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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 0:15:02 GMT -5
Ed Sheeran at #2, #4, #7, #13, #16, and #39. WOW!
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Post by Au$tin on Jun 18, 2014 9:23:10 GMT -5
No one has ever claimed they liked Glee doing it either, so your point is very invalid. It's not about whether or not you like these songs charting week after week. It's about whether or not people liked them enough to purchase them. So my point is very valid. No, your point was that people should stop complaining because Glee and American Idol do it all the time. Well, people complain then too, so therefore your point was nonsense. Billboard should just ban all singles, regardless of how many people buy it, unless it has a video that at least 10 of my friends have viewed, it has been played on the radio and heard by at least 50 people that I know and the song has been streamed by at least 3 of my neighbors. ;) You need to stop with your sarcastic attitude as well. People aren't discrediting these songs because they don't like them. They're discrediting them because there actually is legitimate logic behind doing so. It's not like we're pretending they don't exist, we're just removing them from the smaller picture (this current moments' charts) to get a look at the bigger picture (what actually will survive past this week). That's all there is, and I would like to hope you can see that and stop this bickering because it's completely pointless. People do this literally all of the time. Why just now start complaining about it? It's not completely ridiculous to exclude these songs for a moment to see the bigger picture. This is the top ten: 1. 5 Seconds of Summer - Kiss Me Kiss Me 2. Ed Sheeran - Bloodstream 3. Ed Sheeran - Thinking Out Loud 4. MAGIC! - Rude 5. Sam Smith - Stay with Me 6. Maroon 5 - Maps 7. Ed Sheeran - Afire Love 8. Ariana Grande - Problem 9. Nico & Vinz - Am I Wrong 10. Iggy Azalea - Fancy Fine, okay, everyone here accepts that that is the current top ten. No one is denying that. Now here is the top ten when the pre-order tracks are removed. I'm not removing these because they aren't be "my fave," I'm not removing them because I don't like them, I'm not removing them because I want to pretend they don't exist. I'm simply removing them just to see what the chart looks like on the bigger scale. I want to see what the lasting songs are doing. I know the pre-order tracks aren't going to be there next week. Let's take a look: 1. MAGIC! - Rude 2. Sam Smith - Stay with Me 3. Maroon 5 - Maps 4. Ariana Grande - Problem 5. Nico & Vinz - Am I Wrong 6. Iggy Azalea - Fancy 7. Jason Derülo - Wiggle 8. Charli XCX - Boom Clap 9. Calvin Harris - Summer 10. Disclosure - Latch Yup, okay, there it is. I'm not delusional at all, so I'm not going to say that's the actual top ten, because in reality it's not the actual top ten at the current moment, but it does give me a clearer picture at which songs are doing the best right now not due to a pre-order. It's not this ridiculous scheme or idea that you seem to think I'm pulling here. |
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Post by Gary on Jun 18, 2014 9:42:01 GMT -5
It's not about whether or not you like these songs charting week after week. It's about whether or not people liked them enough to purchase them. So my point is very valid. No, your point was that people should stop complaining because Glee and American Idol do it all the time. Well, people complain then too, so therefore your point was nonsense. Billboard should just ban all singles, regardless of how many people buy it, unless it has a video that at least 10 of my friends have viewed, it has been played on the radio and heard by at least 50 people that I know and the song has been streamed by at least 3 of my neighbors. ;) You need to stop with your sarcastic attitude as well. People aren't discrediting these songs because they don't like them. They're discrediting them because there actually is legitimate logic behind doing so. It's not like we're pretending they don't exist, we're just removing them from the smaller picture (this current moments' charts) to get a look at the bigger picture (what actually will survive past this week). That's all there is, and I would like to hope you can see that and stop this bickering because it's completely pointless. People do this literally all of the time. Why just now start complaining about it? You need to get a sense of humor. My post was intended as a joke. I said repeatedly I have no issue with people excluding popular songs to get their personal lists. The Hot 100 that we all compare to does not do that. Songs that are sales -only (with no airplay, no video and no streaming)can and will chart. They have before and they will again. If people want to exclude these songs to do their own lists fine, why would I have a problem with that? |
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Post by Kris on Jun 18, 2014 15:43:56 GMT -5
These promo singles really need to stop choking iTunes.
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Post by imbondz on Jun 19, 2014 9:42:24 GMT -5
can't believe how good Ed Sheeran songs are doing
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Post by Gary on Jun 19, 2014 9:44:56 GMT -5
The album will do quite well. Since the singles are selling, 'Complete My Album" is only a few dollars even for the deluxe
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jun 19, 2014 11:18:16 GMT -5
It's not about whether or not you like these songs charting week after week. It's about whether or not people liked them enough to purchase them. So my point is very valid. No, your point was that people should stop complaining because Glee and American Idol do it all the time. Well, people complain then too, so therefore your point was nonsense. Billboard should just ban all singles, regardless of how many people buy it, unless it has a video that at least 10 of my friends have viewed, it has been played on the radio and heard by at least 50 people that I know and the song has been streamed by at least 3 of my neighbors. ;) You need to stop with your sarcastic attitude as well. People aren't discrediting these songs because they don't like them. They're discrediting them because there actually is legitimate logic behind doing so. It's not like we're pretending they don't exist, we're just removing them from the smaller picture (this current moments' charts) to get a look at the bigger picture (what actually will survive past this week). That's all there is, and I would like to hope you can see that and stop this bickering because it's completely pointless. People do this literally all of the time. Why just now start complaining about it? It's not completely ridiculous to exclude these songs for a moment to see the bigger picture. This is the top ten: 1. 5 Seconds of Summer - Kiss Me Kiss Me 2. Ed Sheeran - Bloodstream 3. Ed Sheeran - Thinking Out Loud 4. MAGIC! - Rude 5. Sam Smith - Stay with Me 6. Maroon 5 - Maps 7. Ed Sheeran - Afire Love 8. Ariana Grande - Problem 9. Nico & Vinz - Am I Wrong 10. Iggy Azalea - Fancy Fine, okay, everyone here accepts that that is the current top ten. No one is denying that. Now here is the top ten when the pre-order tracks are removed. I'm not removing these because they aren't be "my fave," I'm not removing them because I don't like them, I'm not removing them because I want to pretend they don't exist. I'm simply removing them just to see what the chart looks like on the bigger scale. I want to see what the lasting songs are doing. I know the pre-order tracks aren't going to be there next week. Let's take a look: 1. MAGIC! - Rude 2. Sam Smith - Stay with Me 3. Maroon 5 - Maps 4. Ariana Grande - Problem 5. Nico & Vinz - Am I Wrong 6. Iggy Azalea - Fancy 7. Jason Derülo - Wiggle 8. Charli XCX - Boom Clap 9. Calvin Harris - Summer 10. Disclosure - Latch Yup, okay, there it is. I'm not delusional at all, so I'm not going to say that's the actual top ten, because in reality it's not the actual top ten at the current moment, but it does give me a clearer picture at which songs are doing the best right now not due to a pre-order. It's not this ridiculous scheme or idea that you seem to think I'm pulling here. What is currently the most popular at the moment is what people are actually buying and listening to at the moment that can be accurately tracked. You can remove songs all you want. Pre-order works once. The other songs are just promo singles. Do you get all the songs for pre-ordering an album? Secondly for your point about iTunes to be true then every song downloaded from Coldplay's album should've made them #1 #2 #3 #4 etc on down the line since every song downloaded counts as a sale on iTunes. Since we know that isn't the case, your point can't be valid. |
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Post by DJ General on Jun 19, 2014 14:38:35 GMT -5
The album will do quite well. Since the singles are selling, 'Complete My Album" is only a few dollars even for the deluxe Yep, it is an extremely smart strategy. People will have 7 or 8 tracks before release date. Outstanding promo. |
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Post by Tortuga on Jun 19, 2014 16:05:01 GMT -5
The chart is so fucked up now. Fuck you Sheerman I will download your album from torrents.
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Post by Gary on Jun 19, 2014 16:18:23 GMT -5
This chart is a reflection of what people are buying based on what is available. This is no different than any other chart. The advance single thing is done because people buy it, it would not happen if people did not buy them.
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Post by josh on Jun 19, 2014 16:59:58 GMT -5
The arguing about what's #1 was less annoying than this. Can we go back to that please.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 17:11:26 GMT -5
ok Rude is #1 combined :)
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Post by felipe on Jun 20, 2014 14:52:11 GMT -5
^ Aren't those songs up there just because of pre sales of albums? I don't think they really count as being top selling. Maps is doing quite well now at 7. I don't get it. These people pre-ordered the album, so when the single is out Billboard counts it as if they had also bought the single? I understand them getting the single in advance since they already paid for the whole thing, but does Billboard actually count 1 single purchase as if the person had bought the singles and the album? |
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Post by felipe on Jun 20, 2014 14:55:33 GMT -5
The album will do quite well. Since the singles are selling, 'Complete My Album" is only a few dollars even for the deluxe Yep, it is an extremely smart strategy. People will have 7 or 8 tracks before release date. Outstanding promo. But if "complte my album" costs the user less than $3.49 does billboard still count it as an album sale, since that's their pricing threshold for new releases? |
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Jun 20, 2014 14:58:31 GMT -5
The chart is so f**ked up now. f**k you Sheerman I will download your album from torrents. Not its not. It's what is selling right now. Don't get mad at ED because people will buy whatever he is releasing right now in droves. If this was Katy Perry or Mariah Carey or any other female artists no one would be saying a word. Both Katy, Tay Tay and Gaga did the same thing on multiple occasions and nary a word from anyone about the chart being f'd up. So lets just stop this right now because if it was one of the gay fave female artists successfully executing this release strategy no one would be screaming bloody murder. |
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Post by josh on Jun 20, 2014 15:22:53 GMT -5
Yep, it is an extremely smart strategy. People will have 7 or 8 tracks before release date. Outstanding promo. But if "complte my album" costs the user less than $3.49 does billboard still count it as an album sale, since that's their pricing threshold for new releases? Completing the album results in the sales of the single being refunded, so you're essentially buying the album full price. If that makes sense. |
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Post by felipe on Jun 20, 2014 16:33:17 GMT -5
But if "complte my album" costs the user less than $3.49 does billboard still count it as an album sale, since that's their pricing threshold for new releases? Completing the album results in the sales of the single being refunded, so you're essentially buying the album full price. If that makes sense. So after the singles have already charted due to the single sales they refund you the money so you can buy the album and it can chart higher as well? |
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Post by Gary on Jun 20, 2014 16:41:25 GMT -5
The singles become part of the album at that point. Each single counts as -1 towards Soundscan, because it is now an album sale and not a bunch of singles. All the advance singles that are charting now on the Hot 100 will disappear quickly, UNLESS user elects not to 'complete my album' in which case they are still singles purchase. Don't see why anyone would not at this point though since the rest of the album is just a couple bucks
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Post by surfy on Jun 20, 2014 16:56:40 GMT -5
Yeah, Billboard is confusing when you try to explain it to people...  |
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Post by felipe on Jun 20, 2014 17:46:21 GMT -5
But the thing is, even if these songs disappear from Billboard, they will have already charted high due to sales that would later be refunded.
If weird imagining all these Ed Sheeran songs charting high next next when a lot of them will have already been refunded to users for buying the album that will be charting the next week. In other words, these people got the singles and the album to chart with the same money. I don't know if I'm making myself clear, maybe this is all old news to you guys, it's just that I found it all so weird.
(nothing against Ed Sheeran, I'm just using him as an example since he's the talk of the week)
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Post by Gary on Jun 20, 2014 18:00:34 GMT -5
For the week they are purchased they are singles, they could get reclassed in a later week but for the week they are purchased they are singles. This is why on some weeks single sales for some songs are less than zero. Long term popular songs will bounce back, otherwise these will all be short term blips
Ed Sheeran is not the first to do this and won't be the last as long as it works
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Post by josh on Jun 20, 2014 18:33:24 GMT -5
Yeah, the same money gets both both the song and the album to chart. Which is why some places, like UK, don't allow instant grat songs to chart. Well, UK allows 1 song to chart, but any additional songs are ineligible.
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Post by Gary on Jun 20, 2014 18:44:53 GMT -5
Only in cases of complete my album. What if music buyer does not do that?
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Post by Tortuga on Jun 20, 2014 18:50:33 GMT -5
The chart is so f**ked up now. f**k you Sheerman I will download your album from torrents. Not its not. It's what is selling right now. Don't get mad at ED because people will buy whatever he is releasing right now in droves. If this was Katy Perry or Mariah Carey or any other female artists no one would be saying a word. Both Katy, Tay Tay and Gaga did the same thing on multiple occasions and nary a word from anyone about the chart being f'd up. So lets just stop this right now because if it was one of the gay fave female artists successfully executing this release strategy no one would be screaming bloody murder. It's not, if it wasnt about preorders I don't know if he could get into top 10. And why they count it now and then they are counting it back cause of complete my album. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 18:54:15 GMT -5
Billboard should just ban all singles, regardless of how many people buy it, unless it has a video that at least 10 of my friends have viewed, it has been played on the radio and heard by at least 50 people that I know and the song has been streamed by at least 3 of my neighbors. ;) Step 1: create a video for your song, Step 2: create a radio station and show 50 people Step 3: put it on a website where people can stream it, and how 3 of your friends. |
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jun 20, 2014 19:00:24 GMT -5
What's different about Sheeran, as compared to Taylor Swift's Countdown Single tactic (as an example), is that very few people are actually buying these singles.. Rather, they're pre-ordering the album and getting the song ahead of time as a nice bonus. That should count only for the Album Chart, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Gary on Jun 20, 2014 19:10:32 GMT -5
You know that for sure?
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jun 20, 2014 19:56:51 GMT -5
The album has consistently ranked highly on its chart, and we know for sure that everyone who buys a pre-order gets all of the 'singles.' |
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Post by Gary on Jun 20, 2014 20:02:53 GMT -5
The album has consistently ranked highly on its chart, and we know for sure that everyone who buys a pre-order gets all of the 'singles.' Yes I agree, everyone who buys the pre-order gets all the singles(after all that is how the iTunes system works), that does not mean that everyone who gets all the singles also pre-orders the album |
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jun 20, 2014 20:13:08 GMT -5
The album has consistently ranked highly on its chart, and we know for sure that everyone who buys a pre-order gets all of the 'singles.' Yes I agree, everyone who buys the pre-order gets all the singles(after all that is how the iTunes system works), that does not mean that everyone who gets all the singles also pre-orders the album I didn't mean that everyone was buying the album and not the singles, just that a good portion of them are.. |
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