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Post by bigbluenote on Dec 17, 2009 1:15:40 GMT -5
Is there even any doubt that Taylor will win EOTY at the 2010 ACMs? Nomination lock + fan voting = sure thing. Come on, her fans even got Gloriana the American Music Awards' Breakthrough Artist win over Lady GaGa! You know the only person who will be shocked with the EOTY win? Taylor. You said exactly what I was thinking.....without all of my irritation. Why doesn't the industry leave the fan voted awards to the People's Choice Awards? This fan voting crap is giving the ACM's less and less credibility.
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Post by yosafbridge on Dec 17, 2009 10:09:21 GMT -5
The industry organizations, both the Academy of Country Music and the Country Music Association, continue to make baffling choices that severely strain their credibility. First off, I agree that the splitting of the Duo and Group categories is insane. Until the last 18-24 months, it was difficult enough to find viable candidates in the Top Vocal Duo and Top Vocal Group races, let alone the newcomer categories. Expanding the Entertainer field to eight nominees is very similar to the decision made by the Oscars to boost their Best Picture nominees to ten. Both shifts were made to coerce more fans to tune in, but it just ends up devaluing the honor of being nominated, in my opinion. There would be no need to increase the amount of nominees if the voting academy would not focus so much on concert sales/live performances and instead consider the whole package that an artist brings to the table. In that way, Romeo's reasoning feels way off. But the single biggest sore thumb is the fan voting. I think Carrie Underwood's win, at least by in-the-know insiders, journalists and the like, was considered less valuable due to the public participation. That's a shame---I feel that even critics of her musical output considered her as one of the top two or three deserving candidates. Certain artists, especially among the youth set, tend to draw more-passionate, more-willing-to-participate, dedicated fans, but it makes competing almost impossible for older, more-established artists (Paisley and Strait, for example. I don't see Strait's loyal, long-time fans voting online multiple times for any award.). Given her CMA win and the expanded field, is there any doubt that Taylor Swift gets a nod? Is there any doubt she runs away with it? The ACM has never once disclosed how much the fan vote factors in, but you have to assume it's a healthy amount. Regardless of whether she deserves it or not, how does it feel to know the race is basically clinched before it begins? Your points are well taken but you should look at the silver lining. Reading between the lines of what Bob Romeo said,under the old system,touring numbers was the overriding factor in deciding the 5 nominees for ACM EOTY.What that translates to is that the acts with the 5 biggest tours almost invariably ended up as the 5 nominees shortlisted. If this old system with its stringent touring criterion was still in place for the 2010 ACMs,there is a HIGH probability that the final five would be ONE lone female with the 4 other usual(male)suspects of Strait,Paisley,Urban and Chesney/Flatts. And that one female nom would not be Carrie. Taylor's Fearless Tour is easily in the top 5 country acts considering touring numbers only. Taylor would easily get nominated under the old system where they considered tour figures alone. OTOH,there is doubt that Carrie's upcoming tour can beat the other 4 males for sheer tour numbers. Is Taylor a heavy favorite to win ACM EOTY? Sure! But with the NEW expanded nominee list and the more relaxed criteria to make it into the shortlist,Carrie(and Miranda)now have the opportunity to be nominated and at least have the fighting chance to win the ACM EOTY. This new system benefits the other females not named Taylor by allowing them a look-in.Under the old system,the 2010 ACMs would have seen Carrie Underwood shut out of even the nominations.
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Post by WamuFive on Dec 17, 2009 10:22:03 GMT -5
But with the NEW expanded nominee list and the more relaxed criteria to make it into the shortlist,Carrie(and Miranda)now have the opportunity to be nominated and at least have the fighting chance to win the ACM EOTY. How? I don't understand how expanding the nominees to eight will give an artist who previously wouldn't have made the top 5 a chance at winning the award. The suggested criteria for the award has long been established and to my knowledge, is not changing. People are going to interpret that criteria based on their personal perspectives. I don't see how merely changing the number of nominees could or should change who the eventual winner is. Also, didn't Carrie Underwood win the EOTY last year? She had to have had more than just a "fighting chance". It's not exactly as if she's been snubbed for nominations or awards for that matter. As for Miranda, I think a lot of her, but I don't see how she's had enough impact or exposure to be considered for the award at this stage of her career so I certainly don't feel that giving an artist like her a "fighting chance" is a reasonable justification for expanding the nominee field to eight. If anything, it gives more reason to doubt the legitimacy of all candidates.
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Dec 17, 2009 10:32:08 GMT -5
Is there even any doubt that Taylor will win EOTY at the 2010 ACMs? Nomination lock + fan voting = sure thing. Come on, her fans even got Gloriana the American Music Awards' Breakthrough Artist win over Lady GaGa! You know the only person who will be shocked with the EOTY win? Taylor. HA! I can already see her , wide eyed with her hand over her open mouth!
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Post by yosafbridge on Dec 17, 2009 11:18:02 GMT -5
How? I don't understand how expanding the nominees to eight will give an artist who previously wouldn't have made the top 5 a chance at winning the award. The suggested criteria for the award has long been established and to my knowledge, is not changing. People are going to interpret that criteria based on their personal perspectives. I don't see how merely changing the number of nominees could or should change who the eventual winner is. OLD SYSTEM = Taylor vs 4 guys--->fans vote---> Taylor wins NEW SYSTEM = Taylor vs Carrie vs 6 others--->fans vote---->Taylor and Carrie split the female vote, a guy wins OR Taylor wins OR Carrie wins. At least under the new system,there's a chance for someone not named Taylor Swift to win.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Dec 17, 2009 11:32:13 GMT -5
I think Bob Romeo's point is an interesting one, actually. He said the change was made to accommodate different perspectives on what makes for an Entertainer of the Year. Personally, I think that voting for the award has been too tour-centric, and expanding the field of nominees will potentially result in the inclusion of acts whose impact has been stronger in other areas... My own view is that ambassadorship should be the foremost consideration (and that Brad should have won this award a few times over at both the ACMs and CMAs). I don't think that criterion suddenly jumps to the fore in an expanded field, but I do think the expanded field forces the consideration of value added beyond gaudy touring numbers. Expanding the number of nominees to eight doesn't change the fact that there can only be one winner and whatever the prevalent criterion that are used (concert ticket and album sales) will still determine who that winner is. Also, I could be wrong, but aren't there more than five artists on the sem-final ballots? So rather than taking the top five vote getters, wouldn't they just announce the top eight? I don't know that this move would "force any new perspectives", although it may refelct some that were previously hidden. Well, my thought was this: a five nominee category has generally resulted in five acts who were nominated for the same reason (impact tour), and the result when everyone is nominated for the same reason has been the deciding of that category based on that reason at the expense of other factors (Carrie might have been the exception, since her case for the nomination was more about ambassadorship for the genre relative to the other nominees; her commercial impact qualified her for the nomination in voters' eyes, but I don't think it could have won the category for her). Expanding the category might result in the inclusion of acts whose primary case for the nomination is not the commercial impact of their respective tours. That might dilute the importance of that particular criterion in voters' minds when deciding between the slate of eight, since they might now weigh the value of, say, Sugarland's dynamic live performances and musical experimentation against Kenny's stadium draw. But you're probably right. These changes tend to yield far less interesting results than one would imagine or hope because the voters are ultimately less interesting than many of us would hope. And the inclusion of fan-voting, to the extent that it is deciding factor in the Entertainer category, makes next year's ACM Entertainer race even less interesting.
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Post by Stephen on Dec 17, 2009 18:02:11 GMT -5
The industry organizations, both the Academy of Country Music and the Country Music Association, continue to make baffling choices that severely strain their credibility. First off, I agree that the splitting of the Duo and Group categories is insane. Until the last 18-24 months, it was difficult enough to find viable candidates in the Top Vocal Duo and Top Vocal Group races, let alone the newcomer categories. Expanding the Entertainer field to eight nominees is very similar to the decision made by the Oscars to boost their Best Picture nominees to ten. Both shifts were made to coerce more fans to tune in, but it just ends up devaluing the honor of being nominated, in my opinion. There would be no need to increase the amount of nominees if the voting academy would not focus so much on concert sales/live performances and instead consider the whole package that an artist brings to the table. In that way, Romeo's reasoning feels way off. But the single biggest sore thumb is the fan voting. I think Carrie Underwood's win, at least by in-the-know insiders, journalists and the like, was considered less valuable due to the public participation. That's a shame---I feel that even critics of her musical output considered her as one of the top two or three deserving candidates. Certain artists, especially among the youth set, tend to draw more-passionate, more-willing-to-participate, dedicated fans, but it makes competing almost impossible for older, more-established artists (Paisley and Strait, for example. I don't see Strait's loyal, long-time fans voting online multiple times for any award.). Given her CMA win and the expanded field, is there any doubt that Taylor Swift gets a nod? Is there any doubt she runs away with it? The ACM has never once disclosed how much the fan vote factors in, but you have to assume it's a healthy amount. Regardless of whether she deserves it or not, how does it feel to know the race is basically clinched before it begins? Your points are well taken but you should look at the silver lining. Reading between the lines of what Bob Romeo said,under the old system,touring numbers was the overriding factor in deciding the 5 nominees for ACM EOTY.What that translates to is that the acts with the 5 biggest tours almost invariably ended up as the 5 nominees shortlisted. If this old system with its stringent touring criterion was still in place for the 2010 ACMs,there is a HIGH probability that the final five would be ONE lone female with the 4 other usual(male)suspects of Strait,Paisley,Urban and Chesney/Flatts. And that one female nom would not be Carrie. Taylor's Fearless Tour is easily in the top 5 country acts considering touring numbers only. Taylor would easily get nominated under the old system where they considered tour figures alone. OTOH,there is doubt that Carrie's upcoming tour can beat the other 4 males for sheer tour numbers. Is Taylor a heavy favorite to win ACM EOTY? Sure! But with the NEW expanded nominee list and the more relaxed criteria to make it into the shortlist,Carrie(and Miranda)now have the opportunity to be nominated and at least have the fighting chance to win the ACM EOTY. This new system benefits the other females not named Taylor by allowing them a look-in.Under the old system,the 2010 ACMs would have seen Carrie Underwood shut out of even the nominations. Where is there doubt about Carrie doing less than the other four males? She's never done better so there are no expectations for her to do better. Plus, Taylor's got this award sewn up already both at the ACMs and, I'd be willing to bet, at the CMAs. The expansion of the category is pretty pointless, since no matter who else joins the race, Taylor won't lose. Oh and yosaf, drop the condescending shtick. Carrie Underwood has a fighting chance with or without the expansion, so quit bashing. You're quite transparent.
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Dec 17, 2009 18:53:17 GMT -5
Oh and yosaf, drop the condescending shtick. Carrie Underwood has a fighting chance with or without the expansion, so quit bashing. You're quite transparent. It's not your place to call out another poster for tone, and all you do by allowing yourself to get baited into snippiness is put yourself in line to be warned. Everyone here, in the Country forum in particular, knows that posting histories (yours and yosafbridge's, for example) provide context for the meaning of posts. Posting histories also help clarify whether it's worth taking a post seriously or not. We're perfectly capable of identifying overinvested fandom, bait, and disingenuousness, however veiled. If there is actually a rules infraction at issue, the way to handle it is via PM to the neighborhood moderator or another staff member. Don't derail a thread by taking up the issue on the board. That obviously applies even more if the issue is an annoyance rather than a rules infraction.
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Post by WamuFive on Dec 17, 2009 19:19:51 GMT -5
OLD SYSTEM = Taylor vs 4 guys--->fans vote---> Taylor wins NEW SYSTEM = Taylor vs Carrie vs 6 others--->fans vote---->Taylor and Carrie split the female vote, a guy wins OR Taylor wins OR Carrie wins. At least under the new system,there's a chance for someone not named Taylor Swift to win. I guess this would all depend on how much the fans' vote counts. If the fans' vote truly does impact the award the way you say it will, then what it boils down to is a popularity contest--which aritst is most popular with the online voting community? In my eyes, this further removes credibility from the award. In my humble opinion: Expanding the nominations to eight: unnecessary. Allowing the fans to vote: degrading. What a joke this award is becoming.
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Post by WamuFive on Dec 17, 2009 20:35:42 GMT -5
Hey, maybe the Soggy Bottom Boys will get nominated and win... I hear they've got a strong internet following...this may finally be the chance for the Soggy Bottom Boys to rise to the top!
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Post by elcamino on Dec 17, 2009 21:14:30 GMT -5
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Post by elcamino on Dec 18, 2009 12:28:19 GMT -5
The Lovell Sisters as a trio is saying farewell. Jessica is leaving to go to school and getting married the others will staty on as as a duo. 5 years ago The Lovell Sisters played their first gig at the Signal Mountain Opry .... 36 states, 9 countries, and hundreds of concerts later, .... The Lovell Sisters are saying Farewell. The past 5 years of our lives have been absolutely amazing! From MerleFest to Bonnaroo, from across the U.S. to across Europe, from our hometown of Calhoun to the Grand Ole Opry in Nashville, TN, unforgettable experience after unforgettable experience .... And we have no one but you, our dedicated friends and listeners, to thank for all our wonderful memories. Looking Forward, Jessica will be attending college Spring 2010, and also wishes to announce her recent engagement to long-time boyfriend, Tyler Kiley! Megan and Rebecca will continue on making music together, so be sure to stay tuned for new and exciting sound waves coming from this dynamic duo! www.lovellsistersband.com/
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Post by Ten Pound Hammer on Dec 18, 2009 13:20:29 GMT -5
Who the heck's going to win NEW duo every year from here on out? Fast Ryde? Hanna-McEuen (not that I'd complain about that one)? Would they count Jack Blanchard & Misty Morgan as "new" just because they forgot that JB&MM had several hits in the 1970s?
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Post by Dustin J. on Dec 18, 2009 13:59:19 GMT -5
From Country Aircheck...
Show Dog-Universal Announced: The long-rumored merger of Universal South and Show Dog Nashville (first tipped in CAT 12/14) has been consummated with the creation of Show Dog-Universal Music. Show Dog's Toby Keith is Principal of the new label with Universal South's Mark Wright as President. Details on the makeup of the newly combined label's staff and roster are still pending.
"Show Dog-Universal will still have the feeling of being an independent label with strong and personal relationships with all our artists," Keith says. "That is what Show Dog Nashville and Universal South have always been about, but combine the two labels and you have a powerhouse with more staff and better opportunities for our artists. I look forward to working closely with my friend and partner Mark Wright."
"The launch of this new company creates even more value for our combined artists, employees and business partners," Wright adds. "Together, our best-in-class team will create even more opportunities for our artists, while expanding the services we offer. This is truly one-plus-one equaling three. Moreover, I am delighted to be partnering with Toby, with whom I have shared a close friendship for many years. His remarkable achievements as an artist and businessman define creative leadership at its very best. He will be invaluable to taking this company to even greater heights."
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 18, 2009 14:48:32 GMT -5
Just by looking at the last chart of the year, that means the following are now labelmates (of course, there are others): Toby Keith, Joe Nichols, Randy Houser, Phil Vassar, Trailer Choir, and Jonathan Singleton and The Grove. What a group of artists!
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Post by phil1996 on Dec 18, 2009 16:15:58 GMT -5
Toby can now help out Houser choose songs that don't involve him oversinging in them.
Although I guarentee a slower song that shows off Housers terrific voice after Whistlin' Dixie becomes a hit.
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Post by kevin59 on Dec 18, 2009 22:19:28 GMT -5
New Video by The McClymonts - "Wrapped Up Good"
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Post by Kanenrá:ke on Dec 20, 2009 10:20:21 GMT -5
The roster should now look like this
Ashley Ray Baylie Brown Carter's Chord Cross Canadian Ragweed Eli Young Band Joe Nichols Jonathan Singleton & The Grove Kevin Costner & Modern West Mac McAnally Mica Roberts Phil Vassar Randy Houser Sons Of Sylvia
also will this be like how Big Machine and Valory are sister labels but stay separate or will they be completly combined? Toby Keith Trailer Choir
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Post by countryfan2002 on Dec 20, 2009 19:23:51 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood and Mike Fisher are engaged.
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Post by dfrogger on Dec 20, 2009 20:11:38 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood and Mike Fisher are engaged. and you know this how? what is your source?
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Post by joey2002 on Dec 20, 2009 20:24:02 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood and Mike Fisher are engaged. and you know this how? what is your source? Me of course -- my real name is Mike Fisher!
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Post by dfrogger on Dec 20, 2009 20:25:39 GMT -5
^^^you are a NUT...lol...only in your dreams could that be!
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Post by countryfan2002 on Dec 20, 2009 20:29:54 GMT -5
^^^you are a NUT...lol...only in your dreams could that be! Mike's cousin posted it on twitter. And don't bag on Joey!
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Post by dfrogger on Dec 20, 2009 20:36:40 GMT -5
^^hey you can get fixed up with the fake Carrie on twitter! you still have a chance...get the ring ready! and having said that ..I would not think "twitter" is a reliable source.
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Post by countryfan2002 on Dec 20, 2009 20:39:30 GMT -5
^^^you are a NUT...lol...only in your dreams could that be! yeah, i guess i waited too long with my wedding proposal to carrie... :( Plus, you already told us you were the Cowboy Casanova in Carrie's video and that your real name was Taylor Swift, so we didn't really believe it anyway.
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Post by joey2002 on Dec 20, 2009 20:43:14 GMT -5
^^hey you can get fixed up with the fake Carrie on twitter! you still have a chance...get the ring ready! hey I suppose I could also save money & give the "fake carrie" a "fake ring"...
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Post by countryfan2002 on Dec 20, 2009 21:09:32 GMT -5
Ok, sorry for sparking a rumor, but the guy on twitter who confirmed Carrie/Mike's engagement was apparently not Mike's cousin, affiliated with Mike's cousin, or even anywhere close to knowing Mike and Carrie, so sorry for misleading ya'll! And Joey, you better jump on this opportunity!!
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Post by avalyn on Dec 21, 2009 9:32:21 GMT -5
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Post by kevin59 on Dec 21, 2009 23:11:25 GMT -5
Song by Lorrie Morgan - "I Walk Alone" from album - (I Walk Alone)
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Dec 22, 2009 16:54:36 GMT -5
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