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Post by Verisimilitude on Aug 20, 2011 20:50:41 GMT -5
Certainly. Even if "Last Friday Night" is Katy's final number one (which is unlikely) and she never charts again (even more unlikely), she could be totally forgotten ten years from now for all we know, that doesn't mean "Teenage Dream", "California Gurls", "Firework" and "Hot 'n Cold" won't still be famous pop songs of the era years from now i still think Teenage Dream is going to last the longest. No, "Firework" will. It's literally been covered and licensed the most out of all of the Katy singles. And it'll be the best selling single from the era when all is said and done.
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Post by Honeymoon on Aug 20, 2011 21:05:29 GMT -5
"teenage dream" and "Firework" will probably endure the most but then again I can see the radio stations bringing out "California Gurls" every Summer for quite a while
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 20, 2011 21:15:39 GMT -5
i still think Teenage Dream is going to last the longest. No, "Firework" will. It's literally been covered and licensed the most out of all of the Katy singles. And it'll be the best selling single from the era when all is said and done. you have a good point. But i was mainly referring to recurrent airplay, not movies and tv commericials. TD is the least polorizing single from the album.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 20, 2011 21:51:18 GMT -5
Cyndi's songs were good. And had meaning. Will we be singing "is that a hickey or a bruise"? in 25 years? Somehow, I think not..... Way to pick a line out of context. I'm surprised you didn't pick the "paper bag" line. In all seriousness though, I wonder if people would be giving Cyndi her due if Time After Time wasn't one of the most covered songs of the last few decades? Of course she's respected now that her songs have had time to sit and she's dabbled in other areas including doing a jazz record, garner relationships with respected musicians and doing broadway and whathaveyou. Katy could very well do similar things once she goes beyond her "teenage dream" stage and potentially grow up a bit. Cyndi has been fairly busy over the past few years. She did that stint on Celebrity Apprentice, released a blues album and constantly makes the rounds on talk shows. I wouldn't say she's disappeared or been forgotten at all. So she hasn't had a Hot 100 hit in 20 years. Neither has Village People and everyone knows YMCA and In The Navy, and to a lesser degree Macho Man. As I had mentioned before but none of the things she's done has really done a lot for her name in the grand scheme of things. People still think of her big 80s hits when they hear Cyndi Lauper. Some of them may be able to point out that she's still doing things but other than that, she's still confined to her 80s persona.
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Post by Lozzy on Aug 20, 2011 21:54:40 GMT -5
No, "Firework" will. It's literally been covered and licensed the most out of all of the Katy singles. And it'll be the best selling single from the era when all is said and done. you have a good point. But i was mainly referring to recurrent airplay, not movies and tv commericials. TD is the least polorizing single from the album. Judging from the songs themselves, I would think too that 'Teenage Dream' would last longest, however 'California Gurls,' 'Firework' and 'E.T.' all performed significantly better than it, I'm not sure if 'Teenage Dream' will rise above them. I think 'California Gurls' will be a summer recurrent hit, and 'Firework' and 'Teenage Dream' will probably be year-round recurrent hits. Sadly 'Last Friday Night' probably won't be a big recurrent hit. However, hopefully her 'Teenage Dream' hits can stop stations from playing 'Hot N Cold.'
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Post by gagagigigugu on Aug 20, 2011 23:29:34 GMT -5
my rank : 1. Teenage Dream 2. ET 3. Firework 4. Last Friday Night 5. California Girls
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2011 0:07:38 GMT -5
What 'California Girls' has working against it, as far as being a long-term year after year hit is that other song by The Beach Boys
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2011 1:27:47 GMT -5
and to a lesser extent David Lee Roth.. but she creatively uses a U, that'll make it stand out!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 19:34:13 GMT -5
Can Katy Perry Beat Michael Jackson's Hot 100 Record With A Sixth No. 1 Single?
August 22, 2011 By Gary Trust, New York
After joining the King of Pop in making Billboard Hot 100 history, can Katy Perry do him one better? Perry last week became the first woman, and second artist overall after Jackson, in the 53-year history of the chart to send five songs from one album to No. 1, as "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)" became the fifth chart leader from her Capitol Records set "Teenage Dream." "Friday" followed "California Gurls" (featuring Snoop Dogg), the title cut; "Firework"; and, "E.T." (featuring Kanye West) to the summit. Jackson had been the sole prior artist to send mine five Hot 100 No. 1s from one album when "Bad" yielded the toppers "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" (with Siedah Garrett); the title track; "The Way You Make Me Feel"; "Man in the Mirror"; and, "Dirty Diana" in 1987-88. Now that Perry has equaled Jackson's chart achievement, can she become the first artist in the Hot 100's archives to score six No. 1s from one set? The road to such uncharted (literally) waters would begin with Capitol. When asked by Billboard, however, the label was undecided about whether it plans to promote a sixth song from "Dream" to pop radio. ("We want to savor five right now, but in the world of Katy, you never know," says Greg Thompson, executive VP/marketing and promotion. "This historic achievement just speaks to Katy's hard work"). As the label considers its next step in the "Dream" sequence, if there is one, here are a few options that the label could take: - Release a sixth single. The catchy, uptempo "Hummingbird Heartbeat" is perhaps best in line with the album's five No. 1s. The midtempo "The One That Got Away" and "Pearl" could also be single candidates. Ballad "Not Like the Movies," which Perry performed at the 53rd Grammy Awards in February, would offer a change of pace and likely find support at adult radio. The cheeky "Peacock," a No. 1 on Dance Club Songs, would be a tough go at pop radio due to its risqué lyrics. - Repackage "Teenage Dream," adding new music. In recent years, Rihanna rereleased "Good Girl Gone Bad," in its "Reloaded" form, tacking on new singles "Take a Bow" and "Disturbia," both of which topped the Hot 100. (As Billboard merged listings for the releases into one chart entry, they count, for historical purposes, as No. 1s from the same album as "Umbrella," the lead single from "Good"; similar to "Don't Forget About Us," which gave Mariah Carey a second No. 1 from "The Emancipation From Mimi," following "We Belong Together," after the album was reissued. If Capitol released a Perry album containing enough new material to chart as its own release, i.e., such bridge efforts as Ke$ha's "Cannibal" or Lady Gaga's "The Fame Monster," Billboard would not consider any singles from the set as from "Dream," but instead from that new album). - Go out on a high note. Give Perry, and even her fans, a break from her constant stream of hit singles over the past year, avoiding the risk of overexposure for her music. One of the main drivers in Perry's "Dream" domination has been radio, with all five promoted singles having reached No. 1 on the all-format Hot 100 Airplay ranking and the Mainstream Top 40 pop tally. What advice for Capitol do programmers have? A majority of mainstream and adult top 40 PDs polled by Billboard favor the label affording Perry the chance at earning an honor that eluded even the format's late King. "Katy Perry and the team at Capitol have achieved something that only Michael Jackson has, so how could they not go for at least one more single to break the record?" asks MoJoe Roberts, program director of Citadel-owned KHOP (@95-1)/Modesto, Calif. "There are still a few tracks on 'Dream' that could reach the top spot, so I say go for it." "Perry continues to research well for most pop stations, so one would assume that the label could probably take a shot at a sixth single," echoes Chase Murphy, PD of Entercom's WFBC (B937)/Greenville, S.C. "Radio embraces artists that supply quality songs for the format, so I don't think that overexposure would be an issue. "Unless Capitol is planning on rolling out a bunch of new artists in the fourth quarter, why not go for a sixth single?" ponders Murphy. "It would most likely research faster than most songs because of the familiarity of her sound and the exposure of the album. "Records are meant to be broken." Clear Channel WXKS (Kiss 108)/Boston PD Dylan Sprague theorizes that, "'Peacock' is a great song - it stands out on the CD - but I would question its pop radio viability. We would have a tough time playing that. I don't feel like that song leaves much to interpretation." Still, says Sprague, the five smashes from "Dream" "aren't any more or any less burned out in research than other hits from the same period. "Would I love another Katy track for the fall? Absolutely." Rich Davis, operations manager of Clear Channel's Nashville, Tenn., cluster, which includes WRVW (107.5 the River), votes for a "repackaged album with bonus cuts," adding that his research for the "Dream" singles doesn't reveal listener fatigue for the project. "I think it's because all the singles are different enough in sound that it hasn't been like hearing the same song in five different releases," Davis says. Not all programmers, however, believe that Perry should continue to test her chart fortunes. "Capitol shouldn't release another single," counters Sue O'Neil, OM of Buffalo's Entercom-owned mainstream top 40 WKSE (Kiss 98.5) and adult top 40 WTSS (Star 102.5), noting that, "if radio wants to play a song from the album, it will do so with or without an official label release." Still, says O'Neil, "I don't in any way think that Perry is overexposed. She constantly keeps the water coolers buzzing with her fashions and cool videos. I do, however, think that I'm ready to hear what she has up her sleeve next. That's not because I'm tired of her, but because I like her. "I think she's here to stay." Charese Fruge programs two adult top 40 signals, CBS Radio's KSCF (Sophie@103.7)/San Diego and KMXB (Mix 94.1)/Las Vegas. She notes that while there is "little-to-no audience exhaustion on 'Teenage Dream' and 'Firework' for us, there is on the more recent 'E.T.' and 'Friday,' as adult pop stations are moving more quickly to keep up with Perry's mass-appeal. Adult pop stations are spinning her singles more to keep up with her popularity. "Regardless," says Fruge, "Everything on this album has been a home run and Perry has just accomplished a major chart milestone and one in her career. But, I think that she should take a break while she's on top of the world and, instead of risking overexposure, keep everyone wanting more ... and extremely anxious for new material." While ruling the Hot 100 with a sixth single from one album would mark a first in the survey's history, previous sixth releases from albums have found success. Three sets have even sported seven top 10s each. Jackson notched seven Hot 100 top 10s from "Thriller" (1983-84), capped by "P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)" (No. 10) and the title cut (No. 4). The last of Bruce Springsteen's seven top 10s from "Born in the USA" (1984-86) - "I'm Goin' Down" and "My Hometown" - reached Nos. 9 and 6, respectively. And, in a discography that Capitol and Perry would find encouraging, Janet Jackson rose to No. 1 with the sixth and seventh commercial singles from "Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814" (1989-91): "Black Cat" and "Love Will Never Do (Without You)." The album's depth further showed as an eighth track, "State of the World," reached No. 5 on Radio Songs (but, due to chart rules at the time that prevented non-commercially-available singles from appearing on the Hot 100, never appeared on the Hot 100). As for the artist with whom Perry is now linked in Hot 100 history, how did Michael Jackson follow his five leaders from "Bad"? Sixth single "Another Part of Me" stopped at No. 11. Seventh single "Smooth Criminal" returned Jackson to the top 10, peaking at No. 7 in 1989
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 22, 2011 20:40:13 GMT -5
It's interesting that even radio is pushing for her to go forward and have essentially said they'll play her. I say go for it!
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 22, 2011 20:58:05 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 21:31:10 GMT -5
Hey if her attempt to get a 6th #1 off her album looks like it will fall short, then all she has to do is release a last minute remix and VIOLA! 6th #1! ;)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 21:56:14 GMT -5
Or what about "repression" Will that work?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 22:05:10 GMT -5
I can see it now, Peacock ft. Rihanna, Britney Spears, Nicki Minaj & Ke$ha
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Aug 22, 2011 22:09:21 GMT -5
Hey if her attempt to get a 6th #1 off her album looks like it will fall short, then all she has to do is release a last minute remix and VIOLA! 6th #1! ;) Yup! Then she'll have 6 legitimate #1s in a row :'(
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 22, 2011 22:16:58 GMT -5
I just think that since her album sales haven't been high, it benefits potential single sales. Radio will likely support most of the remaining album tracks should they be released as singles. All they need to do is come up with a decent promo campaign to work in relation to that single, schedule everything just right to capitalize on the timing with the video and the song should easily reach the Top 10 on iTunes. Coupled with radio airplay and you have a Top 10 Hot 100 hit. Getting to #1 would be tricky and I'd hope they could come up with something without having to resort to another last-minute remix a la Last Friday Night. I don't think the #1 is needed though. Make the effort but settle on the Top 10. It's pretty rare nowadays for an album to get six solid Top 10 hits without the help of a re-release anyway. Work with that.
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Post by Treacherous on Aug 23, 2011 0:57:20 GMT -5
Certainly. Even if "Last Friday Night" is Katy's final number one (which is unlikely) and she never charts again (even more unlikely), she could be totally forgotten ten years from now for all we know, that doesn't mean "Teenage Dream", "California Gurls", "Firework" and "Hot 'n Cold" won't still be famous pop songs of the era years from now i still think Teenage Dream is going to last the longest. I agree with you because the meaning of the song is kinda timeless because obviously there were always be teenagers and they will always be falling in love etc because everyone has to have a first love. This is everyone teenager love song.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 23, 2011 7:50:40 GMT -5
I just think that since her album sales haven't been high, it benefits potential single sales. Radio will likely support most of the remaining album tracks should they be released as singles. All they need to do is come up with a decent promo campaign to work in relation to that single, schedule everything just right to capitalize on the timing with the video and the song should easily reach the Top 10 on iTunes. Coupled with radio airplay and you have a Top 10 Hot 100 hit. Getting to #1 would be tricky and I'd hope they could come up with something without having to resort to another last-minute remix a la Last Friday Night. I don't think the #1 is needed though. Make the effort but settle on the Top 10. It's pretty rare nowadays for an album to get six solid Top 10 hits without the help of a re-release anyway. Work with that. Agreed. I think Katy should take the E.T. approach with the next single. Maybe get Drake or Lil' Wayne on it or someone who can make getting #1 quick and painless so as not to burn people out.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Aug 23, 2011 10:17:08 GMT -5
Katy is supposed to have a remix album out in November.
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Post by slw84 on Aug 23, 2011 10:31:32 GMT -5
I think one of the programmers makes an excellent point by saying that if radio wanted to listen to another song they would play it with or without her. If her other non single songs have not received much play at this point or throughout then that speaks for itself.
I'm against repackaging.
I wanted her to aim for a sixth single but that would have been with Peacock. One of the programmers made a great point about it being an uphill battle to be played on radio.
If they don't go with Hummingbird Heartbeat or The one that got away with a remix with a male singer than I say
Go out on a high note...you achieved a record that matched MJ...that's enough. When will another female break her record?
Next focus on a new album that can help you match and break Whitney's 7 consecutive #1 hits...I'm sure her label can get her 3 #1 hits with her first three singles off her new record.
Release song in late April/May...new album in June "song of the summer again...yawn" the rest will be history.
Anyone else agree???
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Post by Verisimilitude on Aug 23, 2011 10:32:03 GMT -5
Katy is supposed to have a remix album out in November. Should make top 20 then.
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Post by colson on Aug 23, 2011 10:36:33 GMT -5
I think one of the programmers makes an excellent point by saying that if radio wanted to listen to another song they would play it with or without her. If her other non single songs have not received much play at this point or throughout then that speaks for itself. I'm against repackaging. I wanted her to aim for a sixth single but that would have been with Peacock. One of the programmers made a great point about it being an uphill battle to be played on radio. If they don't go with Hummingbird Heartbeat or The one that got away with a remix with a male singer than I say Go out on a high note...you achieved a record that matched MJ...that's enough. When will another female break her record? Next focus on a new album that can help you match and break Whitney's 7 consecutive #1 hits...I'm sure her label can get her 3 #1 hits with her first three singles off her new record. Release song in late April/May...new album in June "song of the summer again...yawn" the rest will be history. Anyone else agree??? She doesn't need a new album out to until 2013. This album seems like it's been out forever.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 23, 2011 10:50:13 GMT -5
summer or fall of 2012 would be perfect. 2013 is too long. This isn't the 80's.
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Post by jebsib on Aug 23, 2011 20:59:41 GMT -5
Because of iTunes promotion album cuts now appearing on the Hot 100, "Not like the Movies" and "Circle the Drain" have already appeared on the Hot 100 between the debuts of "Teenage Dream" and "Firework". Because of these 'hiccups', is a straight, clean chart record of 7 possible consecutive #1s (to tie Whitney) even possible?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Aug 23, 2011 22:04:42 GMT -5
I'm going to say not likely if released from this CD. In my opinion, Katy can go a few routes:
-as was just mentioned, if radio wants to play a Katy song, and they do, they'll pick their own. It would be better to rally support toward one song to ensure the most airplay. Do a video and plan out a proper schedule. Aim for the Top 10 on the Hot 100. It's coming upon the strong period of the year chart-wise so #1 is likely out of the question. With iTunes, Top 10 isn't.
-if they want to go for the #1 streak, do a non-album single. Either for an album re-release (i hate those) or as a standalone like 'Moves Like Jagger'. If it's available only on iTunes, it's guaranteed to have huge sales anyway. #1 is likely.
-simply wait for the next album to continue to #1 streak. Though personally, I don't think a #1 streak is really that important. And if the album is far away, they can continue to focus on this one for at least another single.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Aug 23, 2011 23:11:25 GMT -5
Because of iTunes promotion album cuts now appearing on the Hot 100, "Not like the Movies" and "Circle the Drain" have already appeared on the Hot 100 between the debuts of "Teenage Dream" and "Firework". Because of these 'hiccups', is a straight, clean chart record of 7 possible consecutive #1s (to tie Whitney) even possible? Yes. They just need a hot rapper tacked on remix complete w a beat change and Katy should be fine. I'd go w billboards suggestion...and put some marketing muscle into it. She should get a quick #1 and keep it moving.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2011 23:21:56 GMT -5
Because of iTunes promotion album cuts now appearing on the Hot 100, "Not like the Movies" and "Circle the Drain" have already appeared on the Hot 100 between the debuts of "Teenage Dream" and "Firework". Because of these 'hiccups', is a straight, clean chart record of 7 possible consecutive #1s (to tie Whitney) even possible? No because of everything you just said. The 5 #1's that stand now are already not consecutive
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Aug 23, 2011 23:35:00 GMT -5
Because of iTunes promotion album cuts now appearing on the Hot 100, "Not like the Movies" and "Circle the Drain" have already appeared on the Hot 100 between the debuts of "Teenage Dream" and "Firework". Because of these 'hiccups', is a straight, clean chart record of 7 possible consecutive #1s (to tie Whitney) even possible? Oh this is a very good point. I guess she's gonna have to aim for Janet's record then!
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Aug 23, 2011 23:37:38 GMT -5
Then Gaga lost her top 10 streak with Hair. Goes the same way, no? Personally I think those songs don't count cuz there was no radio release, no adds date, no nothing.
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Post by Push The Button on Aug 23, 2011 23:40:16 GMT -5
Of course they count. Otherwise they wouldn't chart on the Hot 100.
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