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Post by floridagrl on May 23, 2011 19:10:42 GMT -5
And, Why is Itunes pissed?
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Post by microcuts on May 23, 2011 19:11:12 GMT -5
Happy to see itunes pissed :) lol Hope she gets 1 mil Why? Did itunes do something bad to you? Furthermore, why would iTunes be pissed? They're selling the album for $11.99 and $15.99 and probably raking in the dough right about now.
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Post by slw84 on May 23, 2011 19:12:51 GMT -5
It's funny how Rihanna was getting heat for selling her cd at this price (I believe for Rated R and/or Loud) but whatever...can't wait to see the first day sales.
As long as she doesn't touch Britney's 1.3M first week sales then she can sell whatever and use whatever gimmick. I guess if Taylor barely met 1M gaga might be pushing it to hit 1M.
At one point I was thinking 750k but now I have no idea what to project for her first week.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 19:13:31 GMT -5
Why? Did itunes do something bad to you? Furthermore, why would iTunes be pissed? They're selling the album for $11.99 and $15.99 and probably raking in the dough right about now. Probably Because the majority of people are buying from amazon for 99 cents!!! Why pay 11.99 when you can pay 99 cents then pay a couple dollars extra for the bonus tracks. Itunes is pissed because they will likely lose some business to amazon, plus this strategy is being used to get amazon more traffic. They are probably pissed at Interscope and GaGa for allowing this to happen.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 23, 2011 19:13:31 GMT -5
All eyes are on GaGa now for the next week to see where this ends up. There's such a wide range for predictions. This is so exciting!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2011 19:14:16 GMT -5
I can't believe Born This Way is actually being sold for less than a dollar. I swear it's like an executive sat down and really thought hard about how to make Pulse the biggest clusterf**k possible this next week.
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Post by microcuts on May 23, 2011 19:14:56 GMT -5
Furthermore, why would iTunes be pissed? They're selling the album for $11.99 and $15.99 and probably raking in the dough right about now. Probably Because the majority of people are buying from amazon for 99 cents!!! Why pay 11.99 when you can pay 99 cents then pay a couple dollars extra for the bonus tracks. Itunes is pissed because they will likely lose some business to amazon, plus this strategy is being used to get amazon more traffic. They are probably pissed at Interscope and GaGa for allowing this to happen. The $15.99 version is currently the #1 album at iTunes, followed directly by the standard version. I don't think their business is hurting.
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Post by floridagrl on May 23, 2011 19:15:00 GMT -5
Rihanna sold her album for .99? Sorry for asking so many questions. I only found this site in Feb. I didn't know any of that, etc.
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Post by jamrock16 on May 23, 2011 19:16:23 GMT -5
The way I see it Amazon approached Interscope and asked them if they could discount the album for 99 cents, Amazon agreeing to pay the difference of the actual price of the album. Amazon knows the album release is a huge event and they want to benefit off of it. Amazon is doing this in hopes of attracting more buyers (when people rush to get the 99 cent album) and stealing some of Apples market share I guess.
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Post by floridagrl on May 23, 2011 19:17:29 GMT -5
Did Amazon pay the reg price from the record company or did they sell them for like .50 a piece? How can they afford to sell it for .99?
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Post by Lockheart on May 23, 2011 19:21:49 GMT -5
Probably Because the majority of people are buying from amazon for 99 cents!!! Why pay 11.99 when you can pay 99 cents then pay a couple dollars extra for the bonus tracks. Itunes is pissed because they will likely lose some business to amazon, plus this strategy is being used to get amazon more traffic. They are probably pissed at Interscope and GaGa for allowing this to happen. The $15.99 version is currently the #1 album at iTunes, followed directly by the standard version. I don't think their business is hurting. You're looking at it the wrong way though. BTW's #1 on iTunes may mean 5,000 copies while the #1 at Amazon may mean 50,000. I mean, given the opportunity, most people would buy from Amazon. It's just the smarter decision. You could buy the album 15 times for crying out loud!
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Post by Lockheart on May 23, 2011 19:24:19 GMT -5
I mean, this is digital right? I doubt Amazon is really gonna lose that much money. All they need is one digital copy of BTW for unlimited download. It's not like they're selling physical copies for 99 cents.
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Post by HolidayGuy on May 23, 2011 19:25:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads-up- it's one-day-only, the 99-cent deal. So, people must jump right on it.
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Post by floridagrl on May 23, 2011 19:26:17 GMT -5
It's not like they're selling physical copies for 99 cents. Ah, okay. See, I wasn't getting it. Thank for clearing that up for me. I still think of Amazon as physical and not digital.
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Post by microcuts on May 23, 2011 19:27:36 GMT -5
The $15.99 version is currently the #1 album at iTunes, followed directly by the standard version. I don't think their business is hurting. You're looking at it the wrong way though. BTW's #1 on iTunes may mean 5,000 copies while the #1 at Amazon may mean 50,000. I mean, given the opportunity, most people would buy from Amazon. It's just the smarter decision. You could buy the album 15 times for crying out loud! Right, and you'd have to buy the album 15 times to generate the kind of cash flow iTunes is pulling in with just ONE purchase.
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Post by Lockheart on May 23, 2011 19:31:09 GMT -5
You're looking at it the wrong way though. BTW's #1 on iTunes may mean 5,000 copies while the #1 at Amazon may mean 50,000. I mean, given the opportunity, most people would buy from Amazon. It's just the smarter decision. You could buy the album 15 times for crying out loud! Right, and you'd have to buy the album 15 times to generate the kind of cash flow iTunes is pulling in with just ONE purchase. Well, true. That's where Amazon took a risk. They think lowering the price would get costumers to purchase other stuff from their site. Well, I only bought the album from them
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Post by passionformusic on May 23, 2011 19:33:33 GMT -5
would not it be funny though,if soundscan does not count those amazon sales? It could be considered chart manipulation imo. Interesting to see, how this plays out. HDD is not sure, must make predicting a bitch.
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Post by DJ General on May 23, 2011 19:35:11 GMT -5
I always find it funny when people yell at certain artists for "cheating"...uhhh any artist can do this.
I remember people used to complain about releasing songs/albums on a Monday. There was never a law against this lol Anyone can partake in it. Don't hate on (insert artist) because your favorite didn't think of it.
Same thing with the 0.99 thing. First, it wasn't even a decision from GaGa's camp lol...Amazon is doing it to get business. Also, just because it is 0.99 does not mean it is going to sell some outrageous number. Most people don't even know about the 0.99 deal. I told a lot of people today who were shocked and had no clue about it. Amazon isn't anywhere as near as big of a retailer digitally as iTunes is...which is shown by the fact that the album is also selling extremely well on iTunes when the price is 100000% higher =)
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Post by DJ General on May 23, 2011 19:36:34 GMT -5
Also, another interesting note is the prediction and HDD not being sure if sales from Amazon will count. Are they saying 750,000 without Amazon and 1,000,000 with Amazon? Or is the 750k-1m not including Amazon at all meaning if Amazon is included, it could be way over 1 m. :O Hmm
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Post by microcuts on May 23, 2011 19:36:53 GMT -5
Right, and you'd have to buy the album 15 times to generate the kind of cash flow iTunes is pulling in with just ONE purchase. Well, true. That's where Amazon took a risk. They think lowering the price would get costumers to purchase other stuff from their site. Well, I only bought the album from them LOL yeah they're definitely hoping more people throw other things into the shopping cart I'm sure. I had a dollar in store credit for buying Manchester Orchestra's new album on vinyl earlier today. So I basically just got the whole album for free.
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Post by Lockheart on May 23, 2011 19:36:55 GMT -5
The fact that they opened up about SS probably not counting Amazon's sales is just and I just can't at Wal-Mart selling copies a day earlier so this album might debut this week
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Post by nightshade on May 23, 2011 19:37:01 GMT -5
would not it be funny though,if soundscan does not count those amazon sales? It could be considered chart manipulation imo. Interesting to see, how this plays out. HDD is not sure, must make predicting a bitch. Soundscan will count the sales.
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Post by Honeymoon on May 23, 2011 19:39:21 GMT -5
would not it be funny though,if soundscan does not count those amazon sales? It could be considered chart manipulation imo. Interesting to see, how this plays out. HDD is not sure, must make predicting a bitch. Where do they draw the line though? 99 cents for an album is indeed a steal but Amazon has been having those $3.99 album daily deals for a while now without problem. It would be hard to determine where the 'cut off' price is for whether a sale is chart eligible or not. Either way I'd recommend to Soundscan/Billboard to wait until after this week before they decide certain sale prices don't count toward the chart or else all hell is going to break loose among the little monsters
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Post by areyoureadytojump on May 23, 2011 19:40:24 GMT -5
Did Amazon pay the reg price from the record company or did they sell them for like .50 a piece? How can they afford to sell it for .99? Amazon is selling the album at a loss.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on May 23, 2011 19:41:44 GMT -5
would not it be funny though,if soundscan does not count those amazon sales? It could be considered chart manipulation imo. Interesting to see, how this plays out. HDD is not sure, must make predicting a bitch. Where do they draw the line though? 99 cents for an album is indeed a steal but Amazon has been having those $3.99 album daily deals for a while now without problem. It would be hard to determine where the 'cut off' price is for whether a sale is chart eligible or not. Either way I'd recommend to Soundscan/Billboard to wait until after this week before they decide certain sale prices don't count toward the chart or else all hell is going to break loose among the little monsters Why would SoundScan not count the sale? The retailer, Amazon, is deciding the price. Not Gaga, not her label...
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Post by Black Jesus on May 23, 2011 19:42:36 GMT -5
would not it be funny though,if soundscan does not count those amazon sales? It could be considered chart manipulation imo. Interesting to see, how this plays out. HDD is not sure, must make predicting a bitch. Amazon is paying the difference for each $0.99 album sold. It was their choice to do the promotion. The sales will therefore count towards Soundscan.
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Post by Honeymoon on May 23, 2011 19:47:26 GMT -5
Where do they draw the line though? 99 cents for an album is indeed a steal but Amazon has been having those $3.99 album daily deals for a while now without problem. It would be hard to determine where the 'cut off' price is for whether a sale is chart eligible or not. Either way I'd recommend to Soundscan/Billboard to wait until after this week before they decide certain sale prices don't count toward the chart or else all hell is going to break loose among the little monsters Why would SoundScan not count the sale? The retailer, Amazon, is deciding the price. Not Gaga, not her label... I definitely agree but I'm responding to HDD's item insinuating that Soundscan might not count the sales.
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Post by Push The Button on May 23, 2011 19:48:20 GMT -5
I never know what I'm talking about apparently, but Gaga and Interscope have no control over what Amazon prices their inventory. The digital retailers have a strict contract that does not allow negotiation for first week sales.
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Post by microcuts on May 23, 2011 19:49:59 GMT -5
Why would SoundScan not count the sale? The retailer, Amazon, is deciding the price. Not Gaga, not her label... I definitely agree but I'm responding to HDD's item insinuating that Soundscan might not count the sales. Soundscan might as well count it. It's not like there's going to be 5 million people getting in on the action, creating some kind of massive chart manipulation. I'd be really surprised if it's a six-figure amount difference.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on May 23, 2011 19:51:14 GMT -5
SoundScan does count street date violations, before someone asks.
The SoundScan tracking week is Monday through Sunday. Not Tuesday through Monday. GaGa will not debut at #1 this week based on Monday's sales.
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