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Post by sbk on May 4, 2011 13:25:12 GMT -5
re-releases are nothing new either. Never said that, but putting out the new songs as a seperate EP, treating said EP like a new album, and simultanously combining the previous album with the EP as a re-release is (was) a relatively new concept. you can't be serious. "little monsters" never cease to amaze me. Product placements in videos are nothing new Never said that PlentyofFish probably saw what a video placement did for them and decided to feature in other videos, Well yeah that's a trend imo. Just like I think Tik Tok and Irreplaceable started a trend when many songs that sounded just like it were released afterwards, so it's not just Gaga I think is trendsetting or anything. Lady GaGa is not the innovator and visionary her little monsters think she is, she is nothing but a copy cat herself. Get a grip. Ofcourse, she's just a popstar but you proved my point anyway. Always quick to say Gaga ripped someone off when the slightest similarity occurs, but when someone else does something similar to Gaga, you immediately downplay it as if it's impossible that one of the current most successful popstars have some influence on the pop scene, and I disagree with that, doesn't make one delusional. And can't you argue something normally without resorting to name calling, 'LMAO' or some other insulting passive aggressive comment? Really sorry for the offtopic, I'll stop now.
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Post by Feelin'.$$$hady on May 4, 2011 13:39:45 GMT -5
Most found the production on this song to be better than BR. This is not true at all. There are a lot of people who think it's weaker than BR. The chorus of Judas is just terrible, it gets on my nerves so badly i literally had to cut it out before putting the song on my ipod, because otherwise i've always pushed skip button when it got to the chorus and never heard the second verse (which i love).
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Post by Kii on May 4, 2011 14:16:19 GMT -5
I absolutely cannot @ everyone taking this opportunity to go at GaGa's throat. It really says a lot. All the people reiterating the same over dramatic bullshit about her need to gtfo.
This song is in fact a jam and will do great in the long run, it's too amazing not to. You shall see.
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Post by Sir LOVE IX on May 4, 2011 14:34:03 GMT -5
I absolutely cannot @ everyone taking this opportunity to go at GaGa's throat. It really says a lot. All the people reiterating the same over dramatic bulls**t about her need to gtfo.
This song is in fact a jam and will do great in the long run, it's too amazing not to. You shall see.
LMAO *laughing to death* your post is too amazing so is your font :'(
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Post by Kii on May 4, 2011 14:43:16 GMT -5
LMAO *laughing to death* your post is too amazing so is your font :'(
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Post by Sir LOVE IX on May 4, 2011 14:48:34 GMT -5
LMAO *laughing to death* your post is too amazing so is your font :'( LMAO that was pretty funny really but it's time to back to work
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 14:50:38 GMT -5
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Post by Kii on May 4, 2011 14:51:18 GMT -5
LMAO that was pretty funny really but it's time to back to work Do you really not have anything better to do in your life rn than ~attempt to belittle people/GaGa on a forum? Really?
Reported for trolling anyways.
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Post by kpasa on May 4, 2011 14:55:03 GMT -5
this thread has me in tears. I mean, really some of the excuses being made for her are beyond hilarious. Not what I was saying. I firmly believe that the only reason this isn't doing well is because of the message in Judas. this is completely illogical. Gaga got away with a single blatantly promoting gay empowerment without anyone batting an eyelash actually everyone and their mother did; didn't stop it from destroying the charts. Most found the production on this song to be better than BR. receipts? The hooks + melody I've heard no major qualms about. Lastly, everything on pop radio is recycled subject matter. This subject matter, however, is something people apparently don't like hearing about. Pulse ≠ reality. Everyone I've played the song for (not that this counts for much) has basically hated it, for example. Not because she said "JUDAAAAS" but because it sounded "s**t" as it was most often put. Does that apply for the rest of the world? No, but given the reaction to it I'd say it's just as fair as an assumption since there's just as much basis for argument there. This is not true at all. There are a lot of people who think it's weaker than BR. this should also be noted. If anything the response to this has always been lukewarm if you're so inclined to reach so high, even on Pulse. People just aren't feeling this. For whatever reason you want to label it though, it's not performing to expectations and it's Gaga's fault, whether it be production or controversy. Argue all you like, that's not about to change.
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Post by damazz09 on May 4, 2011 14:56:31 GMT -5
There is something lacking to this song. However, as mentioned above, everything from production to melody to her tone is great. What i noticed about this song vs her other singles is that it doesn't have a message or theme where everyone can relate to. If you think about it, the lyrics apply to almost everyone in Just Dance/Lovegame/Telephone/Born This Way. Bad Romance/Poker Face/Paparazzi, even though Lady Gaga has her own unique connection to those songs, again almost anyone can make that song about themselves especially the lyrics in the choruses.
What do all 7 of those songs have in common? They all hit #1 on CHR/Pop. Now let's look at the two songs that didn't hit #1, assuming that Judas doesn't peak there. There's very few lyrics in Alejandro and just about none in Judas where they can apply to just about anyone anywhere. I guess people can take the "Don't call my name, I'm not your babe" in Alejandro and make it their own and apply it to their lives. But Judas? There's not one freaking lyric in there that I can use for myself or sing it to another person and have it mean something even if it's a ridiculous lyric like "let's have some fun this beat is sick, i wanna take a ride on your disco stick". People don't make religious analogies in real life conversation so why have a single that references exactly that.
I really think that unless Judas has a spectacular video, the song is going to be her lowest peak thus far due to the lyrics and the lack of connection to the listeners. Judas & Alejandro peaked so low due to the lack of connection between music and listeners even though I partially blame the video for Alejandro as well. She really needs to make fun pop songs again that are universal to everyone instead of this analogies that are difficult to decipher which makes it uninteresting.
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Post by Kii on May 4, 2011 15:01:07 GMT -5
Precisely, hence a few malicious male who is into other maless suddenly taking dislike to this song here actually means very little. You'd think people would have learned that after RYG and then BTW smashed despite 99% of people here not liking them. Anyways, tbqhwy this thread has definitely gotten more entertaining, but for me it's more the extreme lengths people go to ~~simply to discredit GaGa in any way possible that have me Kii'ing over my Kiiboard. Can't believe so many peoples shoulders are chipped by her success.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 4, 2011 15:09:38 GMT -5
@kpasa - I've seen exactly the opposite response from my friends! They hated BTW, but are all over Judas. There is something lacking to this song. However, as mentioned above, everything from production to melody to her tone is great. What i noticed about this song vs her other singles is that it doesn't have a message or theme where everyone can relate to. If you think about it, the lyrics apply to almost everyone in Just Dance/Lovegame/Telephone/Born This Way. Bad Romance/Poker Face/Paparazzi, even though Lady Gaga has her own unique connection to those songs, again almost anyone can make that song about themselves especially the lyrics in the choruses. What do all 7 of those songs have in common? They all hit #1 on CHR/Pop. Now let's look at the two songs that didn't hit #1, assuming that Judas doesn't peak there. There's very few lyrics in Alejandro and just about none in Judas where they can apply to just about anyone anywhere. I guess people can take the "Don't call my name, I'm not your babe" in Alejandro and make it their own and apply it to their lives. But Judas? There's not one freaking lyric in there that I can use for myself or sing it to another person and have it mean something even if it's a ridiculous lyric like "let's have some fun this beat is sick, i wanna take a ride on your disco stick". People don't make religious analogies in real life conversation so why have a single that references exactly that. I really think that unless Judas has a spectacular video, the song is going to be her lowest peak thus far due to the lyrics and the lack of connection to the listeners. Judas & Alejandro peaked so low due to the lack of connection between music and listeners even though I partially blame the video for Alejandro as well. She really needs to make fun pop songs again that are universal to everyone instead of this analogies that are difficult to decipher which makes it uninteresting. This is fair; I agree the video to Alejandro is probably what caused the alienation, the song itself is pretty standard. Alejandro and Judas are probably my favourites of hers right now. Anyway - I don't however think she should be required to make songs that are universally appealing; this may result in lower chart peaks, but if that's what she wants to do... power to her. She could very easily release an album consisting of lighter pop songs. She clearly hasn't. That may be alienating to some, but like I said, if that's the artist she's developed into... I for one can't really see someone like Gaga complaining/worrying about a middling chart performance. The album will sell.
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Post by kpasa on May 4, 2011 15:09:56 GMT -5
Anyways, tbqhwy this thread has definitely gotten more entertaining, but for me it's more the extreme lengths people go to ~~simply to discredit GaGa in any way possible that have me Kii'ing over my Kiiboard. Can't believe so many peoples shoulders are chipped by her success. deathed @ kiiboard. It's a mixture of both, though. Honestly, some people here clearly have nothing worthwhile to contribute yet just as many stans are jumping down the throats of those with sensible opinions as to why the song may be underperforming, malicious intent or not, and it's just laughable. The best part is that none of them really even make her look any better. The point is, as of now and for the foreseeable future this song is and may continue to fail to make a strong impact, whether it be for it's production, topical content, or otherwise. @kpasa - I've seen exactly the opposite response from my friends! They hated BTW, but are all over Judas. odd. Mine hated... both? The reaction was more positive to 'Born This Way' though, most of mine wouldn't even make it through 'Judas.' Still love it though. That may be alienating to some, but like I said, if that's the artist she's developed into... I for one can't really see someone like Gaga complaining/worrying about a middling chart performance. The album will sell. yup. So Gaga becomes an "album artist" over a "singles artist." Don't really matter as, with the amount of support she's gathered, she'll still do phenomenal in sales and probably still be making an impact.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 4, 2011 15:11:37 GMT -5
Haha Gagay is fallen off. I guess she is no longer the darling of pop radio. I really wanted this song to do well but no one likes it.
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Post by ElijahWood on May 4, 2011 15:10:49 GMT -5
lolz @ the term "fact" losing credible meaning and therefor all true value.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on May 4, 2011 15:13:08 GMT -5
When did he it was a weak single because of the "controversial" message. ??? Not what I was saying. I firmly believe that the only reason this isn't doing well is because of the message in Judas. I thought that the message of this song was uplifting and spiritual? ??? I have no issue with this songs ~message but i do have an issue with GaGa fans picking different meanings whenever it suits them better in an argument. (Not saying you do this Steve, just a general observation.) This single isn't doing well because it isn't nearly as good as her genius previous efforts. I think that if the video is good enough then this could do really well but right now things are looking a bit bleak.
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Post by nightshade on May 4, 2011 15:18:07 GMT -5
Not what I was saying. I firmly believe that the only reason this isn't doing well is because of the message in Judas. I thought that the message of this song was uplifting and spiritual? ??? I have no issue with this songs ~message but i do have an issue with GaGa fans picking different meanings whenever it suits them better in an argument. (Not saying you do this Steve, just a general observation.) This single isn't doing well because it isn't nearly as good as her genius previous efforts. I think that if the video is good enough then this could do really well but right now things are looking a bit bleak. It is uplifting and spiritual doesn't mean the general public understands that. People think it's about Satan worshiping and the like.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 15:22:07 GMT -5
Born This Way #17 Judas #28 I can't figure out why Born This Way is stable like this... Judas should be #17 and BTW should be #28
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Post by Hefty Hanna on May 4, 2011 15:25:30 GMT -5
I mean...praying to a God that I dont believe in didn't effect Breakeven from becoming a hit. I just really doubt that the subject matter is what's hurting this song, or should I say the wording/the metaphor. I think that, if anything, it's the fact that she released it during the Easter holiday, she is using religious symbolism and the like...to possibly garner controversy and I can see how that may be viewed as a bit tacky. Either way, I don't really think that it's hurting her that much because so many of today's youth aren't necessarily religious.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 4, 2011 15:28:53 GMT -5
That may be alienating to some, but like I said, if that's the artist she's developed into... I for one can't really see someone like Gaga complaining/worrying about a middling chart performance. The album will sell. yup. So Gaga becomes an "album artist" over a "singles artist." Don't really matter as, with the amount of support she's gathered, she'll still do phenomenal in sales and probably still be making an impact. Well potentially; but let's not get overexcited. This is one single and it hasn't even had its run yet!
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Post by kpasa on May 4, 2011 15:28:59 GMT -5
They aren't. Society is becoming increasingly uninterested in religion these days. Not only that but the song doesn't even have a religious message. And again, let me reiterate that she got a hit with 'Born This Way' that features lyrics that could easily be argued as being just as if not more controversial than her simply using a religious figure as as a metaphor. If she can do that then there's no reason she couldn't get a hit with 'Judas' if the public was feeling it. Well potentially; but let's not get overexcited. This is one single and it hasn't even had its run yet! oh God lol I wasn't attempting to foretell her future there (re-reading it, that was my fault; poor wording). I was just saying it doesn't matter if she should happen to make the transition.
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Post by nightshade on May 4, 2011 15:30:39 GMT -5
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Post by Sir LOVE IX on May 4, 2011 15:35:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 15:38:58 GMT -5
this thread has me in tears. I mean, really some of the excuses being made for her are beyond hilarious. [/size] Not what I was saying. I firmly believe that the only reason this isn't doing well is because of the message in Judas. this is completely illogical. Gaga got away with a single blatantly promoting gay empowerment without anyone batting an eyelash actually everyone and their mother did; didn't stop it from destroying the charts. Pulse ≠ reality. Everyone I've played the song for (not that this counts for much) has basically hated it, for example. Not because she said "JUDAAAAS" but because it sounded "s**t" as it was most often put. Does that apply for the rest of the world? No, but given the reaction to it I'd say it's just as fair as an assumption since there's just as much basis for argument there. This is not true at all. There are a lot of people who think it's weaker than BR. this should also be noted. If anything the response to this has always been lukewarm if you're so inclined to reach so high, even on Pulse. People just aren't feeling this. For whatever reason you want to label it though, it's not performing to expectations and it's Gaga's fault, whether it be production or controversy. Argue all you like, that's not about to change.[/quote] It's even funnier when said excuses suddenly change. I remember at first when people were talking about the content hindering the song's performance as well as growing disinterest in her being too extra with these tired themes, stans were saying how it wouldn't because the song wasn't literal and everyone knows that and how basically her hype hasn't gone down despite all the recent underwhelmings (Glee episode etc) and now that the song is going nowhere on both radio and airplay, their tune has changed.
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Post by hitseeker. on May 4, 2011 15:39:25 GMT -5
This CAN'T underperform, c'mon Judas! :'(
Although the song's theme can be one of the easiest reasons to point out to this song's apprent underperforming, in my opinion I believe they released Judas way too early. Even though BTW was falling fast on radio, it has sort of stablized now, some stations still have it in power rotation and that shows a lot, that shows people still want to hear it and maybe the general public isn't yet ready to embrace Judas fully, maybe in this sole case, one's run is hurting the other.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 15:49:23 GMT -5
This CAN'T underperform, c'mon Judas! :'( Although the song's theme can be one of the easiest reasons to point out to this song's apprent underperforming, in my opinion I believe they released Judas way too early. Even though BTW was falling fast on radio, it has sort of stablized now, some stations still have it in power rotation and that shows a lot, that shows people still want to hear it and maybe the general public isn't yet ready to embrace Judas fully, maybe in this sole case, one's run is hurting the other. Doubtful, as she's had 3 songs in the top 20 on Pop radio before. And this isn't only underperforming on radio but on iTunes as well (*#30 wave*) so clearly something isn't resonating with the public...whether it be the theme/content of the song or just her. Plus she's even given a performance of this so it's not like it hasn't been promoted or that people don't know about it.
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Post by nightshade on May 4, 2011 15:53:40 GMT -5
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Post by kpasa on May 4, 2011 15:58:54 GMT -5
gaga is tweeting stills from the video, in case anyone is wondering where these are coming from. Anyway, back to the topic at hand.
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Post by jink on May 4, 2011 16:01:24 GMT -5
The video looks pretty good. I'm not sure it'll spark interest in this, but oh well, we'll see.
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Post by HEADOFTHEPACK on May 4, 2011 16:29:34 GMT -5
oh God lol I wasn't attempting to foretell her future there (re-reading it, that was my fault; poor wording). I was just saying it doesn't matter if she should happen to make the transition. :) ...but yeah, this. I do think that her initial hits were more of a way in for her to eventually do her own thing once/if they hit big than anything. She's not really a conventional pop artist (in the same way Katy, Ri and Ke$ha are for example), but that's been discussed elsewhere.
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