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Post by Marv on Dec 13, 2010 0:26:57 GMT -5
Atlantaboy--i agree with you 100% regarding those four songs, and especially that exceptional Pink song; that song was made for Hot AC radio, since an overwhelming response at top 40 radio was a foregone conclusion.
I have no idea why they're not playing 'Raise Your Glass' or that terrific OneRepublic song (Secrets?) another perfect song for Hot AC and top 40.
GoldenEagle---I've been convinced for several years that there's very little spotaneity and/or 'outside the box' thinking at clear Channel; the fact that Seacrest is on over 100 of their top 40 stations pretty much condemns most of those stations to sounding alike--so much for 'exciting and creative' radio, huh?
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Post by Libra on Dec 13, 2010 0:46:16 GMT -5
How is that not a rhythmic playlist? There's not one rock leaning song on there. Because CBS says so, that's why.
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Post by tico on Dec 13, 2010 0:48:22 GMT -5
When listening to some of the smaller-market CC CHRs, I think they were using the same playlists. Is that the Premium Choice programming they're using?
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Post by musicfanpete on Dec 13, 2010 21:58:14 GMT -5
I wasn't aware that CHR/Rhythmic stations were playing Katy Perry or Ke$ha, which is why I didn't consider KAMP to be a CHR/rhythmic station. Oh I see what you're saying. I did not realize KAMP plays Katy Perry and Ke$ha. However, I always thought of Ke$ha as more of a rhythmic act that fits on mainstream CHR and even Hot AC. Also, rhythmic stations like B-96 in Chicago have been heavy on Perry since "Hot N Cold" became a big hit a couple of years ago. But I still say KAMP is close enough to be called a rhythmic CHR as well.
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Post by musicfanpete on Dec 13, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
How is that not a rhythmic playlist? There's not one rock leaning song on there. Because CBS says so, that's why. Very true!
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 14, 2010 7:21:03 GMT -5
On the Rhythmic chart...
17 17 KESHA We R Who We R 2200 1920 280
26 20 KATY PERRY Firework 1853 1278 575
54 Rhythmic stations are currently playing Kesha, and 45 are currently paying Katy Perry
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Post by Marv on Dec 14, 2010 13:27:53 GMT -5
Thanks for pointing that out, but I still respectfully maintain that Hot AC replaced CHR/Pop as the format for adults and baby-boomers (including yours truly) who just wanted to 'hear the hits' without having to worry about putting up with Eminem, Kanye West or other rap artists who are core acts at top 40 radio.
Top 40 continues to be a producer-dominated format, and folks like myself who loved the format when the songwriters ruled as recently as Sheryl Crow & Rob Thomas/MB20 did in the mid-to-late-nineties
I pointed out on the thread regarding the modified Mediabase panel that over a dozen stations ignored both 'Over & Over' and 'In The End' several years ago, yet those two songs still hit #1 @ R&R.
I'm totally perplexed as to why neither KIIS nor KAMP is playing 'Raise Your Glass--I can only assume that CCs regional manager has decided that the Pink song 'belongs' to Hot AC KBIG, although AC legend KOST could start playing it when they return to regular programming on Christmas Day.
Granted there are some rhythmic artists who are certainly welcome at Hot AC including Ke$sha, Lady Gage, Katy Perry, and even a couple of tracks from the BEP, as well as all of the rock acts (Train/Daughtry/Avril Lavigne/Rob Thomas) that CHR/Pop stations don't play nearly enough of IMHO.
The same was the case in the late nineties; Hot AC had no problem playing the Spice Girls, the Backstreet Boys, 'NSync and all of the rest of the 'kiddie pop' stuff, as well as rock & alternative music from the Wallflowers, Third Eye Blind, No Doubt and all the rest.
KIIS, WHTZ, WNCI, KHKS, WDCG, WXKS and all of the other top 40 heavyweights back then certainly had no problem playing all of the 'kiddie pop' stuff alongside the rock & alternative stuff.
The key difference between that 1997-2000 timeframe and the 2007-2010 time frame is the dramatic dropoff in the presence of rock & alternative music at the format today.
I certainly wish that top 40 radio would play a lot more rock & roll than they do, but the rhythmic stuff continues to dominate the format, with little or no room for ballads or rock music.
Something tells me that mega-smashes such as 'Complicated' & 'Smooth' would have also been ignored by KIIS & KAMP, as well as lots of other top 40 outlets nationwide if they were sent to radio today, which I find to be flat-out disgusting.
That for me is an indictment of the state of top 40 radio today, and is certainly responsible for atlantaboy's disgust & reprehension about the CHR/Pop panel being what it is.
And as usual, I agree with him.
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Post by Libra on Dec 14, 2010 19:54:14 GMT -5
The Clear Channel machine did not exist back in 1997-2000. If it had, I can't help but think things would have been different back then.
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Post by tico on Dec 15, 2010 1:36:57 GMT -5
I wish CHR could go back to the glorydays of mass appeal, when any and everything was played.
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Post by gtomaro on Dec 17, 2010 9:15:59 GMT -5
Hopefully by next year, a lot of rhythmic-leaning big market stations (New York, Los Angeles, etc.) better add a lot more rock and alternative than all that garbage rap, hip-hop and rhythmic music that's been plaguing this format for the last few years!!!
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Post by J. Rob on Dec 26, 2010 12:44:33 GMT -5
I wish CHR could go back to the glorydays of mass appeal, when any and everything was played. Me too. I remember in the late 90s and early 00s you could hear a Faith Hill song right after a DMX song lol. If a song was in the Top 40, it got played. Period.
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Post by EvanJ on Dec 27, 2010 20:47:48 GMT -5
I wish CHR could go back to the glorydays of mass appeal, when any and everything was played. Me too. I remember in the late 90s and early 00s you could hear a Faith Hill song right after a DMX song lol. If a song was in the Top 40, it got played. Period. Something like DMX next to Faith Hill can be heard on WIGX 94.3 Smithtown, NY that I can get. For example, WIGX played Aerosmith's "I Don't Want To Miss A Thing" in between the R&B songs "I Like The Way (The Kissing Game)" by Hi-Five and "I Want Her" by Keith Sweat. They played "Candy Shop" by 50 Cent in between Red Hot Chili Peppers's "Under The Bridge" and Natalie Imbruglia's "Torn." They played "Blurry" by Puddle Of Mudd in between "Strike It Up" by Black Box and "Walking On Sunshine" by Katrina & the Waves. Edit: WIGX plays songs from the 2000s but no currents. Looking at their last 166 songs played, I think Pussycat Dolls's "Don't Cha" was the most recent. Pink, Kelly Clarkson, Rihanna, Nickelback, Black Eyed Peas, Outkast, Nelly, Alicia Keys, Linkin Park, and John Mayer are among the artists with songs from the 2000s WIGX played during that time.
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Post by tico on Dec 27, 2010 21:54:15 GMT -5
That seems like one of those Gen-X stations that's been popping up all over recently. They play primarily 90s music with some 80s and 2000s sprinkled in. Memphis and Baton Rouge both have Gen-X stations.
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Post by Minor Scratch on Dec 28, 2010 15:17:03 GMT -5
Yea I think the GX on the call letters mean Gen-X. KSGX in the Seattle area just flipped from Active Rock to this Gen-X format on Nov 20. I think Clear Channel will be rolling out a lot of these in the coming months. The last ten songs they spun were:
Inoj - Love You Down 28.12.2010 Lit - My Own Worst Enemy 28.12.2010 R.E.M. - Stand 28.12.2010 Aerosmith - Cryin' 28.12.2010 2Pac - Changes 28.12.2010 U2 - Pride (In The Name Of Love) 28.12.2010 Dave Matthews Band - The Space Between 28.12.2010 Mariah Carey - Someday 28.12.2010 Staind - It's Been Awhile 28.12.2010 Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock - It Takes Two 28.12.2010
Pretty impressive.
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Post by Marv on Dec 29, 2010 15:53:29 GMT -5
They've also dramatically refocused several of their stations in other formats recently; my hometown Hot AC KBIG/LA recently started using the positioning statement 'Today's best music from the nineties and now', and has apparently dropped all of their eighties music, which is flat-out disgusting.
Since the eighties were a substantially better decade for top 40 radio than the nineties were, that consequently gives today's Hot AC stations much better gold cuts for their libraries.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 29, 2010 22:20:13 GMT -5
^In 2000, most Hot ACs were playing "The 80s, 90s, and Today", so I guess it makes sense that in 2010 Hot ACs are playing "The 90s, 2000s, and now" Our Hot AC basically doesn't play anything from before 1998, and most of the stuff they play is from the last 3-4 years (the same 30-40 songs over and over again )
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Post by atlantaboy on May 2, 2011 19:43:54 GMT -5
So I finally got some confirmation from people on a radio message board that it's much easier and profitable to sell advertising as a "CHR" than as a "Rhythmic", which pretty much explains why so many Rhythmic stations report to the pop panel
So when people ask five years from now why Hey Soul Sister only peaked at #3 on the pop charts, or why Taylor Swift and Avril can't crack the Top 10, we can tell them it's because people in the radio industry are manipulating format classifications
Sorry to be negative lol, but this kind of bugs me - oh well...
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Post by musicfanpete on May 14, 2011 14:06:41 GMT -5
So I finally got some confirmation from people on a radio message board that it's much easier and profitable to sell advertising as a "CHR" than as a "Rhythmic", which pretty much explains why so many Rhythmic stations report to the pop panel So when people ask five years from now why Hey Soul Sister only peaked at #3 on the pop charts, or why Taylor Swift and Avril can't crack the Top 10, we can tell them it's because people in the radio industry are manipulating format classifications Sorry to be negative lol, but this kind of bugs me - oh well... Yeah, this bugs me too because I don't like seeing Hot AC's like WTMX become essentially mainstream CHR stations playing music that has to turn off a certain segment of adult music listeners. The powers that be may as well just get rid of the Rhythmic CHR chart altogether and shift the music that appeals to the majority of adults to the mainstream AC chart, which is pretty much happening now anyway.
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Post by Marv on May 29, 2011 17:58:30 GMT -5
Hot AC stations just have to be extremely careful about the rap/rhythmic product they choose to play from the likes of the BEP and other acts.
To this day, I still have no idea how a hard-core rap song such as 'Over & Over' wound up on Casey's year-end Hot AC countdown in 2004 after peaking in the upper teens on his 'Casey's Top 20' Hot AC countdown back then.
As long as most of CC's top 40 stations follow the template of WKFS/Cincinnati, the format is going to sound as monotonous as it has ever been; the 1980s CHR/Pop template of 'play all the hits regardless of genre' is alive & well at Hot AC stations today, but if that's the way Clear Channel wants it.......
Thank goodness for all those rebroadcasts of 'American Top 40' countdowns from the 1970s and 1980s which air every weekend on dozens of stations of very different formats (AC/Hot AC/Adult Hits) across the country, with two exceptional years for top 40 radio (1978 & 1988) being aired this weekend.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 29, 2011 19:11:01 GMT -5
Over and Over a hardcore rap song?! LOL. That doesn't even qualify as Hip-Hop.
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Post by atlantaboy on May 29, 2011 21:31:28 GMT -5
^Yeah, Marv I think you need to listen to some hard core rap lol
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Post by Adam (UTR) on Jul 8, 2011 8:20:49 GMT -5
The panel's now up to 158 stations, a gain of two. One of them is WAYV-FM/Atlantic City being shifted from the Hot AC panel to the Pop panel, but I can't tell what the other one is.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 8, 2011 9:04:16 GMT -5
KMVA Phoenix is back and KLTO San Antonio is new.
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Post by Marv on Jul 13, 2011 8:59:21 GMT -5
I goofed--KBIG has not dropped their 80s music, and neither have most intelligently-programmed Hot AC station.
As I've pointed out previously, KIIS-FM hit a 10.0 in the fall of 1984, when the format really shined thanks to welcoming all genres of music.
The current 8.7 and 9.5 shares for WNCI & WXKS are flat-out astonishing, and I wouldn't be surprised if somebody launches a new top 40 station in Boston one of these days.
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