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Post by JCMF3 on Feb 27, 2010 23:38:08 GMT -5
I'm suprised she isn't doing better. She sounds a lot like Pink, and I think has a great voice. At least I can understand when Pink speaks and even sings. Allison - not so much.
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Post by aTunes on Feb 27, 2010 23:40:00 GMT -5
I'm suprised she isn't doing better. She sounds a lot like Pink, and I think has a great voice. At least I can understand when Pink speaks and even sings. Allison - not so much. Well considering she sounds nearly identical to Pink on this song and Trouble Is, if you like one I don't see how you could dislike the other. In vocal terms I mean.
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Post by Choco on Feb 27, 2010 23:41:27 GMT -5
If this couldn't even crack top 100 on iTunes with an AI performance, that should be all the proof Jive needs that this won't do a damn thing as a single. I hope they're at least smart enough to change this now that it's pretty much set in stone this won't go anywhere. This. I don't care about FIBOU or this one, but there's gotta be something better in the album (I haven't heard it) that could do something.
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Post by overboard on Feb 27, 2010 23:59:19 GMT -5
There wasnt anything wrong with FIBOU. No, it wasn't perfection, but it should have been good enough to do decent. Anyway, I would have gone with Just Like You as the second single. Think they went with Scars for the Idol performance and that didnt even pay off.
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Post by frank on Feb 28, 2010 0:32:50 GMT -5
Yeah, they probably should have gone with something else. It just goes to show that an amazing AI performance ≠ instant sales. Interestingly, Ashley Rodriguez's performance of "Happy" sent Leona's "Happy" to a higher position than "Scars". Yikes. Maybe the song lacks an immediate connection that's so necessary in our ADD world.
It's a shame, because it's still a great song. I hope they properly push this. Allison has so much talent, and she deserves at least some success.
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Post by Ke$haStan on Feb 28, 2010 0:42:39 GMT -5
Jive are just stupid PERIOD! If you going to call it the 2nd single and get her to perform it on idol at lease give it an adds date!
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Post by Ke$haStan on Feb 28, 2010 0:43:48 GMT -5
and what the hell! How didn't Scars even break the Top 120?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2010 1:05:51 GMT -5
just like u should be the ballad single and d is for dangerous should be the uptempo single.wrong decision jive did.btw,not a big fan of her.i listened her album and find these 2 the best.
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Post by Kii on Feb 28, 2010 1:33:36 GMT -5
and what the hell! How didn't Scars even break the Top 120? Because, people probably still don't remember who she is. Her name doesn't have much selling power I guess.
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Post by caitlin1974 on Feb 28, 2010 9:31:32 GMT -5
This is the problem. I don't know how well the song will do, but if it had already been playing on the radio, and people were aware of the song before the AI performance, then the impact would have been greater. The song's increase on itunes is actually a good thing, it went from not being on the chart at all to the top 200, that's all anyone can expect from a song that most people aren't aware of.
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Post by brb on Feb 28, 2010 13:50:29 GMT -5
This is the problem. I don't know how well the song will do, but if it had already been playing on the radio, and people were aware of the song before the AI performance, then the impact would have been greater. I don't think that's the problem.. Brooke White's single was released only a day before her AI performance, didn't have radio presence when she performed it, and yet it didn't stop her in Itunes. I think Allison's problem is a combination of two things mostly: A. While I loved her performance, her expression in the end turned me off and I probably wasn't the only one. B. She wasn't the only performer that night, while Brooke was. The other performer sang a song whose profits went to Haiti in the first 24 hours, so I think it's obvious people would prefer to help Haiti than to buy her single. I would have preferred to see Jive, 19, and AI bringing her to AI on another night to perform alone than to share a stage with anyone else at this point.
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Post by wavetunes on Feb 28, 2010 15:57:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't agree with this being the 2nd single after what happened to FIBOY. Does this even have an add date?
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Post by strawberries on Feb 28, 2010 16:28:06 GMT -5
Who knows perhaps they will pull back and release another single, or make the push for HAC/AC cause Im not sure pop will bite on this one.
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Post by overboard on Feb 28, 2010 22:34:27 GMT -5
Who knows perhaps they will pull back and release another single, or make the push for HAC/AC cause Im not sure pop will bite on this one. Doubtful. I think them choosing Scars was just an excuse for her to get whatever money they could from her AI performance. There wont be another (third) single. I still have faith in her career though. Just give her time for her age to catch up to her voice and she will break out.
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Post by olivian on Feb 28, 2010 22:43:35 GMT -5
I heard that in EW, someone from Z100 was asked to name 3 new songs that he thought would do well, and he named Allison/Scars? I haven't see EW, but if so, hopefully that's a positive sign. :) I'm not crazy about the song, but it would be great for her to do well with it. I still have faith in her career though. Just give her time for her age to catch up to her voice and she will break out. I wouldn't be shocked if that's what happens--maybe her voice/age now is just too much cognitive dissonance, and that won't be true when she's in her early 20s.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Feb 28, 2010 22:46:18 GMT -5
I liked Allison's performance, but there were problems with it from the standpoint of trying to get the Idol audience to buy into it.
Allison rarely has pitch problems, but she does have enunciation problems (you can't understand what she's singing a lot of the time). Also, her hand gestures, facial expressions, the whole package is a little weird for the mainstream Idol audience. She's actually kicked that whole weird performance thing up a notch since she was on the show, so it's more pronounced now.
The hand gestures and facial expressions are fine--not saying she needs to tone it down. Artists have their own ways of expressing music. But that doesn't mean those particular performance quirks won't turn some people off.
I would argue that she needs to work on enunciation, though. I like this song, but the live performance did annoy me because you couldn't understand her half the time.
Also, like somebody else said, she wasn't the only guest performer, and kind of got overshadowed by Kris's performance for Haiti.
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Post by kod on Mar 1, 2010 16:32:34 GMT -5
Well I think that the audience Brooke appeals to is much more willing to purchase a song from her while Allison's audience already has an abundance of choices so they will be much more picky. my sister did call me when watching Allison and asked what was wrong with her, that she thought she was acting druggy and it seems Allison was acting like thought she was a star. Now, i'm not saying that is how she acted, I'm just telling what I heard from one person who is a casual viewer.
Actually, i think she's done after this. They are not going to spend anymore money on her- she just performed in front of 25 or million people - it's the best exposure you could get- and she still didn't click. She'll be dropped in a month or so.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Mar 1, 2010 16:51:16 GMT -5
I agree about Brooke. There's not a whole lot of her sound out on mainstream radio, so when a large audience is exposed to it, they're more willing to purchase.
I'm also not sure that Idol's audience is Allison's audience. Before the performance I thought, hey, it's a ballad and Idol's audience likes ballads, so they should like this. But I forgot about Allison. A girl that dresses kind of strange, acts like a 17-year-old, and has bright, bright red hair with purple streaks. Unlike Idol's other "strange" contestant of season 8 (Adam) she doesn't really get the cougar vote. I think she squeaked through to top 3 on Idol by being only girl after the top 6 or so (and the girls sucked), but with Idol's audience being mostly middle-aged, I think her being a girl was about the only thing she had going for her with those people.
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Post by Filthy Pop on Mar 1, 2010 16:52:38 GMT -5
This has achieved a new status, fail.
Let's move on, stop embarrassing yourselves please.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Mar 1, 2010 16:53:44 GMT -5
^^ Aw come on. She's a talented girl. I think she just needs a couple years.
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Post by krisclarkson on Mar 1, 2010 17:05:24 GMT -5
So this hasn't received any spins?
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Mar 1, 2010 17:06:10 GMT -5
So this hasn't received any spins? Does it even have an add date? I think it was just confirmed as a single via a press release about her Idol performance.
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Post by picklerclarkson on Mar 1, 2010 17:10:04 GMT -5
I don't think she will be dropped since Lesley Roy wasn't...sadly her looks and actions would stop a good portion of the idol audience from buying her song or album.
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Post by Arabella21 on Mar 1, 2010 17:13:39 GMT -5
It was the lowest rated episode of the season, just over 18 million up against the Olympics, and the other musical guest's performance went on sale for charity. It's still a huge audience, though, even if not as enormous as AI got in its glory days.
I kind of agree about the image/voice disconnect with Allison, but I'm not sure what can really be done about it now. I think FIBOU was a mistake as the first single but that can't be undone. When was the last time Jive dropped anyone? They seem to be failing all around, really.
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Post by Filthy Pop on Mar 1, 2010 17:22:56 GMT -5
^^ Aw come on. She's a talented girl. I think she just needs a couple years. I wholeheartedly agree, which is why I do not support this release. If she ever is successful, all this throwing songs at radio until one sticks shit ain't going to work.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Mar 1, 2010 17:35:16 GMT -5
I kind of agree about the image/voice disconnect with Allison, but I'm not sure what can really be done about it now. I think FIBOU was a mistake as the first single but that can't be undone. When was the last time Jive dropped anyone? They seem to be failing all around, really. Kelis was dropped from Jive in 2007. I think Lil Mama was dropped in 2008. Both were dropped due to very poor album sales, and both at one point blamed the label for lack of promotion. I can't think of any other than that. Maybe there were some obscure artists on the label that did absolutely nothing and were dropped--but we just don't know about them because, well, they did absolutely nothing.
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Post by AP on Mar 1, 2010 17:43:02 GMT -5
I heard that in EW, someone from Z100 was asked to name 3 new songs that he thought would do well, and he named Allison/Scars? I haven't see EW, but if so, hopefully that's a positive sign. :) I'm not crazy about the song, but it would be great for her to do well with it. I have this week's issue and here's what it says: Coming Soon To Your Radio Execs from four Top 40 stations weigh in ont he artists you'll soon be hearing all over the airwaves. Sharon Dastur, Z-100 New York Allison Iraheta - "Her album [Just Like You] came out at the end of the year, and it got a little lost. The next single, 'Scars', is a Pink-style ballad, and it's amazing." The other songs named were Break Your Heart - Taio Cruz, and Everybody in Love - JLS, both of which I see having a strong future on radio. Might this be a possible sign that Scars will get a strong push from Z100?
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Mar 1, 2010 17:46:16 GMT -5
Yes, Sharon Dastur, her album got a little lost... because your station never played the first single. Der....
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Post by caitlin1974 on Mar 1, 2010 18:27:57 GMT -5
I don't think she will be dropped since Lesley Roy wasn't...sadly her looks and actions would stop a good portion of the idol audience from buying her song or album. I think soundscene makes a good point about the demographics of the typical AI viewer, so I wouldn't worry about appealing to them. Allison is incredibly talented, and has a sound that fits with radio, so I wouldn't take not appealing to cougars or those who only listen to AC radio, as a sign that she's a failure. She's too talented, so hopefully Jive can get things back on track.
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Post by Feelin'.$$$hady on Mar 2, 2010 5:28:20 GMT -5
I really liked Allison when she was on the show (apart from the whole black leather thing), and i was so exited when i heard snippets of the album online, because i thought it was the best one out of the idols, but then i got tired of all the songs after few listens, like there is no substance... i don't know there's just something missing for me...probably emotion. i love Pink and when i listen to her ballads i get goosebupms, with allison there's just empty scream when it gets to choruses (maybe they just chose wrong songs for the album). And i didn't like the idol performance. She looked completely scared and it was uncomfortable to watch. I also think her stylist should stop pushing her into all those dresses. What's wrong with something more casual and girly, why are they trying to dress her like serious 25-year old. I still think she's very very talented and it will happen fo rher, but with each performance she's persuading me she isn't ready for this yet. And also why the hell Jive thinks Scars is a good radio single? Sorry but this was a really dull decision fro me.
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