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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Apr 14, 2010 16:17:34 GMT -5
I think it's unfair to say he's not talented. Yeah, he sings like a girl. That's hardly out of his control. And yeah, his songs might not be up your alley but he's 16. What do you really expect? I think he's an okay singer. Actually, I was impressed with his SNL performance. He's not that bad! This is what I'm saying! How can someone say he can't sing or perform? The music is well priduced and age appropriate. He does his choreography competently, works the stage, and hits all his notes. What more do people want from this kid? ... I do have issues with his hair, but that's a whole different topic.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Apr 14, 2010 16:26:46 GMT -5
Besides, Michael Jackson sounded like a girl when he first started. How long was it until his voice cracked?
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Apr 14, 2010 16:38:45 GMT -5
Besides, Michael Jackson sounded like a girl when he first started. How long was it until his voice cracked? I don't think it ever cracked, it was a gradual change. Just like some guys have growth spurts, some just grow gradually. Justin said in an interview with Usher that his voice is changing gradually, and I think its very good, because a lot of boys lose their vcal talent when they crack. I think if it changes gradually, he'll keep most of his vocal talent with little difficulty.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Apr 14, 2010 16:46:47 GMT -5
Besides, Michael Jackson sounded like a girl when he first started. How long was it until his voice cracked? There was no in-between Michael Jackson. He basically left the spotlight between the Jackson 5 and The Jacksons. During that time his voice changed. He wasn't recording records or releasing major singles during the voice change. It was young Michael Jackson, and older Michael Jackson. Young Michael Jackson had a far better voice than Bieber does. And that's always what I said Bieber should do after this era dies down -- leave until he can come back and be his own artist with whatever adult voice he winds up having. I don't think he sings well now. That's just my opinion. He was better when he was 12. He has very limited range & he looks awkward on stage. I've seen his performances and I never got what was so special about anything he does. After his voice changes maybe he'll be better--but right now, no. I'm perfectly fine with letting the little girls have their tween idol. It's the adults that take him seriously that perplex me.
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Post by Stephen on Apr 14, 2010 16:49:06 GMT -5
I view this kid as a successful Archuleta. Whether Archie's fans are willing to admit it or not, had Archie released these songs he would have been more successful. The only difference between these songs and Archie's songs is that Bieber's are better produced and Archie's have better vocals. Lyrically, both of their catalogs fall flat.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Apr 14, 2010 16:54:41 GMT -5
There's no fanwar between Bieber & Archuleta. I'm not sure why one is being started here. They aren't the same kind of artist.
Bieber has a huge promotional machine behind him. Check out the Billboard mag with him on the cover, and the sidebar with all the folks that make Bieber a financial success.
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Post by Stephen on Apr 14, 2010 17:01:06 GMT -5
There's no fanwar between Bieber & Archuleta. I'm not sure why one is being started here. They aren't the same kind of artist. Bieber has a huge promotional machine behind him. Check out the Billboard mag with him on the cover, and the sidebar with all the folks that make Bieber a financial success. I'm not saying anything about that, all I'm saying is that Bieber is a more successful Archuleta.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Apr 14, 2010 17:14:44 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything about that, all I'm saying is that Bieber is a more successful Archuleta. Sales-wise, of course. But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Apr 14, 2010 17:15:50 GMT -5
Besides, Michael Jackson sounded like a girl when he first started. How long was it until his voice cracked? There was no in-between Michael Jackson. He basically left the spotlight between the Jackson 5 and The Jacksons. During that time his voice changed. He wasn't recording records or releasing major singles during the voice change. It was young Michael Jackson, and older Michael Jackson. Young Michael Jackson had a far better voice than Bieber does. And that's always what I said Bieber should do after this era dies down -- leave until he can come back and be his own artist with whatever adult voice he winds up having. I don't think he sings well now. That's just my opinion. He was better when he was 12. He has very limited range & he looks awkward on stage. I've seen his performances and I never got what was so special about anything he does. After his voice changes maybe he'll be better--but right now, no. I'm perfectly fine with letting the little girls have their tween idol. It's the adults that take him seriously that perplex me. And the adult who's going on and on about how talentless he is isn't taking him too seriously? ???
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Post by sabrina on Apr 14, 2010 17:16:57 GMT -5
Justin said in an interview with Usher that his voice is changing gradually, and I think its very good, because a lot of boys lose their vcal talent when they crack. I think if it changes gradually, he'll keep most of his vocal talent with little difficulty. I think if he keeps singing through the change, it'll help him maintain his old range while his voice deepens. Not that it really matters - his vocals aren't the drawing power here anyway. His voice can go to pot and they'll just use autotune. It's more important that he continues to be an unthreatening crush-worthy object, and a fitting blank slate for the tweens to project the heartthrob attributes on him that they need to. I love him, I think he's the perfect t(w)een idol. His team is doing beautifully. And I don't think he's completely disposable. If he ever hits that point where he wants to be taken seriously, he could be. They already have him showing up on 106 & Park, and they DO give him real music to record. He's just hanging out where the real money is right now, that's all.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Apr 14, 2010 17:19:44 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything about that, all I'm saying is that Bieber is a more successful Archuleta. Sales-wise, of course. But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. LOL. What other way is there to measure success of new artists? Are you gonna bring up David's theatre tour? Digitally and album wise, outsold by far. Sales wise he'll end up with about 3.5 mil sold with his 2 releases. David sold 950k with his 2 releases. There's no debate.
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Post by sabrina on Apr 14, 2010 17:20:35 GMT -5
I view this kid as a successful Archuleta. Whether Archie's fans are willing to admit it or not, had Archie released these songs he would have been more successful. The only difference between these songs and Archie's songs is that Bieber's are better produced and Archie's have better vocals. Lyrically, both of their catalogs fall flat. Haha - I don't think David could ever even pretend to compete in Justin's sphere. He's not generic enough, and I don't think he could be if he tried.
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Post by soundUPsceneDOWN on Apr 14, 2010 17:22:38 GMT -5
LOL. What other way is there to measure success of new artists? Are you gonna bring up David's theatre tour? Digitally and album wise, outsold by far. Sales wise he'll end up with about 3.5 mil sold with his 2 releases. David sold 950k with his 2 releases. There's no debate. I wasn't debating. But thanks for the info.
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Post by Stephen on Apr 14, 2010 17:29:26 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything about that, all I'm saying is that Bieber is a more successful Archuleta. Sales-wise, of course. But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Well, to me, a casual fan of Archie, Bieber is essentially a clone with a worse voice and more success. They are both pedaling the same type of music. So, no, I don't think they're similar just sales-wise.
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Post by Rurry on Apr 14, 2010 17:31:57 GMT -5
I don't think David Archuleta and Justin Bieber are very similar. David's first album was a weak portrayl of who he is as an artist but it still wasn't quite on the tween levels of Bieber's debut, Bieber would never sing anything like To Be With You, Desperate, or the more mature tracks of David's album. Just like I really can't see David singing anything like One Less Lonely Girl or Baby. David has the AC/adult appeal that Bieber doesn't have and Bieber has the rhythmic appeal that David doesn't have. They share the tween thing but other than they're pretty different artists.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Apr 14, 2010 17:32:21 GMT -5
Justin said in an interview with Usher that his voice is changing gradually, and I think its very good, because a lot of boys lose their vcal talent when they crack. I think if it changes gradually, he'll keep most of his vocal talent with little difficulty. I think if he keeps singing through the change, it'll help him maintain his old range while his voice deepens. Not that it really matters - his vocals aren't the drawing power here anyway. His voice can go to pot and they'll just use autotune. It's more important that he continues to be an unthreatening crush-worthy object, and a fitting blank slate for the tweens to project the heartthrob attributes on him that they need to. I love him, I think he's the perfect t(w)een idol. His team is doing beautifully. And I don't think he's completely disposable. If he ever hits that point where he wants to be taken seriously, he could be. They already have him showing up on 106 & Park, and they DO give him real music to record. He's just hanging out where the real money is right now, that's all. I really love this new album, 2.0. The production is so CLEAN. I can't stress this enough. I love the song with Sean Kingston and Up. I think he could mature into an Usher/JT type star if he works on his dancing, and if his management plays their cards right. Its a much harder transition for males than for females. But his attitude is in the right place. The only difference between his music and older artists' music is that its free of sex. But structurally and production wise, there's nothing immature about his music. ... he just has to do something about... his hair.
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Post by sabrina on Apr 14, 2010 17:35:44 GMT -5
I don't think David Archuleta and Justin Bieber are very similar. ... David has the AC/adult appeal that Bieber doesn't have and Bieber has the rhythmic appeal that David doesn't have. They share the tween thing but other than they're pretty different artists. this
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Post by sabrina on Apr 14, 2010 17:37:28 GMT -5
... he just has to do something about... his hair. what, you don't find helmet hair appealing?
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Apr 14, 2010 17:44:29 GMT -5
I view this kid as a successful Archuleta. Whether Archie's fans are willing to admit it or not, had Archie released these songs he would have been more successful. The only difference between these songs and Archie's songs is that Bieber's are better produced and Archie's have better vocals. Lyrically, both of their catalogs fall flat. Haha - I don't think David could ever even pretend to compete in Justin's sphere. He's not generic enough, and I don't think he could be if he tried. Y'all have GOT to quit it with this generic stuff. I've yet to figure out what was so "unique" or "daring" about David's album. Or your beloved Jordin, for that matter. How can y'all praise Jordin and then call Justi's music generic? One Time is mroe memorable than Crush or Tattoo. Yes, I said it.
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Post by Baby In a New Dress on Apr 14, 2010 17:45:58 GMT -5
... he just has to do something about... his hair. what, you don't find helmet hair appealing? Its so nasty and sooo 2006. Like, who has this hairdo anymore?! Trifling.
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Post by sabrina on Apr 14, 2010 17:52:49 GMT -5
Haha - I don't think David could ever even pretend to compete in Justin's sphere. He's not generic enough, and I don't think he could be if he tried. Y'all have GOT to quit it with this generic stuff. I've yet to figure out what was so "unique" or "daring" about David's album. Or your beloved Jordin, for that matter. How can y'all praise Jordin and then call Justi's music generic? One Time is mroe memorable than Crush or Tattoo. Yes, I said it. not his album - him. he's not enough of a puppet. and who said anything about jordin? i think she's pretty, but she's not one of my 'beloved's, lol.
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Post by Rurry on Apr 14, 2010 18:37:29 GMT -5
Well Tattoo was a much bigger hit than One Time and Crush was a slightly bigger hit. So I wouldn't say One Time is more memorable. Ultimately it's a matter of opinion though.
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Post by rince25 on Apr 14, 2010 19:51:07 GMT -5
Beiber is a walking gimmick. Thank god David isn't like him.
And this is one of the worst tracks on the CD. they should've gone with Up or That Should Be Me.
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Post by pnobelysk on Apr 14, 2010 21:34:32 GMT -5
Sales-wise, of course. But I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. LOL. What other way is there to measure success of new artists? Are you gonna bring up David's theatre tour? Digitally and album wise, outsold by far. Sales wise he'll end up with about 3.5 mil sold with his 2 releases. David sold 950k with his 2 releases. There's no debate. while you are comptlley right i would not include a christmas album
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Post by CammyCan on May 18, 2010 0:51:06 GMT -5
I think I love this.
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Post by kissin'u on May 19, 2010 7:00:45 GMT -5
And this is one of the worst tracks on the CD. they should've gone with Up or That Should Be Me.
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Post by Felicia on May 21, 2010 2:35:20 GMT -5
Usher make this song ten thousand times better. I love it now!
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Post by Caution on May 21, 2010 8:19:28 GMT -5
This girl is to young. She doesn't have boobs yet. I hope Usher don't try anything
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Post by reidster on May 22, 2010 15:47:34 GMT -5
This girl is to young. She doesn't have boobs yet. I hope Usher don't try anything This isn't funny at all. I'm hoping this isn't coming from anybody over 16, if it is, I'm sorry for the people around you.
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Post by reidster on May 22, 2010 15:50:41 GMT -5
what, you don't find helmet hair appealing? Its so nasty and sooo 2006. Like, who has this hairdo anymore?! Trifling. Ok, so basically you want him to follow trends and be like everyone else? That is what people are already criticizing about him. How could you hate someone's hair that much? Hair is hair. If you don't like it, don't do your hair that way. And he's 16. Most 16 year old boys have long hair that part infront of their ears.
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