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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Sept 12, 2010 16:59:21 GMT -5
Wow, Seems like a lot of people are Pressed over RiRi
She will be a remembered artist but still has ways to go before she is even on Yonka's Level.
All i can say is GaGa in one ERA has already surpassed Riri.
*Tea Sipping begins*
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2010 17:03:05 GMT -5
Wow - page 5 and the chart doesn't even come out for 4 more days
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Post by falkos on Sept 12, 2010 17:06:14 GMT -5
guys you're attacking me for what?
because i say my opinion?
anyway...
you're all say about umbrella...
i'm the one that i listed No2 song of decade...
i want to say that most of her career is like Rihanna feat. >>>> or >>>feat. Rihanna
too many for 5 years of career..........!
im not hating her but there's no comparisson with MC, escpecialy her same 5 first years.
but... no one of you said anything about her cd sales.......
are they also high?????????
or wikipedia is telling lies?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2010 17:11:30 GMT -5
My opinion on wikipedia:
For non-music items, generally pretty good, especially when they are backed up with sources.
Wikipedia, when it comes to music artists amounts to a fan page written by a fan. Some things may be based in fact and some things said are opinions of the author
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2010 17:12:06 GMT -5
btw - I haven't really read the Rihanna vs Gaga debate so I have no comment on that, just commenting on wikipedia
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Post by lugus15 on Sept 12, 2010 18:15:28 GMT -5
^ It's not really a GaGa vs Rihanna debate at all.... it's more like finding a middle ground between the Rihanna haters (who underestimate her career and impact) and the Rihanna stans (who put here right there with Aretha :roll:).
Like I said I put here with Paula Abdul, Jennifer Lopez, Ashanti, etc. And this is not a diss. Maybe today all these artists fame and careers are long gone, but they were big in their time, and HAD an impact on popular music.
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Post by nighttime on Sept 12, 2010 21:59:33 GMT -5
I think putting Rihanna in with someone like Ashanti is a bit outrageous. I mean, since debuting the girl has put in more #1 & hits than anybody else. Since 2005, I believe only Madonna has managed to surpass the combined total of her worldwide albums sold in that time period. Girl has put in her numbers.
While she's not quite on the level of Beyonce or Britney quite yet obviously, she's definitely established herself as a force that's more than a "fad" like Ashanti or JLo.
Personally, I think the most comparable career to Rihanna is someone like P!nk.
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Post by slw84 on Sept 13, 2010 0:04:05 GMT -5
Wow, Seems like a lot of people are Pressed over RiRi She will be a remembered artist but still has ways to go before she is even on Yonka's Level. All i can say is GaGa in one ERA has already surpassed Riri. *Tea Sipping begins*  |
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Post by slw84 on Sept 13, 2010 0:12:56 GMT -5
>>I really don't think she struggles. GGGB was a huge seller by the time it was done and everyone knows that was her real international breakout album. But it took 8 singles to achieve those sales and that is after a re-release. I agree that it is her breakout album but for all of the hits she achieved...2x platinum after a re-release  And don't question the fanbase, (I'm scared of you... :o  ) Rihanna has herself a very loyal one, she always does great in Europe and Canada it was only the US that she struggled in so that doesn't speak for fanbase at all. >>US her main market #1 albums (0), # of multiplatinum albums 1, number of albums to struggle to hit or surpass platinum (3) Gaga numbers at any point during her career would have been more understandable. The fact she successfully sold out Madison Square and Staples Center etc is great to me as I always thought she should have been doing much smaller shows first, she really has not taken the time to build herself a proper audience in the US so to jump on a limb with the arenas was hasty to me... >>That's great I didn't know. See I am mixed on that. On one hand, it is great to sell out those well known venues but then if you can't sell out unknown in smaller city markets but can sell out a couple in markets that offer more promo then IDk. When I hear an artist with #1 hits sell out an entire tour...that is remarkable. She has swag >>that's for sure. She should share it some other artist that need that extra something[/quote] Back to the charts... Now that TD has finally achieved #1 it might be boring for the next few weeks. What major artists are releasing in the next two months? Maroon 5 (Sept) Taylor (Oct)... |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 13, 2010 0:19:42 GMT -5
^ It's not really a GaGa vs Rihanna debate at all.... it's more like finding a middle ground between the Rihanna haters (who underestimate her career and impact) and the Rihanna stans (who put here right there with Aretha :roll:). Like I said I put here with Paula Abdul, Jennifer Lopez, Ashanti, etc. And this is not a diss. Maybe today all these artists fame and careers are long gone, but they were big in their time, and HAD an impact on popular music. I think Rihanna falls in to the Janet category in some ways. |
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Post by Curtis on Sept 13, 2010 0:42:43 GMT -5
Look here at this little avatar  Now take it in... she is 22. From a little island who came to the US and as it is BLACK female artists must work twice as hard to get that pop relevancy and mainstream glory... I am no racist but it comes much much easier for white female artists like Katy, Britney GaGa, Ke$ha etc. as you will see a black female artist can do the exact same thing but they're hustle is a lot more intense before reaching that international pop star status, even Beyonce had to grind her ass with DC before becoming the household name she is and can you name many black female artists who are always in the pop relevancy category other then Beyonce and Rihanna? Point is, Rihanna works hard and she's accomplished a lot. Still here I see a lot of belittlement on her part, at the end of the day her status is way up there and sure there's lots that could be better but putting her in low-level categories is so out of line... I wanna see what will happen when she's 30 cause there is no way in my mind this bitch is going anywhere. Time after time when people say she won't be around she's around.. how much more will it take. I just know she's ready to MURDER this era and Only Girl has been released an hour ago and it's already zooming... sit back and enjoy. |
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 13, 2010 4:32:23 GMT -5
Only Girl would need over 300k of sales.
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Post by falkos on Sept 13, 2010 13:12:29 GMT -5
Exelent song from Florence & The Machine
I predict lots of Grammy nominations for this exelent cd
US radios must play that acts from UK and not Taio Cruz...
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 13, 2010 14:39:53 GMT -5
Rihanna is talented but she also is lucky enough to have one of the best teams in the biz. I don't think OG will debut @ #1, but it will get there.
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Post by slw84 on Sept 13, 2010 15:47:03 GMT -5
Look here at this little avatar  Now take it in... she is 22. From a little island who came to the US and as it is BLACK female artists must work twice as hard to get that pop relevancy and mainstream glory... I am no racist but it comes much much easier for white female artists like Katy, Britney GaGa, Ke$ha etc. as you will see a black female artist can do the exact same thing but they're hustle is a lot more intense before reaching that international pop star status, even Beyonce had to grind her ass with DC before becoming the household name she is and can you name many black female artists who are always in the pop relevancy category other then Beyonce and Rihanna? Point is, Rihanna works hard and she's accomplished a lot. Still here I see a lot of belittlement on her part, at the end of the day her status is way up there and sure there's lots that could be better but putting her in low-level categories is so out of line... I wanna see what will happen when she's 30 cause there is no way in my mind this bitch is going anywhere. Time after time when people say she won't be around she's around.. how much more will it take. I just know she's ready to MURDER this era and Only Girl has been released an hour ago and it's already zooming... sit back and enjoy. The race card...I can't. That said, I guess we'll have a couple of more days of this until some sales figures come out and we can comment on that. |
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Post by Curtis on Sept 13, 2010 15:57:56 GMT -5
What do you mean the race card? IT'S A FACT! I'm not racist nor am I accusing anyone else but don't act like it's just a coincidence that you can't name more then two leading premiere black females in the pop game...brush it off if you will, but don't sit here and act like I'm making it all up.
Not like I'm acting like that's the reason for Rihanna's short-comings career wise at all cause it really isn't but in general that statement is true.
btw
RIHANNA - Only Girl (In The World): 22.292 (+ 4.018)
whos doing the update today? i dont know where to find it all...
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Post by slw84 on Sept 13, 2010 20:43:48 GMT -5
What do you mean the race card? IT'S A FACT! I'm not racist nor am I accusing anyone else but don't act like it's just a coincidence that you can't name more then two leading premiere black females in the pop game... brush it off if you will, but don't sit here and act like I'm making it all up.Not like I'm acting like that's the reason for Rihanna's short-comings career wise at all cause it really isn't but in general that statement is true. btw RIHANNA - Only Girl (In The World): 22.292 (+ 4.018) whos doing the update today? i dont know where to find it all... Boo, count to ten...too pressed When did we have a conversation about the bold information above? It looks as though with 20+ in audience impression she will debut before the single is released. Expect a huge jump in two weeks. |
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Post by Curtis on Sept 13, 2010 22:13:45 GMT -5
lol w.e. im good
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Post by Diego on Sept 14, 2010 6:35:31 GMT -5
Only Girl would need over 300k of sales. It won't sell that much - I'm thinking 215-230K. |
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Post by popstop on Sept 14, 2010 6:41:19 GMT -5
Ha, the first page or two of this thread focused on Chris Brown and the rest has focused on Rihanna. Been awhile since I've seen this many pages before the chart comes out. Especially without Beyonce, GaGa, Britney, or Mariah moving up the chart.
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Post by Diego on Sept 14, 2010 7:53:37 GMT -5
Mediabase
1. EMINEM - Love The Way You Lie f/Rihanna: 136.809 (- 0.494)
2. TAIO CRUZ - Dynamite: 115.890 (- 0.933)
3. ENRIQUE IGLESIAS - I Like It f/Pitbull: 101.387 (- 0.180)
4. KATY PERRY - Teenage Dream: 101.018 (+ 0.661)
5. USHER F/PITBULL - DJ Got Us Fallin’ In Love: 93.353 (+ 0.036)
6. BRUNO MARS - Just The Way You Are: 81.268 (+ 2.099)
7. TAYLOR SWIFT - Mine: 76.737 (- 0.106)
8. MIKE POSNER - Cooler Than Me: 72.045 (- 2.151)
9. KATY PERRY - California Gurls f/Snoop Dogg: 71.147 (- 1.272)
10. CHRIS BROWN - Deuces f/Tyga & Kevin McCall: 63.677 (+ 1.081)
11. UNCLE KRACKER - Smile: 59.528 (- 0.552)
12. MAROON 5 - Misery: 59.495 (- 0.052)
13. B.O.B - Airplanes f/Hayley Williams: 58.224 (- 0.829)
14. DRAKE - Find Your Love: 52.776 (- 0.872)
15. KE$HA - Take It Off: 51.197 (- 0.263)
16. LADY ANTEBELLUM - Our Kind Of Love: 50.405 (- 0.089)
17. TRAIN - Hey, Soul Sister: 49.185 (+ 0.673)
18. TREY SONGZ - Bottoms Up f/Nick Minaj: 48.710 (+ 1.580) ▲
19. LADY ANTEBELLUM - Need You Now: 48.592 (+ 0.575)
20. BILLY CURRINGTON - Pretty Good At Drinkin' Beer: 47.963 (- 0.297) ▼
THE SCRIPT - Breakeven: 45.799 (+ 0.166)
KENNY CHESNEY - The Boys Of Fall: 45.679 (+ 0.425)
DRAKE - Miss Me f/Lil Wayne: 44.874 (+ 0.285)
FLO RIDA - Club Can't Handle Me f/DGuetta: 44.081 (+ 0.550)
JASON DERULO - Ridin' Solo: 43.717 (- 2.410)
NELLY - Just A Dream: 43.629 (+ 0.859)
JOSH TURNER - All Over Me: 42.199 (+ 0.611)
MONICA - Love All Over Me: 42.167 (+ 0.169)
EASTON CORBIN - Roll With It: 41.702 (+ 0.214)
JOHN MAYER - Half Of My Heart: 37.621 (- 0.634)
USHER - Hot Tottie f/Jay-Z: 37.286 (- 0.514)
TRAIN - If It's Love: 36.893 (+ 0.838)
NEON TREES - Animal: 35.196 (+ 0.598)
DRAKE - Fancy f/T.I. & Swizz Beatz: 34.332 (- 0.229)
B.O.B - Magic f/Rivers Cuomo: 33.568 (- 0.696)
SUGARLAND - Stuck Like Glue: 32.233 (+ 0.262)
T.I. - Got Your Back f/Keri Hilson: 31.163 (+ 0.176)
ADAM LAMBERT - If I Had You: 31.084 (+ 0.371)
ONEREPUBLIC - Secrets: 29.883 (+ 0.280)
RICK ROSS - Blowin' Money Fast (B.M.F.): 29.192 (- 0.675)
RASCAL FLATTS - Why Wait: 28.707 (+ 0.030)
DAUGHTRY - September: 27.858 (- 0.014)
FANTASIA - Bittersweet: 26.994 (+ 1.900)
RIHANNA - Only Girl (In The World): 26.116 (+ 3.824)
FAR EAST MOVEMENT - Like A G6 f/Cataracs & Dev: 25.337 (+ 1.240)
ZAC BROWN BAND/A. JACKSON - As She's Walking Away: 25.049 (+ 0.639)
JAZMINE SULLIVAN - Holding You Down (Goin' In ...: 24.729 (+ 0.837)
THE BAND PERRY - If I Die Young: 24.315 (+ 0.261)
SARA BAREILLES - King Of Anything: 23.968 (+ 0.078)
JAY SEAN - 2012 (It Ain't The End): 17.674 (+ 0.104)
SEAN KINGSTON - Letting Go (Dutty Love): 15.765 (- 0.342)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Mama's Song: 13.729 (+ 1.113)
LINKIN PARK - The Catalyst: 9.553 (- 0.096)
BRANDON FLOWERS - Crossfire: 8.074 (+ 0.287)
LIL WAYNE - Right Above It f/Drake: 15.718 (+ 0.353)
MIRANDA LAMBERT - Only Prettier: 14.415 (- 0.109)
AUBURN - La La La: 13.497 (- 0.702)
LIFEHOUSE - All In: 11.992 (+ 0.147)
JUSTIN BIEBER - U Smile: 11.418 (- 0.100)
TREY SONGZ - Can't Be Friends: 10.945
THE SCRIPT - Man Who Can't Be Moved: 9.707 (- 0.248)
WILL. I. AM & NICKI MINAJ - Check It Out: 6.496 (+ 0.451)
KINGS OF LEON - Radioactive = 5.854 (+ 0.940)
SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE - Round & Round: 5.189 (- 0.027)
WILLOW - Whip My Hair: 3.916 (+ 0.749)
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Post by Verisimilitude on Sept 14, 2010 8:05:09 GMT -5
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Sept 14, 2010 8:11:58 GMT -5
How's Florence + the Machine doing at airplay?
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Post by Fresh on Sept 14, 2010 8:33:14 GMT -5
Pop Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Dynamite" Taio Cruz
Debut/Greatest Gainer No. 31 "Only Girl (In The World)" Rihanna
Debut No. 35 "F**k You (Forget You)" Cee Lo Green
Adult Contemporary
*** No. 1 *** "Hey, Soul Sister" Train
Greatest Gainer No. 14 "Mine" Taylor Swift
Debut No. 25 "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" Santana Featuring India.Arie & Yo-Yo Ma
Debut No. 27 "Hollywood" Michael Buble
Debut No. 29 "Cooler Than Me" Mike Posner
Adult Pop Songs
*** No. 1 *** "If It's Love" Train
Greatest Gainer No. 4 "September" Daughtry
Dance/Club Play Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Wouldnit (I'm A Star)" Ono
Greatest Gainer No. 9 "Teenage Dream" Katy Perry
Hot Shot Debut No. 38 "Dirty Picture" Taio Cruz Featuring Ke$ha
Debut No. 45 "Sunglasses" Divine Brown
Debut No. 47 "Let's Celebrate" The Ones Featuring Nomi Ruiz
Debut No. 50 "Going Strong" Natalia Flores
Rap Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Love The Way You Lie" Eminem Featuring Rihanna
Debut No. 21 "No Hands" Waka Flocka Flame Featuring Roscoe Dash & Wale
Greatest Gainer "Whip My Hair" Willow
Rock Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Another Way To Die" Disturbed
Hot Shot Debut/Greatest Gainer No. 19 "Radioactive" Kings Of Leon
Debut No. 40 "Waiting For The End" Linkin Park
Debut No. 43 "Closer To The Edge" Thirty Seconds To Mars
Debut No. 46 "The Sex Is Good" Saving Abel
Alternative Songs
*** No. 1 *** "The Catalyst" Linkin Park
Debut/Greatest Gainer No. 16 "Radioactive" Kings Of Leon
Debut No. 37 "Waiting For The End" Linkin Park
Debut No. 38 "F**k You (Forget You)" Cee Lo Green
Debut No. 39 "Shoot It Out" 10 Years
Country Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Our Kind Of Love" Lady Antebellum
Greatest Gainer No. 26 "Mama's Song" Carrie Underwood
Hot Shot Debut No. 51 "Who Are You When I'm Not Looking" Blake Shelton
Debut No. 59 "That's Beautiful To Me" Jaron And The Long Road To Love
Debut No. 60 "Gettin' Married" Joanna Smith
Jazz Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Fun In The Sun" Steve Oliver
Greatest Gainer No. 2 "Sending My Love" Norman Brown
Debut No. 27 "Love, Love, Love" Kirk Whalum Featuring Rick Braun
Latin Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Cuando Me Enamoro" Enrique Iglesias Featuring Juan Luis Guerra
Greatest Gainer No. 10 "Millonario de Amor" Sergio Vega
Hot Shot Debut No. 31 "Loca" Shakira Featuring El Cata
Debut No. 40 "Miedo" Vicente Fernandez
Debut No. 45 "Estar Contigo" Alex, Jorge Y Lena
Debut No. 48 "Estoy Enamorado" Wisin & Yandel
Debut No. 49 "Increible" Banda MS
Regional Mexican Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Dime Que Me Quieres" Banda El Recodo
Greatest Gainer No. 3 "Millonario de Amor" Sergio Vega
Debut No. 34 "Ni Lo Intentes" Julion Alvarez Y Su Norteno Banda
Debut No. 39 "En Cambio Tu" Tierra Cali
Debut No. 40 "Amor De 4 Parades" Banda Culiacancito
Latin Pop Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Alejate De Mi" Camila
Debut/Greatest Gainer No. 21 "Loca" Shakira Featuring El Cata
Debut No. 36 "La Calle" Juan Luis Guerra 440 Featuring Juanes
Debut No. 39 "Afortunadamente No Eres Tu" Paty Cantu
Tropical Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Cuando Me Enamoro" Enrique Iglesias Featuring Juan Luis Guerra
Greatest Gainer No. 12 "Corazon Sin Cara" Prince Royce
Christian Songs
*** No. 1 *** "Lead Me" Sanctus Real
Hot Shot Debut/Greatest Gainer No. 34 "Your Love" Brandon Heath
Debut No. 44 "Hero" Abandon
Debut No. 45 "I Refuse" Josh Wilson
Debut No. 50 "Dancing In the Minefields" Andrew Peterson
Gospel Songs
*** No. 1 *** "I Believe" James Fortune & FIYA Featuring Zacardi Cortez & Shawn McLemore
Debut/Greatest Gainer No. 24 "Blessings" John P. Kee Featuring Rance Allen
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Post by as485y on Sept 14, 2010 11:24:47 GMT -5
go Katy
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Sept 14, 2010 11:38:55 GMT -5
Go Willow! She's already debuted on the Rap Charts.
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Post by jj99$ - - LeLe on Sept 14, 2010 12:02:01 GMT -5
Get it Willow.
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Post by SWAG. on Sept 14, 2010 13:36:34 GMT -5
18. TREY SONGZ - Bottoms Up f/Nick Minaj: 48.710 (+ 1.580)
So excited to see this continue to blow up!
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Post by Oɴʟуßoy® on Sept 14, 2010 14:27:58 GMT -5
18. TREY SONGZ - Bottoms Up f/Nick Minaj: 48.710 (+ 1.580) So excited to see this continue to blow up! As Do I. Hopefully Unusual is next as CBF is doing nothing! ♫THAT RIHANNA REIGN JUST WONT LET UP! |
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Post by SWAG. on Sept 14, 2010 14:32:42 GMT -5
18. TREY SONGZ - Bottoms Up f/Nick Minaj: 48.710 (+ 1.580) So excited to see this continue to blow up! As Do I. Hopefully Unusual is next as CBF is doing nothing! ♫THAT RIHANNA REIGN JUST WONT LET UP! TREY SONGZ - Can't Be Friends: 10.945 Urban26 TREY SONGZ Can't Be Friends 1022 772 250 Considering that "Bottoms Up" is smashing, "Can't Be Friends" is doing well. I don't recall it ever having an adds date either. I think they're waiting on "Bottoms Up" to peak. |
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