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Post by Taste It On My Tongue on Jun 10, 2009 3:43:53 GMT -5
I'd have to agree that "Don't Forget About Us" was a big hit, and it deserved to go to #1 because it went top three on all the big formats and reached an audience of 185 million. However, i'd also have to agree that there is no way "Touch My Body" was a normal #1 nor would it have gotten there had they not done the usual tactics. That song sky rocketed on radio airplay in the first 6 weeks because of hype, then it completely flatlined and collapsed with no longevity at all.
Her memorable #1s:
Vision of Love
Emotions
I'll Be There
Dreamlover
Hero
Fantasy
One Sweet Day
Always Be My Baby
We Belong Together
Don't Forget About Us
Songs that shouldn't have hit #1 and relied on chart tactics:
Someday
Love Takes Time
Honey
My All
Heartbreaker
Thank God I Found You
Touch My Body
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Post by survivorqt on Jun 10, 2009 4:16:24 GMT -5
its been discussed that ABMB would have been stuck at #2 for weeks if not for a tactic
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Post by summers on Jun 10, 2009 5:13:54 GMT -5
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Post by worldwide on Jun 10, 2009 5:18:45 GMT -5
who are you all people to say who and what deserved to be #1?
everyone's being so smart...
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 10, 2009 5:35:12 GMT -5
If a song had the most chart points that week, it "deserved" to be #1. End of.
Thank god some people here aren't running music labels. Y'all would crash and burn faster than Fantasy Ride.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jun 10, 2009 5:50:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I love how people are saying "she's #1 hungry, she'll do anything to get one" when it's the record label's decision to repress them or not.
Also, "chart manipulation" has been going on for years. Payola, repressed downloads, repressed physical singles. This is the industry, people.
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Post by Keelzit on Jun 10, 2009 6:11:02 GMT -5
I can't wait to hear this. I hope it's an upgraded version of Migrate, although from the description Mimi gave and the lyrics posted I expect this to be a heavier Lovin You Long Time.
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Post by Alex on Jun 10, 2009 7:10:25 GMT -5
TMB was #2 in airplay, how DARE you say that song did not deserve to go #1 on Hot 100. Also the song had AMAZING LONGEVITY. It would not die. Everybody wanted to touch Mariah's body.
Also there are PLENTY of songs by other artists that didn't "deserve" to be #1. I guess Carrie Underwood's "Inside Your Heaven" should be #1, right? WRONG! I can't wait till Mimi get her 21 #1 singles to shut all you hate.rs up.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jun 10, 2009 8:16:10 GMT -5
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Post by Bulbasaur on Jun 10, 2009 8:26:23 GMT -5
#1s are #1s.
It doesn't have to be "deserving" or "memorable."
There are a lot of "smart" people here.
All it means is that for a particular week, the #1 song garnered the most points according to Billboard's chart formula.
It's scientific and objective.
Some may call it "tactics", but almost every artist/label are doing it.
So why do so many people single-out Mariah?
Truth is, every artist/label want to have a #1 record.
Sadly, not all of them can.
Deny it, see if I care.
And if it really were tactics, if it were so easy to reach #1, if there is indeed a formula, how come only a handful of artists have achieved it?
There's really no reasonable intent in coming to a Mariah-related thread to downplay her success.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 10, 2009 8:42:23 GMT -5
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jun 10, 2009 8:47:29 GMT -5
sorry, but let's inject some reality checks into a few people -- even the biggest loon Lamb canNOT possibly admit w/ a totally str8t face that songs like TGIFY, TMB, DFAU, Someday etc..were/are these iconic #1 worthy, classic pop songs that you *still* hear on multiple formats on radio LOL. Songs maybe like Hero, Fantasy, VOL, WBT and some others maybe so, but MANY of her #1s were absolute fly by night/ discounted/ fluke #1s. Since when does a song has to be iconic to be #1. You're just trying to discredit Mariah, simple as that. If a song goes to #1 is because the public/fans, whatever, put it there. |
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jun 10, 2009 8:54:52 GMT -5
Both TMB and DFAU would've been #1 without repressed downloads. To say neither of them would is just not smart. In DFAU's case, it had already made it to #2 WITHOUT ANY HELP FROM DOWNLOADS. That was based on airplay alone. If it even had a small amount of downloads, it would've been #1. In fact, by repressing downloads, they may have cost it more weeks at #1. In TMB's case, look at the 2nd week it spent at #1. With as big of an airplay hit as TMB was, it could've easily gotten to #1 without repressing downloads and when it was no longer #1 at downloads, it still managed to pull off a 2nd week at #1. To say they wouldn't have gotten there is just not true. Repressing downloads just eliminates the drama from the equation. DFAU probably would have been #1 however, TMB!!! No way in hell. TMB has only sold 1.2 million digital downloads to date. that is low as hell. Look at the #1s at the time of TMB. Love in this club, bleeding love, lollipop. All had huge sales and eventually airplay. Mimi does not have strong sales period unless repressed. Bleeding love retook the top spot from TMB quick. you know that is sad. Mimi had her 200+ weeks and then dropped off quick. I love moo moo but I am honest. sorry. You're contradicting what you're saying. You're saying Mariah can't sell digitally unless she repress. But yet, you're saying TMB was repressed and barely sold 1.2 million. So if Mariah can't sell digitally when a song is repressed or not than what is the big fuss for? Bottom point is, TMB had huge airplay, it only needed to sell a bit to get the #1 spot, which it would've done anyway. |
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Post by Caution on Jun 10, 2009 8:58:10 GMT -5
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Post by johnm1120 on Jun 10, 2009 9:03:27 GMT -5
TMB was a near flawless campaign. The song was total shit, but the label pulled all the stops and there was no way the song was not going to get #1.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Jun 10, 2009 9:04:33 GMT -5
I'd have to agree that "Don't Forget About Us" was a big hit, and it deserved to go to #1 because it went top three on all the big formats and reached an audience of 185 million. However, i'd also have to agree that there is no way "Touch My Body" was a normal #1 nor would it have gotten there had they not done the usual tactics. That song sky rocketed on radio airplay in the first 6 weeks because of hype, then it completely flatlined and collapsed with no longevity at all. Her memorable #1s: Vision of Love Emotions I'll Be There Dreamlover Hero Fantasy One Sweet Day Always Be My Baby We Belong Together Don't Forget About Us Songs that shouldn't have hit #1 and relied on chart tactics: Someday Love Takes Time Honey My All Heartbreaker Thank God I Found You Touch My Body Thank God, this is just YOUR opinion.  |
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Post by ZigaZigHa on Jun 10, 2009 9:27:52 GMT -5
People who try to discredit Mariah's #1's are dumb. Every artist and label would want that, and is doing that, it just so happens that Mariah has been successful in doing that. Who cares if she is not being innovative enough with her music? She has enough fanbase to buy her records and support her. Even Madonna had to get Justin on a record to get a hit.
This is about the new song "Obsessed" and apparently I thought we are talking about the song, but all that had been discussed on this thread are mainly about "obsessed" people and their "obsessions" about how Mariah didn't deserve some of her #1's. Jealous much, try a different hobby. Your pathetic, tired and repeating arguments (just like HolidayGuy - the muscled crybaby) are getting really really old.
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Post by Keelzit on Jun 10, 2009 9:31:39 GMT -5
Is anyone else still pissed that she could get at least 2 more #1s with the previous album but she screwed up with the single choices? I still can't get over the fact that such a single-loaded album wasn't handled properly by the label.
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Post by ZigaZigHa on Jun 10, 2009 9:37:39 GMT -5
I am. And I don't know if I can ever get over the fact that they screwed up the releases that's why last era was a disappointment (sure she had a #1 song and a platinum CD but that could have been much more).
If they released Migrate second, and For The Record as third, it could have been so much different.
Getting back on the song, I wonder if there is a chance this song would leak before the release date. They announced it too soon that radio only has a week till it officially drops
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Post by hidizzyguy on Jun 10, 2009 9:48:45 GMT -5
Yeah... let's get back to this song...
So, how many days do you think she'll wait before she releases her single digitally?...
*ROLLEY MOTHA FUCKING EYES*
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Post by ZigaZigHa on Jun 10, 2009 9:52:40 GMT -5
Hopefully they would wait for 2 to 3 weeks. No doubt she will get airplay for this song so 2 to 3 weeks should be a good wait time before they release this digitally
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Post by Caviar on Jun 10, 2009 10:20:46 GMT -5
Didn't take this thread long to go str8 to hell.
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 10, 2009 10:26:11 GMT -5
I'd have to agree that "Don't Forget About Us" was a big hit, and it deserved to go to #1 because it went top three on all the big formats and reached an audience of 185 million. However, i'd also have to agree that there is no way "Touch My Body" was a normal #1 nor would it have gotten there had they not done the usual tactics. That song sky rocketed on radio airplay in the first 6 weeks because of hype, then it completely flatlined and collapsed with no longevity at all. Her memorable #1s: Vision of Love Emotions I'll Be There Dreamlover Hero Fantasy One Sweet Day Always Be My Baby We Belong Together Don't Forget About Us Songs that shouldn't have hit #1 and relied on chart tactics: Someday Love Takes Time Honey My All Heartbreaker Thank God I Found You Touch My Body So. Much. Fail. |
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Post by Alex on Jun 10, 2009 11:35:12 GMT -5
The song won't drop on iTunes until the song peaks in airplay...you know how MIMI and LA do! Damn near late August. However, it will be on my iPod Tuesday evening.  |
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Post by Dammn Baby on Jun 10, 2009 11:43:22 GMT -5
I love how people try to discredit Mariah's vast chart achievements simply because they think she has #1's that aren't "worthy". There are a lot of #1's that aren't "worthy" in my subjective opinion, but that shouldn't distract from the facts: Those songs were still #1 hits, whether or not I liked them and whether or not I feel they're adequately remembered by the average joe. Seriously, how many people would be able to identify even half the #1 hits of yesteryear (and I'm being generous) without consulting external resources? Thought so. All of Mariah's hits are deserving simply because they fulfilled the chart point requirements during a given week.
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Post by vinyl on Jun 10, 2009 11:54:38 GMT -5
That song sky rocketed on radio airplay in the first 6 weeks because of hype, then it completely flatlined and collapsed with no longevity at all. What? Didn't Touch My Body have major longevity..? |
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Post by S. Carter on Jun 10, 2009 12:01:56 GMT -5
TMB was #2 in airplay, how DARE you say that song did not deserve to go #1 on Hot 100. Also the song had AMAZING LONGEVITY. It would not die. Everybody wanted to touch Mariah's body.Also there are PLENTY of songs by other artists that didn't "deserve" to be #1. I guess Carrie Underwood's "Inside Your Heaven" should be #1, right? WRONG! I can't wait till Mimi get her 21 #1 singles to shut all you hate.rs up. ROOOOTF! |
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Post by jazzyskye10² on Jun 10, 2009 12:09:52 GMT -5
Is anyone else still pissed that she could get at least 2 more #1s with the previous album but she screwed up with the single choices? I still can't get over the fact that such a single-loaded album wasn't handled properly by the label. It is quite annoying to think about. Migrate, ITC, SE, hell I even believe ISIL could have done much better than it did had the single releases not been screwed up. *sigh* Oh Well. Hopefully Obsessed is good along with the songs to follow. |
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Post by getyaarmor on Jun 10, 2009 12:14:47 GMT -5
TMB was #2 in airplay, how DARE you say that song did not deserve to go #1 on Hot 100. Also the song had AMAZING LONGEVITY. It would not die. Everybody wanted to touch Mariah's body. |
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Post by ZigaZigHa on Jun 10, 2009 12:21:57 GMT -5
LOL@ Unusual-Me saying everyone wanted to touch Mariah's body
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