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Post by elementd5 on Nov 21, 2010 14:32:47 GMT -5
The chart is perfect the way it is. It's the most fair formula. No one prevents them other songs to be sold for 99 cents too. You're right. no one prevents the others from selling for 99c but obviously Rihanna'a team are the desperate ones. I am sure the other contestants would like to be #1 too but they choose to not cheat. :) Dropping the song price 4 days before the end of the week and begging young fans on Facebook to buy the song AGAIN is ridiculous! I am a fan of Rihanna's song but what her team is doing is so wrong! :) The good news, I think we all know what's gonna be #1 next week! :) It's not cheating, so NEXT! |
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Post by $uperb@tDuDe on Nov 21, 2010 15:10:02 GMT -5
SHAME on Rihanna for using tricks just for steal another No-1.... I think Bollboard must change the chart system . i think we have to go back to the 80% airplay-20% sales... without discount prices on itubes or Amazon... Someone has to prevent this chart...otherwise US official chart would become ...Belgium chart Rihanna would still be getting #1's with an airplay heavy system since she is played on multiple formats. Plus we'd never hear the end of people complaining about R&B/Hip Hop dominating the Hot 100 again. The system is perfect how it is. |
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Post by $uperb@tDuDe on Nov 21, 2010 15:14:14 GMT -5
The chart is perfect the way it is. It's the most fair formula. No one prevents them other songs to be sold for 99 cents too. You're right. no one prevents the others from selling for 99c but obviously Rihanna'a team are the desperate ones. I am sure the other contestants would like to be #1 too but they choose to not cheat. :) Dropping the song price 4 days before the end of the week and begging young fans on Facebook to buy the song AGAIN is ridiculous! I am a fan of Rihanna's song but what her team is doing is so wrong! :) The good news, I think we all know what's gonna be #1 next week! :) It's not cheating if everyone is capable of reducing prices. Pink's camp could've done the same. The music charts are a game, Rihanna's camp came to play. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2010 15:22:03 GMT -5
I mean, the $1.29 is the one that's getting majority of the sales and has been rising even despite the cheaper version...it's not as if the version selling for 99 cents is one fans are buying more.  (And there still wouldn't be anything wrong with that) |
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Post by Kylie4Ever on Nov 21, 2010 15:34:08 GMT -5
I mean, the $1.29 is the one that's getting majority of the sales and has been rising even despite the cheaper version...it's not as if the version selling for 99 cents is one fans are buying more. (And there still wouldn't be anything wrong with that) both units are 99c ... the increase started since it went on sale. it was charting around #7-#9 for the last 3 weeks. :) |
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 21, 2010 16:12:05 GMT -5
songs also increase when albums are released^ see fu*k you
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Post by bybkt on Nov 21, 2010 16:36:39 GMT -5
songs also increase when albums are released^ see fu*k you Fuck you increase due to hype of gLee |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2010 16:48:04 GMT -5
The timing of the two sort of helps too
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Post by applechic on Nov 21, 2010 17:11:04 GMT -5
SHAME on Rihanna for using tricks just for steal another No-1.... I think Bollboard must change the chart system . i think we have to go back to the 80% airplay-20% sales... without discount prices on itubes or Amazon... Someone has to prevent this chart...otherwise US official chart would become ...Belgium chart The US chart would lose all credibility if they did that. Period. You can't "steal" No. 1's...she'll get another No. 1 because she earned it. |
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Post by d.t.m on Nov 21, 2010 17:17:01 GMT -5
Rihanna could easily wind up with a 11-12 #1's by this time next year. IDJ may not always hit home runs with her singles, but overall they're on top of their game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2010 17:17:36 GMT -5
The song was discounted only 30 cents, it is not like they are giving it away
If enough people buy it to push it to #1 then so be it
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 21, 2010 17:32:56 GMT -5
The timing of the two sort of helps too glee didnt help till this week. yea sure there was the youtube cover but i doubt that did anything. it moved up 8 spots on the hot 100 b/c the album was released |
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Post by bybkt on Nov 21, 2010 17:34:38 GMT -5
I wish "Fuck You" were #1 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
IMO FU >>WRWWR & RYG>>>>>>>>>>>>>the rest of Hot 100
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Post by slw84 on Nov 21, 2010 18:22:23 GMT -5
I wonder if Bruno's Just The Way You Are will make a return trip to #1 since it's going to be featured on Glee this week. doubtful. it could happen, but i dont think so. and im starting to get mad at people for complaining about a price cut. seriosuly a price CUT. god. some of us look for bargins. some of us like sales. and some of us cant afford to always buy songs for 1.29. he team is very fair and being nice to the fans. who cares if they are doing this for the number one. the team couldve just bought the extra copies themselves. instead they are letting fans get a discount Is the percentage currently 50/50? If so, that is as fair as it gets. Don't throw 3 or What's my name into. They fairly hit #1 on the charts. You do realize that most people don't even look at chart positions to determine whether it is a hit. I'd rather OG hit #1 than WMN only because it seems like a better song but the rules are the rules. Riri can have all her #1 singles...and who cares about glee vs. beatles. In two-three years Glee will be a thing of the past and it will not matter if they have more chart entries...Beatles song made history on quality. |
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Post by pnobelysk on Nov 21, 2010 19:08:42 GMT -5
i dont think its 50/50 more like 50 airplay, 45 sales, 5 streaming. i dont think thats right but its close
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Post by WotUNeed on Nov 21, 2010 20:20:37 GMT -5
There are no fixed percentages. It depends on the song. For example, most Glee songs are probably 99.5% sales, 0.5% airplay. Songs with no purchaseable single available are nearly 100% airplay, with whatever streams accounting for some minimal chart points if monitored streams are available.
The points are unweighted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2010 20:25:39 GMT -5
I think that's right to a certain extent
There is no consistency. Not all songs are treated equally. However, if in extreme examples like say, Kid Rock songs where there is no single component. I don't think they just throw everything into airplay, otherwise, 'All Summer Long' would have charted higher(because it was a big airplay hit). They likely weight it down a bit because there are no sales on Kid Rock singles (at least until this album)
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Post by badrobot on Nov 21, 2010 22:53:13 GMT -5
When you hear percentages you are only hearing an average distribution. They convert sales and airplay into points and add them up.
Sales are divided by 10
(so 100,000 downloads sold = 10,000 chart points)
Audience impressions are divided by 10,000
(so 100 million impressions = 10,000 chart points)
Streamings are divided by 500
(so 50,000 streams = 100 chart points)
They add all those points up for each song, and then you have the order of the Hot 100.
There is no "weighting" beyond the divisors they choose to determine points. For example, each individual sale weighed more when they first started using digital sales (they used to divide by 5) until sales grew to a point where it was, on average, giving more weight to sales than they wanted. So they switched it to divide by 10.
Every song is treated equally.
But if a song gets say, 150m audience impressions and 100k sales, it's getting about 60% of its points from airplay. If a song gets 50m audience impressions and 200k sales, it's getting about 80% of its points from sales. (I'm ignoring streaming because it's a smaller factor and also we rarely get those statistics.)
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Post by KMJ1 on Nov 21, 2010 23:52:38 GMT -5
^ who do u think will hit #1 this week? Ri or Pink?
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Nov 22, 2010 2:18:50 GMT -5
I really love that WRWWR, RYG, and Firework are at the top of itunes. Nice inspiration for being different. Wish Gaga would hurry up and release Born This Way so that all four would be at the top together :)
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Nov 22, 2010 2:37:21 GMT -5
RYG isnt' different. It's a standard P!nk track and not even a very good one at that.
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Post by nighttime on Nov 22, 2010 2:44:46 GMT -5
RYG isnt' different. It's a standard P!nk track and not even a very good one at that. I believe he means in that the lyrical content is about embracing yourself / "being different". |
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Post by Rεvôlvεr† on Nov 22, 2010 4:52:17 GMT -5
You're right. no one prevents the others from selling for 99c but obviously Rihanna'a team are the desperate ones. I am sure the other contestants would like to be #1 too but they choose to not cheat. :) Dropping the song price 4 days before the end of the week and begging young fans on Facebook to buy the song AGAIN is ridiculous! I am a fan of Rihanna's song but what her team is doing is so wrong! :) The good news, I think we all know what's gonna be #1 next week! :) It's not cheating, so NEXT! No, it's not. There are TONS of songs on iTunes being sold for $.99 like they used to be before they upped prices. Even some new singles start off at $.99 instead of the usual $1.29. |
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Post by F.A.M.O.U.S. on Nov 22, 2010 11:50:32 GMT -5
Can we get back to radio updates please??  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 12:48:12 GMT -5
Rihanna Breaks Pop Songs No. 1 Record
by Gary Trust | November 22, 2010 11:05 EST
The song is Rihanna's seventh Pop Songs leader, pushing the singer - and 2010 American Music Award winner - past Beyonce, Mariah Carey and Lady Gaga, each with six.
"Only Girl (In the World)" introduces Rihanna's fifth studio album, "Loud," which is expected to debut in the top 10 of the Billboard 200 to be refreshed, along with all charts, Thursday (Nov. 25) on Billboard.com. The song has reached No. 2 on the Billboard Hot 100. Follow-up "What's My Name?," featuring Drake, topped the Hot 100 two weeks ago.
Here is a look at the seven songs that have propelled Rihanna into the lead for most Pop Songs No. 1s since the Nielsen BDS-based list launched the week of Oct. 3, 1992:
"SOS"
Date Reached No. 1: May 13, 2006
Weeks at No. 1: one
"Take a Bow"
Date Reached No. 1: July 5, 2008
Weeks at No. 1: three
"Disturbia"
Date Reached No. 1: Oct. 4, 2008
Weeks at No. 1: three
"Live Your Life" (T.I. featuring Rihanna)
Date Reached No. 1: Dec. 27, 2008
Weeks at No. 1: two
"Rude Boy"
Date Reached No. 1: May 8, 2010
Weeks at No. 1: two
"Love the Way You Lie" (Eminem featuring Rihanna)
Date Reached No. 1: Aug. 21, 2010
Weeks at No. 1: two
"Only Girl (In the World)"
Date Reached No. 1: Dec. 4, 2010
Weeks at No. 1: one (to-date)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2010 12:49:21 GMT -5
Only Girl reaches #1 on Pop
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Post by Epic Fail on Nov 22, 2010 12:55:03 GMT -5
It so funny that her biggest hit, Umbrella, did not make the list.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 22, 2010 13:24:31 GMT -5
I updated a post in the Pop forum Re females at pop radio. Going back to 1973- the start of Radio & Records- these are the females with the most No. 1s at Pop (per R&R):
Madonna: 15
Mariah Carey: 14
Whitney Houston: 11
Janet Jackson: 9
Rihanna: 7
Beyonce: 6
Lady Gaga: 6
Paula Abdul: 6
Britney Spears: 5
Pink: 5
Alanis Morrissette: 5
Barbra Streisand: 5
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Post by slw84 on Nov 22, 2010 14:00:23 GMT -5
I updated a post in the Pop forum Re females at pop radio. Going back to 1973- the start of Radio & Records- these are the females with the most No. 1s at Pop (per R&R): Madonna: 15 Mariah Carey: 14 Whitney Houston: 11 Janet Jackson: 9 Rihanna: 7 Beyonce: 6 Lady Gaga: 6 Paula Abdul: 6 Britney Spears: 5 Pink: 5 Barbra Streisand: 5 Aren't they using the one for 1993 and beyond. If so, I love how Mariah, Beyonce, Gaga, Brit Brit, Pink and Riri and making things interesting since they are so close. Almost like the three way tie at one point with Mariah, Whitney, and Madonna for #1's at one point. |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Nov 22, 2010 14:06:04 GMT -5
Yes- Billboard's Mainstream Top 40 chart/Pop Songs only debuted circa September 1992. I just posted the R&R Pop info as an FYI, for those interested to see a larger scope.
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