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Post by Black Jesus on May 4, 2011 16:33:57 GMT -5
I really like the imagery of the gun...a kiss truly can be a loaded weapon and she definitely made that literal lol
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Post by hitseeker. on May 4, 2011 16:33:59 GMT -5
This CAN'T underperform, c'mon Judas! :'( Although the song's theme can be one of the easiest reasons to point out to this song's apprent underperforming, in my opinion I believe they released Judas way too early. Even though BTW was falling fast on radio, it has sort of stablized now, some stations still have it in power rotation and that shows a lot, that shows people still want to hear it and maybe the general public isn't yet ready to embrace Judas fully, maybe in this sole case, one's run is hurting the other. Doubtful, as she's had 3 songs in the top 20 on Pop radio before. And this isn't only underperforming on radio but on iTunes as well (*#30 wave*) so clearly something isn't resonating with the public...whether it be the theme/content of the song or just her. Plus she's even given a performance of this so it's not like it hasn't been promoted or that people don't know about it. True...then I guess the song's theme is the most plausible explanation: the song had success when it first came out, but it was only because it was new Gaga, now the religious theme is driving people away...
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Post by Black Jesus on May 4, 2011 16:38:01 GMT -5
I honestly think a lot of people have a stick up their asses about religion. I bet a lot of stations don't play it because it's a biblical reference.
And lets be honest people, do people REALLY listen to pop music because of the lyrics?
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Post by Gravity. on May 4, 2011 16:39:39 GMT -5
I am a Christian, and I have no issue with this song. It's clearly a metaphor.
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Post by chartfreak on May 4, 2011 16:40:14 GMT -5
Is this going to be on American Idol?
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Post by Black Jesus on May 4, 2011 16:43:14 GMT -5
I am a Christian, and I have no issue with this song. It's clearly a metaphor. Thank you! I am the same! Is this going to be on American Idol? No. I guess the whole thing was just a rumor or something. Apparently she's doing something with Idol this week though.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on May 4, 2011 16:44:22 GMT -5
I honestly think a lot of people have a stick up their asses about religion. I bet a lot of stations don't play it because it's a biblical reference. And lets be honest people, do people REALLY listen to pop music because of the lyrics? That's so not the case. Like I said before, although some stations did alter 'Breakeven' by The Script, most of them did not. Same should go for this. Doesn't explain the digital sales either. Youth aren't necessarily religious nowadays. I think that people just don't like this as much as much as they do her previous efforts. I still think this can do well though with the proper moves.
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Post by slayZ on May 4, 2011 16:44:48 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure this will be top 15 by sunday, perhaps even close to the top 10 thanks to the video. I don't think they're going to give up on this anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 16:46:27 GMT -5
I mean...praying to a God that I dont believe in didn't effect Breakeven from becoming a hit. I never heard that line on the radio. It was always edited out on the stations here.
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Post by Black Jesus on May 4, 2011 16:47:43 GMT -5
I think that people just don't like this as much as much as they do her previous efforts. I still think this can do well though with the proper moves. Well I think that's definitely the case but they will eventually realize they aren't getting TFM-GaGa back this era. That shouldn't be a reason why this would underperform tho...because people don't like it AS MUCH as her other stuff. It's still a jam even if she's done better.
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Post by Envoirment on May 4, 2011 16:49:46 GMT -5
I mean... praying to a God that I dont believe in didn't effect Breakeven from becoming a hit. I just really doubt that the subject matter is what's hurting this song, or should I say the wording/the metaphor. I think that, if anything, it's the fact that she released it during the Easter holiday, she is using religious symbolism and the like...to possibly garner controversy and I can see how that may be viewed as a bit tacky. Either way, I don't really think that it's hurting her that much because so many of today's youth aren't necessarily religious. That's because it's really only one line and some stations actually left it out/censored it. Where as Judas as a whole is a continuous reference to religion. Maybe not directly and she is only using it metaphorically. But you know how the bible belt stations can be... Hopefully the video & promo will push the song in the right direction! :)
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Post by Hefty Hanna on May 4, 2011 16:51:01 GMT -5
I mean...praying to a God that I dont believe in didn't effect Breakeven from becoming a hit. I never heard that line on the radio. It was always edited out on the stations here. It was always played unedited in New York. Is there any proof that "the Bible Belt" stations are the ones not playing it? They had no problem playing 'Born This Way'.
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Post by Sir LOVE IX on May 4, 2011 16:51:11 GMT -5
I am a Christian, and I have no issue with this song. It's clearly a metaphor. I am a Christian, and my only issue is the song is not that good It's not doing really bad. Sales are similar to TTWE almost the same, but this has much more hype, i think people are getting little tired of Gaga that's all
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 16:55:13 GMT -5
Youth aren't necessarily religious nowadays. True. Maybe there's a difference with radio programmers but the iTunes generation who really could care less. The song itself is radio candy and incredibly infectious imo... I love the song and I'm not really that big into christianity or religion but the constant religious references are a bit grating and annoying to me still. Not in an offensive way, more like a tired/grating way.
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Post by Callmeatomic on May 4, 2011 16:56:01 GMT -5
I am a Christian, and I have no issue with this song. It's clearly a metaphor. I am a Christian, and my only issue is the song is not that good It's not doing really bad. Sales are similar to TTWE almost the same, but this has much more hype, i think people are getting little tired of Gaga that's all I agree. I really don't see a huge religious pushback. It seems like this song is a bit of a non-event to some.
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Post by August on May 4, 2011 17:59:58 GMT -5
#28 on iTunes right now.
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Post by bibliotheque on May 4, 2011 18:07:45 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 18:09:23 GMT -5
OMG, these stills are amazing. :O It's looking like this video is going to be awesome. *giddy*
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Post by Sir LOVE IX on May 4, 2011 18:11:51 GMT -5
^^ just like a circus
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Post by Kii on May 4, 2011 18:12:29 GMT -5
... Not gonna lie, I actually like the mash up of themes going on there.
I'm also just glad they aren't straying away from use of color.
Hope this video with have some eyecandy and interesting plot.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 4, 2011 18:17:11 GMT -5
I really don't think it's the religious association that's causing this song to stall. I think it's simply because the song itself sounds rather polarizing and slightly extreme. It's immediately present but can come off sounding instantly annoying which might turn people off. I think if the "ju-dah-ju-da-ah-ah" part wasn't in there and the other random vocalizations in the verses were absent, it'd be much more radio friendly. The chorus is catchy and after a few listens the verses are ear worms.
I think this goes to show that gaga shouldn't release name songs as this might fare worse than Alejandro. I think it'll rebound after the video and other promo but more in a stabilizing way.
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Post by Kii on May 4, 2011 18:17:58 GMT -5
This CAN'T underperform, c'mon Judas! :'( Although the song's theme can be one of the easiest reasons to point out to this song's apprent underperforming, in my opinion I believe they released Judas way too early. Even though BTW was falling fast on radio, it has sort of stablized now, some stations still have it in power rotation and that shows a lot, that shows people still want to hear it and maybe the general public isn't yet ready to embrace Judas fully, maybe in this sole case, one's run is hurting the other. You know, I actually think that could be part of the reason. BTW rose so fast, and maybe some stations would like to hold onto it at a higher rotation for a more normal length of time than just let go of it right away. The amount of time between these two singles being released could be what made Judas slow down a bit in it's run.
As for the songs meaning or production hindering the song.. I don't think they're exactly that bad. More so the song has intentionally awkward aspects about it (like the verses) which, though make it sound really interesting, might take people a while to warm up to it, but I don't think that'll hold it back in the end.
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Post by Lockheart on May 4, 2011 18:28:18 GMT -5
I can't really say you can compare Breakeven to Judas. Breakeven had that line but it's not anything provoking as most do pray to God even if they don't believe in HIM. Judas clearly has lyrics that makes people uncomfortable:
"Jesus is my virtue and Judas is the demon I cling to" "I'll bring him down a king with no crown" "I'm a holy fool"
Of course us here at pulse don't really take the lyrics seriously, but we're not the general population. Some people just read into the lyrics I guess
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Post by slayZ on May 4, 2011 18:33:38 GMT -5
I just saw the extended commercial. Is anyone else getting Telephone vibes? I mean, I don't think it's going to be THAT dark/controversial. If anything, it's looking quite campy from all the stills/clips.
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Post by Lockheart on May 4, 2011 18:48:30 GMT -5
^^ just like a circus That picture does have some Circus vibe. I wasn't really into this song at first, but I really like it now. I do hope it smashes
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 4, 2011 19:11:17 GMT -5
I am a Christian, and I have no issue with this song. It's clearly a metaphor. I am a Christian, and my only issue is the song is not that good It's not doing really bad. Sales are similar to TTWE almost the same, but this has much more hype, i think people are getting little tired of Gaga that's all I think people are sick of Gaga. She needs to switch it up now. It's best to not try to be shocking at this point. We know she's capable of doing shocking things. Now she should just release a good song without the circus.
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Post by F.A.M.O.U.S. on May 4, 2011 19:54:37 GMT -5
I am a Christian, and my only issue is the song is not that good It's not doing really bad. Sales are similar to TTWE almost the same, but this has much more hype, i think people are getting little tired of Gaga that's all I agree. I really don't see a huge religious pushback. It seems like this song is a bit of a non-event to some. Hmm i think its Gaga that has become a non-event to some., her shock jock factor is out and so is the excitement over what she is gonna do next.......i dont know how she can even fix it because she started out being weird + thats what made her popular so its not like she can just start being normal now.... she was never going to have a long lasting career because of her image anyway
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Post by Myeahhh. on May 4, 2011 20:05:15 GMT -5
I don't think this song is going to have any problem at all. Like a poster above mentioned, its just going to take a while for the general public to warm up to it.
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Post by BritneyFan4Life on May 4, 2011 20:16:24 GMT -5
Even though I like this song, I'm so glad its flopping. She needs a reality check that shes not gods gift to pop music. Maybe now she will be more down to earth
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Post by When I Ruled the World on May 4, 2011 20:19:18 GMT -5
I can't wait to see the video tomorrow. I still really like this song, and I like BTW more than I ever have.
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