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Post by switch on Nov 24, 2009 1:56:26 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that it's the same lyrical arrangement she's been doing.
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Post by Juanca on Nov 24, 2009 2:20:00 GMT -5
HIGHLIGHTS: Gaga, J Lo, Kelly, Alecia/Jay Z are my favorites. JLO really surprised me. Didn't know she could sing so consistently live. GREAT performance. J-Lo lip-synced. And she fell on her ass. How was that a great performance? I'm sorry, man, but with fall and all, JLo danced MILES better (and more) than Shakira. Given the age difference, JLo gave a lesson to other female dancers out there, including the not-so-older-than-her Janet Jackson. In that sense, my dear Mpol, I will have to fully disagree with you. Janet was 'heavy' in all but one of her dance moments (the "If" break was the only moment she put some effort). She was not flexible, tight, or even interesting with her moves. Most of her dancing was just walking around. JLo put a great performance overall, with great intensity in each of her moves. Anyone can fall, but I don't think anyone can go back up as fast and classy as her and keep going with the rhythm as if nothing had happened.
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Post by Juanca on Nov 24, 2009 2:42:18 GMT -5
By the way, I am amazed at how hard people are with Adam Lambert This was his FIRST performance on an Awards show, something really big for him, his debut as an artist with so high expectations... and he decided to go all out showing his real self, not a tamed AI PG-audience performance that got scared with a slight show of sexuality in the Ring Of Fire performance. For being the first performance of an AI alumni, he did a very good job IMO. Yeah, his vocals were not the best. To begin with, the vocals of the song are not the best for him either. He was clearly concentrating on putting up a show, demonstrating some confidence onstage, which I think he did. And trying to push the envelope on the gay side. It was too much for me, but I still give him props for doing what he did. And yeah, he is right, we have seen Madonna strutting touching her gina on live TV before, Madonna, Xtina and Britney making out, plus other lesbo things... double standards would have been inadequate. However, I can also agree that Adam needs to think that he has to showcase his VOICE more than his GAYNESS! He wants to be an artist first, so he has to prove that he is up to the test. More concentration on singing well than making out with a man would have served him much more. Had his vocals been better, his performance could have been among the highlights IMO, but he just tried to hard to show his gay persona rather than his singer self.
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Post by How Do You Do? on Nov 24, 2009 2:43:01 GMT -5
J-Lo lip-synced. And she fell on her ass. How was that a great performance? I'm sorry, man, but with fall and all, JLo danced MILES better (and more) than Shakira. Given the age difference, JLo gave a lesson to other female dancers out there, including the not-so-older-than-her Janet Jackson. In that sense, my dear Mpol, I will have to fully disagree with you. Janet was 'heavy' in all but one of her dance moments (the "If" break was the only moment she put some effort). She was not flexible, tight, or even interesting with her moves. Most of her dancing was just walking around. JLo put a great performance overall, with great intensity in each of her moves. Anyone can fall, but I don't think anyone can go back up as fast and classy as her and keep going with the rhythm as if nothing had happened. I thought J-Lo was a better dancer than Shakira back in her prime. But, last night showed she is way past her prime. She looked slow and heavy dancing last night. And I am pretty sure only J-Lo managed to fall on her ass. She needs to give up this music nonsense and try to get back into acting. The only thing she had going for her in music was her dancing ability and that is clearly long gone.
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Post by bigbluenote on Nov 24, 2009 2:50:31 GMT -5
By the way, I am amazed at how hard people are with Adam Lambert This was his FIRST performance on an Awards show, something really big for him, his debut as an artist with so high expectations... and he decided to go all out showing his real self, not a tamed AI PG-audience performance that got scared with a slight show of sexuality in the Ring Of Fire performance. For being the first performance of an AI alumni, he did a very good job IMO. Yeah, his vocals were not the best. To begin with, the vocals of the song are not the best for him either. He was clearly concentrating on putting up a show, demonstrating some confidence onstage, which I think he did. And trying to push the envelope on the gay side. It was too much for me, but I still give him props for doing what he did. And yeah, he is right, we have seen Madonna strutting touching her gina on live TV before, Madonna, Xtina and Britney making out, plus other lesbo things... double standards would have been inadequate. However, I can also agree that Adam needs to think that he has to showcase his VOICE more than his GAYNESS! He wants to be an artist first, so he has to prove that he is up to the test. More concentration on singing well than making out with a man would have served him much more. Had his vocals been better, his performance could have been among the highlights IMO, but he just tried to hard to show his gay persona rather than his singer self. Excellent post. You summed up all my thoughts cohesively. I knew nothing about this Adam guy except 1) he's from AI, and 2) he's gay (that was all over the internet and magazine stands). That was some first impression he gave to 14 some odd million viewers. I feel really sorry for the guy. It'll be really interesting to see how well his album sells. Especially compared to everyone else (Gaga, Shakira, Rihanna, etc). The thing is, he really appeals to a small niche. Is there going to be any straight male in this country out there buying Adam's album? I don't think so. Not to be mean, but I think that's going to be his main hang up. He DOES need to be out there promoting his voice. After all, he isn't JUST an artist, but a SINGER. He needs to prove he can sing before he pushes the envelope. I think it's just too much too soon for him. But I do wish him the best. I sure enjoyed the song.
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Post by Music Fan on Nov 24, 2009 2:53:40 GMT -5
By the way, I am amazed at how hard people are with Adam Lambert This was his FIRST performance on an Awards show, something really big for him, his debut as an artist with so high expectations... and he decided to go all out showing his real self, not a tamed AI PG-audience performance that got scared with a slight show of sexuality in the Ring Of Fire performance. For being the first performance of an AI alumni, he did a very good job IMO. Yeah, his vocals were not the best. To begin with, the vocals of the song are not the best for him either. He was clearly concentrating on putting up a show, demonstrating some confidence onstage, which I think he did. And trying to push the envelope on the gay side. It was too much for me, but I still give him props for doing what he did. And yeah, he is right, we have seen Madonna strutting touching her gina on live TV before, Madonna, Xtina and Britney making out, plus other lesbo things... double standards would have been inadequate. However, I can also agree that Adam needs to think that he has to showcase his VOICE more than his GAYNESS! He wants to be an artist first, so he has to prove that he is up to the test. More concentration on singing well than making out with a man would have served him much more. Had his vocals been better, his performance could have been among the highlights IMO, but he just tried to hard to show his gay persona rather than his singer self. As a newcomer I can understand him wanting to go all out, anyone in his position will probably want to do the best they can and stand out and have a great performance. Though, we do got to admit that they could've told him that it looked to trashy, it was intended to be "artistic" or whatever it is he said, but it didn't. Also, about Madonna/Britney/Xtina thing yes I agree, lesbian actions seem to be more accepted, but all three were already huge in the moment, they had proven themselves in many ways and times before that performance, they can have an "excuse" if you will, but this was Adam's first. If he had done an excellent performance now and a couple in the future then he would be free to do what we wishes (at least as I see it). It would still be controversial, and this he did is speaking a lot about him.
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 24, 2009 4:36:37 GMT -5
I agree with posts above.. The difference between Madonna and Adam is that Adam is just a newcomer with no hits. That makes him sort of desperate for attention in a way and the performance wasn't good no matter how you look at it.
Controversial doesn't always work. In fact, here I think it worked against his career.
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Post by BrokenArrow on Nov 24, 2009 5:08:44 GMT -5
Did I get this right?
1-Taylor Swift won a pop/rock award?.......why? 2- Taylor Swift in London?......why?
Its not as if anyone in the UK would have a clue who she is!
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Post by David on Nov 24, 2009 5:52:34 GMT -5
^Hence why she's in London. LOL!
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Post by BrokenArrow on Nov 24, 2009 6:22:05 GMT -5
^Hence why she's in London. LOL! So she's in the UK to record some electro pop?
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Post by David on Nov 24, 2009 6:24:27 GMT -5
No, I think to whore herself out to the UK. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere she's trying to breakthrough over there.
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Post by yosafbridge on Nov 24, 2009 8:14:32 GMT -5
^Hence why she's in London. LOL! So she's in the UK to record some electro pop? She has 2 concerts in the UK : Wembley Arena(23 Nov,just ended) and Manchester Evening News Arena(24 Nov)
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Post by popindustrialist on Nov 24, 2009 9:22:31 GMT -5
Please don't put Adam in the same snetence as Prince. Thank you. lol really. Even Adam brought up Prince in one of his post show interviews whining, "but Prince wore assless pants!" Yeah, but Prince totally rocked his assless-pants performance, and without simulated stage sex. Prince is a master songwriter and performer. Adam isn't a songwriter and, as last night showed, he has yet to lock down the "performer" aspect of his career. It wasnt a music compare & contrast, it was a pop culture comment. Prince and Michael's solo careers were both born in an era of extreme white panic over black politics, black culture, black sexuality, black ... everything. With Prince running around in a bra and panties singing about head, Michael looked positively virginal. Without Prince, Michael dosent look so "safe". Adam needs to go down on every piece of furniture on camera so the next gay guy dosent have too. This is what I am saying.
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Post by Brazilian Guy on Nov 24, 2009 9:33:19 GMT -5
It`s gonna be tough for awards shows to re-create the awesome 1-2-3 punch of the VMAs of Gaga-Beyoncé-Pink. These are the 3 best live performers right now and if the Grammys are smart, they are invited to the party in January.
They proved they can do anything. Slow songs(Speechless/IfIWereaBoy/Sober) to party starters.
When J-Lo gets good reviews for that lame boxing set performance, that means trouble for your show producers. Only Shakira really let me down cause she`s capable of so much more. The BEPs are ridiculous, but at least they delivered something out of the box. Ciara should sue Alicia Keys for taking the Promise video and turning it into her performance.
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Post by Stephen on Nov 24, 2009 9:40:56 GMT -5
It`s gonna be tough for awards shows to re-create the awesome 1-2-3 punch of the VMAs of Gaga-Beyoncé-Pink. These are the 3 best live performers right now and if the Grammys are smart, they are invited to the party in January. They proved they can do anything. Slow songs(Speechless/IfIWereaBoy/Sober) to party starters. When J-Lo gets good reviews for that lame boxing set performance, that means trouble for your show producers. Only Shakira really let me down cause she`s capable of so much more. The BEPs are ridiculous, but at least they delivered something out of the box. Ciara should sue Alicia Keys for taking the Promise video and turning it into her performance. Ok, I would include Kelly and Carrie in that. They've proven both as well. In fact, I'd bet that both will get performance slots this year.
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Post by wallace on Nov 24, 2009 10:21:33 GMT -5
^^ This. Kelly is, IMHO, the best live vocalist in the business, and Carrie's the best in country and probably the biggest TV draw in country.
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Post by fischbone on Nov 24, 2009 11:36:02 GMT -5
I agree with posts above.. The difference between Madonna and Adam is that Adam is just a newcomer with no hits. That makes him sort of desperate for attention in a way and the performance wasn't good no matter how you look at it. Controversial doesn't always work. In fact, here I think it worked against his career. THIS. I find it funny that he is trying to say "well so-and-so did the same thing." Well, Adam, you are no Madonna. I think he just embarrassed himself. I know I was embarrassed for him watching it and he was my fav coming off idol.
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Post by tsharky on Nov 24, 2009 11:59:22 GMT -5
I like Adam too and bought his album but I agree his performance was over the top.
Hopefully for his sake he can get a chance to redeem himself. It was his very first post idol performance so I hope it is not his last. He just needs to be more aware of kids watching. That is what I have a problem with. The kids didn't need to see that.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Nov 24, 2009 12:52:48 GMT -5
lol really. Even Adam brought up Prince in one of his post show interviews whining, "but Prince wore assless pants!" Yeah, but Prince totally rocked his assless-pants performance, and without simulated stage sex. Prince is a master songwriter and performer. Adam isn't a songwriter and, as last night showed, he has yet to lock down the "performer" aspect of his career. It wasnt a music compare & contrast, it was a pop culture comment. Prince and Michael's solo careers were both born in an era of extreme white panic over black politics, black culture, black sexuality, black ... everything. With Prince running around in a bra and panties singing about head, Michael looked positively virginal. Without Prince, Michael dosent look so "safe". Adam needs to go down on every piece of furniture on camera so the next gay guy dosent have too. This is what I am saying. This whole "Prince helped MJ's career" is one of the dumbest things I've ever read, even from the looniest Prince fans. Off the Walll came out in 1979- he was a goody 2 shoes back then and Prince was barely even known. Purple Rain came out 2 years after Thriller, remember? MJ made MJ look safe. Just like Britney made Britney look crazy. Jessica makes Jessica look dumb. And please stop painting Adam as some sort of pioneer for gay rights or whatever. Most people I know can't stand him because of his overindulent screeching and cocky attitude. His looks, voice, and personality are totally unattractive. His sexuality is only discussed because he keeps reminding us every 5 seconds! I'm a Clay Aiken fan and George Michael worshipper- Adam is awful, sorry.
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Post by Junkiex on Nov 25, 2009 0:17:10 GMT -5
DEAD at people's double standards! Gaga is a newcomer as well and she makes out with two girls on the Paparazzi video and no one complains. I just watched Adam's performance and I thought I was about to see "Real World: Sodom and Gomorrah" and what I saw was just things that have already been done by FEMALES with NO CENSORSHIP.
I hate this double standards in society SO f**kING MUCH! I can see how little we have advanced in terms of equalty and rights for the gay community. Looks like it is another pose from society after all.
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Post by wallace on Nov 25, 2009 0:22:56 GMT -5
DEAD at people's double standards! Gaga is a newcomer as well and she makes out with two girls on the Paparazzi video and no one complains. I just watched Adam's performance and I thought I was about to see "Real World: Sodom and Gomorrah" and what I saw was just things that have already been done by FEMALES with NO CENSORSHIP. I hate this double standards in society SO f**kING MUCH! I can see how little we have advanced in terms of equalty and rights for the gay community. Looks like it is another pose from society after all. Not everyone who had a problem with Adam's routine is OK with the things Gaga, Britney, Madonna, etc. have been doing over the years. That said, the pushing a man's face into his crotch was rather a new low for network TV, for any combination of genders.
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Post by Junkiex on Nov 25, 2009 0:26:10 GMT -5
Yes, there might be a few who make no gender distinction, but come on! Look at the reactions on the media. Most are negative...
Besides, isn't it true that Adam already got a presentation cancelled after this??? Did this happen after any of our girls pushed the envelope in the same ways he did??? That has a name and it's discrimination.
If our society had the nerves to SPEAK and let this expressions be FREE instead of labeling and hiding them, people wouldn't be so shocked and they would just abstain from buying his album if they didn't like what they saw.
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Post by starr on Nov 25, 2009 1:48:35 GMT -5
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Post by Houster on Nov 25, 2009 8:26:55 GMT -5
I think the problem with Lambert's performance wasn't that it was over the top, its just that it was bad. The song is lousy, the singing was lousy, and the routine seemed pre-packaged and designed to shock -- rather than spontaneous artistic expression.
Madonna is a very bad comparison to Lambert. Back in 1981 and 1982, the strategy for Madonna was to play her music incessantly on the radio and in clubs. For months, including on the urban radio stations, I would hear songs like "Everybody" and "Physical Attraction". It was only after Madonna achieved a string of radio hits that her album was released. Adam Lambert, on the other hand, got his start with lots of TV exposure, singing stuff unlike what he is doing now. He has not established himself as a recording artist.
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Post by Junkiex on Nov 25, 2009 8:34:29 GMT -5
I'm personally not comparing him with those artists. I am comparing how people reacted after what he did and how they reacted after some female artists did exactly the same.
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Post by popindustrialist on Nov 25, 2009 9:33:56 GMT -5
It wasnt a music compare & contrast, it was a pop culture comment. Prince and Michael's solo careers were both born in an era of extreme white panic over black politics, black culture, black sexuality, black ... everything. With Prince running around in a bra and panties singing about head, Michael looked positively virginal. Without Prince, Michael dosent look so "safe". Adam needs to go down on every piece of furniture on camera so the next gay guy dosent have too. This is what I am saying. This whole "Prince helped MJ's career" is one of the dumbest things I've ever read, even from the looniest Prince fans. Off the Walll came out in 1979- he was a goody 2 shoes back then and Prince was barely even known. Purple Rain came out 2 years after Thriller, remember? MJ made MJ look safe. Just like Britney made Britney look crazy. Jessica makes Jessica look dumb. And please stop painting Adam as some sort of pioneer for gay rights or whatever. Most people I know can't stand him because of his overindulent screeching and cocky attitude. His looks, voice, and personality are totally unattractive. His sexuality is only discussed because he keeps reminding us every 5 seconds! I'm a Clay Aiken fan and George Michael worshipper- Adam is awful, sorry. Dirty Mind came out in '80. Controversy cam out in '81. 1999 came out in '82. Soft and Wet, Head, Do me Baby, Sexuality & Dirty Mind (the single) had all been publicly banned at the radio stations that werent restricting his play to after midnight. But really, you're a Clay Aiken "fan". That's all you had to say. I get it. Damn males who are into other males are ok as long as they pretend they're straight, eh?
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Nov 25, 2009 11:16:04 GMT -5
This whole "Prince helped MJ's career" is one of the dumbest things I've ever read, even from the looniest Prince fans. Off the Walll came out in 1979- he was a goody 2 shoes back then and Prince was barely even known. Purple Rain came out 2 years after Thriller, remember? MJ made MJ look safe. Just like Britney made Britney look crazy. Jessica makes Jessica look dumb. And please stop painting Adam as some sort of pioneer for gay rights or whatever. Most people I know can't stand him because of his overindulent screeching and cocky attitude. His looks, voice, and personality are totally unattractive. His sexuality is only discussed because he keeps reminding us every 5 seconds! I'm a Clay Aiken fan and George Michael worshipper- Adam is awful, sorry. Dirty Mind came out in '80. Controversy cam out in '81. 1999 came out in '82. Soft and Wet, Head, Do me Baby, Sexuality & Dirty Mind (the single) had all been publicly banned at the radio stations that werent restricting his play to after midnight. But really, you're a Clay Aiken "fan". That's all you had to say. I get it. Damn males who are into other males are ok as long as they pretend they're straight, eh? LOL @ mentioning Prince's first couple of albums. Dirty Mind + Prince + Controversy + 1999 sales <<<< Off the Wall's sales The point is MJ was a good boy long before the mainstream caught up with Prince. OTW was the biggest black album ever, remember? Prince didn't become a huge star until Purple Rain in 1984. Thriller had already sold over 40 million copies by then. And I knew Clay was a homo since he first walked into his idol audition, so try again. I love his voice and I love his chill AC music. Should I apologize for hating overindulgent screeching over faux rock synths?
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Post by PDC1987 on Nov 25, 2009 13:15:25 GMT -5
DEAD at people's double standards! Gaga is a newcomer as well and she makes out with two girls on the Paparazzi video and no one complains. I just watched Adam's performance and I thought I was about to see "Real World: Sodom and Gomorrah" and what I saw was just things that have already been done by FEMALES with NO CENSORSHIP. I hate this double standards in society SO f**kING MUCH! I can see how little we have advanced in terms of equalty and rights for the gay community. Looks like it is another pose from society after all. How many times does it have to be said? Adam is complete and utter crap, that performance was cringe worthy, and he's not championing gay rights, he's perpetuating stereotypes.
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Post by PDC1987 on Nov 25, 2009 13:18:10 GMT -5
I'm personally not comparing him with those artists. I am comparing how people reacted after what he did and how they reacted after some female artists did exactly the same. Britney and Madonna (and Xtina, lol) were on cable TV, not network. The Gaga video was never shown on network TV.
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Post by ΣGØ.©[/IMG] on Nov 25, 2009 13:19:02 GMT -5
DEAD at people's double standards! Gaga is a newcomer as well and she makes out with two girls on the Paparazzi video and no one complains. I just watched Adam's performance and I thought I was about to see "Real World: Sodom and Gomorrah" and what I saw was just things that have already been done by FEMALES with NO CENSORSHIP. I hate this double standards in society SO f**kING MUCH! I can see how little we have advanced in terms of equalty and rights for the gay community. Looks like it is another pose from society after all. There is no "double standard". Real World is on MTV, and even they wouldn't show ALL OF THAT. Adam simulated getting a blowjob and literally fingered a backup dancer live on national television. And he's an idiot because him kissing the dude wasn't even the part that got censored.
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