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Post by bigbluenote on Dec 12, 2009 0:29:55 GMT -5
Wow! Congrats to Toby. Artist Of The Decade is a huge achievement. I really didn't expect that AT ALL. I would have though Tim, Keith Urban, or Kenny would have beat him. Impressive!
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Post by leilamaurizia on Dec 12, 2009 8:46:35 GMT -5
Dolly Parton and Carrie Underwood perform "I Will Always Love You"
(thanks to vinman for the HD cap!)
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Post by dfrogger on Dec 12, 2009 11:00:04 GMT -5
I was surprised by Toby getting the Artist of the Decade but pleasantly surprised! He always seems to be overlooked for awards but NOT this time! Congrats to TK!
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Post by joey2002 on Dec 12, 2009 11:45:08 GMT -5
I believe Toby has the most #1 hits this decade...but yeah i was also surprised to see him win.
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Post by drock89 on Dec 12, 2009 12:50:18 GMT -5
I was surprised by Toby getting the Artist of the Decade but pleasantly surprised! He always seems to be overlooked for awards but NOT this time! Congrats to TK! Just for clarification, Billboard's "awards" are statistically based and not voted on. They should not be referred to in the same category as the ACM, CMA, etc.
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Post by kevin59 on Dec 14, 2009 15:28:50 GMT -5
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Post by joey2002 on Dec 14, 2009 15:38:42 GMT -5
I was surprised by Toby getting the Artist of the Decade but pleasantly surprised! He always seems to be overlooked for awards but NOT this time! Congrats to TK! Just for clarification, Billboard's "awards" are statistically based and not voted on. They should not be referred to in the same category as the ACM, CMA, etc. I think Toby has certainly released the most albums this decade...
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Post by kevin59 on Dec 14, 2009 15:41:07 GMT -5
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 14, 2009 15:45:56 GMT -5
I believe Toby has the most #1 hits this decade...but yeah i was also surprised to see him win. Toby Keith has 16 #1 hits this decade, but Kenny Chesney has the most top tens with 28!
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Post by musicbuff78 on Dec 14, 2009 19:01:45 GMT -5
Definitely can't wait to check these out.
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Post by kevin59 on Dec 14, 2009 22:19:47 GMT -5
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Post by JJ on Dec 15, 2009 11:36:50 GMT -5
Jewel has tweeted that her next country album will probably be released in June 2010, with the first single coming out in the beginning of the year, much like Stronger Woman. The probable 1st single is Stay Here Forever, which Jewel just confirmed is gonna be in the big movie Valentine's Day. She's finishing the final mix today!
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Post by Marv on Dec 15, 2009 21:06:28 GMT -5
Congratulations are in order for Tim McGraw, who wound up #1 as the most-played radio artist of the decade across all genres, with 7,800.000 spins, according to Nielsen/BDS, as recently cited in USA TODAY (12-8-09).
Toby Keith finished second, followed by George Strait, Alan Jackson, Nickelback, Kenny Chesney, Rascal Flatts, Brooks & Dunn, Garth Brooks & Green Day.
Speaking of lists, there were seven songs which amassed more than 1,000,000 spins during the decade.
'Breathe', 'The Way You Love Me', and 'I Hope You Dance' finished fourth, sixth & seventh in that category.
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Post by RobbyFlorida on Dec 16, 2009 12:11:49 GMT -5
ACM Expands Entertainer Category To Eight Nominees mfbbq.th8.us
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Post by sbp17 on Dec 16, 2009 12:27:26 GMT -5
Dolly Parton and Carrie Underwood perform "I Will Always Love You" Thanks. They each sounded nice on their individual parts but coming together wasn't as magical as I was hoping. ACM Expands Entertainer Category To Eight Nominees mfbbq.th8.us Pointless. I don't know the reason really. I suppose it's a way of getting an extra female in the mix so it doesn't look male-dominated. The potential problem, however, is that if the voters have eight nominees to choose from and there is now a second female, you likely decrease the chances of a female winning the whole thing. And they're combining top new female and male where there are usually viable candidates but are separate top new duo from top new group where there usually are a lack of viable candidates. And then the fans will vote to determine Top New Artist overall. What a joke.
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Post by joey2002 on Dec 16, 2009 15:43:05 GMT -5
ACM Expands Entertainer Category To Eight Nominees mfbbq.th8.us Pointless. I don't know the reason really. I suppose it's a way of getting an extra female in the mix so it doesn't look male-dominated. The potential problem, however, is that if the voters have eight nominees to choose from and there is now a second female, you likely decrease the chances of a female winning the whole thing. And they're combining top new female and male where there are usually viable candidates but are separate top new duo from top new group where there usually are a lack of viable candidates. And then the fans will vote to determine Top New Artist overall. What a joke. I agree. If I remember correctly, Julianne Huff won top new artist over Zac Brown Band last year. I guess that's what happens when you let fans vote to determine the winner. Haven't seen you around lately sbp17, but I always enjoy reading your posts...
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Dec 16, 2009 15:47:14 GMT -5
ACM Expands Entertainer Category To Eight Nominees mfbbq.th8.us Pointless. I don't know the reason really. I suppose it's a way of getting an extra female in the mix so it doesn't look male-dominated. I think Bob Romeo's point is an interesting one, actually. He said the change was made to accommodate different perspectives on what makes for an Entertainer of the Year. Personally, I think that voting for the award has been too tour-centric, and expanding the field of nominees will potentially result in the inclusion of acts whose impact has been stronger in other areas. Acts like Sugarland and Carrie Underwood have a stronger chance of inclusion in an eight-nominee field. For me, they are and have been deserving of nominations in previous years -- Sugarland because of the dynamism and inventiveness of their live performances and music and Carrie because of her ambassadorship for the genre. With the expanded field, Miranda might even have a chance thanks to her critical acclaim if she impacts strongly enough as a commercial act. My own view is that ambassadorship should be the foremost consideration (and that Brad should have won this award a few times over at both the ACMs and CMAs). I don't think that criterion suddenly jumps to the fore in an expanded field, but I do think the expanded field forces the consideration of value added beyond gaudy touring numbers. And they're combining top new female and male where there are usually viable candidates but are separate top new duo from top new group where there usually are a lack of viable candidates. And then the fans will vote to determine Top New Artist overall. What a joke. This I agree with. The New Duo and Group categories have been thin to begin with. And with the genre's greater receptivity to new solo males than new solo females, the playing field just got a little harder for new females.
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Post by Blake on Dec 16, 2009 18:43:13 GMT -5
The industry organizations, both the Academy of Country Music and the Country Music Association, continue to make baffling choices that severely strain their credibility.
First off, I agree that the splitting of the Duo and Group categories is insane. Until the last 18-24 months, it was difficult enough to find viable candidates in the Top Vocal Duo and Top Vocal Group races, let alone the newcomer categories.
Expanding the Entertainer field to eight nominees is very similar to the decision made by the Oscars to boost their Best Picture nominees to ten. Both shifts were made to coerce more fans to tune in, but it just ends up devaluing the honor of being nominated, in my opinion. There would be no need to increase the amount of nominees if the voting academy would not focus so much on concert sales/live performances and instead consider the whole package that an artist brings to the table. In that way, Romeo's reasoning feels way off.
But the single biggest sore thumb is the fan voting. I think Carrie Underwood's win, at least by in-the-know insiders, journalists and the like, was considered less valuable due to the public participation. That's a shame---I feel that even critics of her musical output considered her as one of the top two or three deserving candidates. Certain artists, especially among the youth set, tend to draw more-passionate, more-willing-to-participate, dedicated fans, but it makes competing almost impossible for older, more-established artists (Paisley and Strait, for example. I don't see Strait's loyal, long-time fans voting online multiple times for any award.).
Given her CMA win and the expanded field, is there any doubt that Taylor Swift gets a nod? Is there any doubt she runs away with it? The ACM has never once disclosed how much the fan vote factors in, but you have to assume it's a healthy amount. Regardless of whether she deserves it or not, how does it feel to know the race is basically clinched before it begins?
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Post by WamuFive on Dec 16, 2009 18:44:02 GMT -5
Congratulations are in order for Tim McGraw, who wound up #1 as the most-played radio artist of the decade across all genres, with 7,800.000 spins, according to Nielsen/BDS, as recently cited in USA TODAY (12-8-09). Wow, that's amazing. Just imagine how much airplay he could have gotten had Curb chosen better songs to release as singles.
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Post by lyrichord on Dec 16, 2009 19:02:19 GMT -5
Congratulations are in order for Tim McGraw, who wound up #1 as the most-played radio artist of the decade across all genres, with 7,800.000 spins, according to Nielsen/BDS, as recently cited in USA TODAY (12-8-09). Toby Keith finished second, followed by George Strait, Alan Jackson, Nickelback, Kenny Chesney, Rascal Flatts, Brooks & Dunn, Garth Brooks & Green Day. How much was his margin of victory and how much did the "Over and Over" song with Nelly factor in? On the CMA/ACM award categories, I agree with those who think it is ridiculous to have separate awards for group and duo considering they really have to bend over backwards to fill out both categories and especially duo. Just combine them like the Grammies and there might be some degree of suspense over who's going to win once in a while. Sheesh.
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Post by WamuFive on Dec 16, 2009 20:44:27 GMT -5
I think Bob Romeo's point is an interesting one, actually. He said the change was made to accommodate different perspectives on what makes for an Entertainer of the Year. Personally, I think that voting for the award has been too tour-centric, and expanding the field of nominees will potentially result in the inclusion of acts whose impact has been stronger in other areas... My own view is that ambassadorship should be the foremost consideration (and that Brad should have won this award a few times over at both the ACMs and CMAs). I don't think that criterion suddenly jumps to the fore in an expanded field, but I do think the expanded field forces the consideration of value added beyond gaudy touring numbers. Expanding the number of nominees to eight doesn't change the fact that there can only be one winner and whatever the prevalent criterion that are used (concert ticket and album sales) will still determine who that winner is. Also, I could be wrong, but aren't there more than five artists on the sem-final ballots? So rather than taking the top five vote getters, wouldn't they just announce the top eight? I don't know that this move would "force any new perspectives", although it may refelct some that were previously hidden. I don't think that having three extra nominees will be a positive change for a couple of reasons. First, I agree that it will "cheapen the nomination" since the nominee "club" is less exclusive by design. Second, it will make for a higher number of disappointed fans when it comes time to announced the award. There will now be seven losing artists as opposed to four. At the end of the day, who is genunienly pleased when their favorite artist didn't win the awards they were nominated for? The merit of the awards are under enough scrutiny, how much consolation can there be in merely being a runner-up?
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Post by WamuFive on Dec 16, 2009 20:52:07 GMT -5
But the single biggest sore thumb is the fan voting. I think Carrie Underwood's win, at least by in-the-know insiders, journalists and the like, was considered less valuable due to the public participation. That's a shame---I feel that even critics of her musical output considered her as one of the top two or three deserving candidates. Certain artists, especially among the youth set, tend to draw more-passionate, more-willing-to-participate, dedicated fans, but it makes competing almost impossible for older, more-established artists (Paisley and Strait, for example. I don't see Strait's loyal, long-time fans voting online multiple times for any award.) I'm not sure that I follow you here. At one point, you seem to be validating Carrie's win. Later on, you seem to be validating the critics' point of view that certain artists have an inherent disadvantage by virtue of their fan base. I'm not quite sure if you are for or against the legitimacy of Carrie's win. ???
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Post by joey2002 on Dec 16, 2009 21:19:55 GMT -5
But the single biggest sore thumb is the fan voting. I think Carrie Underwood's win, at least by in-the-know insiders, journalists and the like, was considered less valuable due to the public participation. That's a shame---I feel that even critics of her musical output considered her as one of the top two or three deserving candidates. Certain artists, especially among the youth set, tend to draw more-passionate, more-willing-to-participate, dedicated fans, but it makes competing almost impossible for older, more-established artists (Paisley and Strait, for example. I don't see Strait's loyal, long-time fans voting online multiple times for any award.) I'm not sure that I follow you here. At one point, you seem to be validating Carrie's win. Later on, you seem to be validating the critics' point of view that certain artists have an inherent disadvantage by virtue of their fan base. I'm not quite sure if you are for or against the legitimacy of Carrie's win. ??? I believe what he's saying is that Carrie's win was considered less valuable due to the online public voting, which was a shame, because she may have won without the public voting system anyway. With the whole online voting idea, it basically eliminates the chances of the older male artists to compete with the younger generation fan-bases of Carrie & Taylor. So it can ruin the whole accuracy of the award -- a perfect example was Julieanne Hough beating Zac Brown Band last year for new artist of the year.
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Post by leilamaurizia on Dec 16, 2009 21:34:30 GMT -5
Is there even any doubt that Taylor will win EOTY at the 2010 ACMs? Nomination lock + fan voting = sure thing. Come on, her fans even got Gloriana the American Music Awards' Breakthrough Artist win over Lady GaGa! You know the only person who will be shocked with the EOTY win? Taylor.
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Post by Blake on Dec 16, 2009 21:38:42 GMT -5
Sorry----let me try to clear it up. I'm of the opinion that having a fan vote is less legitimate than having industry experts (music industry professionals, journalists, etc.) select the winner. A number of awards (Billboard, MTV Video Awards, CMT) use the public participation method, and that's fine. But I think the Grammys, CMAs and ACMs should work to choose the best candidates by having a knowledgeable group of people pick the winners. I'd never claim they always make the right decisions, but it does help control the quality of the victors.
I feel Carrie Underwood was a deserving winner at this year's ACMs and she could have very well won under the old system. I have issues with the new fan voting, though, due to the inherent issues with internet ballots. At this point in time, many country fans are still not active internet users, especially among older generations. Someone like Alan Jackson, George Strait or Reba McEntire would never win ACM Entertainer with fan voting in place---their core audience is just simply not as tech-savvy. It's an ageist policy.
In summary, I think a lot of folks like me dislike the fact that the ACMs allow the internet vote and are so unclear about how the winner is selected (How much does the internet vote count? How much does the ACM member vote count?). Still, I didn't have a sense that anyone, including myself, in the critics' community begrudged Carrie for winning that particular award. She'd had a massively-successful tour, strong record sales and a couple good radio hits, along with the "ambassador" qualities needed to win.
Again, can we just announce Taylor Swift as the next ACM Entertainer of the Year? I don't think the honor is totally undeserved (though I think Brad Paisley is way overdue), but her fanbase's devotion to online voting makes it a near-certainty. (I've seen a few message boards for various artists that have learned how to trick the system and cast multiple ballots---another issue I have with fan participation.) Unlike the CMAs, there will be no anticipation when it comes to that award. Who cares if there are eight nominees when the one winner is guaranteed?
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Post by Blake on Dec 16, 2009 21:45:18 GMT -5
Thanks to joey2002 for following my train of thought! Also, Jamey Johnson was in the early running for Best New Artist last year, but lost the Best New Male Vocalist trophy to the far-inferior Jake Owen, all due to the fan vote. And, as I just mentioned, Carrie's win didn't seem to be criticized, but Julianne Hough's win was laughable considering the competition.
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Post by joey2002 on Dec 16, 2009 21:50:59 GMT -5
Is there even any doubt that Taylor will win EOTY at the 2010 ACMs? Nomination lock + fan voting = sure thing. Come on, her fans even got Gloriana the American Music Awards' Breakthrough Artist win over Lady GaGa! You know the only person who will be shocked with the EOTY win? Taylor. Very true! The Gloriana win over Lady Gaga was a classic example of fan voting...
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Post by WamuFive on Dec 16, 2009 22:31:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification. That makes perfect sense and I agree with pretty much everything you said.
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Post by sbp17 on Dec 16, 2009 22:38:13 GMT -5
Haven't seen you around lately sbp17, but I always enjoy reading your posts... What a nice thing to say. Part of the reason for my absence is that I was on vacation in Egypt. Additionally, I'm a huge fan of Reba so I can't pass up her thread but the 'chicken little' slant that has taken over the thread of late is irritating, at best. You know the only person who will be shocked with the EOTY win? Taylor. That was sooooooo funny.
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Post by borey147 on Dec 16, 2009 23:53:22 GMT -5
I agree. I don't really see the ACMs as credible because of the fan-voting; there's too many ways that fanatics can manipulate how to cast votes so that their artist wins. I like Taylor, but come on...there's so many teenagers that probably sign up to vote just because she writes a blog about it, without giving consideration to any of the other artists involved. She has a tremendous following, which is admirable for her ability to bring new fans to the genre, but it comes back to what everyone else is saying about the older artists and ageism. Same goes for Carrie, too. I appreciate it, but now that Kenny is going to be out of the picture for a little while, it'd be nice to see Brad or someone else win EOTY for once. I don't even want to get started on New Artist.....their ridiculousness is beyond my comprehension.
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