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Post by davidprincess on Mar 26, 2009 14:16:58 GMT -5
yeah, this song was like it never existed, but it didn't have a good promotion either.. while Light on was promoted like crazy, it was promoted on SNL when Palin and Mccain were there, it was promoted on the AMas, Disney, ABC, Ellen, JL, Kimmel, American idol, NFL commercials, and other popular tv shows..Cook label and AI spent a lot of money on light on, to become" light on"in a hit!!! while ALTNOY only was promoted on a cable tv show " Carly" but sadly it was promoted when the song was peaking on itunes... :'( i think jive shouldn't have released the video so early and they failed with a good promotion, no adds on itunes, also they shouldn't delay the adds, and shouldn't wait for Crush to peak to release ALYNOY, they should release AlTNOY on itunes when crush was hot on radio stations and itunes, but when Jive realized that they needed to promote ALTNOY more, it was too late, but anyway i'm glad that they tried to save this song..What it means that they care about David and they support him too !!! ;)
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Post by street on Mar 26, 2009 14:20:07 GMT -5
This hung around for a long time so I wouldn't call if a mega flop. Plus the promo was just meh with Archie never performing it on TV (except for Carly) so I don't think this failure did much damage. His good tour buzz is helping.
Now if it got the same level of promo that LO got and performed like this then I'd call is a MASSIVE flop.
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Post by Vic on Mar 26, 2009 14:49:16 GMT -5
You need to let "Light On" David Cook go. Cook won Idol so he will and deservedly so get more promotion. I personally thought LO was light years stronger than this. I called this a flop before it charted. TMH was a better song. Hopefully Archie's momentum hasn't died with ALTNOY.
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Post by street on Mar 26, 2009 14:55:51 GMT -5
I think the 2nd single never gets the same level of promo as the first. And Top 40 radio is getting more urban every day. This song was always too Disney.
I also think Cook's 2nd single CBTM will do nothing on CHR but great on HAC. Top 40 is getting more urban.
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Post by Rodze on Mar 26, 2009 14:56:44 GMT -5
Can I spam until the next page so this thread gets closed?
Since the song is dead, a new one won't be opened, which means the end of all the annoyance in the form of posts. I hope.
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Post by Rodze on Mar 26, 2009 15:02:43 GMT -5
However, the thing that I am not comfortable with is the vibe from certain posters. Few posters here claimed to be cheerleaders for this song, however, somehow I get a feeling that they subconsciously or secretly want this song (Archie more accurate) to underperform or only do well to certain degree. They are so ready to call this song big (huge, epic...) flop with the disguise of wishing the song well. I couldn't put my fingers on how I get the feeling but I just get the vibe. Call me sensitive or whatever, that's how I feel and where I am not comfortable and get defensive some time. If you want a place where everyone is cheering for David and his career, there are a myriad of fansites in the interwebs that will appease you.
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Post by LittleMissMoonshine on Mar 26, 2009 15:02:52 GMT -5
Um, LO was a lead single and got that promo because it was also supposed to promote the album. ALTNOY is a follow up single, not a lead single. It's like comparing it to the promo Crush got - not the same thing and not supposed to be. Follow up singles usually rely a lot more on buzz created by the 1st single's success than on TV promo. That's why it's surprising that ALTNOY wasn't embraced by the big markets after Crush was such a hit. I also think Cook's 2nd single CBTM will do nothing on CHR but great on HAC. Top 40 is getting more urban. I don't know about "nothing" but I agree it will fit better on HAC than on CHR right now, as does ALTNOY. I still don't get why the HAC add date was removed.
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Post by frank on Mar 26, 2009 15:05:55 GMT -5
I wouldn't call "Crush" that big of a hit. It did decently on radio and only got to #2 on the BBHot100 because of strong first week sales from his fanbase.
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Post by Rodze on Mar 26, 2009 15:26:42 GMT -5
This hung around for a long time so I wouldn't call if a mega flop. Plus the promo was just meh with Archie never performing it on TV (except for Carly) so I don't think this failure did much damage. His good tour buzz is helping. It didn't do any damage at all. Sale at the start of the year: 8,300. Sales now: 4,000.
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Post by Ying&Yang on Mar 26, 2009 15:27:44 GMT -5
However, the thing that I am not comfortable with is the vibe from certain posters. Few posters here claimed to be cheerleaders for this song, however, somehow I get a feeling that they subconsciously or secretly want this song (Archie more accurate) to underperform or only do well to certain degree. They are so ready to call this song big (huge, epic...) flop with the disguise of wishing the song well. I couldn't put my fingers on how I get the feeling but I just get the vibe. Call me sensitive or whatever, that's how I feel and where I am not comfortable and get defensive some time. If you want a place where everyone is cheering for David and his career, there are a myriad of fansites in the interwebs that will appease you. I am ok with no-fans, however, I am not ok with pretending. That's the issue I have.
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Post by Rodze on Mar 26, 2009 15:31:26 GMT -5
I don't know about "nothing" but I agree it will fit better on HAC than on CHR right now, as does ALTNOY. I still don't get why the HAC add date was removed. It was removed because Jive new this was a flop two months ago, but someone was reading fansites way too much. (And I can backup that evidence if you want. I have the memo.) And if it were a better fit for HAC, it would have done something there.
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Post by Rodze on Mar 26, 2009 15:32:27 GMT -5
If you want a place where everyone is cheering for David and his career, there are a myriad of fansites in the interwebs that will appease you. I am ok with no-fans, however, I am not ok with pretending. That's the issue I have. This is a place where people "pretend" among other "mundane" things. We deal with it.
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Post by Ying&Yang on Mar 26, 2009 15:54:31 GMT -5
I am ok with no-fans, however, I am not ok with pretending. That's the issue I have. This is a place where people "pretend" among other "mundane" things. We deal with it. Of course, I deal with it. However, it doesn't mean I couldn't rant about it. As much as they could pretend, I could rant as long as I follow the rules here. Everyone needs to deal with others. I am aware that I am part of that.
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Post by Rodze on Mar 26, 2009 15:56:31 GMT -5
Of course, I deal with it. However, it doesn't mean I couldn't rant about it. As much as they could pretend, I could rant as long as I follow the rules here. Everyone needs to deal with others. I am aware that I am part of that. I agree: everyone can rant about annoying posters.
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Post by Ying&Yang on Mar 26, 2009 16:07:08 GMT -5
Of course, I deal with it. However, it doesn't mean I couldn't rant about it. As much as they could pretend, I could rant as long as I follow the rules here. Everyone needs to deal with others. I am aware that I am part of that. I agree: everyone can rant about annoying posters. I am glad that we reach some ground here. See, I am spamming this thread so that it could be closed soon. If not, I am adding more non-sense and posts to the thread.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Mar 26, 2009 16:08:47 GMT -5
More songs act like this song than act like the hits.
ALTNOY is a great song--so are the several other singles from artists (that are still around) that did nothing. It's not unusual; but it is sad. So much of what is getting played is pure crap.
Oh well. David's got plenty of time.
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Post by Ying&Yang on Mar 26, 2009 16:34:07 GMT -5
Um, LO was a lead single and got that promo because it was also supposed to promote the album. ALTNOY is a follow up single, not a lead single. It's like comparing it to the promo Crush got - not the same thing and not supposed to be. Follow up singles usually rely a lot more on buzz created by the 1st single's success than on TV promo. That's why it's surprising that ALTNOY wasn't embraced by the big markets after Crush was such a hit. LO is the 2nd single and TOML is the 1st single. Cook got huge promotions for 2 singles. I am not complaining that as he won AI. (I wish Jive would have given Archie huge promotion to 2nd single too.) I just want to clarify the fact. TOML is part of his album (I am sure that you know the Wal-mart copy that highlights TOML.) and may sell more album than LO did. Hmmm... Why did I discuss LO in ALTNOY thread? Guess I am in spamming mood today. :o
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Post by LittleMissMoonshine on Mar 26, 2009 16:47:37 GMT -5
Um, LO was a lead single and got that promo because it was also supposed to promote the album. ALTNOY is a follow up single, not a lead single. It's like comparing it to the promo Crush got - not the same thing and not supposed to be. Follow up singles usually rely a lot more on buzz created by the 1st single's success than on TV promo. That's why it's surprising that ALTNOY wasn't embraced by the big markets after Crush was such a hit. LO is the 2nd single and TOML is the 1st single. Cook got huge promotions for 2 singles. I am not complaining that as he won AI. (I wish Jive would have given Archie huge promotion to 2nd single too.) I just want to clarify the fact. TOML is part of his album (I am sure that you know the Wal-mart copy that highlights TOML.) and may sell more album than LO did. Hmmm... Why did I discuss LO in ALTNOY thread? Guess I am in spamming mood today. :o I never said LO was the 1st single, I said it was the leading single for the album, and I meant it was the single that was out and used to promote the album while it was released. Those are usually the singles that get the best promo, whether they're 1st, 2nd, whatever, because the ultimate goal is to move albums. TOML was the coronation song and came out 6 months before the album did. TOML might have been a very successful coronation song, but that's still all it was. It's a little funny to use a coronation song to claim that LO and ALTNOY were both comparable as "2nd singles". BTW - I don't know why you'd want to, anyway, I think many Archie fans really enjoyed comparing LO to Crush to make LO look bad. Comparing LO to ALTNOY accomplishes the opposite, pretty much. And yeah, talking about Cook in the Archie thread... some things never change.
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Post by queencello on Mar 26, 2009 16:55:31 GMT -5
Crush was a hit, but apparently didn't do much for DA beyond its initial impact in radio airplay and singles sales. ALTNOY is a flop. No question about it. It will be interesting to see if he can do any better with another single given how poorly this did on radio. And while LO was a moderate hit, it's not the type of hit DC needs if he is going to be a breakout star from Idol, which I think is what a lot of people (and 19E) expected to happen. The truth is that neither of them is a breakout star at this point. They certainly aren't a Kelly, Carrie, or Daughtry. Maybe one or both still can be, but they aren't at this point.
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Post by Gravity. on Mar 26, 2009 16:56:10 GMT -5
As much as I want the third single to be big, I hope that it's not TMH. TMH is the one song from the album that I just couldn't stand. It is one of the more radio friendly things, and if it works, it works.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Mar 26, 2009 17:56:20 GMT -5
Of course, I deal with it. However, it doesn't mean I couldn't rant about it. As much as they could pretend, I could rant as long as I follow the rules here. Everyone needs to deal with others. I am aware that I am part of that. I agree: everyone can rant about annoying posters. If it works for me, then it works for me. If it work for me, then it works for me.When in doubt, just post these lyrics. :)
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Mar 26, 2009 17:59:06 GMT -5
i agree with street, this song is not that mega flop either, at least with the radio stations that played it was a moderate hit,even z100 added it and it was #1 , this song hung around the top 50 for 3 months and it peaked at #42, it could go further but simply most radio stations didn't want to add it..On the positive, David is still popular, His solo tour was sold out!! David is on MSN Homepage! and he is one of the most searched on MSN.. :) that means that people is still interested in him.. :) wonderwall.msn.com/music/Star-Searches-1219.gallery/?gt1=28127Sorry to break it to you sweetie, but nobody uses that seach engine. It probably took like 5 people to get him to number one. :( I just know several Cook fans are watching with glee as ALTNOY sinks further into Flopsville, just as Archie's fans giggled as LO slipped to the very bottom of the itunes chart in just it's 3rd week of release. The battle rages on.
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Post by musicluver on Mar 26, 2009 19:23:04 GMT -5
I don't care that ALTNOY flopped on the radio but I feel so sad that the beautiful MV never appeared on VH1, MTV, nada. Like I said, it's as if the song never existed to the public.
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Post by seattle_d on Mar 26, 2009 19:35:13 GMT -5
The video. Such a good one. I was gonna say how sad that it was forgotten, but that would require that people actually knew it ever existed. What a pity.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2009 19:37:39 GMT -5
i agree with street, this song is not that mega flop either, at least with the radio stations that played it was a moderate hit,even z100 added it and it was #1 , this song hung around the top 50 for 3 months and it peaked at #42, it could go further but simply most radio stations didn't want to add it..On the positive, David is still popular, His solo tour was sold out!! David is on MSN Homepage! and he is one of the most searched on MSN.. :) that means that people is still interested in him.. :) wonderwall.msn.com/music/Star-Searches-1219.gallery/?gt1=28127Your optimism is sweet! If I didn't know better I would think you were David's dad or something(Well maybe not his dad, since you don't seem like a douche). But this song was a flop! But David A still has a great future, and hopefully TMH will be a smash! :)
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Post by Choco on Mar 26, 2009 20:05:04 GMT -5
This song didn't had a good promotion. It wasn't really a cool song for radio neither, in my opinion. Good luck with next single, but he needs some promotion. He's not Britney or Beyoncé, so he really needs some promotion to get some hits, not a video that was released early to iTunes and some performances in two random shows.
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Post by LeTheSunShine on Mar 26, 2009 20:13:49 GMT -5
I don't care that ALTNOY flopped on the radio but I feel so sad that the beautiful MV never appeared on VH1, MTV, nada. Like I said, it's as if the song never existed to the public. The song did exist in public. It was on MTV hits.. It just wasn't on David's Hitlist, It was also on the main MTV hit list. It was also on VH1.. Public is not only TV, its also radio, internet, etc..The song was in public. This song was not to the majority of the publics liking. That's all it was.
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Post by Ying&Yang on Mar 26, 2009 21:29:13 GMT -5
I agree: everyone can rant about annoying posters. If it works for me, then it works for me. If it work for me, then it works for me.When in doubt, just post these lyrics. :) ;) ;) Your post made me laugh. Today, I am liking you, seriously. I just know several Cook fans are watching with glee as ALTNOY sinks further into Flopsville, just as Archie's fans giggled as LO slipped to the very bottom of the itunes chart in just it's 3rd week of release. The battle rages on. Now, I start to love you.
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Post by Ying&Yang on Mar 26, 2009 21:48:37 GMT -5
LO is the 2nd single and TOML is the 1st single. Cook got huge promotions for 2 singles. I am not complaining that as he won AI. (I wish Jive would have given Archie huge promotion to 2nd single too.) I just want to clarify the fact. TOML is part of his album (I am sure that you know the Wal-mart copy that highlights TOML.) and may sell more album than LO did. Hmmm... Why did I discuss LO in ALTNOY thread? Guess I am in spamming mood today. :o I never said LO was the 1st single, I said it was the leading single for the album, and I meant it was the single that was out and used to promote the album while it was released. Those are usually the singles that get the best promo, whether they're 1st, 2nd, whatever, because the ultimate goal is to move albums. TOML was the coronation song and came out 6 months before the album did. TOML might have been a very successful coronation song, but that's still all it was. It's a little funny to use a coronation song to claim that LO and ALTNOY were both comparable as "2nd singles". BTW - I don't know why you'd want to, anyway, I think many Archie fans really enjoyed comparing LO to Crush to make LO look bad. Comparing LO to ALTNOY accomplishes the opposite, pretty much. And yeah, talking about Cook in the Archie thread... some things never change. When LO's promotion were mentioned today by Archies or posters here, it's used as bench mark for the promotion level. No one mentioned that LO shouldn't get the promotion, but you jumped in to explain why LO deserved all the promotion. You just couldn't let LO go in this threat. I think that my reply was non-sense and shouldn't be posted at all. However, I just couldn't help but pointing out few facts. My bad. But I have no intention to inject any comparison. If you feel that way, I am sorry for that.
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Post by musicluver on Mar 26, 2009 22:28:12 GMT -5
^^ I agree. Even for CBTM (Cook's 2nd single), the song and video will both be premiered on AI with a 28M audience. It prob will get 1+ ads on itunes like it did for the album. I think it's stupid to deny that Cook doesn't have the upper hand in promotions. It's because he's the winner like everyone said. I just don't think it's fair to compare ALTNOY with Cook's songs b/c the promotion level is totally different.
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