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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 27, 2009 10:04:54 GMT -5
1. I KNOW WHERE ZAC BROWN'S TOES AND ASS ARE-AT #1: The Zac Brown Band collects their second #1 hit with Toes. This comes eleven months after their first, Chicken Fried. In the interim, they collected their first #2 hit, Whatever It Is. They are the first group to hit the top two three times with their first three singles. Alabama collected three chart toppers with their first three singles (Tennessee River-1980, Why Lady Why-1980, and Old Flame-1981) after signing with RCA Records. However, they had already charted three times prior to that (I Want To Be With You Tonight-1977-#78, I Wanna Come Over-1979-#33, and My Home's In Alabama-1980-#17) on the MDJ label. 2. DUO TIME: We have come to the last category to reveal who had the most top tens and #1s this decade: duos. In fact, they are repeating from the 1990s. They are Brooks & Dunn. During the 1990s they had 25 top ten hits and 14 #1 hits. This decade they have 16 top ten hits and six #1 hits. Their hit list this decade: 1. You'll Always Be Loved By Me-2000-#5 2. Ain't Nothing 'Bout You-2001-#1-chart wise, their biggest hit 3. Only In America-2001-#1 4. The Long Goodbye-2002-#1 5. My Heart Is Lost To You-2002-#5 6. Red Dirt Road-2003-#1 7. You Can't Take The Honky Tonk Out Of The Girl-2004-#4 8. That's What She Gets For Loving Me-2004-#6 9. That's What It's All About-2004-#2 10. It's Getting Better All The Time-2005-#1 11. Play Something Country-2005-#1 12. Believe-2006-#8 13. Building Bridges-with Sheryl Crow and Vince Gill-2006-#4 14. Proud Of The House We Built-2007-#4 15. Put A Girl In It-2008-#3 16. Cowgirls Don't Cry-with Reba McEntire-2009-#2 If Honky Tonk Stomp with Billy Gibbons hits the top ten in November or December, they will simply extend their lead. 3. A KRACKER SMILE: Uncle Kracker makes his solo debut with Smile at #57. We are heading toward the sixth anniversary of his duet with Kenny Chesney on When The Sun Goes Down being a #1 country hit. If it goes to #1, it will be the first time in ten years a song called Smile hit the top. Lonestar did it in 2000. 4. EXTREMES: The youngest song in the top ten is Carrie Underwood's Cowboy Casanova (#5 this week after eight weeks). However, the oldest song NOT to make the top ten is Red Light by David Nail (#15 this week after 35 weeks). It has peaked at #13 so far. 5. A 60S LOOK: These were the top hits during the last week of October during the 1960s: 1960: Alabam-Cowboy Copas-Starday 1961: Walk On By-Leroy Van Dyke-Mercury 1962: Mama Sang A Song-Bill Anderson-Decca 1963: Love's Gonna Live Here-Buck Owens-Capitol 1964: I Don't Care Just As Long As You Love Me-Buck Owens-Capitol 1965: Hello Vietnam-Johnny Wright-Decca 1966: Open Up Your Heart-Buck Owens-Capitol 1967: I Don't Wanna Play House-Tammy Wynette-Epic 1968: Next In Line-Conway Twitty-Decca-the first of 40 #1s! 1969: The Ways To Love A Man-Tammy Wynette-Epic 6. MILESTONE TOP TEN CHART: Chart wise, the most successful duet in country music is Slipping Around by Margaret Whiting and Jimmy Wakely. It spent 17 weeks at #1 out of a total of 28 weeks in the top 40 in 1949. However, for sheer star power and crossover appeal, the honor belongs to Islands In The Stream by Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton, the #1 song 26 years ago this week. In comparison, it spent two weeks at #1 and 15 weeks in the top 40. It was the first single release on the RCA label for Rogers after a very successful eight years (1975-1983) on the United Artists/Liberty label. It was the second triple #1 (on country, pop, and adult contemporary charts) for both artists. Lady by Rogers did the trick in 1980 while 9 To 5 by Parton did the same in 1981. It was the second song written by the Bee Gees to hit #1. Conway Twitty was the first artist to take a song by the Gibb brothers to #1 in 1981 with Rest Your Love On Me. It was the ONLY platinum selling single of 1983. For both artists, it was their fourth major (top 20) hit that year. For Rogers: 1. We've Got Tonight-with Sheena Easton-#1 2. All My Life-#13 3. Scarlet Fever-#5 4. Islands In The Stream-with Parton-#1 For Parton: 1. Hard Candy Christmas-#8 2. Everything's Beautiful In It's Own Way-with Willie Nelson-#7 3. Potential New Boyfriend-#20 4. Islands In The Stream-with Rogers-#1 Their next duet, Real Love hit #1 country, #13 A.C., and #91 pop in 1985. I find it ironic that BOTH artists released box sets this week containing Islands In The Stream. It remains the last song to top ALL three charts. However, four songs came close to replicating the feat: 1. You're Still The One-Shania Twain-1998-#1C, #1A.C., and #2P 2. Amazed-Lonestar-1999-#1C, #2A.C., and #1P 3. Breathe-Faith Hill-1999-#1C, #1A.C., and #2P 4. You Belong With Me-Taylor Swift-2009-#1C, #1A.C., and #2P Here is what the chart looked like back then:
BILLBOARD TOP TEN FOR WEEK ENDING OCTOBER 29, 1983: 1. ISLANDS IN THE STREAM-KENNY ROGERS AND DOLLY PARTON-RCA 2. You've Got A Lover-Ricky Skaggs-Epic 3. Somebody's Gonna Love You-Lee Greenwood-MCA 4. The Wind Beneath My Wings-Gary Morris-Warner Bros. 5. Midnight Fire-Steve Wariner-RCA 6. Lady Down On Love-Alabama-RCA 7. One Of A Kind Pair Of Fools-Barbara Mandrell-MCA 8. Nobody But You-Don Williams-MCA 9. Guilty-the Statler Bros.-Mercury 10. You Put The Beat In My Heart-Eddie Rabbitt-Warner Bros.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Oct 27, 2009 10:30:59 GMT -5
"Cowboy Casanova" made #5 last week on Billboard. That would be the week ending 10/18, the 10/31 BB chart. So, #5 in 7 weeks.
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 27, 2009 10:56:15 GMT -5
I am talking about the chart for week ending November 7, 2009.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Oct 27, 2009 11:17:55 GMT -5
I know, that's why I'm making the clarification. The way you wrote about Cowboy Casanova ("#5 this week after eight weeks") made it seem like it had just entered the top 5, when it already entered last week. Anyway, with repeated readings of that sentence, that might not have been what you meant. Force of habit... and honestly, I was thrown off by that item anyway. But hey, it's your list :)
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 27, 2009 12:03:12 GMT -5
No, I can understand where the confusion may come into play. However, if you read the first item about Zac Brown, you would realize that it would be the NEXT #1 hit in country music. This week's #1 belongs to Keith Urban and Only You Can Love Me This Way. If you were to read Billboard's Chart Beat (this Wednesday and Thursday), they would be talking about the charts for week ending 11-07-09. I hope this was helpful!
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Post by leilamaurizia on Oct 27, 2009 12:17:38 GMT -5
Oh, trust me, I know how to read Billboard charts :)
I guess I should clarify why I said I was thrown off by that item. Please don't take offense. First, having an item to point out the youngest song in the top 10 and the oldest song not in the top 10. Why? But as I said, it's your list so you're free by all means to make any kind of item you want.
Second, and why I reacted in the first place is... you're talking top 10, yes? It would be more accurate to say "youngest is Cowboy Casanova... '8 weeks on the chart' or '8 weeks old' or any such variation." Using the particular phrase "#5 this week after eight weeks" has a different connotation. It's ambiguous, especially with the context. In my view anyway. At 1:30am.
... And I'm nitpicking and probably irritating other people on the board so I'll stop now. Sorry, guys! It's not an excuse, but my job has deformed me this way for life. Every. Word. Means. Something.
And wow, was I offended at the BB chart dates being explained to me! Does that mean I take pride in my chart geekiness?!
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Post by countryfan2002 on Oct 27, 2009 13:40:21 GMT -5
^My guess: The Detroit station. They play Kid Rock a lot too, including a live version of Picture with… Gretchen Wilson?! Is that the same station that keeps spinning the new pop songs from Owl City, Colbie Caillat, and Miley Cyrus?
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Post by Zazie on Oct 27, 2009 15:00:06 GMT -5
Zac Brown Band is not the first act to have its first 3 singles reach #2. You have to go back a long ways, but Al Dexter and His Troopers hit #1 with their first 5 singles and made top 2 with their first 7.
Took me less than 30 seconds of research to find that one. Y'all need to pick up the pace, CH. You are perhaps correct that in modern times, Zac Brown Band was the first group to manage 3 top 3's.
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Post by joey2002 on Oct 27, 2009 15:29:47 GMT -5
Al Dexter -- born: May 04, 1902, Jacksonville, TX...
Wow, Zazie, how long have you been listening to country music? ;)
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Post by onebuffalo on Oct 28, 2009 9:36:36 GMT -5
To Zazie: I did NOT say the Zac Brown Band was the first act to have its first three singles hit #2. I had said in my opening statement that Toes is their second #1 after Chicken Fried. In the meantime, Whatever It Is was their first #2 hit. As far as Al Dexter is concerned, I did look up his chart performance during the 1940s and find it quite impressive out of his 16 top 40 hits (7 #1s and 3 #2s). It makes you wonder why he did not continue that pace during the 1950s. However, I would NOT necessarily consider him and his Troopers in the group mode like Z.B.B. and Alabama (who I mentioned in yesterday's Country ChartBeat). The same would go to Hank Williams and his Drifting Cowboys and Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys. Sure, they were ALL groups in that sense of the word, but they needed someone to be the 'star' so the rest of them could find someone to get behind. Even if ANY surviving Troopers, Drifting Cowboys, and Texas Playboys were alive today, they would tell you who got the attention in those groups. Same goes for Kenny Rogers (another ChartBeat mention yesterday). As anyone knows he was in the First Edition during the late 60s and early 70s. Once he joined that group, it was known as Kenny Rogers and the First Edition. Even if you were to take a look at my top 111 list of those artists with the most #1 hits, I only mention Dexter, Williams, and Wills by themselves. By the way, Dexter was the FIRST artist with the most #1s between 1944-1948. Then came Eddy Arnold between 1948-1980. Conway Twitty followed between 1980-2006. George Strait has held the record since 2006. I hope this was helpful!
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Post by Jonsolo on Oct 28, 2009 10:33:40 GMT -5
I think Zazie was referring to this sentence in your above Chart Beat item: They are the first group to hit the top two three times with their first three singles. and though he worded his statement like this: Zac Brown Band is not the first act to have its first 3 singles reach #2. he was meaning to say "as high as #2", or in other words, the "top two", like you had worded it, when he brought up Dexter and co. He saw that you were had written the above sentence that ZBB was the first group to hit the top two with their first three singles, and went and found a group that had in fact done so 65 years earlier. He was also going by the official listing in the Whitburn book, when classifying Dexter et.al. as a "group" (I'm guessing that that's what the book says, as I don't have it with me right now). I guess that just goes to show that it's tricky to make an all-encompassing statement that someone was "the first to do something". There's so much history with the country chart, chances are, that it's already been done before sometime in the last 65 years. If you want to use the qualifier "first since the BDS system was enacted in January 1990", that Billboard's Chart Beat typically uses, that's probably a safer option, and can prevent confusions from occurring. (And looking back at his post, he probably meant to say "group" instead of "act". But I'll leave it up to him, if he wants to further clarify.)
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Post by drock89 on Oct 28, 2009 10:53:54 GMT -5
Tim opens with 136,574 ... and the revolving door continues. Will probably have Taylor back at the top next week, which would give us Toby, Taylor, Tim, Taylor ... where are the other letters of the alphabet??!?!
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Post by Zazie on Oct 28, 2009 10:59:00 GMT -5
Thanks, Jonsolo, for trying to clarify my points. You expressed me better than I did myself. Joey, the truth can now be told -- I am (as you no doubt suspected) Al Dexter's brother. Younger brother, though. He was born in 1905, if I recall correctly what Mama said -- I was at least ten years his junior.
More seriously -- sorry, I should have said "reached at least #2" but I did understand the claim you were making for Zac Brown Band. And Al Dexter's group did it first.
I don't know or care if Whitburn classifies Al Dexter and his colleagues as a group. (He does list "Al Dexter" only in the top 300 but that alone doesn't prove anything.) It's too strange for me to contemplate an act NAMED Al Dexter and his Troopers as a solo act, so I will classify them as a group myself. (Kenny Rogers sang with the First Edition from its inception, and only later did they change the name, well after they had taken a song to the top 10) -- and they had some technical business reason for changing the billing, not a need to have an individual fronting them. The Who weren't Pete Townshend and The Who. The Stones weren't Mick Jagger -- well, you get the idea. Not sure why that's relevant here.)
Now if they called the act Al Dexter Without Any Troopers Because They're Out Patrolling, or maybe Al Dexter And His No Troopers, or Al Dexter Wants To Be A Solo Act Without Billing For His Troopers Even Though They're Playing Every Night, then I could see it. If the members of the Troopers kept on changing, I could see it. If they kept filling out the membership with studio musicians, I could see it.
I'm OK with calling Alvin and the Chipmunks a solo act, since (I believe) there was only one person doing the voices. I'm not seeing the Dexter case as parallel. Heck, the last few years Brooks & Dunn are easy to confuse with a solo act (don't throw stuff, Kix fans, just take it easy) but we haven't abandoned the fiction of them being a duo just yet. If they're a duo, then Al Dexter And His Troopers are a group.
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Post by joey2002 on Oct 28, 2009 14:30:16 GMT -5
Wow, so I'm already starting to plan you're big 95th birthday party next year Zazie!
So how did they run the charts back in the 1940's? I'm guessing there was no Pulse Message Board or Real Time Tracker... ; )
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Oct 28, 2009 14:36:50 GMT -5
Heck, the last few years Brooks & Dunn are easy to confuse with a solo act (don't throw stuff, Kix fans, just take it easy) but we haven't abandoned the fiction of them being a duo just yet. You have never failed to say something spit-take-inducingly funny in every single post. Don't ever change, Zazie, and I won't. You're an inspiration to wannabe comedians such as me.
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Post by joey2002 on Oct 28, 2009 16:15:41 GMT -5
Heck, the last few years Brooks & Dunn are easy to confuse with a solo act (don't throw stuff, Kix fans, just take it easy) but we haven't abandoned the fiction of them being a duo just yet. You have never failed to say something spit-take-inducingly funny in every single post. Don't ever change, Zazie, and I won't. You're an inspiration to wannabe comedians such as me. Don't tell anyone, but Zazie is really a famous stand up comic going as a different identity, so nobody knows who he really is...
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Post by S4C on Oct 28, 2009 18:14:40 GMT -5
How the heck did "Smile" debut? Heh, I thought the exact opposite. It's about time it debuted, it's been in the New & Active section forever it seems like.
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Post by Fanofctrymusic on Nov 2, 2009 18:44:51 GMT -5
Country Songs *** No. 1 *** "Toes" Zac Brown Band Greatest Gainer No. 4 "Need You Now" Lady Antebellum Hot Shot Debut No. 52 "Hip To My Heart" The Perry Band Debut No. 56 "Work Hard, Play Harder" Gretchen Wilson Debut No. 58 "Gotta Be Somebody" Bucky Covington Debut No. 59 "Jump Then Fall" Taylor Swift Debut No. 60 "There Is A God" Lee Ann Womack
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 3, 2009 11:21:28 GMT -5
1. A TWO WEEK TOE(S): The Zac Brown Band spends a second week at #1 with Toes. It matches the two week reign they had a year ago with Chicken Fried. 2. REBA'S BACK: Reba McEntire has her 58th top ten hit with Consider Me Gone at #10. It is her first solo top ten hit since 2005 when He Gets That From Me hit #7. Her major (top 20) hits since then: 1. He Gets That From Me-2005-#7 2. My Sister-2005-#16 3. Because Of You-with Kelly Clarkson-2007-#2 4. Every Other Weekend-with Kenny Chesney-2008-#15 5. Cowgirls Don't Cry-with Brooks & Dunn-2009-#2 6. Strange-2009-#11 She has not topped the charts since Somebody in 2004. 3. TOBY'S HALF YEAR REIGN: Toby Keith has been in the top 20 for the past six months with two singles. Lost You Anyway entered the top 20 on the 05-09-09 chart at #17 and peaked at #10. It left the chart at #17 on the 07-25-09 chart. American Ride entered the top 20 at #20 on the 08-01-09 chart and peaked at #1. It finished its chart run last week at #7. Cryin' For Me Wayman's Song is at #33 this week. 4. CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN: By selling 137,000 copies of Southern Voice, Tim McGraw has collected his 12th #1 country CD. The others: 1. Not A Moment Too Soon-1994 2. All I Want-1995 3. Everywhere-1997 4. A Place In The Sun-1999 5. Greatest Hits-2000 6. Set This Circus Down-2001 7. Live Like You Were Dying-2004 8. Reflected: Greatest Hits, Vol. 2-2006 9. Let It Go-2007 10. Greatest Hits: Limited Edition-2008 11. Greatest Hits 3-2008 12. Southern Voice-2009 The title track is at #14 this week. 5. THE LAST RODEO?: That is the name of Brooks & Dunn's last tour next year, but on the charts will Honky Tonk Stomp be the LAST hit of their career? It peaked at #16 two weeks ago. It is at #20 this week. 6. LET'S REVIEW: We have been revealing who had the most top tens and #1 hits this decade. Let us do so in alphabetical order. 1. Brooks & Dunn-duo with the most top tens-16 2. B & D-duo with the most #1s-6 3. Kenny Chesney-male with the most top tens-28 4. Toby Keith-male with the most #1s-16 5. Rascal Flatts-group with the most top tens-22 6. R.F.-group with the most #1s-10 7. Carrie Underwood-female with the most top tens-10 8. C.U.-female with the most #1s-7 7. A 60S LOOK PART II: Since Billboard began publishing a country album chart in January, 1964, I am only able to show you the top selling albums for six years during the first week in November. 1964: The Best Of Jim Reeves-Jim Reeves-RCA 1965: My World-Eddy Arnold-RCA 1966: Another Bridge To Burn-Ray Price-Columbia 1967: Turn The World Around-Eddy Arnold-RCA 1968: Harper Valley P.T.A.-Jeannie C. Riley-Plantation 1969: Johnny Cash At San Quentin-Johnny Cash-Columbia 8. MILESTONE TOP TEN CHART: One of the top hitmakers during the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s was James Loden, better known as Sonny James. His first top ten hit was That's Me Without You (#9 in 1953). His biggest hit came four years later with Young Love, a song that spent nine weeks at #1 on the country charts and even made #2 on the pop charts. It remains his ONLY gold selling single. Even though he hit the top ten five times during the next eight years, he did not collect his second #1 hit until 1965 with You're The Only World I Know. He hit #1 two more times (1965's Behind The Tear and 1966's Take Good Care Of Her). His fifth #1 hit, Need You in 1967 began a string of sixteen consecutive #1 hits (longest for a male artist and second to Alabama's 21 in a row between 1980-1987). Those hits were: 1. Need You-1967 2. I'll Never Find Another You-1967 3. It's The Little Things-1967 4. A World Of Our Own-1968 5. Heaven Says Hello-1968 6. Born To Be With You-1968 7. Only The Lonely-1969 8. Running Bear-1969 9. Since I Met You, Baby-1969 10. It's Just A Matter Of Time-1970 11. My Love-1970 12. Don't Keep Me Hangin' On-1970 13. Endlessly-1970 14. Empty Arms-1971 15. Bright Lights, Big City-1971 16. Here Comes Honey Again-1971 Title #16 was our #1 single 38 years ago this week and ended one of the most remarkable streaks in country chart history. James' next single, Only Love Can Break A Heart (the Gene Pitney classic) peaked at #2 in 1972. He would have one more chart topping hit with Capitol Records, his long time home in 1972 with That's Why I Love You Like I Do. He would have his last two on Columbia Records (1972's When The Snow Is On The Roses and 1974's Is It Wrong For Loving You). His last top ten hit was You're Free To Go in 1977. His last major (top 20) hit was in 1982 with Innocent Lies (#19). Twenty-four years later he was inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame. His 23 #1s (ALL mentioned here) ranks at #10 on the all time list of those artists with the most #1 hits. Here is what the chart looked like back then:
BILLBOARD TOP TEN FOR WEEK ENDING NOVEMBER 6, 1971: 1. HERE COMES HONEY AGAIN-SONNY JAMES-CAPITOL 2. Lead Me On-Loretta Lynn and Conway Twitty-Decca 3. Daddy Frank The Guitar Man-Merle Haggard-Capitol 4. Rollin' In My Sweet Baby's Arms-Buck Owens-Capitol 5. Another Night Of Love-Freddy Weller-Columbia 6. How Can I Unlove You-Lynn Anderson-Columbia 7. Rings-Tompall and the Glaser Bros.-MGM 8. Never Ending Song Of Love-Dickey Lee-RCA 9. She's All I Got-Johnny Paycheck-Epic 10. Easy Loving-Freddie Hart-Capitol
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Post by dcowboy77 on Nov 4, 2009 14:53:23 GMT -5
So now who has the longest #1 streak on the billboard country songs chart ?
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Post by drock89 on Nov 4, 2009 15:29:43 GMT -5
Ok this Billboard year is almost over. I filled out the albums (just need the sales) but not the singles, though I could guess it's going to go "Cowboy Casanova" and "Need You Now." I'm just not ready to jump the gun there. :)
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Post by someguy on Nov 4, 2009 15:32:24 GMT -5
So now who has the longest #1 streak on the billboard country songs chart ? Kenny Chesney is currently at 4 in a row, though that will probably end as "I'm Alive" doesn't look like a #1. I think he is the current leader, unless somebody can think of an artist with a longer current streak.
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Post by kw9461 on Nov 4, 2009 16:10:08 GMT -5
So now who has the longest #1 streak on the billboard country songs chart ? Kenny Chesney is currently at 4 in a row, though that will probably end as "I'm Alive" doesn't look like a #1. I think he is the current leader, unless somebody can think of an artist with a longer current streak. I'm pretty sure that's the longest steak at the moment. If I'm Alive doesn't make it, then Darius Rucker would take over with his 3 in a row. Jason Aldean and Dierks Bentley are the only others that I can find with a steak at all, with 2 in a row.
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Post by joey2002 on Nov 4, 2009 16:41:38 GMT -5
Kenny Chesney is currently at 4 in a row, though that will probably end as "I'm Alive" doesn't look like a #1. I think he is the current leader, unless somebody can think of an artist with a longer current streak. I'm pretty sure that's the longest steak at the moment. If I'm Alive doesn't make it, then Darius Rucker would take over with his 3 in a row. Jason Aldean and Dierks Bentley are the only others that I can find with a steak at all, with 2 in a row. I think this is partly the result of so many recent songs from core artists which have hit #1 on Mediabase, but not on Billboard...
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Post by Jonsolo on Nov 4, 2009 17:02:23 GMT -5
I'm expecting whichever song (Carrie or Lady Ant's) that gets #1 on next week's chart, the 11/21 Billboard week, to go ahead and hold on for the week after. And that will be, going by the "chart year", the 31st #1 song of the year (which is what is listed on the first post of this thread). Pretty good haul, and the first time we've been over 30 #1s in a year this decade. And if you go by the "calendar year", and assume that Carrie and Lady Ant will combine for about five weeks at the top (that's what I'm expecting), to cover the 11/21 to 12/19 charts, and one other song (Reba?) to claim the 12/26 week, that would also be 31 songs in that method of time measurement. Well over half of the songs in the year end top 50 specials, will be made up of charttoppers.
Of course, if Aldean hadn't wasted a couple more weeks than he should have in September, we'd have reached 32 or even 33 #1 songs.
And using the "Chart year" standard, Carrie would be the 21st different artist to reach the top this year (Lady Ant jumping up and claiming 11/21 and 11/28, would still leave us with 20 artists).
For the "Calendar year", Carrie would be the 20th different #1 artist (we lose Mont Gentry from the roster), and a late year push by Reba could get us back up to 21 #1 artists. I think we used to usually have about 14 to 17 artists reach the top in a year. Come one, come all, this year, it seems.
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Post by Zazie on Nov 5, 2009 20:55:40 GMT -5
So now who has the longest #1 streak on the billboard country songs chart ? Kenny Chesney is currently at 4 in a row, though that will probably end as "I'm Alive" doesn't look like a #1. I think he is the current leader, unless somebody can think of an artist with a longer current streak. Depends how seriously you take Joel Whitburn's idea that you don't count duets when you count streaks. Kenny's two recent non-#1 songs have been duets (Dave Mathews so far, and unlikely to make it to the top; also Strait). Not endorsing the Whitburn "rule." But that's one way to go about counting songs.
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Post by someguy on Nov 5, 2009 22:22:39 GMT -5
Kenny Chesney is currently at 4 in a row, though that will probably end as "I'm Alive" doesn't look like a #1. I think he is the current leader, unless somebody can think of an artist with a longer current streak. Depends how seriously you take Joel Whitburn's idea that you don't count duets when you count streaks. Kenny's two recent non-#1 songs have been duets (Dave Mathews so far, and unlikely to make it to the top; also Strait). Not endorsing the Whitburn "rule." But that's one way to go about counting songs. Good point. I tend to consider whether or not an artist is given lead billing on a single. So, "Practice Life" not being a bit hit wouldn't negatively impact any streaks that Martina McBride had at the time, but since "I'm Alive" is Kenny's current single (as was "Shiftwork"), then I would count it. I'm definitely not saying my way of thinking is the right way, but that's how I tend to consider the matter.
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Post by onebuffalo on Nov 7, 2009 11:21:53 GMT -5
Why NOT count duets as part of ANY streak? With Brad Paisley's #1s streak coming to an end, Kenny Chesney WILL have the current chart topping streak at four in a row. Those songs are: 1. Better As A Memory-2008 2. Everybody Wants To Go To Heaven-with the Wailers-2008 3. Down The Road-with Mac McAnally-2009 4. Out Last Night-2009 Had Shiftwork (with George Strait) made #1 (a #2 hit), Chesney would have eight in a row. The previous three chart toppers were: 1. Beer In Mexico-2007 2. Never Wanted Nothing More-2007 3. Don't Blink-2007 The #2 placing of Shiftwork would NOT have affected Strait's standing as it was a Chesney release from a Chesney CD. As is, it would have given Strait two #1s in a row with I Saw God Today being the other hit. As far as Practice Life is concerned, the 2002 duet between Andy Griggs and Martina McBride, it would have affected Griggs ONLY as it came from his Freedom CD. It did not affect McBride as I would consider her having a hot streak of six consecutive top ten hits. They were: 1. When God-Fearin' Women Get The Blues-2001-#8 2. Blessed-2002-#1 and her last chart topper! 3. Where Would You Be-2002-#3 4. Concrete Angel-2003-#5 5. This One's For The Girls-2003-#3 6. In My Daughter's Eyes-2004-#4 I recently saluted Islands In The Stream in one of my Country ChartBeats. I would consider that a Kenny Rogers release as it came from his Eyes That See In The Dark CD. His next duet with Dolly Parton, Real Love would be a Parton release as it was the title track of HER CD! I hope this was helpful!
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Post by Zazie on Nov 8, 2009 0:02:39 GMT -5
^ You ask why not count duets as a part of any streak. I do think there's an answer to that. It's the same reason you wouldn't count album tracks that appear for a week, or holiday songs, as breaking a streak -- it has to do with promotion.
First of all, the secondary artist -- the one who is appearing as a guest, the one whose album the song is NOT on -- that artist shouldn't be penalized because someone else's label doesn't do a good promotion job. I think you agree on that one.
Second, the primary artist. This one's more difficult. But let's look at Start A Band. Two pretty strong artists collaborated on that one, and it did go to #1. But let's say that Urban's label released Sweet Thing even earlier than they did, and they promoted it heavily (they would do that, since it was the lead single) -- and let's say that Start A Band missed #1. Why should that ruin Brad's streak, when a big factor in its missing #1 was the extra promotion of Brad's duet partner's new single, which Brad and his label had no control over?
OK, it didn't happen. But it could have. I'm not sure that Whitburn's "rule" is a good one, but I do understand the argument for it. I'm inclined to think he's right the more I think about it.
And what about Chesney's current song with Dave Mathews? Should that break his current streak? It's not as if Dave Mathews' label is going to release another country single that undermines I'm Alive. But on the other hand Chesney's releasing an abnormal and risky single by collaborating with a non-country artist, so maybe this one also shouldn't break a streak.
Do you think that there's something wrong with my Start A Band hypothetical? Do you think there's something else wrong with Whitburn's approach? I think that explaining your reasoning would be more helpful, rather than just saying what you think the right approach should be.
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Post by WamuFive on Nov 8, 2009 0:20:08 GMT -5
The issue of "duets" and breaking streaks is an intriguing one. Can I ask two fairly dumb questions? If a collaboration goes to #1, does that song count towards an artist's #1 streak? I feel like I should know this. It would seem that if they don't count against an artist's streak, they also shouldn't count towards an artist's streak.
I think I agree with the collaboration policy. Some duets are true 50/50 duets whereas some "duets" are really just one artist singing with another artist doing background vocals. I don't think an artist's #1 streak should break because of a song they are lending background vocals to fails to reach the top. Because the continuum of vocal participation in a collaboration is so varied, it would be difficult to draw the line anywhere except the place that it is currently drawn--all collaborations should be treated equally.
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