HITS 11-2 Taylor Swift 975-1000K

[Taylor.]

Oct 27, 2010 23:42:57 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

Oct 27, 2010 21:43:51 GMT -5 strikeleo said:

The actual CD is 8 bucks on amazon, only the digital one is 3.99
so yeah, I dont really see your point, specially when its like, 14 bucks on Itunes.

They should still put an asterisk next to her name for making it that cheap on amazon. The next album will come out and she'll be selling it for a $1 or worse giving it away for free.

Uh, pretty sure most artists have a $3.99 deal on Amazon first week. Rihanna, Britney, Beyonce, all of them have had their album for $3.99.

[$uperb@tDuDe]

Oct 27, 2010 1:13:08 GMT -5 slicknickshady said:

Oct 26, 2010 23:51:40 GMT -5 @2m said:

When people were declaring the year over in August and giving Eminem the album of the year, I suggested then to not get too excited

This one definitely has a shot

Won't top Recovery. People were saying last year TB3 would outsell Relapse. While i was steadfast saying it wouldn't.

So you may think Eminem has no chance to get it but i think he will.


Eminem who? superbatboy? Tell me when Swift wins an academy award.

It was just a joke, jeez

[slicknickshady]

Recovery has never been available for $3.99 on Amazon.

I agree that people who think that's the sole reason it's selling so much more than expected are wrong. Of course it may help get her 30K more in digital sales but with what it's probably going to sell, it's not a big thing. Most albums are not bought digitally. So while it may help her sell a little more (30K) it's not the sole reason.

[Adonis the DemiGod!]

It makes a difference. I think they should put a star next to her name.

[musicintervention]

Bought this CD, only few artists i will actually buy from. Haven't bought an album since 2008 when Fearless came out.

[chopped89]

Please people don't have a stupid argument about who is gonna sell more by the end of the year!
To me it'll be like, Eminem sold more than 3million this year that's amazing because i am a fan of him plus, Eminem won two VMA's and will have a big chance on other awards events!
P.S the sales are going to be up this year because of Eminem, Susan, Lady A and Taylor!that's like 10-11 million copies sold combined only in the U.S in 2010!That's a good step!Plus, Kanye is gonna sell good, other artists will do good, too.
But in general i would like to see Em have the best selling album of the year and if he didn't get it, i wouldn't bother thinking about it!

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

LOL people are really getting upset cause they want a star next to her name? Then what? Will the world become a better place for it?

[jumpupandburst]

It would be amazing if she can even come close the million barrier! she has a very strong base to help her and it's actually a great album.

[#LisaRinna]

LOL @ 8 pages.

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Is "does she have an Academy Award" the new "do you even have a passport"?!

[BrokenArrow]

Oct 27, 2010 21:52:06 GMT -5 microcuts said:

Oct 27, 2010 17:29:58 GMT -5 BrokenArrow said:

I'll never understand why the US has this obsession with Swift, her songs seem so mediocre.

Why does the UK have an obsession with Take That?

Because they are a boy band that attracts loads of females. Their music is pretty bland.

"Mine" has pretty much flopped in the UK, entered @ #30 in the UK charts this week, despite being A listed on the main national radio station.

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lol I think you pretty much answered your own question on why the US has an obsession with Taylor there didn't you. Just substitute boy band with female singer.

[jj99$ - - LeLe]

Some of the Take that songs are actually good though.

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So are some of Taylor's. Problem solved.

[applechic]

Clearly certain people (*cough adonis cough*) are not very bright and continue saying the same thing over and over again like a 12 year old, despite getting owned by multiple people. Like I said before, don't be sour just because she is outselling your favorite artists. Haha.

[BrokenArrow]

Oct 28, 2010 7:20:40 GMT -5 @backintime said:

lol I think you pretty much answered your own question on why the US has an obsession with Taylor there didn't you. Just substitute boy band with female singer.

Does not compute.

Tweenies don't don't go gushing over female singers like they do with manbands.

Its a lot harder for a girl to sell music.

[Hook]

Oct 28, 2010 2:10:37 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

It makes a difference. I think they should put a star next to her name.

That's ridiculous. Like someone already said, many album releases have been that price on either the first day or the first week of release. Lady A's Need You Now album was sold for that price at Amazon. I remember the same thing with Green Day's latest. There are countless examples.

Besides, Amazon isn't iTunes. I believe their market share is still relatively small. It's not the same as if retail stores were selling the album for $3.99.

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Oct 28, 2010 9:22:09 GMT -5 BrokenArrow said:

Does not compute.

Tweenies don't don't go gushing over female singers like they do with manbands.

Its a lot harder for a girl to sell music.

All you're doing is showing you don't really know anything about Taylor and her audience. She understands her fans perfectly and releases music her target audience can relate to like no other at the moment. The only thing "tweenies" go for more than boy bands is artists who can articulate their experience and they can relate to.

[tsw2008]

Taylor is a star and obviously connects with a large audience that finds her and her music relateable. I'm not a fan of her music either but I can definitely see her appeal she is the polar opposite to typical generic pop stars, which are dime a dozen these days. She offers something completely different.

There is more to America than east and west coast, people need to remember that.

[HolidayGuy]

Not all acts may have had a $3.99 deal at amazon's mp3 store in their debut week- but many have, so it's fair game in that respect.

Again, I'm sure we'll see the sales breakdown- percentage of digital copies compared to physical. In any event, the album still will be the biggest sales week for a female in eons (and period) in the SoundScan era- and to accomplish that outside of the holiday shopping season- before Thanksgiving week even appears- and in such a declining market- is pretty phenomenal.

[BrokenArrow]

Oct 28, 2010 9:45:38 GMT -5 @backintime said:

Oct 28, 2010 9:22:09 GMT -5 BrokenArrow said:

Does not compute.

Tweenies don't don't go gushing over female singers like they do with manbands.

Its a lot harder for a girl to sell music.

All you're doing is showing you don't really know anything about Taylor and her audience. She understands her fans perfectly and releases music her target audience can relate to like no other at the moment. The only thing "tweenies" go for more than boy bands is artists who can articulate their experience and they can relate to.

Your right !

I don't understand her or her target audience.

Which is what I said in the first place.

Who are her audience?

[neverduplicated]

Oct 28, 2010 10:55:34 GMT -5 BrokenArrow said:

Oct 28, 2010 9:45:38 GMT -5 @backintime said:

All you're doing is showing you don't really know anything about Taylor and her audience. She understands her fans perfectly and releases music her target audience can relate to like no other at the moment. The only thing "tweenies" go for more than boy bands is artists who can articulate their experience and they can relate to.

Your right !

Who are her audience?

You don't get as big as Taylor does without having a broad fan base. Yes, teen girls are probably the heart and soul of Taylor's fan base, but by no means the entirety or even the majority. How could she win all those awards voted on by older people if she didn't appeal to older people? People forget that older people can relate to songs about young people in love. Older people were young people once - they know the feelings, they know the story, they may be witnessing it themselves with their own kids. People love nostalgia. Not to mention Taylor reaches out to a very broad range of genres and radio formats - she's got the country fans, the pop/rock fans, the adult contemporary fans. In a lot of ways, her success reminds me of Mariah in the early 90s - sweet wholesome girl next door who writes incredibly catchy and relateable tunes and reaches out to both young and old and crosses genres.

[ListenToItTwice]

Oct 28, 2010 9:39:08 GMT -5 Hook said:

Oct 28, 2010 2:10:37 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

It makes a difference. I think they should put a star next to her name.

That's ridiculous. Like someone already said, many album releases have been that price on either the first day or the first week of release. Lady A's Need You Now album was sold for that price at Amazon. I remember the same thing with Green Day's latest. There are countless examples.

Besides, Amazon isn't iTunes. I believe their market share is still relatively small. It's not the same as if retail stores were selling the album for $3.99.

Not to mention the fact that Taylor is an artist who still sells physical copies very well.

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Oct 28, 2010 9:39:08 GMT -5 Hook said:

Oct 28, 2010 2:10:37 GMT -5 Adonis the DemiGod! said:

It makes a difference. I think they should put a star next to her name.

That's ridiculous. Like someone already said, many album releases have been that price on either the first day or the first week of release. Lady A's Need You Now album was sold for that price at Amazon. I remember the same thing with Green Day's latest. There are countless examples.

Besides, Amazon isn't iTunes. I believe their market share is still relatively small. It's not the same as if retail stores were selling the album for $3.99.

THIS! Even without the 3.99 promotion, she still would have had a +700,000 opening.

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Some of the posts in this topic, chile........

[libri]

Oct 27, 2010 3:15:13 GMT -5 Nic (Britney Spears) said:

Oct 27, 2010 2:54:02 GMT -5 SPRΞΞ said:

i think Lady Gaga is much bigger than Taylor Swift, at least on the coastal regions. Taylor Swift, i bet, is more popular in middle-America. It's kinda like looking at a presidential race, and looking at the map of the country. The blue states are Gaga, and the red states are Taylor.

You know, it's funny how that actually makes sense. But I think Taylor is pretty evenly popular ALL OVER the US without really any faults anywhere. GaGa however, is completely ridiculed in the more conservative areas and much more loved in the liberal areas. I think Taylor is very static no matter where you go, while Gaga, in places, may be higher than Taylor but in other places, lower.

Completely ridiculed? Nah, I don't think anybody can sell 5 mil cds these days without selling to middle-America too. She's definitely much more popular in the big cities on the coastal regions, but that's true for all CHR artists. While for country artists, it isn't that lopsided. It's reflected in their (CHR and country artists) respective touring patterns. CHR artists mostly concentrate on primary markets, while country artists go to secondary and tertiary markets too. When Gaga announced her tour that included dates in the middle states, I wondered if she'd sell well there with the top price at $175. Well, she sold 'em out quickly too in cities such as Kansas City, Oklahoma City, Dallas (2 dates) and Houston ( 2 dates) and then added Omaha, Louisville (KY), Salt Lake City, Tulsa, and 4 more dates in TX for her tour next year. She's selling to middle-America too IMO.

That said, I don't think Gaga will sell as well as Taylor in the first week. Her release date (early next year) is less favorable and her core base is the late-teens and 20-somethings who aren't likely to wait breathlessly for the cd and just must have it RIGHT!NOW! This isn't at all saying that Taylor's base is just the pre-teen set. That kind of acts (Duff, Miley, JoBros, Bieber) don't sell 6 mil -- they usually top out at 3 mill+. Gaga could, however, outsell Taylor in the long run IF (and that's a big if) her next album is as strong as TF/TFM. I don't hear any smash pop hits on Speak Now -- it leans Hot-AC IMO. Internationally, Gaga will definitely outsell Taylor. TF/TFM sold ~6X as many copies as Fearless outside of NA, and 'Mine' currently isn't doing much at all there.

As for the 2010 best seller, I'd say Eminem. Taylor or LA 2nd. Taylor's sales trajectory this era seems to be front-loaded. SuBo or Bieber 4th. SuBo's CD doesn't seem to be doing as well on Amazon as the last one. Ditto Josh Groban's -- his lead single isn't doing well on AC right now.

Taylor certainly doesn't need to lower the price to open huge. What her team seems to be gunning for is that 1 mil debut. The good pricing on Amazon ($8 physical and $3.99 digital) could potentially make a difference on whether or not it crosses that threshold. But as noted by others, she's hardly the only artist doing that. Hell, I remember seeing a prominent display for Em's Encore on sale for $7 at Best Buy back in 2004.

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Oct 28, 2010 10:37:16 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

Not all acts may have had a $3.99 deal at amazon's mp3 store in their debut week- but many have, so it's fair game in that respect.

Again, I'm sure we'll see the sales breakdown- percentage of digital copies compared to physical. In any event, the album still will be the biggest sales week for a female in eons (and period) in the SoundScan era- and to accomplish that outside of the holiday shopping season- before Thanksgiving week even appears- and in such a declining market- is pretty phenomenal.

A little push higher than current projections and it will challenge the country soundscan record

[HolidayGuy]

^Yah- Sir Garth holds that record- now if people want to talk about asterisk, that is a record where I can see it. That sales total coincided with the week that mass merchants changed their reporting period from Saturday-Friday to Monday-Sunday to match other SoundScan reporters. So, from May 1991 to November 1998, titles appearing on the Billboard 200 did not have two days of sales from mass merchants counted in their opening tallies. On the flip side, those sales went toward those titles' second weeks, possibly resulting in smaller second-week percentage declines.

[Deleted]

The Double Live album in 1998 has the record, Soundscan was in place for a while by then


This threads obsession with asterisks is a little silly

[HolidayGuy]

Well, yes, I agree. :) But, the Double Live instance was notable because it was the first album in the SS era to benefit from that particular change.