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Post by tsw2008 on Jun 23, 2009 11:42:01 GMT -5
Two things. #1: Kelly fans should be grateful she's had two big hits already. That's two more big hits she had compared to last era. #2: I'm not surprised the album isn't selling. IMO, it's not great at all and is probably my least enjoyable Kelly album. It doesn't compare to her last three. #3: Unless you have massive teenage and tween appeal, you aren't going to sell much to begin with. lol that couldn't be further from the truth. teens/tweens mostly download their music illegally. Also when your core fanbase is made up of mostly teens/tweens the likelihood of having long term success is slim.
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Post by tsw2008 on Jun 23, 2009 11:42:39 GMT -5
^ Yes, adults DO buy the majority of Jonas Brothers and Miley Cyrus albums and concert tickets -- for their children. The family purse strings are controlled by the parents, not the 11 year old children. exactly.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 23, 2009 11:46:52 GMT -5
That's not it at all. Teens and tweens don't buy albums. Adults and country fans do. Adults and country fans buy Hannah Montana, Miley Cyrus, Jonas Brothers albums? Even country artists are beginning to lose album sales. But, I will still say country is the top selling album genre at the moment. Even without Ms. Swift. I think there are two sweeeeeeet audiences that everyone wants to "get"-one is the younger crowd and one is the country/adult crowd. Most artists that have really exploded in sales usually appeal to one or both of those. Jonas really haven't sold much compared to Taylor and Miley-however, Colbie Caillat sold 2 million cds (more than Jonas) appealing to a more adult crowd in addition to pop. It just depends on the artist and how they connect-Kelly, I believe, can appeal to either group or both at the same time. She is very, very versatile. Something like If I Can't Have You may be skewered younger, but then she can come back and have Already Gone which appeals to adults.
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Post by tsw2008 on Jun 23, 2009 11:52:34 GMT -5
Kelly doesn't have the right image currently to appeal to that younger POP crowd. That's why this project is doomed IMO.
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Post by vandj4ever on Jun 23, 2009 12:12:14 GMT -5
Kelly doesn't have the right image currently to appeal to that younger POP crowd. That's why this project is doomed IMO. Say that's true. Wouldn't it then stand to reason to focus more on the adult crowd and release HAC friendly singles? An artist doesn't need the young pop crowd to still be successful. Obviously this era has been focused on hooking them, but if that doesn't work why not reverse course and focus less on Top 40 and more on crowds that would be receptive? Try a ballad, which evidently they are. Or at least a song that isn't as "pop" as the last two. Single sales might suffer but the album may increase in sales if it works.
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Post by tsw2008 on Jun 23, 2009 12:18:50 GMT -5
Kelly doesn't have the right image currently to appeal to that younger POP crowd. That's why this project is doomed IMO. Say that's true. Wouldn't it then stand to reason to focus more on the adult crowd and release HAC friendly singles? An artist doesn't need the young pop crowd to still be successful. Obviously this era has been focused on hooking them, but if that doesn't work why not reverse course and focus less on Top 40 and more on crowds that would be receptive? Try a ballad, which evidently they are. Or at least a song that isn't as "pop" as the last two. Single sales might suffer but the album may increase in sales if it works. absolutely. Releasing an AC friendly ballad like AG next is their best bet. That will target a slightly older, maybe less shallow crowd.
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Post by Illusions on Jun 23, 2009 12:23:26 GMT -5
I also hope Cry will be released as a single!
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Post by lyrichord on Jun 23, 2009 12:31:29 GMT -5
I actually think the whole AIEW project is probably more emotionally mature and complex than what the pop crowd generally craves. As an twentysomething, I personally find this record more eminently relatable and enjoyable than her previous work for that reason, but I suspect it's the opposite for the younger set. The pop songs that tend to blow up (including those from the BA era) tend to be very self-centered and paint things in black and white. The AIEW songs show more emotional shades of gray and mixed messages. MLWS for instance, says you drive me nuts but I still want to be with you. AG says I love you and you love me but that's not enough to sustain a relationship. That's a pretty "grown up" thing to say (as is the message of IDNHU), and I kind of doubt 14 year olds relate to that. Pop music seems to be more about in-your-face singular messages, and not, let's think about what these lyrics mean.
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Post by circadian on Jun 23, 2009 13:23:51 GMT -5
The pop songs that tend to blow up (including those from the BA era) tend to be very self-centered and paint things in black and white. The AIEW songs show more emotional shades of gray and mixed messages. MLWS for instance, says you drive me nuts but I still want to be with you. AG says I love you and you love me but that's not enough to sustain a relationship. That's a pretty "grown up" thing to say (as is the message of IDNHU), and I kind of doubt 14 year olds relate to that. Pop music seems to be more about in-your-face singular messages, and not, let's think about what these lyrics mean. Interesting point of view... and I totally agree
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Post by ƒreakshow on Jun 23, 2009 13:47:47 GMT -5
I actually think the whole AIEW project is probably more emotionally mature and complex than what the pop crowd generally craves. As an twentysomething, I personally find this record more eminently relatable and enjoyable than her previous work for that reason, but I suspect it's the opposite for the younger set. The pop songs that tend to blow up (including those from the BA era) tend to be very self-centered and paint things in black and white. The AIEW songs show more emotional shades of gray and mixed messages. MLWS for instance, says you drive me nuts but I still want to be with you. AG says I love you and you love me but that's not enough to sustain a relationship. That's a pretty "grown up" thing to say (as is the message of IDNHU), and I kind of doubt 14 year olds relate to that. Pop music seems to be more about in-your-face singular messages, and not, let's think about what these lyrics mean. Wow, I never looked at AIEW that way before.
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Post by Illusions on Jun 23, 2009 14:46:28 GMT -5
Agreed lyrichord!
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Jun 23, 2009 14:47:48 GMT -5
The pop songs that tend to blow up (including those from the BA era) tend to be very self-centered and paint things in black and white. The AIEW songs show more emotional shades of gray and mixed messages. MLWS for instance, says you drive me nuts but I still want to be with you. AG says I love you and you love me but that's not enough to sustain a relationship. That's a pretty "grown up" thing to say (as is the message of IDNHU), and I kind of doubt 14 year olds relate to that. Pop music seems to be more about in-your-face singular messages, and not, let's think about what these lyrics mean. Interesting point of view... and I totally agree
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Post by rellybois on Jun 23, 2009 14:56:18 GMT -5
I actually think the whole AIEW project is probably more emotionally mature and complex than what the pop crowd generally craves. As an twentysomething, I personally find this record more eminently relatable and enjoyable than her previous work for that reason, but I suspect it's the opposite for the younger set. The pop songs that tend to blow up (including those from the BA era) tend to be very self-centered and paint things in black and white. The AIEW songs show more emotional shades of gray and mixed messages. MLWS for instance, says you drive me nuts but I still want to be with you. AG says I love you and you love me but that's not enough to sustain a relationship. That's a pretty "grown up" thing to say (as is the message of IDNHU), and I kind of doubt 14 year olds relate to that. Pop music seems to be more about in-your-face singular messages, and not, let's think about what these lyrics mean. These are actually really insightful and very true remarks.
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Post by Bluesy on Jun 23, 2009 15:21:35 GMT -5
But I'm just sensing a little less hype and excitement around Kelly from the pop crowd (in general). I think after this era Kelly should take some time for herself and really figure out where she is going as an artist. I don't think Kelly is a terrific writer (let my re-phase that...her lyrics don't appeal to me) but after drawing my own conclusion about this album I think she needs to find more of a middle ground between this album and MD. This album swung TOO MUCH away from where she was going with MD. It doesn't have a lot of heart to me even though Kelly sings the crap out of the songs. I think we are seeing that many people agree with me. They are hearing the songs due to massive airplay for two songs to date but they just aren't connecting to them. Something just a little off. I disagree- there was huge excitement for her- MLWSWY would not have shot to #1 the way it did if there wasn't- but then her appearance just scuttled everything- that's what people have been talking about ever since she started back, whether she was pregnant, the dresses she was wearing that was making her butt look so big, then the jeans that made her thighs look so huge. There have been no attempts at iconic images or performances. the music is there, the youth is there, the image is a mess. Sunpeach, I'm also in the camp that believes Kelly's image is a big problem. Not the only problem, but her messy, frankly, low-class image (although she's improved a little recently) is simply not what attracts most people to an artist. Although she absolutely refuses to take her image seriously, if Kelly wants to extend her career much beyond the average, she needs a serious makeover. BTW, no one should discount the impact the recession is having on all music sales. Even the handful of albums that are selling really good probably would be selling much more if it weren't for this terrible recession. As an example, unemployment went to 11.5% in California last month, the highest since the government has been keeping state unemployment figures. Economists expect the rate to climb over 15% by the end of the year. California has the largest economy of any state in the nation, so what happens here affects the whole country. For people who might be interested in reading more: www.moneyandmarkets.com/california-collapsing-34271
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Post by Illusions on Jun 23, 2009 18:53:13 GMT -5
I totally disagree about image myself. When I buy a album I am not buying it for the artist/band appearance, but the music. This is just me, but maybe everyone else is different?
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Jun 23, 2009 19:12:46 GMT -5
I totally disagree about image myself. When I buy a album I am not buying it for the artist/band appearance, but the music. This is just me, but maybe everyone else is different? I think that the vast majority of the pop music market is extremely concerned with image, however wrong we may find that to be.
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Post by Illusions on Jun 23, 2009 19:18:39 GMT -5
I know what your saying, but when I buy a album or song I could care less if the woman is bald and has rotted teath! I just want the music!
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Post by Rumors on Jun 23, 2009 20:51:16 GMT -5
I know what your saying, but when I buy a album or song I could care less if the woman is bald and has rotted teath! I just want the music! LOL! Yet look at the picture you have of Kelly in your siggy. The ones photo shopped to death. ;) Just saying....image always enters the picture even if it's just subconsciously. Doesn't mean that we won't buy music from a bald woman but we are certainly aware that she is a woman and that she is bald. To kids, image does have an impact on how they view things and what appeals to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2009 21:04:19 GMT -5
I know what your saying, but when I buy a album or song I could care less if the woman is bald and has rotted teeth! I just want the music! LOL! Yet look at the picture you have of Kelly in your siggy. The ones photo shopped to death. ;) Just saying....image always enters the picture even if it's just subconsciously. Doesn't mean that we won't buy music from a bald woman but we are certainly aware that she is a woman and that she is bald. To kids, image does have an impact on how they view things and what appeals to them. It's a sad fact, but true, that image really does matter. These are pop stars and they are held to a higher standard by the public, for whatever reason. Kelly really had a lot to overcome with My December (as far as public perception is concerned) and I think she's chipping away at that slowly. It takes time, and as I said in another post, think P!nk post Try This. They have very similar stories, these two ladies. Maybe more subconscious on Kelly's part, but who knows... I'm pretty sure the label believes in her and we'll see another two singles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2009 21:11:15 GMT -5
Oh! And I don't think this is done yet, but with the video shot for 'Already Gone' already (?), I think the labels moving on too. What, a month for editing of the video? I say radio adds date for 'Already Gone' will be late July early August.
The adds date of IDNHU was early April (?) and it's pretty much been in the Top 10 since late April (really not sure when it reached the Top 10) but it has been floundering at N0.8 for a while now, and I hate to say it, I think it's time to move on. Let this stabilize, and send 'Already Gone' to radio.
I still love this song though and secretly hope it ain't done but it's either got to get a huge bullet or just fade slowly until 'Already Gone' takes off, cause it will. I think she's pulling out all the stops for that one.
At any rate, Kelly has been in the Top 40 (radio) consecutively now for over 6 months. (Well at least close to)
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 23, 2009 21:24:49 GMT -5
I actually think the whole AIEW project is probably more emotionally mature and complex than what the pop crowd generally craves. As an twentysomething, I personally find this record more eminently relatable and enjoyable than her previous work for that reason, but I suspect it's the opposite for the younger set. The pop songs that tend to blow up (including those from the BA era) tend to be very self-centered and paint things in black and white. The AIEW songs show more emotional shades of gray and mixed messages. MLWS for instance, says you drive me nuts but I still want to be with you. AG says I love you and you love me but that's not enough to sustain a relationship. That's a pretty "grown up" thing to say (as is the message of IDNHU), and I kind of doubt 14 year olds relate to that. Pop music seems to be more about in-your-face singular messages, and not, let's think about what these lyrics mean. Wow. I never thought of it like that before. I agree.
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Post by Rurry on Jun 23, 2009 21:46:51 GMT -5
I'm sorry...I'm not buying that this album is too "mature and intellectually complex" and that's why it's not doing well. MLWSWY and IDNHU are probably the opposite of that, honestly. Especially IDNHU...how is a song that goes "I do not hook up, I go slow, if you want me, I don't come cheap" a song that "makes you think and doesn't have an in-your-face message?".
I'm not even sure I'd say this album is a maturity level above Breakaway, nevermind My December.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Jun 23, 2009 21:55:46 GMT -5
I just need to say that I am SO excited Joseph Khan is directing the video for AG. This has made me even more pumped for the single release. I can't wait to see what he'll do for it.
I have been hoping for IDNHU to really take off for a while now. I really did think it sounded like a #1 pop song. If it doesn't make some big movement soon I am going to be joining the "get AG out there asap" camp. This song has done well, even if it stopped gaining tomorrow. I think (hope) AG will become the huge hit from this era.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 24, 2009 6:47:01 GMT -5
9 9 KELLY CLARKSON I Do Not Hook Up 5988 5752 236 36.423
+15 Spins -32 Bullet -0.239 Audience
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Post by Jack on Jun 24, 2009 6:48:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry...I'm not buying that this album is too "mature and intellectually complex" and that's why it's not doing well. MLWSWY and IDNHU are probably the opposite of that, honestly. Especially IDNHU...how is a song that goes "I do not hook up, I go slow, if you want me, I don't come cheap" a song that "makes you think and doesn't have an in-your-face message?". I'm not even sure I'd say this album is a maturity level above Breakaway, nevermind My December. I think you're taking what they said a little literally/basically. What lyrichord meant was instead of the straight cut pop song that tends to have a very straight forward relatable messages ("Just Dance") or even Kelly's past hits ("I'm happy now you're gone" or "I won't let you see me crying"), the songs she's released/will be releasing, whilst undeniably pop, have a slightly more mature/complex message ("I'm no good with you, I'm no good without you", "I want the real thing rather than a bunch of one night stands", "We love each other but that's not enough to sustain a relationship in the real world") which will certainly be a obstacle in terms of to some younger listeners connecting/singing along/feeling like she's singing for them.
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Post by repentyourself on Jun 24, 2009 6:49:54 GMT -5
9 9 KELLY CLARKSON I Do Not Hook Up 5988 5752 236 36.423 +15 Spins -32 Bullet -0.239 Audience meh. from now on i don't even really care if it peaks here, i just want AG to be out!
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Post by Keelzit on Jun 24, 2009 6:50:51 GMT -5
pls die now!
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Post by Jack on Jun 24, 2009 6:51:21 GMT -5
9 9 KELLY CLARKSON I Do Not Hook Up 5988 5752 236 36.423 +15 Spins -32 Bullet -0.239 Audience meh. from now on i don't even really care if it peaks here, i just want AG to be out! For sure. This aint a flop it's a 'flip flop'. Had enough. Let's move on.
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Post by picklerclarkson on Jun 24, 2009 7:07:12 GMT -5
Dang I though it was gonna explode with the updates it was having. Well come on die or take off with at least a 500+ bullet.
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Post by KMJ1 on Jun 24, 2009 8:23:05 GMT -5
hope this evaporates -- quickly lol! bring on AG asap!
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