Billboard Hot 100 10/30/2010

[wavey.]

I predict Trey is finally going to get a second Top 10 hit.

[kingofpain]

Could it actually not be successful?

Or the reason could be that the song is actually pure $h!t.

[slicknickshady]

Oct 17, 2010 23:12:16 GMT -5 kingofpain said:

Could it actually not be successful?

Or the reason could be that the song is actually pure $h!t.

It's a fabulous song. It just shouldn't have been a single.

[Samer]

Oct 17, 2010 16:33:07 GMT -5 livelikedying111 said:

Oct 17, 2010 16:21:45 GMT -5 slicknickshady said:

EMINEM - No Love f/Lil'Wayne: 9.068 (+ 0.208)

At least it's still going up. lol.

Could it actually not be successful?!

Why doesn't he release "Space Bound" ? This baffles me. "No Love" is the weakest song on the album!

[livelikedying111]

I like No Love, it's a great song, but if it were only released because of Lil Wayne, it's a mistake... I hate to see the album sales (good as they relatively are) dropping 'cause there's no (strong) single promoting it...

[Mike]

Any airplay updates?

[jgizzle89]

whoever thought 'no love' was going to take off at radio was out of their damn mind. so many more radio-friendly singles (WTP, Talkin' to Myself, Space Bound)

[jj99$ - - LeLe]

They should be thinking about sending Talkin' to myself asap

[slicknickshady]

I Disagree that Space Bound would do any better as a single then "No Love" is doing.

Now I agree that Talkin 2' Myself would do way better.

[cking33]

I'm only going to raise this point. I have a feeling it's going to spark a little bit of debate.

But I was thinking about this today ... Taylor Swift keeps releasing songs on iTunes before her album drops and they keep debuting in the top 10. Of course, she's not the only one that does it, she just happens to get a top 10 debut every time she releases a single. If she keeps this up, she can challenge some records down the road for most top 10 singles of all time.

Now we all know there are people out there who question the legitimacy of Mariah Carey's 18 #1 singles because some shrewd chart strategy was employed to ensure some of those songs got to #1 -- songs like "Honey," "My All," "Thank God I Found You," "Heartbreaker," and "Touch My Body." I'm just wondering if people see any comparison between these two accomplishments/tactics?

I don't have a problem with either. I think if Billboard says you have a top 10 song that week or the #1 song that week, you earned it, whether it stays there 1 week or 16 weeks. Because obviously in both instances, people have to like a song enough to buy it to get it to its position on the chart.

But I see some similarities in that Taylor's record company doesn't have to release all these songs ahead of time to iTunes, just like Mariah's label didn't have to time the release of all those singles to maximize their potential of hitting #1 on the Hot 100. Obviously, we're talking about different times in the music industry too. Something like this never could have happened when physical singles were out, where an artists releases a new single per week until the album drops. Taylor benefits from being at the peak of her popularity in such an era. If this was 15 or 20 years ago, maybe Mariah and Madonna could have done the same if iTunes existed.

What do others think? And try not to get too catty discussing it.

[elementd5]

^There wasn't any shrewd chart strategy to get "Touch My Body" or the singles from "Butterfly" to go #1 (unless you mean regular repression, since they weren't discounted, then you'd have to include all of her #1's post "Music Box")

But, I digress. Just with the recent "Glee" issue, in my opinion the chart methodology itself is fine. As a chart watcher, I'll just know, remember, and be able to distinguish actual hits versus songs that only have a high chart placement due to a few weeks of high sales.

[Diego]

TOP 20:

1. BRUNO MARS - Just The Way You Are: 134.177 (+ 0.918)
2. KATY PERRY - Teenage Dream: 119.124 (- 1.242)
3. USHER F/PITBULL - DJ Got Us Fallin’ In Love: 111.081 (+ 0.152)
4. TAYLOR SWIFT - Mine: 100.464 (+ 0.571)
5. TAIO CRUZ - Dynamite: 97.274 (- 1.186)
6. NELLY - Just A Dream: 88.301 (+ 1.416)
7. FAR EAST MOVEMENT - Like A G6 f/Cataracs & Dev: 86.867 (+ 1.277)
8. TREY SONGZ - Bottoms Up f/Nick Minaj: 82.682 (+ 0.375)
9. RIHANNA - Only Girl (In The World): 82.175 (+ 0.969)
10. EMINEM - Love The Way You Lie f/Rihanna: 77.980 (- 0.986)
11. CHRIS BROWN - Deuces f/Tyga & Kevin McCall: 76.364 (+ 0.060) ▲
12. ENRIQUE IGLESIAS - I Like It f/Pitbull: 76.073 (- 0.952) ▼
13. FLO RIDA - Club Can't Handle Me f/DGuetta: 67.443 (+ 0.079)
14. NEON TREES - Animal: 64.649 (+ 0.218)
15. DARIUS RUCKER - Come Back Song: 51.136 (+ 0.153) ▲
16. EASTON CORBIN - Roll With It: 51.038 (- 0.231) ▼
17. KATY PERRY - California Gurls f/Snoop Dogg: 46.510 (- 0.445)
18. DRAKE - Fancy f/T.I. & Swizz Beatz: 46.296 (- 0.115)
19. MIKE POSNER - Cooler Than Me: 44.516 (- 0.134) ▲
20. DAUGHTRY - September: 44.412 (+ 0.002) ▲

OTHERS:

JOSH TURNER - All Over Me: 44.003 (- 1.272)
USHER - Hot Tottie f/Jay-Z: 43.943 (- 0.891)
MAROON 5 - Misery: 43.867 (- 0.849)
SUGARLAND - Stuck Like Glue: 43.854 (+ 0.029)
KENNY CHESNEY - The Boys Of Fall: 42.935 (- 1.270)
ZAC BROWN BAND/A. JACKSON - As She's Walking Away: 42.290 (+ 0.804)
RODNEY ATKINS - Farmer's Daughter: 41.806 (+ 0.209)
TRAIN - Hey, Soul Sister: 41.048 (- 0.233)
ONEREPUBLIC - Secrets: 40.960 (- 0.352)
PINK - Raise Your Glass: 40.214 (+ 2.418)
BRAD PAISLEY - Anything Like Me: 38.612 (+ 0.465)
TREY SONGZ - Can't Be Friends: 37.416 (+ 1.561)
THE BAND PERRY - If I Die Young: 36.718 (+ 0.575)
LIL WAYNE - Right Above It f/Drake: 36.245 (+ 0.645)
RASCAL FLATTS - Why Wait: 35.565 (+ 0.139)
SARA BAREILLES - King Of Anything: 33.457 (- 0.032)
JAZMINE SULLIVAN - Holding You Down (Goin' In ...: 32.935 (- 0.384)
WAKA FLOCKA FLAME - No Hands f/Roscoe Dash & Wale: 29.647 (+ 0.822)
CARRIE UNDERWOOD - Mama's Song: 27.955 (+ 0.118)
MIKE POSNER - Please Don't Go: 27.069 (+ 0.764)
WILL. I. AM & NICKI MINAJ - Check It Out: 25.677 (+ 0.210)
KEITH URBAN - Put You In A Song: 24.449 (+ 0.127)
MIRANDA LAMBERT - Only Prettier: 23.973 (- 0.067)
RICK ROSS - Aston Martin Music f/Drake: 23.603 (+ 0.913)
CEE LO GREEN - F**k You (Forget You): 22.649 (- 0.348)
WILLOW - Whip My Hair: 21.156 (+ 0.268)
JAY SEAN - 2012 (It Ain't The End): 17.241 (- 0.468)

EXTRAS:

NICKI MINAJ - Right Thru Me: 18.645 (+ 0.745)

LIFEHOUSE - All In: 17.297 (+ 0.532)

MICHAEL BUBLE - Hollywood: 11.544 (+ 0.019)

EDWARD MAYA - Stereo Love: 11.283 (+ 0.501)

EMINEM - No Love f/Lil'Wayne: 10.940 (+ 0.429)

PLAIN WHITE T'S - Rhythm Of Love: 10.853 (+ 0.133)

YOLANDA BE COOL & DCUP - We No Speak Americano: 10.794 (+ 0.175)

KINGS OF LEON - Radioactive: 10.081 (+ 0.149)

JESSE MCCARTNEY - Shake: 9.632 (+ 0.319)

KANYE WEST - Runaway f/Pusha T: 8.919 (+ 0.656)

AKON - Angel: 8.389 (+ 0.013)

RIHANNA - What's My Name f/Drake: 8.173 (+ 2.283)

LADY ANTEBELLUM - Hello World: 6.947 (+ 0.194)

KATY PERRY - Firework: 6.498 (+ 0.722)

TAIO CRUZ - Dirty Picture f/Ke$ha: 5.416 (+ 0.237)

CHRISTINA PERRI - Jar Of Hearts: 4.583 (+ 0.140)

MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE - Na Na Na: 4.480 (+ 0.021)

FLORENCE + THE MACHINE - Dog Days Are Over: 4.196 (+ 0.160)

KE$HA - We R Who We R: 3.546 (+ 0.701)

BRANDON FLOWERS - Only The Young: 0.084 (- 0.001)

NE-YO - One In A Million: 11.338

[cking33]

Oct 19, 2010 16:46:17 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

^There wasn't any shrewd chart strategy to get "Touch My Body" or the singles from "Butterfly" to go #1 (unless you mean regular repression, since they weren't discounted, then you'd have to include all of her #1's post "Music Box")

But, I digress. Just with the recent "Glee" issue, in my opinion the chart methodology itself is fine. As a chart watcher, I'll just know, remember, and be able to distinguish actual hits versus songs that only have a high chart placement due to a few weeks of high sales.

I do mean repression and discounted singles. Both were strategies designed to get her to #1.

[musicrocks]

EDWARD MAYA - Stereo Love: 11.283 (+ 0.501)

Who??

[Minor Scratch]

Top 15 Increases

PINK - Raise Your Glass: 40.214 (+ 2.418)
RIHANNA - What's My Name f/Drake: 8.173 (+ 2.283)
TREY SONGZ - Can't Be Friends: 37.416 (+ 1.561)
NELLY - Just A Dream: 88.301 (+ 1.416)
FAR EAST MOVEMENT - Like A G6 f/Cataracs & Dev: 86.867 (+ 1.277)
RIHANNA - Only Girl (In The World): 82.175 (+ 0.969)
BRUNO MARS - Just The Way You Are: 134.177 (+ 0.918)
RICK ROSS - Aston Martin Music f/Drake: 23.603 (+ 0.913)
WAKA FLOCKA FLAME - No Hands f/Roscoe Dash & Wale: 29.647 (+ 0.822)
ZAC BROWN BAND/A. JACKSON - As She's Walking Away: 42.290 (+ 0.804)
MIKE POSNER - Please Don't Go: 27.069 (+ 0.764)
NICKI MINAJ - Right Thru Me: 18.645 (+ 0.745)
KATY PERRY - Firework: 6.498 (+ 0.722)
KE$HA - We R Who We R: 3.546 (+ 0.701)
KANYE WEST - Runaway f/Pusha T: 8.919 (+ 0.656)

[slicknickshady]

EMINEM - No Love f/Lil'Wayne: 10.940 (+ 0.429)

[ListenToItTwice]

Oct 19, 2010 16:59:22 GMT -5 cking33 said:

Oct 19, 2010 16:46:17 GMT -5 elementd5 said:

^There wasn't any shrewd chart strategy to get "Touch My Body" or the singles from "Butterfly" to go #1 (unless you mean regular repression, since they weren't discounted, then you'd have to include all of her #1's post "Music Box")

But, I digress. Just with the recent "Glee" issue, in my opinion the chart methodology itself is fine. As a chart watcher, I'll just know, remember, and be able to distinguish actual hits versus songs that only have a high chart placement due to a few weeks of high sales.

I do mean repression and discounted singles. Both were strategies designed to get her to #1.

These songs would probably have been equally big hits in an overall, full-run sense if not for these strategies. The techniques simply allowed the songs to have the right number of points at the right time.

[fridayteenage]

Fearless Promo singles: Fearless 9
Change 10
You’re Not Sorry 11
You Belong with Me 12
Album tracks: White Horse 13
Forever & Always 49
Way I Loved You 72
Fifteen 79
Breathe 87
Hey Stephen 94
(Love Story debuted at 16.)
Tell Me Why & Best Day didn’t hit the H100.
=For debuts, all four promo singles were hits, plus one album track and the opening single.

Fearless Re-release Album tracks: Jump then Fall 10
Untouchable 19
Come in with the Rain 30
Superstar 26
Other Side of the Door 22
Forever & Always 34
=6 debut hits.

Hopefully Taylor can yield more than one hit song from the first week of the album being on sale. Six probably is unlikely, since those six weren't as much competing directly with the album as a whole, but I feel she's gained enough popularity that she'll eke more than one; I do think she'll at least chart the whole album this time. She also has to make up for releasing 3 instead of 4 promo singles.

[singingsparrow]

Oct 18, 2010 12:13:35 GMT -5 livelikedying111 said:

I like No Love, it's a great song, but if it were only released because of Lil Wayne, it's a mistake... I hate to see the album sales (good as they relatively are) dropping 'cause there's no (strong) single promoting it...

I told him so! ;)

"Talkin' 2 Myself" would have kept the momentum going. "No Love" is simply a mess in terms of its construction, and Lil' Wayne hurts the first half of the song.

Namaste,
Lisping Hibiscus

[singingsparrow]

Darius Rucker certainly has a wide lead among the Country crop presently. It doesn't even look like Sugarland is a contender for the top spot.

I'd say the Zac Brown Band is next in line for the summit, with Rodney Atkins having an outside chance at following suit should he pace himself correctly.

Namaste,
Lisping Hibiscus

[HolidayGuy]

I'm not sure about "Honey," but "My All" was discounted- at least the maxi single. Mimi famously was on Rosie O'Donnell's show touting how you could buy the maxi single for the same price as a regular single, and get all those mixes/tracks. And there were articles about Sony's singles discounting (even including "One Sweet Day").

There's no dispute that Sony probably marketed its singles more aggressively than other labels- the charts are a game, after all.

[musicissalvation]

Oct 19, 2010 16:58:10 GMT -5 Diego said:

TOP 20:
9. RIHANNA - Only Girl (In The World): 82.175 (+ 0.969)
RIHANNA - What's My Name f/Drake: 8.173 (+ 2.283)

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

Oct 19, 2010 15:54:42 GMT -5 cking33 said:

I'm only going to raise this point. I have a feeling it's going to spark a little bit of debate.

But I was thinking about this today ... Taylor Swift keeps releasing songs on iTunes before her album drops and they keep debuting in the top 10. Of course, she's not the only one that does it, she just happens to get a top 10 debut every time she releases a single. If she keeps this up, she can challenge some records down the road for most top 10 singles of all time.

Now we all know there are people out there who question the legitimacy of Mariah Carey's 18 #1 singles because some shrewd chart strategy was employed to ensure some of those songs got to #1 -- songs like "Honey," "My All," "Thank God I Found You," "Heartbreaker," and "Touch My Body." I'm just wondering if people see any comparison between these two accomplishments/tactics?

I don't have a problem with either. I think if Billboard says you have a top 10 song that week or the #1 song that week, you earned it, whether it stays there 1 week or 16 weeks. Because obviously in both instances, people have to like a song enough to buy it to get it to its position on the chart.

But I see some similarities in that Taylor's record company doesn't have to release all these songs ahead of time to iTunes, just like Mariah's label didn't have to time the release of all those singles to maximize their potential of hitting #1 on the Hot 100. Obviously, we're talking about different times in the music industry too. Something like this never could have happened when physical singles were out, where an artists releases a new single per week until the album drops. Taylor benefits from being at the peak of her popularity in such an era. If this was 15 or 20 years ago, maybe Mariah and Madonna could have done the same if iTunes existed.

What do others think? And try not to get too catty discussing it.

Just to clear up some facts Honey on had 3 weeks worth of airplay when it was released if that. Mariah could've released anything coming off the fantasy era and gotten a #1 single. Pretty much everyone was selling their single for 3.49/1.99/.99 at the time. Generally the 1.99/.99 sales prices were for songs that hadn't been on the shelf that long. Like a early purchase sales like they do with albums now.

Mariah's is much different her songs were charted in airplay as well and in high positions. It wasn't all sales impact that got her to #1.

[neverduplicated]

Oct 20, 2010 2:09:29 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Oct 19, 2010 15:54:42 GMT -5 cking33 said:

I'm only going to raise this point. I have a feeling it's going to spark a little bit of debate.

But I was thinking about this today ... Taylor Swift keeps releasing songs on iTunes before her album drops and they keep debuting in the top 10. Of course, she's not the only one that does it, she just happens to get a top 10 debut every time she releases a single. If she keeps this up, she can challenge some records down the road for most top 10 singles of all time.

Now we all know there are people out there who question the legitimacy of Mariah Carey's 18 #1 singles because some shrewd chart strategy was employed to ensure some of those songs got to #1 -- songs like "Honey," "My All," "Thank God I Found You," "Heartbreaker," and "Touch My Body." I'm just wondering if people see any comparison between these two accomplishments/tactics?

I don't have a problem with either. I think if Billboard says you have a top 10 song that week or the #1 song that week, you earned it, whether it stays there 1 week or 16 weeks. Because obviously in both instances, people have to like a song enough to buy it to get it to its position on the chart.

But I see some similarities in that Taylor's record company doesn't have to release all these songs ahead of time to iTunes, just like Mariah's label didn't have to time the release of all those singles to maximize their potential of hitting #1 on the Hot 100. Obviously, we're talking about different times in the music industry too. Something like this never could have happened when physical singles were out, where an artists releases a new single per week until the album drops. Taylor benefits from being at the peak of her popularity in such an era. If this was 15 or 20 years ago, maybe Mariah and Madonna could have done the same if iTunes existed.

What do others think? And try not to get too catty discussing it.

Just to clear up some facts Honey on had 3 weeks worth of airplay when it was released if that. Mariah could've released anything coming off the fantasy era and gotten a #1 single. Pretty much everyone was selling their single for 3.49/1.99/.99 at the time. Generally the 1.99/.99 sales prices were for songs that hadn't been on the shelf that long. Like a early purchase sales like they do with albums now.

Mariah's is much different her songs were charted in airplay as well and in high positions. It wasn't all sales impact that got her to #1.

True dat. I also think Mariah's singles sold so well because of her top-quality remixes that were often new songs altogether. The "My All" single contained "My All/Stay Awhile" and the Morales mix of "My All," both quite popular in their respective genres (it's also Mariah's third highest selling physical single ever). "Heartbreaker" contained the hip hop remix as well as the dance mix with "HB/If You Should Ever Be Lonely," not to mention the video was #1 for a while on MTV during a time when people actually watched MTV. "TGIFY" is a bit of a anomaly - doesn't really feel like a #1 hit. But even that single had an incredible remix ("TGIFY/Make it Last") and flew up the charts because physical singles were nearly dead by that point. As far as "TMB" goes, it was repressed much more than digital singles normally are today, and I think IDJ felt the blow from that with weak overall sales. But there's no saying it wouldn't have gone to #1 anyway if not repressed. The song hit #2 in airplay and the video was extremely popular and Mariah had all kinds of hype surrounding her at the moment.

And in response to HolidayGuys post, let's not forget "One Sweet Day" was #1 for 16 weeks... I doubt discounting is what propelled that song to #1.

I think the only time Mariah seemed desperate to get a #1 was with "Loverboy" because it was on sale practically everywhere for 49 cents and almost no one was releasing physical singles by that point. However, that song didn't even hit #1.

If it was so easy to just "play the game" so to speak and get #1 singles, we'd see more artists with 10+ #1 singles. But the fact of the matter is it's not easy to rack up that many #1's, regardless of any "strategy." Say what you want, but Mimi's #1's are legit.

As far as Taylor goes, I don't think her record company are doing all these promo singles in an attempt to break Hot 100 records. In this digital age some of those records seem to be fairly meaningless (i.e. Glee having most Hot 100 entries ever). All the focus for Taylor is on selling albums which her record has proved to be excellent at so far.

[#LisaRinna]

^ Thank you.

[Nadia]

Oct 20, 2010 1:33:37 GMT -5 @musicissalvation said:

Oct 19, 2010 16:58:10 GMT -5 Diego said:

TOP 20:
9. RIHANNA - Only Girl (In The World): 82.175 (+ 0.969)
RIHANNA - What's My Name f/Drake: 8.173 (+ 2.283)

[Enigma.]

CEE LO GREEN - F**k You (Forget You): 22.649 (- 0.348)

Why isn't this more successful?

[popstop]

Oct 20, 2010 4:49:42 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

CEE LO GREEN - F**k You (Forget You): 22.649 (- 0.348)

Why isn't this more successful?

Well, there is the F-bomb in the title, which loses it's impact when censored out. For some reason, the replacement release, Forget You, also doesn't have near the impact of the original without its four-letter word.

I would have loved to see it go top ten.

[KeepDeanWeird]

The only reason Loverboy didn't hit #1 was because Sony released Bootylicious at 99 the same week. (Several weeks after the song had been out. Coincidence?) I think labels have learned with digital that repression only means lost sales. It's great to see songs released immediately or within a few days -- like Pink and Rihanna when they start to hit radio. These promo singles are kind of a joke because Billboard counts them as "returns" when people do the complete your album. I wish that were the case with physical singles I bought before CD came out!

[HolidayGuy]

^With "Loverboy," at that time, with the right pricing, it was relatively easy to get a higher-than-usual chart position, with labels not releasing singles for so many radio hits. Before then, not many tracks peaking at No. 50 airplay woiuld be ion contention for No. 1. The labels that released CD singles saw their tracks landing better chart positions. (Of course, a track had to have a certain level of airplay to aid it.)

As stated, Sony was incomparable in its aggressive marketing tactics with singles. I didn't say "One Sweet Day" relied on the discounted single to reign for 16 weeks- just pointing out that it indeed was discounted. I recall in 1995/1996 there were a number of cassette singles selling for 99 cents (49 cents at the Wiz in NYC, I remember, for a time)- but I also think Sony aggressively priced CD singles to be around the same price (99 cents), when for other labels, it was $1.99 at the least for regular CD singles.

Any track reaching its peak on the Hot 100 is legit- it's a charts game, so whichever track has the most points and comes out on top- has nothing to do with how good or bad a track is. So, of course it's legit, regardless of marketing strategies. No one held a gun to the people who purchased 49-cent and 99-cent singles. Sony was smart. The only week where I'd say Mimi's No. 1 ranking wasn't legit was the first week "We Belong Together" ranked No. 1- and that was because Billboard erroneously counted the free downloads toward its sales. The following week, things were corrected, and WBT rightfully ranked on top.