HITS 7/05: Beyonce #1 290-310k

[Rican@]

Jun 29, 2011 21:47:16 GMT -5 Peaches. [Ch, r. is] said:

What albums don't sell because of the artist name? It's the same thing as saying she's only selling because of her fanbase, which is not a bad thing last time I checked. What about all the great reviews she's getting for the album?

And "It's only selling because of her name and promo" is such an odd argument. Is that supposed to be a bad thing ??? Isn't the point of promo to sell the album?

Clearly Bey has someone hurting.

Many.

There are a lot of songs on the radio in which your average person can name the artist but most likely know the whole song.

And please don't get smart, its not cute on you. There is nothing odd about the argument. Its the basic understanding of what help her to get her opening.

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

Sorry, I don't know what your point is.

As already stated, "Best Thing I Never Had" is doing well on radio and iTunes, she's getting the best reviews she's ever gotten for this album and has even bigger promo lined up. Enough to keep the album selling steady. "Everything is falling into place"

So again, what are you arguing?

[Rican@]

Jun 29, 2011 21:56:08 GMT -5 Peaches. [Ch, r. is] said:

Sorry, I don't know what your point is.

As already stated, "Best Thing I Never Had" is doing well on radio and iTunes, she's getting the best reviews she's ever gotten for this album and has even bigger promo lined up. Enough to keep the album selling steady. "Everything is falling into place"

So again, what are you arguing?

Nothing.

There is no argument. I respond to another person's post in which I disagree.

So you didn't get my point well you just didn't get my point.

Good enough for you?

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Jun 29, 2011 21:30:24 GMT -5 Rican@ said:

Jun 29, 2011 21:27:11 GMT -5 @swella said:

It's not all promotion and name though..."Best Thing I Never Had" is doing well on radio and iTunes. Everything is falling into place and she has even bigger promo still to come next month.

Yes it is. The album release week is causing the increase for BTINH, which is often for most artists of their album release week. Its apparent. You are not going to tell me that BTINH is selling this album right now?

Well I agree that BTINH isn't the major selling point the album right now, her established and solid fanbase is. I see what you're saying but like Mew said, promo for this era has been very weak compared to what she's done for her past eras. Name has a lot to do with it yes and so does word-of-mouth because the album has been getting rave reviews from early this month. The early leak kind of helped it in a bit because it did raise awareness for the album when there was hardly any promo before this week.

What I'm saying though, is that the first week would've been the time to worry if at all because of how poorly the singles were handled initially. The fact that she's starting with close to 300k and now that she actually has a song that is definitely becoming a hit now is perfect. That's why I said the era was turnt around and back on track because she won't have to rely on just name, promotion etc to sell now.

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

Jun 29, 2011 21:58:37 GMT -5 Rican@ said:

Jun 29, 2011 21:56:08 GMT -5 Peaches. [Ch, r. is] said:

Sorry, I don't know what your point is.

As already stated, "Best Thing I Never Had" is doing well on radio and iTunes, she's getting the best reviews she's ever gotten for this album and has even bigger promo lined up. Enough to keep the album selling steady. "Everything is falling into place"

So again, what are you arguing?

Nothing.

There is no argument. I respond to another person's post in which I disagree.

So you didn't get my point well you just didn't get my point.

Good enough for you?

Except that I was replying to this:

Jun 29, 2011 21:10:38 GMT -5 Rican@ said:

I know her fans are trying to play this up like she is on track but this is all promotion and name right now. Nothing is smooth from this point and she also have nothing appealing to urban right now.

[Rican@]

Jun 29, 2011 21:58:49 GMT -5 @swella said:

Jun 29, 2011 21:30:24 GMT -5 Rican@ said:

Yes it is. The album release week is causing the increase for BTINH, which is often for most artists of their album release week. Its apparent. You are not going to tell me that BTINH is selling this album right now?

Well I agree that BTINH isn't the major selling point the album right now, her established and solid fanbase is. I see what you're saying but like Mew said, promo for this era has been very weak compared to what she's done for her past eras. Name has a lot to do with it yes and so does word-of-mouth because the album has been getting rave reviews from early this month. The early leak kind of helped it in a bit because it did raise awareness for the album when there was hardly any promo before this week.

Thank you, my point exactly. Even though her promo has not been as strong as her previous eras but it is evidence that she promoted this album on high profile shows which help to bring awareness of this album. She didn't go gaga but it was enough for people to know its release date

[Rican@]

Jun 29, 2011 22:01:37 GMT -5 Peaches. [Ch, r. is] said:

Jun 29, 2011 21:58:37 GMT -5 Rican@ said:

Nothing.

There is no argument. I respond to another person's post in which I disagree.

So you didn't get my point well you just didn't get my point.

Good enough for you?

Except that I was replying to this:

Jun 29, 2011 21:10:38 GMT -5 Rican@ said:

I know her fans are trying to play this up like she is on track but this is all promotion and name right now. Nothing is smooth from this point and she also have nothing appealing to urban right now.

I am saying just because her first week will be decent; nothing is certain that this era has turned around. Still if "...Never Had" becomes a huge hit, it will take a few weeks for it be effective toward her sales and who knows where her sales will be at in those coming sales. Her first week does not indicate anything turning around. If she was selling closer to gold then I would see the debate that this era is turning around but that is not the case.

[Deleted]

David's new album is fantastic. It's so unfortunate that he had to become so irrelevant through the past year to year and a half. It could really screw him over big-time.

[Glove Slap]

Does anyone remember what the initial predictions for B'Day were? For some reason, I remember estimates close to 600k but I could be wrong.

[F.A.M.O.U.S.]

Jun 29, 2011 21:10:38 GMT -5 Rican@ said:

Jun 29, 2011 19:57:08 GMT -5 @swella said:

Agreed. Idk why anyone in their right mind even thought this would have bad debut sales.



If anything, the first week would've been the time to worry than in the long run because of how the era started...everything has been turned around now and BTINH is blowing up so I think everything is back on track. This won't be another TEOF situation, imo.

She can only wish this turn into TEOF situation. I don't see her selling platinum easily especially starting with almost 300K and then the expected drops the following weeks (and if she stablize before it gets too bad). I know her fans are trying to play this up like she is on track but this is all promotion and name right now. Nothing is smooth from this point and she also have nothing appealing to urban right now. The coming weeks will be interesting, but to turn around an era isn't as easy as it was back in 2006 for her and this isn't turn around just yet.

I still don't see that she proves she is an album artist because she depends on A LOT of promotion moreso than artists who are truly album artists. But we'll see.

Exactly.
This prediction doesnt change anything about her situation really if U think about it.......it just means she has 275k core fans but she still doesnt have a big hit single or that strong radio presence so the following weeks will be more important

Still no proof that she is an "albums artist".....

[Love Plastic Love]

I agree that it doesn't prove she is an albums artist, but I do think she is one of the few people who can pull off a big debut without a hit. I think albums artist indicates that she will sell solidly even if she never gets a hit though and I am not sure that will happen. I will be curious to see how this sells if she never gets a real hit from it.

[d.t.m]

^^I agree PR. She's been getting some of the best promo for any female artist in recent times. For those who think it's not enough what else could she have done???

I don't even remember her getting frequent commercial plugs like this for any of her other eras. This no doubt helped combat the early leak issue for non fans. Her name alone was easily going to bring in a guaranteed 100-150k from fans and that's why the Bionic debut comparisons never fit. It's the subsequent weeks where things are shaky.

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

eh. I saw Gaga's commercial with EoG more than I've seen Bey's. Taylor's too. I even saw Rihanna promo during the previews in movie theaters.

[₫anny Jerz ♔]

What promo has Bey had recently? Serious question. Because I haven't seen her doing any TV appearances or anything in the past month.

[d.t.m]

The promo trail started months ahead of time with AI(3 separate times), Oprah finale, BB Awards, capped off by the BET Awards and Glastonbury buzz. You don't wait until the week of album release to do proper promo. I can't even fathom how someone could consider that low key promo and for a top R&B act its volcanic.

[Love Plastic Love]

All I remember is the promo from when RTW was out (Oprah and Billboards). That happened at least a month ago, right?

[Verisimilitude]

Jun 29, 2011 22:36:44 GMT -5 d.t.m said:

You don't wait until the week of album release to do proper promo. I can't even fathom how someone could consider that low key promo.

Try asking Britney Spears. And even HER promo was almost non-existent outside of Good Morning America and Jimmy Kimmel.

[d.t.m]

Yes, a label truly backing its artist starts the promo train weeks ahead of time to help build anticipation. Only this time there was no hit to accompany it.

[d.t.m]

Jun 29, 2011 22:38:43 GMT -5 Verisimilitude said:

Jun 29, 2011 22:36:44 GMT -5 d.t.m said:

You don't wait until the week of album release to do proper promo. I can't even fathom how someone could consider that low key promo.

Try asking Britney Spears. And even HER promo was almost non-existent outside of Good Morning America and Jimmy Kimmel.

And you best believe had she had the promo B had she would have easily sold 100k more.

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

This is probably the least promo I've seen from Bey ever. She promoted her concert video shit more than this album.

[F.A.M.O.U.S.]

Yeah she hit the biggest platforms imaginable towards the end of last month/beginning of this month.........Oprah,Idol,Huge Billboard performance.......many artists dont get promo slots that big for their eras.

Nothing else she could have done other than a late night show performance which isnt that big a deal to the slots she already had.....

[jamrock16]

I can't at people saying she has SO MUCH promo to help her first week sales. Promo which occurs 1 month before an album's release is hardly anything significant. Sure she did the BET Awards on Sunday but really how big of an audience does that reach (rhetorical)? This is the least promo she's done for any album (and less than Rihanna, Katy, Britney Spears) yet people are claiming she's on some major promo blitz in the US. Some are really reaching but that is expected.

[d.t.m]

^Less than Rihanna and Britney's last eras? Like someone said before hitting those high profile platforms, you really can't get any higher, she did trumps any roundup of late night talk show performances. Some act like she did karaoke club dates.

[Deleted]

Jun 29, 2011 22:37:37 GMT -5 Love Plastic Love said:

All I remember is the promo from when RTW was out (Oprah and Billboards). That happened at least a month ago, right?

And Idol...all over a month ago...

She had BET awards a taped performance.

People are really shady. First they are all predicting she'd bomb, now they are making excuses when she didn't....shady shady shady.,

Didn't Rihanna and Katy have good promotion leading up to their albums? GaGa...hell even Brit had decent promo(for her standards)..and unlike them Beyonce doesn't have a huge smash(and no holiday sales like Rihanna) and she still is going to outsell them first week....and yet it's a flop?

I'm so estatic that she's getting 275k predictions, go back and check her thread, the RTW thread, the BTIND thread, 75% were predicting her to sell under 200k....


And all the promo in the world want save a CD if people aren't interested(seems to me Xtina had Oprah, AI, MTV Movie Awards, and various talk shows and still bombed).

I'm glad promo helps BEyonce sells. People see her live and buy her album.....it's great.

[Push The Button]

The fact is that those promo stops were over a month ago. And, on top of that, she was not the focus of the American Idol or Oprah finales - she was merely a bit player along with a lot of other celebrities.

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

All of that promo was a month ago and for her flopping single. And a prerecorded performance on the BET Awards is not great promo. iCan't at some of you rn.

[Deleted]

They are seething because they are the same one's who said she was gonna flop hard. Now they are backtracking...it's actually sad.

I wonder if Beyonce had a Only Girl/Hold it against me/Cali Gurls sized hit what she would open with...hmmmmm

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

Jun 29, 2011 23:23:18 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

All of that promo was a month ago and for her flopping single. And a prerecorded performance on the BET Awards is not great promo. iCan't at some of you rn.

It's a Chris Brown fan.... I'm not really sure what you expected.

[F.A.M.O.U.S.]

Jun 29, 2011 23:06:48 GMT -5 d.t.m said:

^Less than Rihanna and Britney's last eras? Like someone said before hitting those high profile platforms, you really can't get any higher, she did trumps any roundup of late night talk show performances. Some act like she did karaoke club dates.

Yeah she had more high profile promo than Rihanna and Britney.....Rihanna just had hit singles,she wasnt everywhere promoting...only big thing from her I recall around the time Loud dropped was the AMA opening performance + that was even after it was in stores.......

Britney promoted only the week of her album + that wasnt that much.....

Beyonce's promotional slots a month ago reached a much bigger audience than either of them did before their album came out. Not sure about Katy Perry thou....dont really follow her lol

[F.A.M.O.U.S.]

Jun 29, 2011 23:25:51 GMT -5 Peaches. [Ch, r. is] said:

Jun 29, 2011 23:23:18 GMT -5 Fat Ass Kelly Price said:

All of that promo was a month ago and for her flopping single. And a prerecorded performance on the BET Awards is not great promo. iCan't at some of you rn.

It's a Chris Brown fan.... I'm not really sure what you expected.

What does that have to do with anything???? Jesus,some of U get so emotional if there are any conflicting views....especially when its a view so obvious that U cant respond with anything other than lashing out with personal attacks or going off topic