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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 13:29:40 GMT -5
The whole religious freak thing is silly to me anyway because Evangelical Christians are not listening to Lady Gaga or pop radio anyway.
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Post by nightshade on May 8, 2011 14:21:06 GMT -5
Just a nice sidenote...one of my local stations hardly EVER plays Judas actually I've checked yes.com and they haven't played it in days after I've requested twice a day. Another one of my local stations plays it but edited out "Judas is the demon I cling to, I cling to." So...what does that say? oh and I live in southern Texas where it's far more liberal than other Texas areas. They spun Born This Way like crazy but when it comes to religion.
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Post by atlantaboy on May 8, 2011 14:33:52 GMT -5
The whole religious freak thing is silly to me anyway because Evangelical Christians are not listening to Lady Gaga or pop radio anyway. Not sure what you mean by "religious freaks", but there are millions of church-going Christians that listen to pop radio - probably half the country I still think it's more people not understanding the lyrics though, or not being able to relate to them
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 14:36:16 GMT -5
Somebody else used the term "religious freaks" so I am just going with that. I am not talking about your every day Christian. I've seen multiple people on this board say that Gaga's career is going to be harmed because she's going to piss off the Evangelical population like they are listening to pop music or were a fan of her before "Born This Way" and "Judas" anyway.....
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Post by atlantaboy on May 8, 2011 14:40:42 GMT -5
Just to clear up this religious thing, look at the top stations playing Judas this week - 2 of the top 3 leaders for this song are in rural Illinois and Mississippi (extremely religious areas) WPIA/Peoria IL (67x a week) WXYK/Biloxi MS (61x a week)
Judging from the stations playing the song frequently, I wouldn't say religious opposition has anything to do with it
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on May 8, 2011 14:45:32 GMT -5
The HBO special is amazing! meh. This is one of the rare cases that I wish the artist wouldn't talk to the audience & just perform. Everything that comes out her mouth is so fucking overdramatic and how she's such an underdog and no one believed in her. Bitch, stop crying. You're the biggest star in the world. And to top it all off, she's doing it all in her fake accent.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 14:58:15 GMT -5
Bullet below 200 today... I can't believe this went from a 3677 bullet to a 196 bullet in 2 weeks... That's got to be some sort of record.
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Post by AP on May 8, 2011 15:11:04 GMT -5
Bullet below 200 today... I can't believe this went from a 3677 bullet to a 196 bullet in 2 weeks... That's got to be some sort of record. I just don't believe the radio updates. It's more likely to believe that her label is "holding off" the huge updates so it'll be at its peak right around the album release. I just see no reason to believe that the song has already peaked on radio. You don't go from a Born This Way-type smash to a song that can't even hit top 10 (a first for GaGa). It doesn't make sense. Even iTunes and YouTube views can attest that a good amount of the public DOES like this song. The only reason why I think it was low on iTunes last week was lack of radio spins. (Radio does highly influence iTunes sales...)
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Post by Hierophant on May 8, 2011 15:13:24 GMT -5
I like it right now.. I think its beacause of the video. I saw it 3-4 times and the fucking song is in my head.
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Post by neally on May 8, 2011 15:13:29 GMT -5
The HBO special is amazing! meh. This is one of the rare cases that I wish the artist wouldn't talk to the audience & just perform. Everything that comes out her mouth is so f**king overdramatic and how she's such an underdog and no one believed in her. Bitch, stop crying. You're the biggest star in the world. And to top it all off, she's doing it all in her fake accent. From the parts that I saw of the HBO special, I agree with the talking part- she made me cringe in embarrassment for her several times. Lines like "after tonight, you can do anything" or whatever are just She will unfairly be compared to Madonna regardless of what she does; however, her constant reiteration of the "Italian girl who worked the clubs of New York before I became famous" act doesn't help. Clearly, HBO was trying to relive some of the Madonna-esque documentary style that defined 'Truth or Dare'. I have never seen her live, but after watching parts of the special last night, I have to say that she is definitely in the Top 5 mainstream performers today, even though she is not the best dancer or singer. She, like Madonna, seems to aware of her weaknesses as a performer and cleverly uses costumes, props, and her dancers very well to make up for what she lacks- a required trait of any good entertainer. I commend her for that.
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Post by slayZ on May 8, 2011 15:26:01 GMT -5
meh. This is one of the rare cases that I wish the artist wouldn't talk to the audience & just perform. Everything that comes out her mouth is so f**king overdramatic and how she's such an underdog and no one believed in her. Bitch, stop crying. You're the biggest star in the world. And to top it all off, she's doing it all in her fake accent. From the parts that I saw of the HBO special, I agree with the talking part- she made me cringe in embarrassment for her several times. Lines like "after tonight, you can do anything" or whatever are just Personally, I found all of her speeches to be quite powerful and inspiring. As a gay male myself, after I left the show, I did feel extremely moved. I wasn't "changed" or anything, but it's nice to have an artist to look up to that makes you feel like you can do anything regardless of where you come from, what your sexual orientation is, or what race you are. Most of it is fake, and yeah she says it every night, but at least it's heartfelt, and I can assure you most people in that arena, at that particular moment, were touched by those comments and they did feel free and I can testify to that. Well at least I did. I'd take that over Taylor Swift rambling about a guy who cheated on her and shouldn't have because she writes songs, or Kelly Clarkson stopping a song to make an awkward joke no one laughs at, or even Britney Spears...not saying anything at all. Not to throw shade or anything because I love all of them, but what I loved about her show the most were the speeches more so than the actual performances. I guess it's not as powerful when you watch it on TV.
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Post by neally on May 8, 2011 15:32:18 GMT -5
From the parts that I saw of the HBO special, I agree with the talking part- she made me cringe in embarrassment for her several times. Lines like "after tonight, you can do anything" or whatever are just Personally, I found all of her speeches to be quite powerful and inspiring. As a gay male myself, after I left the show, I did feel extremely moved. I wasn't "changed" or anything, but it's nice to have an artist to look up to that makes you feel like you can do anything regardless of where you come from, what your sexual orientation is, or what race you are. Most of it is fake, and yeah she says it every night, but at least it's heartfelt, and I can assure you most people in that arena, at that particular moment, were touched by those comments and they did feel free and I can testify to that. Well at least I did. I'd take that over Taylor Swift rambling about a guy who cheated on her and shouldn't have because she writes songs, or Kelly Clarkson stopping a song to make an awkward joke no one laughs at, or even Britney Spears...not saying anything at all. Not to throw shade or anything because I love all of them, but what I loved about her show the most were the speeches more so than the actual performances. I guess it's not as powerful when you watch it on TV. Thank you for your input on the matter. Again, your perspective is good to hear because I may not fit the more typical demographic of her fanbase or concert audience. Perhaps, because I am slightly older than her fanbase as well, those types of comments of "you can do anything after tonight" sound so arrogant and faux-empowering rather than just empowering- probably how she intended for them to sound. Clearly, some of her younger or more impressionable fans look up to her and her words. Thus, I can totally see your point.
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Post by slayZ on May 8, 2011 15:44:32 GMT -5
Personally, I found all of her speeches to be quite powerful and inspiring. As a gay male myself, after I left the show, I did feel extremely moved. I wasn't "changed" or anything, but it's nice to have an artist to look up to that makes you feel like you can do anything regardless of where you come from, what your sexual orientation is, or what race you are. Most of it is fake, and yeah she says it every night, but at least it's heartfelt, and I can assure you most people in that arena, at that particular moment, were touched by those comments and they did feel free and I can testify to that. Well at least I did. I'd take that over Taylor Swift rambling about a guy who cheated on her and shouldn't have because she writes songs, or Kelly Clarkson stopping a song to make an awkward joke no one laughs at, or even Britney Spears...not saying anything at all. Not to throw shade or anything because I love all of them, but what I loved about her show the most were the speeches more so than the actual performances. I guess it's not as powerful when you watch it on TV. Thank you for your input on the matter. Again, your perspective is good to hear because I may not fit the more typical demographic of her fanbase or concert audience. Perhaps, because I am slightly older than her fanbase as well, those types of comments of "you can do anything after tonight" sound so arrogant and faux-empowering rather than just empowering- probably how she intended for them to sound. Clearly, some of her younger or more impressionable fans look up to her and her words. Thus, I can totally see your point. Well, I don't know if that's the case with everyone else but I know most of the crowd at her shows were gay guys, and at one point or another, every gay guy has been bullied, felt judged or had major insecurities. When I went to her show, she made everyone (not just gay guys) feel like it was okay to be who they were. I hate Born This Way and I think it's incredibly cheesy and gimmicky but when you're at the show, you just feel such a rush and feel so happy to hear those words, but you're right, it didn't come through on TV, it actually sounded kind of silly. I guess you have to be there to understand/experience it.
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Post by xxfetchmonsterxx on May 8, 2011 15:45:20 GMT -5
That Fast Lane song at #10 on itunes is garbage. I really hope Judas can pass that up.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on May 8, 2011 15:45:52 GMT -5
From the parts that I saw of the HBO special, I agree with the talking part- she made me cringe in embarrassment for her several times. Lines like "after tonight, you can do anything" or whatever are just Personally, I found all of her speeches to be quite powerful and inspiring. As a gay male myself, after I left the show, I did feel extremely moved. I wasn't "changed" or anything, but it's nice to have an artist to look up to that makes you feel like you can do anything regardless of where you come from, what your sexual orientation is, or what race you are. Most of it is fake, and yeah she says it every night, but at least it's heartfelt, and I can assure you most people in that arena, at that particular moment, were touched by those comments and they did feel free and I can testify to that. Well at least I did. I'd take that over Taylor Swift rambling about a guy who cheated on her and shouldn't have because she writes songs, or Kelly Clarkson stopping a song to make an awkward joke no one laughs at, or even Britney Spears...not saying anything at all. Not to throw shade or anything because I love all of them, but what I loved about her show the most were the speeches more so than the actual performances. I guess it's not as powerful when you watch it on TV. LMAO. She must be paying you.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 15:47:48 GMT -5
Personally, I found all of her speeches to be quite powerful and inspiring. As a gay male myself, after I left the show, I did feel extremely moved. I wasn't "changed" or anything, but it's nice to have an artist to look up to that makes you feel like you can do anything regardless of where you come from, what your sexual orientation is, or what race you are. Most of it is fake, and yeah she says it every night, but at least it's heartfelt, and I can assure you most people in that arena, at that particular moment, were touched by those comments and they did feel free and I can testify to that. Well at least I did. I'd take that over Taylor Swift rambling about a guy who cheated on her and shouldn't have because she writes songs, or Kelly Clarkson stopping a song to make an awkward joke no one laughs at, or even Britney Spears...not saying anything at all. Not to throw shade or anything because I love all of them, but what I loved about her show the most were the speeches more so than the actual performances. I guess it's not as powerful when you watch it on TV. LMAO. She must be paying you. LMAO. I'm dieing at this thread.
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Post by lucytor on May 8, 2011 15:54:16 GMT -5
I think if you have a truly good song, you can still push the boundaries and get a hit. Example: Madonna's "Like A Prayer". I think the problem with "Judas" is that the song just isn't that good to begin with, regardless of the music video. I think Lady Gaga needs to steer herself away from being a gimmick. People have very high expectations for all of her performances, songs, and music videos now since she has set up a massive cult of shock value around her work. I think she needs to ride this album out in a more tone-downed way so that people can get use to her without the weird dog and pony show. I don't think you can compare Judas with Like a Prayer. Madonna released Like A Prayer back in '89, more than 20 years ago. Radio ownership has changed drastically since '89, and radio has gotten more conservative. As far as the quality of the song: It's hard to believe that quality makes a difference given what does make it on the radio. Genre makes a difference, tho, and Judas is (on top of its title) an extremely clubby song. I don't know. I like it!
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Post by The Gypsy on May 8, 2011 16:03:20 GMT -5
This song is great and all.... but the 2nd single should have been Government Hooker... The whole timing of Judas with Easter was bad press and the song dropped like a brick during Holy Week. I think if she would have dropped the video with a Marilyn Monroe/ JFk theme while the Reelz special of The Kennedy's was making headlines, it would have given it a nice boost. Plus GH is AMAZING
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Post by blue in moonlight on May 8, 2011 16:02:55 GMT -5
Guys, it's not one thing in particular holding "Judas" back but a multitude of factors working collectively against it. It's the religious references for some people. It's the too familiar hook or the jarring sound of the verses for others. It's BTW lingering longer than anticipated & also some may just not like it at all. Trying to pinpoint one factor causing the underperformance is futile.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2011 16:16:20 GMT -5
Personally, I found all of her speeches to be quite powerful and inspiring. As a gay male myself, after I left the show, I did feel extremely moved. I wasn't "changed" or anything, but it's nice to have an artist to look up to that makes you feel like you can do anything regardless of where you come from, what your sexual orientation is, or what race you are. Most of it is fake, and yeah she says it every night, but at least it's heartfelt, and I can assure you most people in that arena, at that particular moment, were touched by those comments and they did feel free and I can testify to that. Well at least I did. I'd take that over Taylor Swift rambling about a guy who cheated on her and shouldn't have because she writes songs, or Kelly Clarkson stopping a song to make an awkward joke no one laughs at, or even Britney Spears...not saying anything at all. Not to throw shade or anything because I love all of them, but what I loved about her show the most were the speeches more so than the actual performances. I guess it's not as powerful when you watch it on TV. LMAO. She must be paying you. I need to watch this special. I could have sworn it was going to air May 12.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 8, 2011 16:25:20 GMT -5
Regardless of whether or not the talking between songs is cheesy or not, it's one thing to watch the show in tv but another thing to be there live. I felt like the HBO special lacked a lot of what made the show spectacular. Not because it was poorly done but because the cameras can't capture that sort of energy. It's definitely cheesy but it works with the energy in the room as well as the theme of the concert itself. She also gave it a personal touch each time by talking to the audience and complimenting outfits and stuff.
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Post by nightshade on May 8, 2011 16:27:40 GMT -5
This song is great and all.... but the 2nd single should have been Government Hooker... The whole timing of Judas with Easter was bad press and the song dropped like a brick during Holy Week. I think if she would have dropped the video with a Marilyn Monroe/ JFk theme while the Reelz special of The Kennedy's was making headlines, it would have given it a nice boost. Plus GH is AMAZING I don't think Government Hooker would work as a single. LMAO. She must be paying you. I need to watch this special. I could have sworn it was going to air May 12. It re-airs May 11th.
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Post by Kishi KCM on May 8, 2011 16:28:58 GMT -5
NONE of you have the answers to why this song is performing the way it is, so just give it a rest!
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Post by xxfetchmonsterxx on May 8, 2011 16:57:17 GMT -5
OMG 10. ON ITUNES !!!
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Post by B. army on May 8, 2011 17:17:30 GMT -5
You know who I blame? THIS GURL. Wow! Really? This girl should be slapped, Judas is not Jesus. I really like this song it is catchy after a few listens. Maybe overexposure after BTW. We will see how her album sells.
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Post by Carlitoz on May 8, 2011 17:22:01 GMT -5
That stupid girl is old news... like 3 weeks ago or so. I had already forgotten about her >:( Incredible how religion can f#ck up your mind so badly.... Anyway... Judas back on #10 on iTunes!!
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Post by $uperb@tDuDe on May 8, 2011 18:03:09 GMT -5
Anyway... Judas back on #10 on iTunes!!
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Post by Tea-why on May 8, 2011 18:08:57 GMT -5
You know who I blame? THIS GURL. Wow! Really? This girl should be slapped, Judas is not Jesus. I really like this song it is catchy after a few listens. Maybe overexposure after BTW. We will see how her album sells. That girl is a mess. "Lady Gay-gay"? lol
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Post by xxfetchmonsterxx on May 8, 2011 18:21:27 GMT -5
Maybe this can creep past Blow and OTF
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Post by David on May 8, 2011 18:38:15 GMT -5
Yes! I fully expect an update every +1 pop bar!
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