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Post by tamed09 on Apr 10, 2009 18:21:55 GMT -5
but Flo-rida managed to do it with an AWFUL female vocalist and auto-tune that makes her highest note make my eyes squint and close hoping my ears will follow suit. Wynter is dumbing down her voice. She can really sing, but Atlantic has named her their "Pop Princess" so that's why she's doing it. After this does what it does, they're coming out with her 1st single.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 10, 2009 20:52:50 GMT -5
If we're being technical, Kanye West did. So has Cascada, really. Kanye only did it with "Stronger." His past two singles "Love Lockdown" and "Heartless" have not. The difference is that Flo Rida has heavily sampled 2 hits in a row, and he can't rap either. I hate how all his songs are engineered to become hits. They have no substance at all. His last two eras doesn't matter. When Kanye first came out, he used a Luther Vandross, a Chaka Khan, and a Lauryn Hill sample in his first three samples, all strong presences throughout, and the first two off of CD were based off of Shirley Bassey and Ray Charles songs. Flo Rida is doing the same thing, really, with 'Sugar', only in Pop form. This is a pop 'Stronger'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 9:06:56 GMT -5
What's the problem in any case? Most of Kanye's singles have been samples, I remember people giving him crap too. If the song is good, what's the big deal. Of course they're engineering hits, why wouldnt they?
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 11, 2009 9:12:48 GMT -5
What's the problem in any case? Most of Kanye's singles have been samples, I remember people giving him crap too. If the song is good, what's the big deal. Of course they're engineering hits, why wouldnt they? I don't think there's a big deal at all. We have the same thoughts on the matter. :)
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Post by jink on Apr 11, 2009 9:15:14 GMT -5
"This candy got you sprung"?
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Post by Physical on Apr 11, 2009 15:21:51 GMT -5
Kanye only did it with "Stronger." His past two singles "Love Lockdown" and "Heartless" have not. The difference is that Flo Rida has heavily sampled 2 hits in a row, and he can't rap either. I hate how all his songs are engineered to become hits. They have no substance at all. His last two eras doesn't matter. When Kanye first came out, he used a Luther Vandross, a Chaka Khan, and a Lauryn Hill sample in his first three samples, all strong presences throughout, and the first two off of CD were based off of Shirley Bassey and Ray Charles songs. Flo Rida is doing the same thing, really, with 'Sugar', only in Pop form. This is a pop 'Stronger'. Yes, but Kanye has talent while Flo Rida does not. It seems like Flo Rida relies on the samples to carry his songs, because he isn't creative enough to come up with his own melodies and hooks.
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Post by gin on Apr 12, 2009 23:39:59 GMT -5
"This candy got you sprung"? What did you expect from a Flo Rida song?
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Post by rfucom on Apr 12, 2009 23:59:08 GMT -5
and other just join the Flow-riders group.
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Post by gin on Apr 13, 2009 0:00:31 GMT -5
Flo Rida is an appropriate name, he rides the success of the flows others have created.
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Post by fercho on Apr 13, 2009 0:04:33 GMT -5
Kanye only did it with "Stronger." His past two singles "Love Lockdown" and "Heartless" have not. The difference is that Flo Rida has heavily sampled 2 hits in a row, and he can't rap either. I hate how all his songs are engineered to become hits. They have no substance at all. His last two eras doesn't matter. When Kanye first came out, he used a Luther Vandross, a Chaka Khan, and a Lauryn Hill sample in his first three samples, all strong presences throughout, and the first two off of CD were based off of Shirley Bassey and Ray Charles songs. Flo Rida is doing the same thing, really, with 'Sugar', only in Pop form. This is a pop 'Stronger'. You can't be talking seriously. Kanye used samples all the time, but he is talent,he has another way to use the sample. It's not the same. Don't put kanye an flo rida in the same sentence please.
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Post by Tabitha on Apr 13, 2009 0:07:49 GMT -5
His last two eras doesn't matter. When Kanye first came out, he used a Luther Vandross, a Chaka Khan, and a Lauryn Hill sample in his first three samples, all strong presences throughout, and the first two off of CD were based off of Shirley Bassey and Ray Charles songs. Flo Rida is doing the same thing, really, with 'Sugar', only in Pop form. This is a pop 'Stronger'. Don't put kanye an flo rida in the same sentence please. Kanye and flo are rappers that sample. HA
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Post by rfucom on Apr 13, 2009 2:21:35 GMT -5
(Kanye and Flo-rida) or (50 cent and Eminem) which is which :)
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Post by Minor Scratch on Apr 13, 2009 9:48:15 GMT -5
Any rapper could do what Flo Rida is doing here. Its not that hard. Its just a simple choice of image. Rick Ross and Young Jeezy could have done it too, but they built a much different fanbase when they debuted with their first singles. Changing up to Flo's image and music would cause them to sell out (similar to Nelly's career, which eventually flopped). Flo debuted with this Pop thug image, so the act of selling out is non-existant to his career.
Kanye's image is vastly different. Flo's samples are all party tunes, not slow and old R&B tracks that Kanye samples (with the exception of Stronger, but Kanye creatively inserted the virtually unknown Daft Punk sample into a catchy banger). He's not always aiming for the club, he's taking tracks he grew up listening to and adjusting it to this generation's ears. And the general public does understand this to an extent.
Not only that, Kanye is producing his own s**t. Flo has just been rapping over DJ Montay and Dr. Luke's carefully crafted Pop melodies that have random samples or interpolations from old club hits.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 13, 2009 9:55:28 GMT -5
Sorry everybody. I just think Flo Rida is getting a bad wrap here. He's proved he can have a hit without a sample.
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Post by fercho on Apr 13, 2009 12:08:47 GMT -5
Florida's better songs are the ones who doesn't use a sample.
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Post by gin on Apr 13, 2009 12:11:13 GMT -5
Florida's better songs are the ones who doesn't use a sample. Those being the ones that instead use a popular artist or producer.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Apr 13, 2009 12:53:42 GMT -5
Florida's better songs are the ones who doesn't use a sample. Those being the ones that instead use a popular artist or producer. Oh, come on! If that's the case, then Lady GaGa used Akon and RedOne to get hits, and the only reasons GGGB was successful was because of Jay-Z and Ne-Yo. Give me a damn break. Every mainstream act is "guilty" of using guest artists and popular producers. It's not a crime. I can't name 10 pop artists who haven't. I can't believe I'm defending FLO RIDA of all people, but the hypocrisy in this discussion is so ridiculous.
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Post by atlantaboy on Apr 13, 2009 13:31:07 GMT -5
Those being the ones that instead use a popular artist or producer. Oh, come on! If that's the case, then Lady GaGa used Akon and RedOne to get hits, and the only reasons GGGB was successful was because of Jay-Z and Ne-Yo. Give me a damn break. Sorry gotta disagree though cause Lady GaGa created her own hooks (as did most rappers since the late 90s) while Flo Rida is startin a pattern of usin other people's hooks to rack up hits (just don't see the value in it I guess...kinda like Cupid's Chokehold except it doesn't even really change the genre of the songs it's samplin) Will Smith, Puff Daddy, and 2PAC all used other people's hooks, but they only did it on one big hit, and def. not back-to-back singles from the same CD...plus all three completely added new meaning to the lyrics of the sampled song
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Post by gin on Apr 13, 2009 14:45:51 GMT -5
Those being the ones that instead use a popular artist or producer. Oh, come on! If that's the case, then Lady GaGa used Akon and RedOne to get hits, and the only reasons GGGB was successful was because of Jay-Z and Ne-Yo. Give me a damn break. Every mainstream act is "guilty" of using guest artists and popular producers. It's not a crime. I can't name 10 pop artists who haven't. I can't believe I'm defending FLO RIDA of all people, but the hypocrisy in this discussion is so ridiculous. The difference with Lady Gaga is that her next single, Poker Face, was solo. Flo Rida's singles so far have ALL been collaborations with famous artists or ripoffs of old songs.
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Post by Minor Scratch on Apr 13, 2009 15:10:39 GMT -5
I don't mind his music and I can understand an artist using others for production to gain hits, but I highly doubt that Flo Rida is writing any of his rhymes. Most of his stuff seems ghost written and there are a hundred writers listed in the credits of all his tracks. A lot of rappers have their stuff ghost written anyway. All they have to do is lay the bars down properly on the track and everybody else does the rest.
Lady Gaga has written most of the stuff on her record, as well as many records for other artists.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 14, 2009 11:24:00 GMT -5
What I liked about Puffy's samples is that he would sample like 5 different songs in one song. He used to be really good at that. He'd take guitars of one, the drums of another, the piano of another etc... Flo Rida is not the same case...his producers beat rape the old songs. It's why he's a singles artist and not an albums artist. His record company needs some self awareness. Flo Rida really doesn't generate the big bucks because he sells what 4mm of a single but the record company will only get a fraction of that... then you subtract what they had to spend on promotion and a video.. what are you left with? He has to be two singles into an album practically before they can re-coup their costs even on massive hits... I think they should scrap the albums altogether and just focus on singles for Flo Rida... he's puts me in the mind of Tone Loc... for some reason.
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Post by SuperTrouper on Apr 14, 2009 12:26:31 GMT -5
Yes, but Kanye has talent while Flo Rida does not. It seems like Flo Rida relies on the samples to carry his songs, because he isn't creative enough to come up with his own melodies and hooks. I love "Right Round" and find this one OK, but I agree with this. I think I only like these songs because of the samples and dope production.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Apr 14, 2009 12:30:39 GMT -5
Those being the ones that instead use a popular artist or producer. Oh, come on! If that's the case, then Lady GaGa used Akon and RedOne to get hits, and the only reasons GGGB was successful was because of Jay-Z and Ne-Yo. Give me a damn break. Every mainstream act is "guilty" of using guest artists and popular producers. It's not a crime. I can't name 10 pop artists who haven't. I can't believe I'm defending FLO RIDA of all people, but the hypocrisy in this discussion is so ridiculous. I'm sorry but RedOne was FAR from popular before Just Dance and Lady GaGa came onto the scene.
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Post by Justin. on Apr 16, 2009 1:23:11 GMT -5
Wednesday Update:
29 24 FLO RIDA Sugar 2888 2108 780 19.385
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Post by gin on Apr 18, 2009 16:08:56 GMT -5
Sugar debuted at number 26 this week on Rick Dees. That's the highest debut Rick's had in OVER TWO YEARS. The last time he's had a debut close to that high was 4 Minutes which debuted at 27. Usually, debuts on his chart are 29 or below. I wasn't expecting this at all.
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Post by jamrock16 on Apr 18, 2009 16:48:30 GMT -5
Seems to be slowing down a bit. Only +37 spins today. Should get a nice boost from AT40 though for the next 2 updates.
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Post by TYRONE™ on Apr 18, 2009 17:47:42 GMT -5
Yes! This is my JAM! Im so glad this is doing well.
I hope this gets as much radio airplay as RR.
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Post by rfucom on Apr 23, 2009 0:05:54 GMT -5
i heard this almost 9- 10 times a day on the radio. i love this now.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Apr 23, 2009 10:41:54 GMT -5
Sorry everybody. I just think Flo Rida is getting a bad wrap here. He's proved he can have a hit without a sample. He's still the epic suckage.
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Post by aTunes on Apr 23, 2009 11:00:05 GMT -5
What on earth caused the iTunes spike? ??? It went from like #13 to #3 in 12 hours.
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