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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 8, 2011 10:09:43 GMT -5
at least we get new Gaga tomorrow. :)
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Post by when the pawn... on May 8, 2011 10:20:01 GMT -5
Real Time Update: Judas +109 - Ranks #11 for today so far...video + HBO special = <3?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 10:21:32 GMT -5
This has been losing audience for 3 straight days now. Something is clearly wrong. Only 3? I think at least 5 ???
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 8, 2011 10:31:12 GMT -5
Real Time Update: Judas +109 - Ranks #11 for today so far...video + HBO special = <3? the HBO special has nothing to do with radio, lol. If anything, it's because its debuted on AT40, no?
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Post by lucytor on May 8, 2011 10:41:35 GMT -5
This is the first Gaga single since Telephone that I love. Hope EoG doesn't affect its radio performance, but it probably will, given radio's reluctance to play it :/ Just why she decided to release a song called "JUDAS" in the Christian States of America I'll never figure out. I do commend her guts.
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Post by blue in moonlight on May 8, 2011 10:53:52 GMT -5
I still love this song but its performance has been very disappointing thus far. I hope it can recover some but it seems like Gaga and her team had a plan in case this underperformed. The countdown/promo singles is a good idea. People are responding cautiously to her after responding to BTW frenetically out of the gate. Giving them a taste of what else they can expect from the Born This Way album as the release date looms certainly won't hurt.
I hope she continues to push the boundaries as she didn't get to the top of the game playing it safe. But perhaps it would be wise to steer clear of the overt religious references for a while. People didn't take to it in the "Alejandro" video and they appear to not care for it when she did it a different manner with "Judas." Let's consider that ground covered for now and move on to the next adventure.
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Post by Black Jesus on May 8, 2011 10:58:39 GMT -5
Loving the RealTime for today. I really hope its debut on AT40 can push it a lot higher.
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Post by LordEctar on May 8, 2011 11:12:46 GMT -5
Just why she decided to release a song called "JUDAS" in the Christian States of America I'll never figure out. I do commend her guts. I think if you have a truly good song, you can still push the boundaries and get a hit. Example: Madonna's "Like A Prayer". I think the problem with "Judas" is that the song just isn't that good to begin with, regardless of the music video. I think Lady Gaga needs to steer herself away from being a gimmick. People have very high expectations for all of her performances, songs, and music videos now since she has set up a massive cult of shock value around her work. I think she needs to ride this album out in a more tone-downed way so that people can get use to her without the weird dog and pony show.
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Post by chartfreak on May 8, 2011 11:30:56 GMT -5
^^Perfectly said.
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Post by blue in moonlight on May 8, 2011 11:43:10 GMT -5
Just why she decided to release a song called "JUDAS" in the Christian States of America I'll never figure out. I do commend her guts. I think if you have a truly good song, you can still push the boundaries and get a hit. Example: Madonna's "Like A Prayer". I think the problem with "Judas" is that the song just isn't that good to begin with, regardless of the music video. I think Lady Gaga needs to steer herself away from being a gimmick. People have very high expectations for all of her performances, songs, and music videos now since she has set up a massive cult of shock value around her work. I think she needs to ride this album out in a more tone-downed way so that people can get use to her without the weird dog and pony show. A slightly more toned down period has it's place but it's a fine line to walk. She has to be conscious not to lose herself in the process. Suggestions that she do a complete image 180 are short-sighted. Gaga can certainly reel it back a bit, but, more importantly, she also needs to make sure she continues to surprise people. Perhaps the problem with "Judas" is it isn't surprising enough? I can see it either way. I think many are quick to mislabel Gaga as a Madonna clone because pop music honestly hasn't had a provocateur quite like her since Madge in the 80's and 90's. Sure, we've had plenty of sexy and sultry pop stars but those are old hat. Pop music occasionally needs it's Lady Gagas just like it occasionally needs success stories from more traditional singer-songwriters like Adele and steady but relatively inoffensive pop hit makers like Katy Perry or Britney Spears.
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Post by atlantaboy on May 8, 2011 11:48:29 GMT -5
Just why she decided to release a song called "JUDAS" in the Christian States of America I'll never figure out. I do commend her guts. Is Judas doing much better in Europe? Honestly, I don't think it has anything to do with religious controversy - it's just a weird hook to keep repeating over and over (Judas - Ju Da A As) - I'd almost say a majority of her listeners don't really even know who Judas is (specifically), so the hook just makes no sense to them
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Post by neally on May 8, 2011 11:49:58 GMT -5
I still love this song but its performance has been very disappointing thus far. I hope it can recover some but it seems like Gaga and her team had a plan in case this underperformed. I posted this in the Polling Booth and wanted to see what y'all think:
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 8, 2011 12:00:46 GMT -5
I think the song's underperformance isn't related to religion or people not knowing who Judas is. I think it's specifically down to the hooks of the song. The chorus is catchy but the "ju-da ju da ah ah" can be an instant turn off for a lot of people. With Bad Romance, the "ra ra oh la la" part blended with the song better whereas I feel like this one sits over the song and has too much focus.
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Post by rosemoor on May 8, 2011 12:16:52 GMT -5
To me, it's simple, I'm not religious and I don't care too much about lyrics before I get hooked on by the sound anyway. I really think BTW and Judas just don't sound as good as her previous singles, much worse actually. BTW came as a big disappointment to me, then Judas is no better, just dampened my interest in her a lot.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on May 8, 2011 12:23:10 GMT -5
The song is instantly catchy, IMO. The JUDAS-chant and the chorus are standouts. The production is interesting.
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Post by neally on May 8, 2011 12:24:00 GMT -5
To me, it's simple, I'm not religious and I don't care too much about lyrics before I get hooked on by the sound anyway. I really think BTW and Judas just don't sound as good as her previous singles, much worse actually. BTW came as a big disappointment to me, then Judas is no better, just dampened my interest in her a lot. 100% agree. It seems that with 'Judas', she tried too hard to capture the sonic brilliance of 'Romance' with the same essential chord progression and similar melody but with "edgier lyrics" to fit the new album's theme. She has described 'Judas' as a more typical "Gaga record". I think the relative underperformance of 'Judas' can be partially explained by this theory of her ripping off herself and it's starting to show.
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Post by atlantaboy on May 8, 2011 12:30:27 GMT -5
Don't you guys think people might not understand what the song's about? (They don't "get" it so they don't like it)
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Post by neally on May 8, 2011 12:33:05 GMT -5
Don't you guys think people might not understand what the song's about? (They don't "get" it so they don't like it) I think it has less to do with the message and more with the song structure as Max and others have pointed out. Does anyone today know what a "Boom Boom Pow" is ? I still have yet to understand what that song was about yet it was uber-successful.
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Post by nightshade on May 8, 2011 12:34:04 GMT -5
Don't you guys think people might not understand what the song's about? (They don't "get" it so they don't like it) Thank you. There is nothing wrong with how catchy it is or how the production is. It is all quality.
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Post by nightshade on May 8, 2011 12:35:22 GMT -5
Don't you guys think people might not understand what the song's about? (They don't "get" it so they don't like it) I think it has less to do with the message and more with the song structure as Max and others have pointed out. Does anyone today know what a "Boom Boom Pow" is ? I still have yet to understand what that song was about yet it was uber-successful. Enjoy.
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Post by neally on May 8, 2011 12:37:15 GMT -5
I think it has less to do with the message and more with the song structure as Max and others have pointed out. Does anyone today know what a "Boom Boom Pow" is ? I still have yet to understand what that song was about yet it was uber-successful. Enjoy.I LMAO'ed reading that. Thanks, but #4... :o
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 12:38:32 GMT -5
I think it has less to do with the message and more with the song structure as Max and others have pointed out. Does anyone today know what a "Boom Boom Pow" is ? I still have yet to understand what that song was about yet it was uber-successful. Enjoy.lol too bad all of those were made after BBP's release.
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Post by hitseeker. on May 8, 2011 12:38:48 GMT -5
I think it has less to do with the message and more with the song structure as Max and others have pointed out. Does anyone today know what a "Boom Boom Pow" is ? I still have yet to understand what that song was about yet it was uber-successful. Enjoy. at #3 LOL
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 12:42:52 GMT -5
I think it has less to do with the message and more with the song structure as Max and others have pointed out. Does anyone today know what a "Boom Boom Pow" is ? I still have yet to understand what that song was about yet it was uber-successful. Enjoy.LMAO@ #4
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Post by TGIF on May 8, 2011 13:01:38 GMT -5
aww videos views are amazing but i thought when i woke up this would be top 10 on itunes :(
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Post by atlantaboy on May 8, 2011 13:01:41 GMT -5
Don't you guys think people might not understand what the song's about? (They don't "get" it so they don't like it) I think it has less to do with the message and more with the song structure as Max and others have pointed out. Does anyone today know what a "Boom Boom Pow" is ? I still have yet to understand what that song was about yet it was uber-successful. I gotta disagree - people might not know what Boom Boom Pow is about, but it sounds like something you do when you party lol I think "I'm in love with Judas" is just confusing to people, and so is repeating the name Judas over and over
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Post by TGIF on May 8, 2011 13:08:16 GMT -5
the song's message is not the reason why its not doing well....its not really that offensive and songs with religious controversies have done very well on both radio and itunes, even going #1 before i think the structure is just too same-y to some of her other singles, i think a slight change would be nice so i'm really looking forward to Edge Of Glory
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Post by Acid Eyes on May 8, 2011 13:10:00 GMT -5
You know who I blame? THIS GURL.
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Post by TGIF on May 8, 2011 13:16:04 GMT -5
LOL that girl's video was all over tumblr!
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Post by Au$tin on May 8, 2011 13:22:15 GMT -5
the song's message is not the reason why its not doing well....its not really that offensive and songs with religious controversies have done very well on both radio and itunes, even going #1 before i think the structure is just too same-y to some of her other singles, i think a slight change would be nice so i'm really looking forward to Edge Of Glory I don't mean to argue with you, but this song is extremely offensive to religious freaks. They fail to see the figurative meaning in the song, or they do see it, but think the metaphor is offensive and shouldn't be used. Yes, there have been songs that have religious controversy in them and become hits, but I think this one crosses boundaries that haven't been crossed before. The metaphor in the song literally plainly says "I am in love with the man who killed the messiah." I don't have a problem with it because I know it's just a metaphor, but unfortunately, not everyone feels that way. I do think this song is extremely similar to "Bad Romance," but I don't think that that's really hurting the song that much. Besides, "Poker Face" is "Just Dance" 2.0, and that didn't hurt it. Not to mention "Alejandro" is "Don't Turn Around" 2.0 and "Born This Way" is "Express Yourself" 2.0.
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