Rolling Stone: Queen Of Pop 2009-2011

[when the pawn...]

1 Madonna
2 Lady Gaga
3 Britney Spears
4 Tina Turner
5 Beyonce
6 Aretha Franklin
7 Katy Perry
8 Cher
9 Elton John
10 Mariah Carey

Clearly voters may have been confused about if this was a current list or not (Katy Perry above Cher/Mariah/Elton (lol)). But RS said Madonna was #1 by a LONG SHOT and Gaga was #2 comfortably.

[HolidayGuy]

^Evan having Gaga- closing in on just three years of being front and center in the industry- at No. 2 ahead of other veterans is a bit much- but, she's the "it" act right now. But, Aretha Franklin is the undisputed Queen of Soul, anyhow.

Even people who may not necessarily be big fans of Madonna cannot deny her importance and how she's regarded in the scope of music/entertainment- though at times a handful, in a silly manner, try.

[jazzyskye10²]

Lmao...Damn the Madge stans were pressed as f*ck. *smh*

[HolidayGuy]

^I don't think it's a matter of that. While RS clearly said the feature was just based on the last two years, RS itself was the one who initiated the readers' poll. I can't imagine how even non-mega Madonna fans could not agree with her being the (overall) Queen of Pop. Aside from the celebrated music, no female musical act before her had done what she did in her work. And any act in the post-Madonna world who do things that she's done, or even make pop music, get compared to her.

[horchata]

Jul 7, 2011 14:30:44 GMT -5 jazzyskye10² said:

Lmao...Damn the Madge stans were pressed as f*ck. *smh*

Madonna is a poster child of pop music from an overall standpoint, no one is "pressed", it's called common sense and a fact.

[SPRΞΞ]

^exactly.

[jazzyskye10²]

^^ Hilarious. If the Madge Stans weren't pressed they would have taken the original article for what it is as oppose to crying about it. Now that's common sense.

Jul 7, 2011 14:40:56 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

^I don't think it's a matter of that. While RS clearly said the feature was just based on the last two years, RS itself was the one who initiated the readers' poll. I can't imagine how even non-mega Madonna fans could not agree with her being the (overall) Queen of Pop. Aside from the celebrated music, no female musical act before her had done what she did in her work. And any act in the post-Madonna world who do things that she's done, or even make pop music, get compared to her.

While I can acknowledge what she has done, Madonna is no queen of mine.

[Agent Yoncé]

I don't see the Madonna stans gettin' mad about this. This poll the RollingStones are doing is for the last couple of years. Grandonna will always & forever be the Queen of Pop. No one will be able to snatch her wig, not even my faves.

[slw84]

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>>>>I also think the Madonna comparison is something that will always be there in some way. Other singers who were compared to her eventually were able to lose the comparisons because they either didn't maintain the level of success they had or someone else came along and took over the name of "next Madonna".
Well, some have gone away but some are still here are did not lose their comparison to Madge because of not maintaining a level of success. Some were just able to take that comparison to their advantage and carve out their own lane to where they are just "names artist" and not Madonna wannabe.

Gaga will need to do this...it's possible she will eventually carve out her image. Time will tell.


>>> So my worry is that even if she purposely tried to steer away, Madonna has covered a LOT of ground.
It's like the ability to compare every single band to the Beatles in one way or another. They covered everything already. It's expected now that any band that comes out can have some comparison. It's no longer interesting to talk about anymore.[/quote]
I agree...if you are a pop star that is successful there are certain comparisons that are going to happen no matter what...just like with the top stars of r&b/country etc.

[jazzyskye10²]

Jul 7, 2011 17:16:44 GMT -5 Agent Yoncé said:

I don't see the Madonna stans gettin' mad about this.

Last week we did some serious number crunching and created the Rolling Stone Queen Of Pop Index – a ranking of the current top 16 female pop recording artists. To be as up-to-date as possible, we only examined data from the last two years – which excluded all artists that hadn't work in that time period. Needless to say, this pissed off some fan communities. Madonna fans were particularly enraged, even though her last album was released in early 2008 and she's been off the road since the summer of 2009. One particularly nutty critic even accused of taking bribes from Lady Gaga. Well, I'm still waiting for my check. (Hey Gaga, make it out to "cash" this time. We can't have a paper trail.)

I wasn't directing my comment to anyone here although...

I was just merely laughing at RS making mention of what has been going on since the original article came out. *shrugs*

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

Wow! I just watched the Paparazzi at the 2009 MTV Video Awards for the first time as linked in that Rolling Stone article. That's incredible! I had heard about it but never actually watched it before. I can only imagine watching that as it originally aired live as a GaGa fan back then and being both completely blown away and proud at that performance!

What she needs is another blow-away performance like that. Only, I feel like it's slightly out of reach for her right now because she's reached a saturation level where people don't want her to try to impress them.

[Push The Button]

I wouldn't classify Tina as Pop. She is known as the Queen of Rock n Roll, after all.

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

^ Yea that performance was amazing and would have easily been the talk of the show if the Kanye/Taylor thing never happened.

[slw84]

Jul 7, 2011 17:30:46 GMT -5 Peaches. [Ch, r. is] said:

^ Yea that performance was amazing and would have easily been the talk of the show if the Kanye/Taylor thing never happened.

Well, Beyonce performed and did an amazing job. As did Pink?

I honestly think Pink would have been the talk of the night followed by Beyonce.

gaga's was polarizing...many liked her performance but many others felt like she was desperate for an epic moment.

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

Jul 7, 2011 17:36:45 GMT -5 slw84 said:

others felt like she was desperate for an epic moment.

^ no, you're the only one.

And Beyonce performed that night?

[slw84]

Jul 7, 2011 17:38:28 GMT -5 Peaches. [Ch, r. is] said:

Jul 7, 2011 17:36:45 GMT -5 slw84 said:

others felt like she was desperate for an epic moment.

^ no, you're the only one.

And Beyonce performed that night?

I didn't say I felt that way, though...

Didn't she do Sweet dreams/single ladies???Or I am confusing it with another award show?

But yeah, Pink was on top for that night.

[kirby2725]

^ Taylor Swift also "performed"...

[when the pawn...]

2009 had

Lady Gaga Paparazzi
Beyonce Single Ladies/Sweet Dreams
Taylor Swift You Belong With Me
Pink Sober

Plus MJ Tribute, Green Day, Muse, others

Paparazzi was definitely the performance of the night. Unquestionably overshadowed by Kanye/Taylor. I remember watching that performance and being absolutely blown away.

[PDC1987]

Jul 7, 2011 17:11:20 GMT -5 jazzyskye10² said:

^^ Hilarious. If the Madge Stans weren't pressed they would have taken the original article for what it is as oppose to crying about it. Now that's common sense.

Jul 7, 2011 14:40:56 GMT -5 HolidayGuy said:

^I don't think it's a matter of that. While RS clearly said the feature was just based on the last two years, RS itself was the one who initiated the readers' poll. I can't imagine how even non-mega Madonna fans could not agree with her being the (overall) Queen of Pop. Aside from the celebrated music, no female musical act before her had done what she did in her work. And any act in the post-Madonna world who do things that she's done, or even make pop music, get compared to her.

While I can acknowledge what she has done, Madonna is no queen of mine.

Who cares?

That's irrelevant to whether or not she is the Queen of Pop.

[PDC1987]

Jul 5, 2011 16:41:33 GMT -5 Devil Marlena Nylund said:

There's a lot of good discussion here. I think the best thing GaGa needs to try to do is to purposely try to not do what Madonna has done. I doubt she's intentionally trying to be like her but it's very easy to find similarities between them and I think she needs to stray as far away from those as she can. One area she has that Madonna doesn't is her pure musicianship as a pianist, as well as her explicit role in gay-related events. Madonna is a gay icon but GaGa is throwing herself in there and I think that's an avenue where she can "break down doors".

And Gaga wouldn't be able to be doing what she's doing in regards to gay rights if it weren't for Madonna. Madonna portrayed gay relationships in videos 20 years ago. She showcased her gay dancers in Truth or Dare, a film that became the most successful documentary of all time at that point by a wide margin. She was always active in AIDS charities and always spoke out in favor of gay rights in interviews.

[jazzyskye10²]

Lol...Actually who the title belongs to is subjective and apparently YOU care.

[Deleted]

Who the title belongs to is not subjective. Madonna is the Queen of Pop. Ozzy Osbourne is the Prince of Darkness. Abraham Lincoln is Honest Abe. It doesn't matter if you personally think another President was more honest. It doesn't change the facts.

[jazzyskye10²]

No who the title (can't believe some place so much emphasis on such things but I digress) belongs to is subjective. I have seen plenty of cases made through the years for Janet, Mariah et cetera

[Deleted]

Do you think Sarah Palin was actually the Iron Lady and Dean Martin was actually Ol' Blue Eyes? Because you'd be wrong there too.

[jazzyskye10²]

Ya know if you want to view Madonna as 'The Queen of Pop' by all means, do you but stop with the condescending 'tude. kthanx

[Peaches. [Ch, r. is]]

MANdonna is NOT the Queen of Pop.

You have to be popular for that. You also have to be CURRENT and RELEVANT. OLDonna hasn't been any of those things for over a decade, maybe two. 3 things that cross HAGdonna off the list.

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

Jul 8, 2011 14:26:51 GMT -5 PDC1987 said:

Jul 5, 2011 16:41:33 GMT -5 Devil Marlena Nylund said:

There's a lot of good discussion here. I think the best thing GaGa needs to try to do is to purposely try to not do what Madonna has done. I doubt she's intentionally trying to be like her but it's very easy to find similarities between them and I think she needs to stray as far away from those as she can. One area she has that Madonna doesn't is her pure musicianship as a pianist, as well as her explicit role in gay-related events. Madonna is a gay icon but GaGa is throwing herself in there and I think that's an avenue where she can "break down doors".

And Gaga wouldn't be able to be doing what she's doing in regards to gay rights if it weren't for Madonna. Madonna portrayed gay relationships in videos 20 years ago. She showcased her gay dancers in Truth or Dare, a film that became the most successful documentary of all time at that point by a wide margin. She was always active in AIDS charities and always spoke out in favor of gay rights in interviews.

And..?

She wasn't the first either.

[Deleted]

Madonna is not the queen of pop. What she did in the past does NOT mean that she's the current queen of pop. The last hit she had was "4 Minutes", and he can thank Justin Timberlake for that one. Does she have an impressive career behind her? Yes. Does she have one now? No. Currently, her only career is having sexual encounters with guys more than half of her age. I can't remember the last time I heard a Madge song on the radio, and yet I still hear legends like Elvis, The Beatles, Michael Jackson, etc. on the radio all the time, and I listen to all types and genres of music stations.

Plain and simple, Madonna has lost her touch. Can she gain it back? Potentially. Will she forever be the queen of pop? Not likely. Madonna's covered a lot of ground in different media, social, and public relations such as homosexuality and diseases, but some of you are making it seem like she was the godly originator of doing things like that. She just covered it more than others; there were other artists have done it before.

[Devil Marlena Nylund]

People, it's just a nickname! It's not an actual *thing*. I don't know why everyone is actually taking it so seriously....? It's not an actual title that is appointed by a panel of judges or something...

[Deleted]

Jul 8, 2011 22:53:44 GMT -5 Devil Marlena Nylund said:

People, it's just a nickname! It's not an actual *thing*. I don't know why everyone is actually taking it so seriously....? It's not an actual title that is appointed by a panel of judges or something...

It's an honorable title. I tend to take something as broad and large as "Queen of Pop" seriously because I don't like to see random women receive a title like that.
That's just me, though.