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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 23, 2010 12:01:26 GMT -5
The Future Rock Legends site is pretty good with its percentage chances for contenders- but its 51% for Spears seems a tad high, at least based on what she's done up until now. Let's see what her output is like in the next 12 years or so- she may be content with putting out accessible, inconsequential (yet at times enjoyable) music, which would not make her a strong contender, at least in the first years of eligibility. But who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2010 13:03:33 GMT -5
The Future Rock Legends site is pretty good with its percentage chances for contenders- but its 51% for Spears seems a tad high, at least based on what she's done up until now. Let's see what her output is like in the next 12 years or so- she may be content with putting out accessible, inconsequential (yet at times enjoyable) music, which would not make her a strong contender, at least in the first years of eligibility. But who knows. Spears has sold a lot of records but that alone won't make them consider her, and she will lose a lot of votes because of her inability/refusal to ever sing a single note of any of her songs live. I can't see the R&R HoF looking too kindly on that. They appear to desire authenticity in the artists that make it in, and that will hurt Spears.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 23, 2010 20:44:23 GMT -5
^Very true. The Rock Hall also says commercial success plays little role in determining nominees. Sure, some inductees were highly successful, but they also had a lot more going for them.
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Post by Choco on Sept 24, 2010 3:16:51 GMT -5
I think she could eventually get in if she ever decides to do a less commercial album and starts singing live. Then again that's really unlikely. Several artists have been able to erase their commercial image and become more 'artistically respected' over the years, but they actually wanted to, and I don't think Spears wants to change her image right now.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 24, 2010 9:16:01 GMT -5
^Probably not- same with some others who make commercially-driven music to please the fans. That lessens their chances at respect and reverence, as well as importance in the grand scheme of music. Other factors come into play, too- i.e. concert reputation.
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Post by colson on Sept 24, 2010 9:17:31 GMT -5
Then there are others who do that and still get in.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 24, 2010 9:23:12 GMT -5
^Probably true. I mean, a lot of acts in the HOF obviously make/have made commercial music- most people want their music to be heard by as many people as possible. But, there's a fine line- i.e. someone like Madonna. She stated that her goal was to merge art and commerce- and she probably has done it better than any other mainstream act. But, she's a whole 'nother example, a no-brainer induction because of what she had done in her music, videos, stage shows, etc. and the impact that all of those things had on music and culture.
I have one main want for this year's induction- Donna Summer. Not just as a nominee again, but put the Queen of Disco in the HOF already.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2010 12:20:46 GMT -5
I think she could eventually get in if she ever decides to do a less commercial album and starts singing live. Then again that's really unlikely. Several artists have been able to erase their commercial image and become more 'artistically respected' over the years, but they actually wanted to, and I don't think Spears wants to change her image right now. Ok now that I've stopped laughing, let me say this, do you really think that Spears is even capable of changing her image at this point? A pop tart she came on the scene as and a pop tart I do believe she will remain. And singing live? that would require actually using her vocal cords wouldn't it? Yeah, never gonna happen.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 28, 2010 9:43:58 GMT -5
There are 15 nominees this year. Big news is Neil Diamond nominated for the first time.
2010 Rock Hall of Fame Nominees Alice Cooper: Eligible since 1994; first nomination
Beastie Boys: Eligible since 2007; second nomination
Bon Jovi: Eligible since 2008; first nomination
Chic: Eligible since 2002; sixth nomination
Neil Diamond: Eligible since 1988; first nomination
Donovan: Eligible since 1990; first nomination
Dr. John: Eligible since 1993; first nomination
J. Geils Band: Eligible since 1995; third nomination
LL Cool J: Eligible since 2009; second nomination
Darlene Love: Eligible since 1988; third nomination
Laura Nyro: Eligible since 1992; first nomination
Donna Summer: Eligible since 1999; third nomination
Joe Tex: Eligible since 1990; fourth nomination
Tom Waits: Eligible since 1998; first nomination
Chuck Willis: Eligible since 1986; 6th nomination
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Sept 28, 2010 10:35:30 GMT -5
Out of those 15 how many can be inducted? Is there a number?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 28, 2010 10:38:23 GMT -5
It's usually five, but in some years, it's been seven. As there are more nominees this year, it just may be seven.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Sept 28, 2010 10:50:11 GMT -5
It's usually five, but in some years, it's been seven. As there are more nominees this year, it just may be seven. Hmm that's alot more than I thought. Should be interesting who they pick.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 28, 2010 10:55:26 GMT -5
As an FYI- the 30-plus-strong committee chooses the nominees, and then the ballots are sent to 400-500 people in the industry (including inductees).
Donna Summer best get in already. For some acts, it's just a matter of time, that's true- but the most impressive, of course, are the acts who get in in their first year of eligibility- most of those are the no-brainers.
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Sept 28, 2010 11:58:04 GMT -5
As an FYI- the 30-plus-strong committee chooses the nominees, and then the ballots are sent to 400-500 people in the industry (including inductees). Donna Summer best get in already. For some acts, it's just a matter of time, that's true- but the most impressive, of course, are the acts who get in in their first year of eligibility- most of those are the no-brainers. Do you know how many have gotten them the first year they were eligible? BTW, I agree on Summer, she has to make it in this time around.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 28, 2010 12:00:32 GMT -5
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Post by Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815... on Sept 28, 2010 12:21:16 GMT -5
Thanks!! :) EDIT: wow, great site!
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Post by d.t.m on Sept 28, 2010 12:48:25 GMT -5
Chic got 6 nominations??? Wow, good for them but Donna HAS to make it this time. I'd like LL to get it as well this year, but I'm doubtful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2010 13:05:37 GMT -5
Michael Jackson didn't get in until his fourth year nominated? Wow.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 28, 2010 18:38:58 GMT -5
^Yeah, that's a little surprising. So, it was a three-year wait. But, he did best his baby sister- with this year's nominees announced, Janet advances to a four-year wait. And, while she's one of my favorite females, I don't see her fortunes changing anytime soon.
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Post by cking33 on Sept 29, 2010 1:36:12 GMT -5
Darlene Love, ftw!
And no Carole King again this year in the performers category, ugh. (She's already in as a songwriter). I thought with her big tour this year she might've had a shot of getting in. If Laura Nyro gets in as a performer and Carole King doesn't, then something is wrong there, no offense to Laura Nyro, who I think is great, but she was a poor man's Carole King in the late 60s/early 70s.
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Post by Nick on Sept 29, 2010 19:49:00 GMT -5
Some deserving artists who are eligible:
Duran Duran Hall & Oates INXS Journey Pat Benatar Eurythmics Heart
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Post by HolidayGuy on Sept 29, 2010 21:28:19 GMT -5
^ Hall and Oates and Journey never were big critical darlings- Journey's popularity has continued, but that's not a main factor in the HOF.
Pat Benatar also was never given much critical respect- would love to see he considered, but I don't see it happening any time soon. I think music industry people acknowledge the great voice, but at times don't think the material has been as strong.
I think the slick, 80s material from Heart- like that of Chicago- has hurt their chances.
But, after seeing Neil Diamond score his first nod in 22 years of eligibility, one never can tell what will happen. Some think his recent work with producer Rick Rubin has given him a little more credibility than he had in the past.
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Post by WotUNeed on Oct 2, 2010 15:23:25 GMT -5
Alice CooperBeastie BoysBon JoviChicNeil DiamondDonovanDr. JohnJ. Geils BandLL Cool JDarlene LoveLaura NyroDonna SummerJoe TexTom WaitsChuck Willis Hmm. I like J. Geils Band, but having trouble saying just what they did to earn a spot in the RaRHoF over many others eligible. Alice Cooper mastered a certain brand of theatricality, and the continued presence as a purveyor of rock and roll may get him some points. Donovan is long overdue for a nomination, but competing with two others of his time also known for their unique songwriting styles (Neil Diamond and Laura Nyro) may hurt him. Chic vs. Donna Summer may mean one of them remains outside looking in, though I imagine both are destined to enter at some point. Joe Tex and Chuck Willis may also split votes; I'd like to see Tex get in. LL Cool J would be a nice entry too. Beastie Boys, eh, not sure - they seem to have acclaim out of proportion with the actual achievement, but that may be enough to win a spot; that may also cause LL to be kept out this year. Not sure Bon Jovi can get in on ballad number one, but one thing is certain: they know how to market themselves. They may find a way to help themselves in, as I know it means something to them. Would love to see Darlene Love; it's kind of amazing that, despite rarely being given the chance to be in the spotlight (or, at least, be known by name) in her heyday, she's managed a long and revered career. Dr. John is an interesting choice and another one whose consistent output into the present may help him, especially given the positive critical response to his latest release. Such are my initial thoughts. I'll have to give more consideration to which ones I'd pick.
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Post by MikeCheck12 on Oct 4, 2010 14:02:26 GMT -5
If we're keeping it to just five, here would be my picks:
Alice Cooper Beastie Boys Bon Jovi Neil Diamond Tom Waits
(LL Cool J would have been my sixth pick)
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Post by cking33 on Oct 4, 2010 14:34:57 GMT -5
Pertaining to Darlene Love, I hope the voters eventually recognize that they've put both "The Crystals" and "The Ronettes" in the Hall, and Darlene Love is at that level of fame and importance with them. Hell, on the Crystals biggest hit, "He's a Rebel," it's Darlene Love and her group "The Blossoms" singing that song, not the Crystals.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 12, 2010 11:13:35 GMT -5
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Post by cking33 on Dec 12, 2010 14:27:52 GMT -5
Yay for Darlene Love! It's about time! Can't wait to see her on Letterman again this year.
If she is in, consider that a strike against the Future Rock Hall of Fame website. According to them, she had a 6% chance of getting in.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Dec 12, 2010 18:39:25 GMT -5
Sometimes one does slip in, that Future Rock Legends projects low. I know that Bruce Springsteen has lobbied for Darlene Love in recent times.
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Post by jams on Dec 12, 2010 20:49:30 GMT -5
I think she could eventually get in if she ever decides to do a less commercial album and starts singing live. Then again that's really unlikely. Several artists have been able to erase their commercial image and become more 'artistically respected' over the years, but they actually wanted to, and I don't think Spears wants to change her image right now. LOL, she just did a huge tour and never sang a note live. She had the "circus" to distract from her lack of singing ability. She also barely danced anymore. Britney was a a performer, not an artist. She now is looking silly doing what she did at 16, but because she lost it for a while, it was just an accomplishment for her to lip synch and not lose it on stage while she walked around to piped in music. That is not a noninee for the Hall of Fame. Her music might be fun, but she is no way deserving of this.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Dec 13, 2010 12:19:54 GMT -5
Donna Summer should've been inducted at least 10 years ago.
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