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Post by clarksodi on Dec 10, 2009 13:18:18 GMT -5
That Tedder interview was very diplomatic given what she did. SMH @ people attacking him over it . I'm actually with you on this one.
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Post by wallace on Dec 10, 2009 13:20:02 GMT -5
At some point you Kelly Clarkson fans have to f@cking get over it Preach. Ah, new day, new tune - suddenly you're the one who wants to talk about Ryan Tedder. Or, rather, just stir the pot. Content-free snark is always a loser in any argument.
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Post by Mike on Dec 10, 2009 13:21:21 GMT -5
Eh. They both made mistakes. He shouldn't have made so many recycled songs and she should learn when to keep her mouth closed. At the end of the day he obviously feels one way and she feels another. I'll be really surprised if they work together again.
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Post by neally on Dec 10, 2009 13:28:55 GMT -5
Eh. They both made mistakes. He shouldn't have made so many recycled songs and she should learn when to keep her mouth closed. At the end of the day he obviously feels one way and she feels another. I'll be really surprised if they work together again. ^^^ 100% agree with this. We'll just have to wait for the official Kelly Clarkson autobiography to hear the real story. That book, if it ever sees the light of day, will be a HIGHLY interesting read.
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Post by kt1990 on Dec 10, 2009 13:59:34 GMT -5
YAY AG new peak at 13!!!!
I was NOT expecting that. But i guess it's pretty safe to say that this time it really is the final peak. With all the controversy surrounding this song, number 13 does seem kinda fitting, lol. Top 10 woulda looked so nice though, oh well.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Dec 10, 2009 14:29:46 GMT -5
Eh. They both made mistakes.
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Post by wallace on Dec 10, 2009 15:13:59 GMT -5
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Post by Oprah on Dec 10, 2009 15:21:13 GMT -5
Ah, new day, new tune - suddenly you're the one who wants to talk about Ryan Tedder. Or, rather, just stir the pot. Content-free snark is always a loser in any argument. How do you figure? I was saying there that you should drop it already instead of trying to involve Alicia in this fiasco, and then I go into Kelly's threads and see Tedder's being crucified by her fans for giving a pretty civil response to the issue. I wouldn't have commented on his statement at all if there wasn't once again a completely delusional, ridiculous reaction to this hot mess coming from Kelly's fanbase. I'd rather this die down already, but if people are going to make ridiculous posts that I disagree with I'm going to give my two cents. If you'd prefer to ignore comments that aren't wholly positive towards your goddess (and let's be real, that's all this is about for you) than feel free to ignore.
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Post by dbhmr on Dec 10, 2009 15:52:06 GMT -5
That's cool she made the top 10--I pretty much agree with that list. Though I think she had the potential to be as high as #4 on this list, it didn't quite work out that way. Still been a good year to Kelly, and I look forward to many more!
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Post by kellybcfan98 on Dec 10, 2009 15:53:21 GMT -5
wow she sounded flawless last week. :o and awesome she'll hit 800k in 2/3 weeks!!!
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Post by kylecburke on Dec 10, 2009 16:09:49 GMT -5
wooot!! so happy she made the top 20 year end and #13 on hot 100 WOOT!
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Post by neally on Dec 10, 2009 16:20:39 GMT -5
Kris Allen as interviewed by a radio station and asked an interesting question (choose the Kris Allen interview video and scroll to 4:35 once it loads): www.khop.com/video.asp______________________________________________________________ iTunes update: 7. My Life Would Suck Without You (Glee Cast Version) - Glee Cast (album) 112.My Life Would Suck Without You (Glee Cast Version)- Glee Cast (single) 158.My Life Would Suck Without You- Kelly Clarkson (single) (+ > 142 pre-Glee :o )
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Post by wallace on Dec 10, 2009 16:32:39 GMT -5
Oprah, I've argued the merits of this issue repeatedly and am perfectly willing to do so again. I have said before that I didn't think it was the wisest decision for her to speak out on this point, but I understand why she did so given that her integrity was being called into question. I've also said repeatedly that RCA was in the right to overrule her and release the single anyway. But I blame Tedder for instigating this whole mess because he keeps recycling the same track with the most minor of variations to multiple artists (and the Alicia song suggests he is still doing it).
You're the one who seems wedded to the idea that nobody but Kelly is at fault in this situation, but insist on pushing that agenda with this passive-aggressive "why don't I tell you to drop the issue and then declare I won the argument" nonsense. All I am saying is, put up or shut up - say your piece or drop the subject.
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Post by r.enato on Dec 10, 2009 17:25:18 GMT -5
It's nice to see how much recognition Kelly is getting on all this decade lists. She's really a great artist. I'm proud of her.
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Post by rv1709 on Dec 10, 2009 17:48:15 GMT -5
Oprah, I've argued the merits of this issue repeatedly and am perfectly willing to do so again. I have said before that I didn't think it was the wisest decision for her to speak out on this point, but I understand why she did so given that her integrity was being called into question. I've also said repeatedly that RCA was in the right to overrule her and release the single anyway. But I blame Tedder for instigating this whole mess because he keeps recycling the same track with the most minor of variations to multiple artists (and the Alicia song suggests he is still doing it). You're the one who seems wedded to the idea that nobody but Kelly is at fault in this situation, but insist on pushing that agenda with this passive-aggressive "why don't I tell you to drop the issue and then declare I won the argument" nonsense. All I am saying is, put up or shut up - say your piece or drop the subject. +100 I like you.
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Post by Rumors on Dec 10, 2009 17:53:58 GMT -5
Ryan got the swine flu on the Rob Thomas tour. I'm glad to hear he is feeling better and yes, he needs to slow down. As for the AG part, I guess he said what he felt about the whole thing just as Kelly did. It's really a no win situation for both of them and I can kind of see Kelly's point but I think she handled it poorly. Of well, this won't make or break the career of either artist and it ended up being a nice hit for both of them. And yeah, I definitely don't see them working together again. Kelly putting out the word that she was willing to take the high road and work with him again surely went over well in his circle. What an insult.
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Post by kmbgs on Dec 10, 2009 18:04:42 GMT -5
Let's not forget that Ryan is undoubtedly making some big bucks off of his collaborations with Kelly, it's not like SHE didn't help HIM either.
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Post by wallace on Dec 10, 2009 18:17:01 GMT -5
It will be pretty amusing if after all the controversy, IICHY ends up as the next single (I'm still pulling for that or AIEW).
End of the day, I think the success of this song means Tedder will face no consequences. If the song had tanked and been blamed on the similarities to Halo, RCA would probably have been upset at him for double-dealing, but as long as the song is a commercial success, RCA could care less; if they could make money by literally having every artist release the same song every time, they would.
As for Kelly, she and RCA have already burned their bridges with each other...I doubt this will discourage anyone else from working with her, given how uniformly and effusively positive everyone who has worked with her over the years has been about the experience and about her personally.
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Post by wallace on Dec 10, 2009 18:51:04 GMT -5
Fun videos from the Corpus Christi show
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Post by Oprah on Dec 10, 2009 19:45:49 GMT -5
You're the one who seems wedded to the idea that nobody but Kelly is at fault in this situation, but insist on pushing that agenda with this passive-aggressive "why don't I tell you to drop the issue and then declare I won the argument" nonsense. All I am saying is, put up or shut up - say your piece or drop the subject. This isn't true at all - I said from the get go that AG and Halo are incredibly similar and that Tedder is a hot mess of a producer. Long before Kelly came out and said it herself. I just don't think she's handled herself professionally in the slightest, and the attempts by her fans on this board to constantly spin her actions to make them seem justified are ridiculous. It just flabbergasts me seeing people call him a douchebag for what he said when it was completely professional and diplomatic - if anything, it's the way Kelly should've approached the situation in the first place. Your post in the Alicia thread just came off as another attempt to put Tedder down and boost Kelly up and obviously no one in that thread would care about that agenda. Furthermore, you say that you see flaws with what Kelly said but you've been trying to build her side of the story up consistently since this first went down, so I find that very hard to believe. You also always say you're sick of this argument yet it seems to always be you who has latest updates on it.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on Dec 10, 2009 20:00:54 GMT -5
It's good to see Kelly on these year-ends lists - AIEW may not be performing as well as expected sales-wise, but she's been a chart/award show/gossip staple since January and had three singles last her all year.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Dec 10, 2009 20:10:45 GMT -5
This isn't true at all - I said from the get go that AG and Halo are incredibly similar and that Tedder is a hot mess of a producer. Long before Kelly came out and said it herself. I just don't think she's handled herself professionally in the slightest, and the attempts by her fans on this board to constantly spin her actions to make them seem justified are ridiculous. It just flabbergasts me seeing people call him a douchebag for what he said when it was completely professional and diplomatic - if anything, it's the way Kelly should've approached the situation in the first place. Your post in the Alicia thread just came off as another attempt to put Tedder down and boost Kelly up and obviously no one in that thread would care about that agenda. Furthermore, you say that you see flaws with what Kelly said but you've been trying to build her side of the story up consistently since this first went down, so I find that very hard to believe. You also always say you're sick of this argument yet it seems to always be you who has latest updates on it. There is an abundance of generalization happening all over the board. Not every Kelly fan agrees with the way she handled the situation or is trying to spin it. I have noticed that most members here tend to take the actions of a few fans and apply those actions to the entire group. Because of this I find comments like "attempts by her fans on this board to constantly spin her actions to make them seem justified are ridiculous" to be ridiculous. This is exactly the reason why so many artist's fanbases here have bad reputations. With that said, I suppose some Kelly fans question your ability to be unbiased in regard to anything Kelly (justifiably) given your history with her on Pulse.
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Post by Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 20:13:19 GMT -5
This isn't true at all - I said from the get go that AG and Halo are incredibly similar and that Tedder is a hot mess of a producer. Long before Kelly came out and said it herself. I just don't think she's handled herself professionally in the slightest, and the attempts by her fans on this board to constantly spin her actions to make them seem justified are ridiculous. It just flabbergasts me seeing people call him a douchebag for what he said when it was completely professional and diplomatic - if anything, it's the way Kelly should've approached the situation in the first place. Your post in the Alicia thread just came off as another attempt to put Tedder down and boost Kelly up and obviously no one in that thread would care about that agenda. Furthermore, you say that you see flaws with what Kelly said but you've been trying to build her side of the story up consistently since this first went down, so I find that very hard to believe. You also always say you're sick of this argument yet it seems to always be you who has latest updates on it. There is an abundance of generalization happening all over the board. Not every Kelly fan agrees with the way she handled the situation or is trying to spin it. I have noticed that most members here tend to take the actions of a few fans and apply those actions to the entire group. Because of this I find comments like "attempts by her fans on this board to constantly spin her actions to make them seem justified are ridiculous" to be ridiculous. This is exactly the reason why so many artist's fanbases here have bad reputations. With that said, I suppose some Kelly fans question your ability to be unbiased in regard to anything Kelly (justifiably) given your history with her on Pulse. I agree about the generalization, but Oprah has been complimentary about Kelly before. He even recently recalled his dislike for MLWSWY and deemed it one of his favorites.
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Post by Oprah on Dec 10, 2009 20:20:49 GMT -5
Those generalizations exist for a reason, and we wouldn't have awards for best & worst fanbases on this board if certain groups weren't associated with good or bad behavior. I'm not saying every Kelly fan acts or thinks a certain way; I know there are some who were able to admit that her actions were immature, but the wide majority have handled this ridiculously from the get-go.
I actually like Kelly, and I've told you that before. It's her fanbase, especially on this board, that irritates me. At least most other fanbases on Pulse can see how insane they act, poke fun at themselves, and st@n facetiously at times; Kelly's fans may not be as aggressive as most, but they're the only ones who idolize their diva without any sense of irony and I think that's worse.
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Post by QAF on Dec 10, 2009 20:24:50 GMT -5
This isn't true at all - I said from the get go that AG and Halo are incredibly similar and that Tedder is a hot mess of a producer. Long before Kelly came out and said it herself. I just don't think she's handled herself professionally in the slightest, and the attempts by her fans on this board to constantly spin her actions to make them seem justified are ridiculous. It just flabbergasts me seeing people call him a douchebag for what he said when it was completely professional and diplomatic - if anything, it's the way Kelly should've approached the situation in the first place. Your post in the Alicia thread just came off as another attempt to put Tedder down and boost Kelly up and obviously no one in that thread would care about that agenda. Furthermore, you say that you see flaws with what Kelly said but you've been trying to build her side of the story up consistently since this first went down, so I find that very hard to believe. You also always say you're sick of this argument yet it seems to always be you who has latest updates on it. There is an abundance of generalization happening all over the board. Not every Kelly fan agrees with the way she handled the situation or is trying to spin it. I have noticed that most members here tend to take the actions of a few fans and apply those actions to the entire group. Because of this I find comments like "attempts by her fans on this board to constantly spin her actions to make them seem justified are ridiculous" to be ridiculous. This is exactly the reason why so many artist's fanbases here have bad reputations. With that said, I suppose some Kelly fans question your ability to be unbiased in regard to anything Kelly (justifiably) given your history with her on Pulse. I so agree with your post. Why are all Kelly fans generalized? I haven't said a damn thing either way.
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Post by Oprah on Dec 10, 2009 20:27:30 GMT -5
There is an abundance of generalization happening all over the board. Not every Kelly fan agrees with the way she handled the situation or is trying to spin it. I have noticed that most members here tend to take the actions of a few fans and apply those actions to the entire group. Because of this I find comments like "attempts by her fans on this board to constantly spin her actions to make them seem justified are ridiculous" to be ridiculous. This is exactly the reason why so many artist's fanbases here have bad reputations. With that said, I suppose some Kelly fans question your ability to be unbiased in regard to anything Kelly (justifiably) given your history with her on Pulse. I so agree with your post. Why are all Kelly fans generalized? I haven't said a damn thing either way. Every fanbase here is generalized. I don't like to think of myself as a near-illiterate hoodrat who shits bricks whenever someone criticizes my diva, but I can't deny that that's how many of the Beyonce fans here conduct themselves, and they certainly get the most attention.
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Post by QAF on Dec 10, 2009 20:28:45 GMT -5
Every fanbase here is generalized. I don't like to think of myself as a near-illiterate hoodrat who s**ts bricks whenever someone criticizes my diva, but I can't deny that that's how many of the Beyonce fans here conduct themselves, and they certainly get the most attention. That is so ridiculous oprah. I guess "generarlizations" about black people, hispanic people, etc. exist for a reason too huh? It's the same thing as stereotyping.
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Dec 10, 2009 20:30:37 GMT -5
]At least most other fanbases on Pulse can see how insane they act, poke fun at themselves, and st@n facetiously at times; Really? I haven't seen such behavior, from even one single fanbase. I have seen a very select group of individuals "s tan" facetiously and poke fun at themselves but those individuals usually aren't the ones who display questionable behavior to begin with. Most fans who are responsible for "worst fanbase" nominations typically aren't even aware of their blinding devotion. There is more generalization here and I disagree completely. There are fans within every fanbase who "idolize their diva without any sense of irony".
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Post by neally on Dec 10, 2009 21:05:08 GMT -5
]At least most other fanbases on Pulse can see how insane they act, poke fun at themselves, and st@n facetiously at times; Really? I haven't seen such behavior, from even one single fanbase. I have seen a very select group of individuals "s tan" facetiously and poke fun at themselves but those individuals usually aren't the ones who display questionable behavior to begin with. Most fans who are responsible for "worst fanbase" nominations typically aren't even aware of their blinding devotion. There is more generalization here and I disagree completely. There are fans within every fanbase who "idolize their diva without any sense of irony". Well said. As I have stated before, regarding the Already Gone/Halo debate, this HUGE Kelly fan feels both parties have taken missteps. Ryan is indeed a "douchebag" pretending he has not in any way used the same/similar backtracks. In addition, at least 2 other songs ('Happy' and the new Alicia Keys song) produced by him have VERY similar beats and instrumental melodies. He is either a great liar or deaf if he hears no semblence (I tend to favour the former). Kelly was put in a position to defend herself as several media outlets were insinuating that she copied Beyonce because her record was released after Beyonce's. That being said, she has been in the business long enough to know that her remarks will make to it all of the media no matter how pissed she was (the same goes with Ryan). She should have said that Ryan sent her the track, which she wrote to, therefore if there is any similarity, it should be asked of him, not her, since she never heard Beyonce's song when she wrote to the track. Instead, she basically stated the same thing in a more honest way and aired the dirty laundry publicly (however true that it is) which in some way will negatively affect her reputation. She should have kept the details private, IMO. Thus, both parties could have handled the situation better, IMO. Oprah, I agree with those folks who state that when one uses generalizations about fanbases in an discussion in order to validate themselves or their point, he/she is basically copping out, simply be he/she can not rationally support or defend their stance without making a "low blow", so to speak....
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Post by Stephen on Dec 10, 2009 21:27:40 GMT -5
What media outlets insinuated that she copied Beyonce? I remember KELLY said that people at HOME would think that she ripped Beyonce off, but I don't recall the media saying Kelly ripped her off. ???
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