Billboard Hot 100 - 9/25/10

[Oɴʟуßoy®]

It looks like Only Girl is gonna debut this week . Not mad tho. Looks like its gonna be in the 70s.

[hitseeker.]

Sept 14, 2010 11:38:55 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Go Willow! She's already debuted on the Rap Charts.

she must be the youngest artist to debut on any Billboard chart right?

[badrobot]

I'm guessing the late Sunday sales for Florence will be just enough for her to debut on the lower rungs of Hot 100 this week with a very possible jump into the top ten next week. Huzzah!

[legend1982]

Just saw the Rihanna conversation and wanted to add my two cents:

I see Rihanna as (musically) more in line with Madonna. She doesn't have the image/controversy factor - that's Lady Gaga's department. But, I think what Gaga lacks is the consistently strong material that Madonna and Rihanna both had/have. (RiRi has enough singles to create a greatest hits - if you don't believe me, play them back to back and you'll see the strength).

I believe the reason Rihanna has trouble with album sales is because she genre hops too much within albums instead of between them. Like Madonna, she's all over the place. But, Madonna was smart enough to contain a sound within each album (with one or two producers). Even with Rated R (her most cohesive album) I think the genre-hopping is too much (Firebomb, Rude Boy, G4L, Russian Roulette). The audience doesn't know who she is. And, the constant changing of the hair/identity isn't helping.

I don't think the singles from the TF/TFM were as strong as those from GGGB/Reloaded, but they were derivative enough to give the audience an idea of what the album was about - and because of that, it sold more.

BUT, I will say that I believe this only hurts her in the short-term. In the long run, this variety is what will create her legacy.

[elementd5]

Sept 14, 2010 15:23:59 GMT -5 legend1982 said:

Just saw the Rihanna conversation and wanted to add my two cents:

I see Rihanna as (musically) more in line with Madonna. She doesn't have the image/controversy factor - that's Lady Gaga's department. But, I think what Gaga lacks is the consistently strong material that Madonna and Rihanna both had/have. (RiRi has enough singles to create a greatest hits - if you don't believe me, play them back to back and you'll see the strength).

I believe the reason Rihanna has trouble with album sales is because she genre hops too much within albums instead of between them. Like Madonna, she's all over the place. But, Madonna was smart enough to contain a sound within each album (with one or two producers). Even with Rated R (her most cohesive album) I think the genre-hopping is too much (Firebomb, Rude Boy, G4L, Russian Roulette). The audience doesn't know who she is. And, the constant changing of the hair/identity isn't helping.

I don't think the singles from the TF/TFM were as strong as those from GGGB/Reloaded, but they were derivative enough to give the audience an idea of what the album was about - and because of that, it sold more.

BUT, I will say that I believe this only hurts her in the short-term. In the long run, this variety is what will create her legacy.

So SIX #1's and another Top 5 aren't strong singles? Ok. I got it.

[legend1982]

Sept 14, 2010 15:27:00 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

Sept 14, 2010 15:23:59 GMT -5 legend1982 said:

Just saw the Rihanna conversation and wanted to add my two cents:

I see Rihanna as (musically) more in line with Madonna. She doesn't have the image/controversy factor - that's Lady Gaga's department. But, I think what Gaga lacks is the consistently strong material that Madonna and Rihanna both had/have. (RiRi has enough singles to create a greatest hits - if you don't believe me, play them back to back and you'll see the strength).

I believe the reason Rihanna has trouble with album sales is because she genre hops too much within albums instead of between them. Like Madonna, she's all over the place. But, Madonna was smart enough to contain a sound within each album (with one or two producers). Even with Rated R (her most cohesive album) I think the genre-hopping is too much (Firebomb, Rude Boy, G4L, Russian Roulette). The audience doesn't know who she is. And, the constant changing of the hair/identity isn't helping.

I don't think the singles from the TF/TFM were as strong as those from GGGB/Reloaded, but they were derivative enough to give the audience an idea of what the album was about - and because of that, it sold more.

BUT, I will say that I believe this only hurts her in the short-term. In the long run, this variety is what will create her legacy.

So SIX #1's and another Top 5 aren't strong singles? Ok. I got it.

I'm not talking about stats. The charts are a game and don't reflect a song's true quality - just its (or the artist's) popularity.

But, come on - be honest - Poker Face and Bad Romance s*** all over the other singles (except maybe Paparazzi). If her career ended today, those will be the songs that she's remembered for. Just Dance, Love Game, Telephone and Alejandro are OK but not nearly as good... My Opinion BTW

[elementd5]

Sept 14, 2010 15:33:15 GMT -5 legend1982 said:

Sept 14, 2010 15:27:00 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

So SIX #1's and another Top 5 aren't strong singles? Ok. I got it.

I'm not talking about stats. The charts are a game and don't reflect a song's true quality - just its (or the artist's) popularity.

But, come on - be honest - Poker Face and Bad Romance s*** all over the other singles (except maybe Paparazzi). If her career ended today, those will be the songs that she's remembered for. Just Dance, Love Game, Telephone and Alejandro are OK but not nearly as good... My Opinion BTW

The same could easily be said about Shut Up & Drive, Hate That I Love You, Rehab, and Take A Bow compared to Umbrella, Don't Stop The Music, and Disturbia, so I still don't get that point.

But, I pretty much agree with what you said in regard to her ever chaging music direction/image as it relates to her potential/album sales and lackluster stage presence.

[SWAG.]

Sept 14, 2010 15:23:59 GMT -5 legend1982 said:

Just saw the Rihanna conversation and wanted to add my two cents:

I see Rihanna as (musically) more in line with Madonna. She doesn't have the image/controversy factor - that's Lady Gaga's department. But, I think what Gaga lacks is the consistently strong material that Madonna and Rihanna both had/have. (RiRi has enough singles to create a greatest hits - if you don't believe me, play them back to back and you'll see the strength).

I believe the reason Rihanna has trouble with album sales is because she genre hops too much within albums instead of between them. Like Madonna, she's all over the place. But, Madonna was smart enough to contain a sound within each album (with one or two producers). Even with Rated R (her most cohesive album) I think the genre-hopping is too much (Firebomb, Rude Boy, G4L, Russian Roulette). The audience doesn't know who she is. And, the constant changing of the hair/identity isn't helping.

I don't think the singles from the TF/TFM were as strong as those from GGGB/Reloaded, but they were derivative enough to give the audience an idea of what the album was about - and because of that, it sold more.

BUT, I will say that I believe this only hurts her in the short-term. In the long run, this variety is what will create her legacy.

Great post, but I disagree with the very last sentence. Rihanna is absolutely vapid and boring onstage. She lacks the charisma and charm of most Pop females that have achieved as much as she has. It seems to be the pink elephant in the room when discussing her. All of what you say is true, but her lack of stage presence and great performance skills is a huge turn-off when it's time for people to come out and purchase the album. Unless she enhances her performance skills quickly and becomes more than big rap hooks, dance hits, and fierce fashion, I don't see her lasting the way Lady Gaga will -- or the way Madonna has. It is her biggest weakness, and I feel it plays a huge role in the lack of interest beyond the singles. In a singles driven market, hit singles are not as important as they used to be when it comes to shaping a career with impact and devoted fans for years to come. It's not creating a legacy, because the biggest thing Rihanna lacks is cultural impact in Pop music. I think you need the hits as well as the impact and influence. And by influence, I don't mean fashion. How lifeless she is onstage and in most of her ABC music videos is why her albums don't sell and why the tour was not successful.

But this is all my opinion of course.

[legend1982]

Sept 14, 2010 15:35:40 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

Sept 14, 2010 15:33:15 GMT -5 legend1982 said:

I'm not talking about stats. The charts are a game and don't reflect a song's true quality - just its (or the artist's) popularity.

But, come on - be honest - Poker Face and Bad Romance s*** all over the other singles (except maybe Paparazzi). If her career ended today, those will be the songs that she's remembered for. Just Dance, Love Game, Telephone and Alejandro are OK but not nearly as good... My Opinion BTW

The same could easily be said about Shut Up & Drive, Hate That I Love You, and Take A Bow compared to Umbrella, Don't Stop The Music, and Disturbia, so I still don't get that point.

Agreed. I guess Gaga is not a fair comparison because she's only had one true era and we don't know if she will have songs of that caliber the next time out. I was more or less trying to distinguish why I felt Rihanna and Madonna had more in common (musically) than Lady Gaga and Madonna (whom most believe is the 2nd coming - that's not meant sarcastically).

Rihanna (and her people) have really great ears when it comes to really great pop songs. So far, she's managed (at least) one per album.

[bat1990]

I'm happy that this is turning into an intelligent discussion about 2 current pop stars instead of a petty insult & shade throwing contest.

I love both artists very much and they are the two I see with potential to have Madonna-esque longevity from today's pop stars.

[neverduplicated]

Just a guess, but I'm thinking the reason people aren't too crazy about buying Rihanna's albums is that she doesn't seem to have much identity as an artist. I know she co-wrote most of Rated R, but overall in her career she hasn't had much of a hand in songwriting or production. She seems to be more of a tool for today's hottest songwriters and producers. Please don't think I'm attacking her because I have no problem with Rihanna - I think she does have a number of really fun songs - but I haven't noticed any particular creative drive or vision of hers other than just being a big pop star. On top of that, she's a decent singer, but not out-of-this-world by any means.

Other female pop stars that people have been mentioned like Madonna and Gaga (you could easily add others like Mariah or Pink to this) seem to have a much bigger hand in their work and seem to have more of an indentity and a creative drive and vision. I'd liken Rihanna more to Whitney in that Whitney was just fortunate to have amazing marketing and songs handed to her. The (obvious) difference is that Whitney's voice is out of this world and Rihanna's is just good.

Just my two cents, not hating.

[Curtis]

Sept 14, 2010 15:27:00 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

Sept 14, 2010 15:23:59 GMT -5 legend1982 said:

Just saw the Rihanna conversation and wanted to add my two cents:

I see Rihanna as (musically) more in line with Madonna. She doesn't have the image/controversy factor - that's Lady Gaga's department. But, I think what Gaga lacks is the consistently strong material that Madonna and Rihanna both had/have. (RiRi has enough singles to create a greatest hits - if you don't believe me, play them back to back and you'll see the strength).

I believe the reason Rihanna has trouble with album sales is because she genre hops too much within albums instead of between them. Like Madonna, she's all over the place. But, Madonna was smart enough to contain a sound within each album (with one or two producers). Even with Rated R (her most cohesive album) I think the genre-hopping is too much (Firebomb, Rude Boy, G4L, Russian Roulette). The audience doesn't know who she is. And, the constant changing of the hair/identity isn't helping.

I don't think the singles from the TF/TFM were as strong as those from GGGB/Reloaded, but they were derivative enough to give the audience an idea of what the album was about - and because of that, it sold more.

BUT, I will say that I believe this only hurts her in the short-term. In the long run, this variety is what will create her legacy.

So SIX #1's and another Top 5 aren't strong singles? Ok. I got it.

GaGa has 2 #1's. She has 6 pop #1's and so does Rihanna, who has 7 on the main chart...don't twist. And I don't think he's saying GaGa doesn't have strong singles cause she does.

But no disrespect to GaGa I think she's great and I really do think she will be a legend around for a long time... I will be shocked if she vanishes within the next few years or loses relevancy or whatnot. But the original quoting post holds some very very good insight.. interesting post...very.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Sept 14, 2010 16:24:03 GMT -5 neverduplicated said:

Just a guess, but I'm thinking the reason people aren't too crazy about buying Rihanna's albums is that she doesn't seem to have much identity as an artist. I know she co-wrote most of Rated R, but overall in her career she hasn't had much of a hand in songwriting or production. She seems to be more of a tool for today's hottest songwriters and producers. Please don't think I'm attacking her because I have no problem with Rihanna - I think she does have a number of really fun songs - but I haven't noticed any particular creative drive or vision of hers other than just being a big pop star. On top of that, she's a decent singer, but not out-of-this-world by any means.

Other female pop stars that people have been mentioned like Madonna and Gaga (you could easily add others like Mariah or Pink to this) seem to have a much bigger hand in their work and seem to have more of an indentity and a creative drive and vision. I'd liken Rihanna more to Whitney in that Whitney was just fortunate to have amazing marketing and songs handed to her. The (obvious) difference is that Whitney's voice is out of this world and Rihanna's is just good.

Just my two cents, not hating.

^HATER YOU HATER! Take your HATE AND GO!!! >:(

[Eqbk]

One thing I've always found curious about Rihanna is that she's done so much better in album sales outside the US even though I'd say her success on the singles forefront is about equal in both markets. She sold 7-8 mil. of GGGB worldwide yet only about 1/4 of that came from the US. Maybe it has more do w/ the US market than her?

[worldwide]

Sept 14, 2010 15:23:59 GMT -5 legend1982 said:

Just saw the Rihanna conversation and wanted to add my two cents:

I see Rihanna as (musically) more in line with Madonna. She doesn't have the image/controversy factor - that's Lady Gaga's department. But, I think what Gaga lacks is the consistently strong material that Madonna and Rihanna both had/have. (RiRi has enough singles to create a greatest hits - if you don't believe me, play them back to back and you'll see the strength).

I believe the reason Rihanna has trouble with album sales is because she genre hops too much within albums instead of between them. Like Madonna, she's all over the place. But, Madonna was smart enough to contain a sound within each album (with one or two producers). Even with Rated R (her most cohesive album) I think the genre-hopping is too much (Firebomb, Rude Boy, G4L, Russian Roulette). The audience doesn't know who she is. And, the constant changing of the hair/identity isn't helping.

I don't think the singles from the TF/TFM were as strong as those from GGGB/Reloaded, but they were derivative enough to give the audience an idea of what the album was about - and because of that, it sold more.

BUT, I will say that I believe this only hurts her in the short-term. In the long run, this variety is what will create her legacy. [/quote


I mostly disagree with you.
I don't see any connection between madonna and rihanna except she can't sing.
She can't sing or dance and has no dtage presence. She's just a pop product.
And definitely don't agree with TF/TFM!
Just Dance, Poker Face and Bad Romance were just monsters and more important - good pop songs.

[Curtis]

Umbrella, Don't Stop The Music and Disturbia >>>>> Just Dance, Poker Face and Bad Romance

Rihanna is a damn good product.

[lugus15]

^ Lmao, tell me what other artist completely changed (in 1 era) the course of Pop Music in the USA, to the point that now other huge artists (like Usher) are following her????


Bad Romance, and Poker Face completely shit on any Rihanna single.

PS: GaGa's TF/TFM basically play like a greatest hits album.

Not trying to shade Rihanna, but credit where credit is due. GaGa >>>>>>>>> Rihanna (the public knows it, the industry knows it, everybody knows it).

[nighttime]

I don't agree with that at all. I certainty wouldn't call either of them particularly ahead of each of in terms of their music.

Completely changed the course of pop music? What music is today was coming long before Lady Gaga came. You could even argue that Rihanna was one of the leading artist in it prior.

Bad Romance and Poker Face are good singles, but Rihanna has just as many great songs (if not more; which considering her time spent in the industry - is understandable.

PS: Good Girl Gone Bad plays like a greatest hits too ;) Rated R was more critically acclaimed than TF.

Not trying to shade Gaga, because I love her pretty much equally but let's not act like your opinion is one that's shared universally. They both have many different achievements, acclaim, and notary in today's pop music.

[Deleted]

Sept 14, 2010 14:38:06 GMT -5 hitseeker. said:

Sept 14, 2010 11:38:55 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Go Willow! She's already debuted on the Rap Charts.

she must be the youngest artist to debut on any Billboard chart right?

No

They have been as young as 4 before

[legend1982]

Sept 14, 2010 18:46:42 GMT -5 lugus15 said:

^ Lmao, tell me what other artist completely changed (in 1 era) the course of Pop Music in the USA, to the point that now other huge artists (like Usher) are following her????


Bad Romance, and Poker Face completely s**t on any Rihanna single.

PS: GaGa's TF/TFM basically play like a greatest hits album.

Not trying to shade Rihanna, but credit where credit is due. GaGa >>>>>>>>> Rihanna (the public knows it, the industry knows it, everybody knows it).

I feel this discussion is going into a completely different territory.

I know we all have our favorites, but I don't think it's impossible for us to like more than one diva at a time. I see the value in all of the women that are constantly talked about on Pulse. They all bring something special to the table. It may not be what I like, personally, but I can appreciate what they do.

With that said, I'm a very big Rihanna supporter (so, I'm probably being biased). I really like Gaga (especially in the beginning). The problem I have with her has nothing to do with her - but her stans. The hyperbole surrounding everything she does is quite astounding.

Over the past year and a half, I have read (on Pulse) how she is better than everyone from Madonna to Beyonce to Mariah Carey to Rihanna. Really? Homegirl is so talented and creative. Great voice. She creates controversy with her image and her daring looks, but she has yet to record something as bold as Like A Virgin or Papa Don't Preach or as innovative as Single Ladies or Crazy In Love or as "Record-Breaking-y" as One Sweet Day or as risky as Russian Roulette. There's nothing wrong with this, but let's be honest her music is safe. Weird, but safe.

And, on top of that, Gaga has only been around for a minute. Give her time to prove that she can sustain this before dishing out the accolades. Remember once upon a time, everyone believed this blonde from Queens would outlast this blonde from Bay City, Michigan. We know how that turned out.

[renfield75]

Sept 14, 2010 18:58:04 GMT -5 @2m said:

Sept 14, 2010 14:38:06 GMT -5 hitseeker. said:

she must be the youngest artist to debut on any Billboard chart right?

No

They have been as young as 4 before

I was hoping someone else would bring up Jordy so I wouldn't have to (ha ha ha).

I think Willow is, though, the most recently born person to chart. She was born October 31, 2000 (jeez), which I believe makes her the first person born in the 21st century to chart.

[Oɴʟуßoy®]

Sept 14, 2010 18:46:42 GMT -5 lugus15 said:

^ Lmao, tell me what other artist completely changed (in 1 era) the course of Pop Music in the USA, to the point that now other huge artists (like Usher) are following her????

Where in hell is usher following Lady gaGa ???

Please enlighten me.

[Curtis]

Sept 14, 2010 18:46:42 GMT -5 lugus15 said:

^ Lmao, tell me what other artist completely changed (in 1 era) the course of Pop Music in the USA, to the point that now other huge artists (like Usher) are following her????


Bad Romance, and Poker Face completely s**t on any Rihanna single.

PS: GaGa's TF/TFM basically play like a greatest hits album.

Not trying to shade Rihanna, but credit where credit is due. GaGa >>>>>>>>> Rihanna (the public knows it, the industry knows it, everybody knows it).

LMAO! See I love GaGa's music but this is why I dislike her nowadays and most of you fans, your too much! She is NOT musically innovative at all so please let's just stop here, she use to be very great when she first came out... she was STILL different, had a strong vision and drive, the same music but when she got really big she suddenly changed her entire persona, she speaks with fake accents, acts holier than thou and is under some weird impression that what she's doing has never been done before.

And should wake you up with SOS and Don't Stop the Music? If ANYTHING Rihanna brought the dance wave back in the US... I can sit and give you all of her accomplishments but atleast I know what it is..POP music, instead GaGa along with 90% of her fans like to think shes curing cancer...bitch please.

*plays so Happy I Could Die* .. im not a hater its the effin truth

[Eqbk]

Sept 14, 2010 20:01:24 GMT -5 Oɴʟуßoy® said:

Sept 14, 2010 18:46:42 GMT -5 lugus15 said:

^ Lmao, tell me what other artist completely changed (in 1 era) the course of Pop Music in the USA, to the point that now other huge artists (like Usher) are following her????

Where in hell is usher following Lady gaGa ???

Please enlighten me.

Evidently, Usher said in an interview that he may be interested in working w/ Lady Gaga in the future. I don't know where it's from though b/c I've seen it on other websites but haven't found the original source. Here's the quote: "I think it would be great. We’ve [he and Britney] actually talked about working together in the past. I’ve actually shown some interest in working with Lady Gaga as well. We spoke about it the other night and may potentially make something happen there in the future.”

Sept 14, 2010 19:23:24 GMT -5 legend1982 said:

The problem I have with her has nothing to do with her - but her stans. The hyperbole surrounding everything she does is quite astounding.

I know what you mean. I'm a Björk fan and every one of her youtube videos is filled w/ Gaga fans posting that Björk is copying Gaga. It's completely ridiculous that the comments on every video are mostly about arguing back and forth about Gaga's influence on a video that came out several years before she even came out. It's like her fans think she invented oxygen or something.

[lugus15]

Sept 14, 2010 20:26:14 GMT -5 Curtis said:

Sept 14, 2010 18:46:42 GMT -5 lugus15 said:

^ Lmao, tell me what other artist completely changed (in 1 era) the course of Pop Music in the USA, to the point that now other huge artists (like Usher) are following her????


Bad Romance, and Poker Face completely s**t on any Rihanna single.

PS: GaGa's TF/TFM basically play like a greatest hits album.

Not trying to shade Rihanna, but credit where credit is due. GaGa >>>>>>>>> Rihanna (the public knows it, the industry knows it, everybody knows it).

LMAO! See I love GaGa's music but this is why I dislike her nowadays and most of you fans, your too much! She is NOT musically innovative at all so please let's just stop here, she use to be very great when she first came out... she was STILL different, had a strong vision and drive, the same music but when she got really big she suddenly changed her entire persona, she speaks with fake accents, acts holier than thou and is under some weird impression that what she's doing has never been done before.

And should wake you up with SOS and Don't Stop the Music? If ANYTHING Rihanna brought the dance wave back in the US... I can sit and give you all of her accomplishments but atleast I know what it is..POP music, instead GaGa along with 90% of her fans like to think shes curing cancer...bitch please.

*plays so Happy I Could Die* .. im not a hater its the effin truth

All you wrote could be said about Rihanna too. I'm far from a hater, in fact you can read some of my posts here in this very thread, and actually believe that Rihanna should be credited in what she has accomplished.... but, please some of her fans are too much.

She too isn't the 2nd coming of Christ or an innovative artist.... her producers are.

Oh, and even if GaGa's next (or her 3rd, or 4th) album flops, she will have a very lucrative career in the producing, composing business. And that's something Rihanna won't.

Anyways, back to topic.

I think this (if even this week TD stays at #1) will be the last week of TD @ #1.

And frankly I foresee a very dynamic chart for the next month or so.

Not one song has the huge advantage on airplay and downloads over the others, so we COULD have a very fast rotation @ #1.

[lugus15]

Sept 14, 2010 20:39:26 GMT -5 Eqbk said:

Sept 14, 2010 20:01:24 GMT -5 Oɴʟуßoy® said:

Where in hell is usher following Lady gaGa ???

Please enlighten me.

Evidently, Usher said in an interview that he may be interested in working w/ Lady Gaga in the future. I don't know where it's from though b/c I've seen it on other websites but haven't found the original source. Here's the quote: "I think it would be great. We’ve [he and Britney] actually talked about working together in the past. I’ve actually shown some interest in working with Lady Gaga as well. We spoke about it the other night and may potentially make something happen there in the future.”

Sept 14, 2010 19:23:24 GMT -5 legend1982 said:

The problem I have with her has nothing to do with her - but her stans. The hyperbole surrounding everything she does is quite astounding.

I know what you mean. I'm a Björk fan and every one of her youtube videos is filled w/ Gaga fans posting that Björk is copying Gaga. It's completely ridiculous that the comments on every video are mostly about arguing back and forth about Gaga's influence on a video that came out several years before she even came out. It's like her fans think she invented oxygen or something.

Well that's just plain silly, Bjork has been in the game FAR longer than GaGa.

But credit where credit is due, she is the most successful female Pop performer (sales and awards wise) since ???? Kelly Clarkson circa 2005 perhaps.

Right now, I'd put her (I it's like comparing the sun with the moon, but bear with me) in the Alanis Morissette category. A huge, successful first era. Let's see how her next eras will unfold, and then it will be known if she can be compared to Madonna.

But as I said, Rihanna does have her influence and impact. I'd put her in the Paula Abdul category (which is not a diss btw).

[Curtis]

Sept 14, 2010 20:44:58 GMT -5 lugus15 said:

Sept 14, 2010 20:26:14 GMT -5 Curtis said:

LMAO! See I love GaGa's music but this is why I dislike her nowadays and most of you fans, your too much! She is NOT musically innovative at all so please let's just stop here, she use to be very great when she first came out... she was STILL different, had a strong vision and drive, the same music but when she got really big she suddenly changed her entire persona, she speaks with fake accents, acts holier than thou and is under some weird impression that what she's doing has never been done before.

And should wake you up with SOS and Don't Stop the Music? If ANYTHING Rihanna brought the dance wave back in the US... I can sit and give you all of her accomplishments but atleast I know what it is..POP music, instead GaGa along with 90% of her fans like to think shes curing cancer...bitch please.

*plays so Happy I Could Die* .. im not a hater its the effin truth

All you wrote could be said about Rihanna too. I'm far from a hater, in fact you can read some of my posts here in this very thread, and actually believe that Rihanna should be credited in what she has accomplished.... but, please some of her fans are too much.

She too isn't the 2nd coming of Christ or an innovative artist.... her producers are.

Oh, and even if GaGa's next (or her 3rd, or 4th) album flops, she will have a very lucrative career in the producing, composing business. And that's something Rihanna won't.

Anyways, back to topic.

I think this (if even this week TD stays at #1) will be the last week of TD @ #1.

And frankly I foresee a very dynamic chart for the next month or so.

Not one song has the huge advantage on airplay and downloads over the others, so we COULD have a very fast rotation @ #1.

What do you mean? If Rihanna has changed it's a gradual thing but if you look at interviews her personality is the same, she's older so that's normal if you see changes with GaGa I mean EVERYTHING, I really do commend her vision for the world but shes so phony she hasnt been sincere since shes gotten big and u fans and herself still try to act like she does way more then she really does, bitch has producers just like everyone else. Rihanna's obviously got that thing cause if it was just the producers Commander would have done this exact same thing no? (zoom to #1) Stop undercrediting, it's the power of her name and bitch has earned it, so has GaGa but its Y'ALL that give her 2 much..

remember this girl?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dP_9IbhIik

oh how one can change with success. u cant even turn this back on rihanna cause it doesnt apply at all, never does rihanna act like shes more then what she is and im not throwing shade i brought this up cause u started doing the typical overcrediting gaga BS.

[elementd5]

Sept 14, 2010 16:33:08 GMT -5 Curtis said:

Sept 14, 2010 15:27:00 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

So SIX #1's and another Top 5 aren't strong singles? Ok. I got it.

GaGa has 2 #1's. She has 6 pop #1's and so does Rihanna, who has 7 on the main chart...don't twist. And I don't think he's saying GaGa doesn't have strong singles cause she does.

Don't twist? The poster said "Gaga lacks is the consistently strong material that Madonna and Rihanna both had/have" and then went on to specifically compare TF/TFM to GGGB/Reloaded. Quality of music is relative, but regardless, TF/TFM was a just as strong, if not arguably stronger, singles era than GGGB/Reloaded.

I too, agree with the rest of the aforementioned post.

[lugus15]

^^ Don't be so pressed, I'm not talking about they changing as persons (I do NOT watch interviews of artists and such), and in fact (by the photos I've seen in the net and such) I do believe that GaGa's stunts are idiotic and stupid, but take away them and she is an artist, and a pretty darn good one at that.

But, I'm a Rihanna fan too, and I do think they should collaborate..... after all haven't them both sold their souls to the Illuminati?

[felipe]

Sept 14, 2010 16:24:03 GMT -5 neverduplicated said:

Just a guess, but I'm thinking the reason people aren't too crazy about buying Rihanna's albums is that she doesn't seem to have much identity as an artist. I know she co-wrote most of Rated R, but overall in her career she hasn't had much of a hand in songwriting or production. She seems to be more of a tool for today's hottest songwriters and producers. Please don't think I'm attacking her because I have no problem with Rihanna - I think she does have a number of really fun songs - but I haven't noticed any particular creative drive or vision of hers other than just being a big pop star. On top of that, she's a decent singer, but not out-of-this-world by any means.

What you just wrote applies perfectly to Britney, then does why Britney can sell albums but not Rihanna?