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Post by slw84 on May 31, 2011 20:15:52 GMT -5
10 biggest sales weeks since 2006 1 6/11/2011 Born This Way Lady Gaga 1,108,000 2 11/13/2010 Speak Now Taylor Swift 1,046,718 3 6/28/2008 Tha Carter III Lil' Wayne 1,005,545 4 9/29/2007 Graduation Day Kanye West 956,936 5 11/8/2008 Black Ice AC/DC 784,288 6 1/5/2008 NOEL JOSH GROBAN 758,590 7 11/24/2007 As I Am Alicia Keys 742,426 8 7/10/2010 Recovery Eminem 741,413 9 1/7/2006 The Breakthrough Mary J. Blige 727,163 10 4/22/2006 Me & My Gang Rascal Flatts 721,747 Are you going to rank it amongst top debut sales weeks for females that debuted with 1M sales or above debut week? Since 2006 seems so random... |
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Post by forg on May 31, 2011 20:16:31 GMT -5
Nice to see another album selling 1 million.
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Post by d.t.m on May 31, 2011 20:17:46 GMT -5
Great news for GaGa/Interscope.
I think standard physical albums should be $5 as an alternative to digital music.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 31, 2011 20:29:03 GMT -5
I just think albums in general would sell at lot better if they weren't over $10. Maybe not $.99, but it can't possibly cost that much to "manufacture" a digital album. Maybe not but you're forgetting the initial costs of actually recording the album in the first place. Studio time, licensing, promo, everything in between. I'd be curious to know how much an album like Born This Way would have to sell in order to break even not including the costs of shipping and other hard copy-related monies. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 20:38:51 GMT -5
Oh wow there actually IS an argument on the other side that the milli debut was a result of the 99c sales. Before the stans were saying that the Amazon sales were minor and that she was heading to a million regardless but that theory is now useless. There's definitely going to be more fire around this than there was for Taylor.
Regardless, good for Gaga. It's a great album and this is a really good look in the press for her.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 20:42:25 GMT -5
And this week really just proved that in order for the music industry to be in a better sales climate, CD prices have to be dropped. CD's can't be sold for the same prices as they were 10 years ago clearly if in order for albums nowadays to meet the end results of albums released yesteryear, you have to sell them for the same price as the McDonald's dollar menu.
It's either that or they change certifications but that would just be more messy.
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Post by Kevin on May 31, 2011 20:54:01 GMT -5
We will see if record labels actually get that concept when it comes to albums. I am not sure that they are going to reduce the price of singles that much.
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Post by PDC1987 on May 31, 2011 21:03:18 GMT -5
Yes, we can't assume all 440,000 or even any would not have still bought it The $.99 sale was the only reason I bought it. I didn't have the extra cash for a physical copy/regular download. |
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Post by imbondz on May 31, 2011 21:03:56 GMT -5
Doesn't it have more to do with all of you who steal music online rather than the price?
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 31, 2011 21:05:22 GMT -5
Yes, we can't assume all 440,000 or even any would not have still bought it The $.99 sale was the only reason I bought it. I didn't have the extra cash for a physical copy/regular download. As it was for a number of people but many were already planning to purchase it regardless of the Amazon sale. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 21:10:45 GMT -5
Yes, we can't assume all 440,000 or even any would not have still bought it Yeah. I was one of 440,000 who bought it from Amazon and ended up buying a physical copy anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 21:14:08 GMT -5
10 biggest sales weeks since 2006 1 6/11/2011 Born This Way Lady Gaga 1,108,000 2 11/13/2010 Speak Now Taylor Swift 1,046,718 3 6/28/2008 Tha Carter III Lil' Wayne 1,005,545 4 9/29/2007 Graduation Day Kanye West 956,936 5 9/17/2005 LATE REGISTRATION KANYE WEST 860,330 6 11/8/2008 Black Ice AC/DC 784,288 7 1/5/2008 NOEL JOSH GROBAN 758,590 8 11/24/2007 As I Am Alicia Keys 742,426 9 7/10/2010 Recovery Eminem 741,413 10 6/25/2005 X&Y COLDPLAY 737,294 Are you going to rank it amongst top debut sales weeks for females that debuted with 1M sales or above debut week? Since 2006 seems so random... Nothing random about it If you'd like though I can do a slight revision. I edited above to be the 10 biggest since the last time there was something bigger |
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Post by libri on May 31, 2011 21:15:58 GMT -5
Oh wow there actually IS an argument on the other side that the milli debut was a result of the 99c sales. Before the stans were saying that the Amazon sales were minor and that she was heading to a million regardless but that theory is now useless. There's definitely going to be more fire around this than there was for Taylor. Not necessarily. I think the 650-700k prediction was based on the album initial shipment, not early sales. The thing with albums such as Taylor's and Gaga's which both had huge momentum and went on sale on Monday instead of Tues, is that it's much more difficult to make prediction. IIRC, the early prediction for Taylor was 750k+. They only got to 'will it cross a mil?' close to the end of the week. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 21:21:34 GMT -5
Doesn't it have more to do with all of you who steal music online rather than the price? I get pretty much everyone's album illegally unless it's one of my main b!tches but I actually took advantage of the 2nd 99c day. I wouldn't have bought it otherwise and I'm sure a lot wouldn't have either. It doesn't matter if people bought it at the standard price in addition to the deal though because the general point is that the Amazon discounts clearly gave her a lot added sales regardless of that fact. I'm not bashing her btw, I'm just saying record labels need to band together and see that cutting prices are the only way for artists to match previous sales climates. The ratio of CD Prices to the average American income 10 years ago was much closer than it is now so something has to give. "Singles artists" weren't as prevalent back then as they are now and there's a reason for that. |
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Post by MikeCheck12 on May 31, 2011 21:24:04 GMT -5
^ The record labels want profit. Not units. Profit!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 21:25:14 GMT -5
Oh wow there actually IS an argument on the other side that the milli debut was a result of the 99c sales. Before the stans were saying that the Amazon sales were minor and that she was heading to a million regardless but that theory is now useless. There's definitely going to be more fire around this than there was for Taylor. Not necessarily. I think the 650-700k prediction was based on the album initial shipment, not early sales. The thing with albums such as Taylor's and Gaga's which both had huge momentum and went on sale on Monday instead of Tues, is that it's much more difficult to make prediction. IIRC, the early prediction for Taylor was 750k+. They only got to 'will it cross a mil?' close to the end of the week. I get what you're saying but Taylor's first week situation was completely different than Gaga's. I don't think Taylor had 440k coming in from Amazon or had the 2-day deals. Taylor having a tween fanbase intertwined with a country/pop one is a force to be reckoned with so 1 million would have been easier for her to cross naturally than Gaga in any case, since Gaga only has pop support and we all know can be very fickle that audience when it comes to album sales. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 21:27:46 GMT -5
^ The record labels want profit. Not units. Profit! But hardly any albums even go much further than platinum nowadays so how much profit are they really making anyway? I'm just saying, for or labels to really make more money from acts, they might as well lower prices so that more people would buy their products and possibly end up with more return as well as more sales for their acts. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 31, 2011 21:28:42 GMT -5
Not necessarily. I think the 650-700k prediction was based on the album initial shipment, not early sales. The thing with albums such as Taylor's and Gaga's which both had huge momentum and went on sale on Monday instead of Tues, is that it's much more difficult to make prediction. IIRC, the early prediction for Taylor was 750k+. They only got to 'will it cross a mil?' close to the end of the week. I get what you're saying but Taylor's first week situation was completely different than Gaga's. I don't think Taylor had 440k coming in from Amazon or had the 2-day deals. Taylor having a tween fanbase intertwined with a country/pop one is a force to be reckoned with so 1 million would have been easier for her to cross naturally than Gaga in any case, since Gaga only has pop support and we all know can be very fickle that audience when it comes to album sales. Her CD was discounted at 3.99. Granted it wasn't the 99 cent sale that Gaga's was but the point her CD was deeply discounted and it was released in the 4th quarter. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 21:32:29 GMT -5
I get what you're saying but Taylor's first week situation was completely different than Gaga's. I don't think Taylor had 440k coming in from Amazon or had the 2-day deals. Taylor having a tween fanbase intertwined with a country/pop one is a force to be reckoned with so 1 million would have been easier for her to cross naturally than Gaga in any case, since Gaga only has pop support and we all know can be very fickle that audience when it comes to album sales. Her CD was discounted at 3.99. Granted it wasn't the 99 cent sale that Gaga's was but the point her CD was deeply discounted and it was released in the 4th quarter. I know she had a discount as well but not 2 days at $0.99. I'm saying that Taylor's fanbase is made of much a much stronger album-buying audience than Gaga's as she has the tweens and country fans which are rabid when it comes to albums. Pop buyers not so much, which is why it took all those deep discounts in addition to all the massive hype Gaga had to cross a million even though Gaga clearly is the bigger phenom. Country artists/tween obsession have no problem selling albums and Taylor had the best of both worlds. Mainstream pop artists do however and that is what labels need to realize. |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on May 31, 2011 21:45:47 GMT -5
Her CD was discounted at 3.99. Granted it wasn't the 99 cent sale that Gaga's was but the point her CD was deeply discounted and it was released in the 4th quarter. I know she had a discount as well but not 2 days at $0.99. I'm saying that Taylor's fanbase is made of much a much stronger album-buying audience than Gaga's as she has the tweens and country fans which are rabid when it comes to albums. Pop buyers not so much, which is why it took all those deep discounts in addition to all the massive hype Gaga had to cross a million even though Gaga clearly is the bigger phenom. Country artists/tween obsession have no problem selling albums and Taylor had the best of both worlds. Mainstream pop artists do however and that is what labels need to realize. This is true. Country sells more albums in general but pop artists sell more singles. This is why pop artists should be focusing on moving as many singles as quickly as possible. Think if you could move 3 million of downloads of 10 songs...that's 2 million in 10 track albums and with out the cost of plastic and paper and man power in shipping the product to all the different outlets. You just upload a file. Record companies should be focused on selling as much as they can as fast as they can. It's hard to do that if you have too much product out there that will never get consumed to the fullest anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 0:34:52 GMT -5
Taylor only sold 40,000 or so from Amazon... Gaga sold ~450,000... Big difference.
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Post by neverduplicated on Jun 1, 2011 1:12:40 GMT -5
Taylor only sold 40,000 or so from Amazon... Gaga sold ~450,000... Big difference. Yeah, there was a sales breakdown released shortly after Speak Now's numbers were finalized. Only 40,000 came from Amazon (despite the amazing $3.99 deal) and in fact Taylor sold a million even without Amazon. Whether Gaga would have sold a million without the deal is debatable and ultimately fruitless. I shop at Amazon all the time so I knew about the 99 cent deal the day it came out. I had absolutely no intention of buying the album (and wouldn't have done so if it had been their normal $3.99 reduction), but when I saw it was only 99 cents, I was just compelled. I figured there would be at least 1 song I would really dig on the album. Clearly this sale did inflate numbers for people like me never would have gotten the album otherwise, but at the end of the day you really have to ask... are we complaining about music being cheaper? Seriously? I'm all for these kinds of deals where you get albums for next-to-nothing. If the consequence of that is sales inflation, then I'm for that too. And on another note, does anyone else think it's amazing that both Taylor and Gaga managed to sell a million in a week after the lukewarm reception of their pre-album singles? Yes, I know BTW blew up out of the gate and even Mine was a decent-sized hit, but imagine if either one of them had released a YBWM or Bad Romance. Their sales would have been out of control! |
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Post by Lozzy on Jun 1, 2011 1:28:57 GMT -5
I'm not good with this, what's the difference between the Billboard 200 in which she sold 1,108,000 and the HITS chart where she sold 1,110,420?
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Post by slicknickshady on Jun 1, 2011 2:36:19 GMT -5
Soundscan 10 biggest one-week sales 1 4/8/2000 No Strings Attached 'N Sync 2,415,859 2 8/11/2001 Celebrity 'N Sync 1,879,955 3 6/10/2000 The Marshall Mathers LP Eminem 1,760,049 4 12/9/2000 Black & Blue Backstreet Boys 1,591,191 5 6/15/2002 The Eminem Show Eminem 1,321,799 6 6/3/2000 Oops...I Did It Again Britney Spears 1,319,193 7 1/6/2001 1 The Beatles 1,258,667 8 3/19/2005 The Massacre 50 Cent 1,140,638 9 6/5/1999 Millennium Backstreet Boys 1,133,505 10 6/11/2011 Born This Way Lady Gaga 1,108,000 Me Gusta! |
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 1, 2011 3:37:23 GMT -5
The Fame Monster only peaking at #5 will go down in history looking very bizarre. The chart methods make it look bizarre because pretty much everywhere else its sales were counted towards The Fame. |
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Post by David on Jun 1, 2011 5:25:14 GMT -5
The only way physical albums would be sold at a cheap ass price is if they started putting commercials in there. Lmfao. How stupid would that be? Every 2-3 tracks an ad plays.
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Post by David on Jun 1, 2011 5:29:25 GMT -5
I just think albums in general would sell at lot better if they weren't over $10. Maybe not $.99, but it can't possibly cost that much to "manufacture" a digital album. Maybe not but you're forgetting the initial costs of actually recording the album in the first place. Studio time, licensing, promo, everything in between. I'd be curious to know how much an album like Born This Way would have to sell in order to break even not including the costs of shipping and other hard copy-related monies. Yes, but keep in mind DJ Shadow and Garibay were/are probably a LOT cheaper to have as producers than Dr. Luke or Max Martin. Not to mention, GaGa writes a lot of it. I'm not sure if you're the actual artist and you write your own songs if you get royalties or a flat rate or both? I'm not sure how all that breaks down. But I know GaGa's album was probably cheaper to make (producers, imagery, etc) than say Britney or Katy's. If labels really DO consider this. Consider the days of producers making a shit ton (Timbaland) long gone. Either be reasonable, or don't get work. |
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 1, 2011 5:51:30 GMT -5
DJ Shadow? THE DJ Shadow?
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Post by jink on Jun 1, 2011 6:08:00 GMT -5
DJ Shadow? THE DJ Shadow? No, DJ White Shadow. |
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Post by spooky21 on Jun 1, 2011 6:13:33 GMT -5
Also how many out of the 440k total that Amazon sold were sold at 99 cents? The album was only sold for 2/7 days at 99 cents. Therefore I want to know what the Amazon breakdown was for it's digital album sales at 99 cents vs. the regular price? The Billboard article states that it is estimated that all 440K came from the 99cent sale. From the article...... "It's estimated that AmazonMP3 sold upwards of 440,000 downloads of its 99-cent "Born This Way" album" That means that the Amazon regular priced set accounts for some of the other 222K sold at digital retailers. |
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