Avril Lavigne Discussion- Divorcing Nickelback

[irice22]

"What the Hell" was the clear first choice, it likely underperformed due to the large amount of competition and her absence from the music scene.

[Love Plastic Love]

What The Hell was the ONLY option for a first single from the album as we have it. I mean, we could always say she could have recorded other songs that would have worked better, but essentially GL is not that radio friendly of a cd with its serious or fun songs. Absolutely nothing else would have done as well as it for the first single. Unfortunately, I think she needed something...more? to get people's attention after a long break, label issues, a bit of an image issue, etc.

I am ready for her to smash again though. Listening to all four of her cds makes me feel like Avril is truly a musical gem and I hope that she is given the chance to express that. Like, her debut cd when she was like...14-15 is still more mature, cohesive, and thoughtful than anything most pop stars ever put out.

[Chris Ng]

GF sold 3.5 million in US btw

[reidster]

Jun 21, 2012 18:43:52 GMT -5 Love Plastic Love said:

What The Hell was the ONLY option for a first single from the album as we have it. I mean, we could always say she could have recorded other songs that would have worked better, but essentially GL is not that radio friendly of a cd with its serious or fun songs. Absolutely nothing else would have done as well as it for the first single.

Nothing irritates me more than people posting their opinion as fact. Regardless, I don't see why she needed to release something upbeat and very poppy to get a hit. Taylor, Adele, Bruno Mars, among many others, don't have any problem releasing mid-tempo / singer-songwriter hits.

[Au$tin]

Jun 22, 2012 14:34:08 GMT -5 reidster said:

Jun 21, 2012 18:43:52 GMT -5 Love Plastic Love said:

What The Hell was the ONLY option for a first single from the album as we have it. I mean, we could always say she could have recorded other songs that would have worked better, but essentially GL is not that radio friendly of a cd with its serious or fun songs. Absolutely nothing else would have done as well as it for the first single.

Nothing irritates me more than people posting their opinion as fact. Regardless, I don't see why she needed to release something upbeat and very poppy to get a hit. Taylor, Adele, Bruno Mars, among many others, don't have any problem releasing mid-tempo / singer-songwriter hits.

Those artists weren't in the same position as Avril. At all.

[Snowbeast]

Jun 22, 2012 14:35:22 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Jun 22, 2012 14:34:08 GMT -5 reidster said:

Nothing irritates me more than people posting their opinion as fact. Regardless, I don't see why she needed to release something upbeat and very poppy to get a hit. Taylor, Adele, Bruno Mars, among many others, don't have any problem releasing mid-tempo / singer-songwriter hits.

Those artists weren't in the same position as Avril. At all.

What position was Avril in exactly? Nobody expected her to flop. People were estimating her album at 180,000 before real projections came out. She was out of the music scene for awhile and had an opportunity to change people's perception of her. You don't need a pop hit to sell albums. If she lead off the album with Everybody Hurts, maybe she could've opened with 180k. We'll never know.

[Au$tin]

Jun 22, 2012 14:51:00 GMT -5 Snowbeast said:

Jun 22, 2012 14:35:22 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Those artists weren't in the same position as Avril. At all.

What position was Avril in exactly? Nobody expected her to flop. People were estimating her album at 180,000 before real projections came out. She was out of the music scene for awhile and had an opportunity to change people's perception of her. You don't need a pop hit to sell albums. If she lead off the album with Everybody Hurts, maybe she could've opened with 180k. We'll never know.

Who said anything about albums? We were talking about singles.

Avril was in a point in her career where a lead single coming off of a flop single and two flop promos had to be strong, or else things would not be good for her. "What the Hell" and maybe "Smile" are the only two songs on the record that qualified for that. Even then, "What the Hell" struggled to really gain a lot of traction on radio. It did eventually reach #11 on CHR, something I don't think any other song from the album could've done if released first.

Frankly I don't see how anyone cannot see that. It's so clear that Avril had lost a great deal of name recognition in between "When You're Gone" and "What the Hell." She needed a song to get her back on the radar, and that was the song to do it with. She is in a better position now then where she was in December 2010 thanks to that song.

We all knew she would do decently first week in sales of both her album and the single because of her fanbase. Even at that point her fanbase was still a decent size. However, she needed more than just something for the fans.

I believe she needs a nice uptempo (not necessarily in the same vein as WTH) as the lead for her next album to completely solidify herself, and then she can take some risks. This next album is either gonna keep her career going or break her. I'm hoping it does the former, and I believe, based on who she's working with and how she's describing it, this will definitely get back up there. I'm very excited for it! I miss Avril smashing the charts.

[Love Plastic Love]

Jun 22, 2012 14:34:08 GMT -5 reidster said:

Jun 21, 2012 18:43:52 GMT -5 Love Plastic Love said:

What The Hell was the ONLY option for a first single from the album as we have it. I mean, we could always say she could have recorded other songs that would have worked better, but essentially GL is not that radio friendly of a cd with its serious or fun songs. Absolutely nothing else would have done as well as it for the first single.

Nothing irritates me more than people posting their opinion as fact. Regardless, I don't see why she needed to release something upbeat and very poppy to get a hit. Taylor, Adele, Bruno Mars, among many others, don't have any problem releasing mid-tempo / singer-songwriter hits.

Message boards must drive you absolutely crazy in my opinion. Most people just sort of assume that when we post stuff it is an opinion in my opinion. In my opinion, being able to tell an opinion from an actual literal fact should be fairly easy even in the absence of an in my opinion. It would get really annoying if before literally every sentence that may contain an opinion we have to state it is an opinion in my opinion ;)

In my opinion, What the Hell was the only choice. In my opinion, it is absolutely insane to compare Avril coming back with GL to ADELE or Taylor, two of the biggest, hottest stars who already had massive smashes from faster songs. In my opinion, Bruno may be the only exception, but he is also known as a midtempo crooner which Avril is not. In my opinion, an amazingly catchy midtempo may work, but I don't even think that GL had that stunning midtempo that would have caught on.

[Chris Ng]

Jun 22, 2012 14:51:00 GMT -5 Snowbeast said:

Jun 22, 2012 14:35:22 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Those artists weren't in the same position as Avril. At all.

What position was Avril in exactly? Nobody expected her to flop. People were estimating her album at 180,000 before real projections came out. She was out of the music scene for awhile and had an opportunity to change people's perception of her. You don't need a pop hit to sell albums. If she lead off the album with Everybody Hurts, maybe she could've opened with 180k. We'll never know.

Really ? Cause i remember there were lots of people expected she would've pulled a Bionic ???

[reidster]

Jun 22, 2012 16:11:05 GMT -5 Love Plastic Love said:

Jun 22, 2012 14:34:08 GMT -5 reidster said:

Nothing irritates me more than people posting their opinion as fact. Regardless, I don't see why she needed to release something upbeat and very poppy to get a hit. Taylor, Adele, Bruno Mars, among many others, don't have any problem releasing mid-tempo / singer-songwriter hits.

Message boards must drive you absolutely crazy in my opinion. Most people just sort of assume that when we post stuff it is an opinion in my opinion. In my opinion, being able to tell an opinion from an actual literal fact should be fairly easy even in the absence of an in my opinion. It would get really annoying if before literally every sentence that may contain an opinion we have to state it is an opinion in my opinion ;)

Anyway, I think Everybody Hurts, for example, could have gone top 10. Sure it would be a slow rise, but I do think it would have increased her album sales. "What The Hell" and "Smile" basically re-enforced the belief that she is still a bratty little girl, something that turned a lot of people off.

[Chris Ng]

I seriously think it would've have flopPed as hard as nelly's new single if they had released it as a first single

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Avril's image is very limited at this point I think so I think when What The Hell came out, it was her delivering a song that people expected from her, though I argue that it's not necessarily one people want from her. She's been working off of a similar image since the first album with the exception of most of Under My Skin. Goodbye Lullaby, I think, is a decent album that was poorly represented by the first two singles. I think Avril is great at coming up with melodies but she desperately needs co-writers for her lyrics, which I think is what she got with Chad among others, so I do have higher expectations for this album.
On the flip side, an attempt by Avril to be something serious again could backfire because she's extended the bratty no-care girl for as long as she has so there could be a challenge. Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing what she has in store this time.

As an aside, I Love You is another great track from GL that could have done decently.

[Snowbeast]

Jun 24, 2012 11:41:43 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Avril's image is very limited at this point I think so I think when What The Hell came out, it was her delivering a song that people expected from her, though I argue that it's not necessarily one people want from her. She's been working off of a similar image since the first album with the exception of most of Under My Skin. Goodbye Lullaby, I think, is a decent album that was poorly represented by the first two singles. I think Avril is great at coming up with melodies but she desperately needs co-writers for her lyrics, which I think is what she got with Chad among others, so I do have higher expectations for this album.
On the flip side, an attempt by Avril to be something serious again could backfire because she's extended the bratty no-care girl for as long as she has so there could be a challenge. Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing what she has in store this time.

As an aside, I Love You is another great track from GL that could have done decently.

I don't know if she's trying to be "something serious again". Aside from "emotional, but upbeat" we really don't know anything about the sound of the album and everything thus far has just been speculation about what direction she should take. I would expect some serious ballads from the David and Chad collaboration, but Chad said some of the stuff was straight up rhythmic so we really don't know. Epic hasn't said anything about the direction of the album, Avril has given her usual limited description in 2 sentences, and the producers have been pretty tight lipped.

[Hierophant]

Jun 24, 2012 11:41:43 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Avril's image is very limited at this point I think so I think when What The Hell came out, it was her delivering a song that people expected from her, though I argue that it's not necessarily one people want from her. She's been working off of a similar image since the first album with the exception of most of Under My Skin. Goodbye Lullaby, I think, is a decent album that was poorly represented by the first two singles. I think Avril is great at coming up with melodies but she desperately needs co-writers for her lyrics, which I think is what she got with Chad among others, so I do have higher expectations for this album.
On the flip side, an attempt by Avril to be something serious again could backfire because she's extended the bratty no-care girl for as long as she has so there could be a challenge. Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing what she has in store this time.

As an aside, I Love You is another great track from GL that could have done decently.

I'm with you. And I have a feeling this album will be different from what we saw from her in the last 10 years.

[Felicia]

Avril needs to adjust her music to fit into the current musical trend if she still wants to remain relevant & successful. She failed to do that with 'GL' album. Despite that, I am still baffled why didn't 'WTH' do better though. I blame it largely on the competition.

[Snowbeast]

[Musiq]

Again, radio played a huge role in how her last album performed. She had some catchy ones, but they were stuck on the cliche dance crap.

[Snowbeast]

You can barely tell she has an undercut.

[Hierophant]

Avril Lavigne Dating Marilyn Manson?


www.gossipcop.com/avril-lavigne-marilyn-manson-dating-couple-hooking-up-paris/


WOW!

[Au$tin]

Jun 28, 2012 13:22:43 GMT -5 Hierophant said:

Avril Lavigne Dating Marilyn Manson?


www.gossipcop.com/avril-lavigne-marilyn-manson-dating-couple-hooking-up-paris/


WOW!

Ew.

Please do not be true.

[esoteric76]

I was bummed that Smile and Wish You Were Here didn't take off, but the three songs the label did release were my 3 faves from the album. I know she'll go off into a different direction, but I loved those songs. God Bless Max Martin.

[Snowbeast]

Jun 28, 2012 13:27:31 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Jun 28, 2012 13:22:43 GMT -5 Hierophant said:

Avril Lavigne Dating Marilyn Manson?


www.gossipcop.com/avril-lavigne-marilyn-manson-dating-couple-hooking-up-paris/


WOW!

Ew.

Please do not be true.

I hope that's not true, but there's been rumors of them dating/messing around since 2003.

[Hierophant]

2 news tattoos

a cave



and something written... "“La vie em rose", probably, which means "Life in pink"





She was with CHAD, by the way.

[reidster]

I'm anxious to hear all songs, but especially the Chad collaborations. Hopefully some great pop-rock stuff.

[Dammn Baby]

I can only assume her tattoo reads "La vie en rose," which translates to "Life in pink". If the tattoo artist used "em" instead of "en", then LOL!

[reidster]

A cursive n looks like an m.
La vie an Rose was a popular song in the 1940s.

[Hierophant]

new pic... i like it!

migre.me/9Ka9U

[Snowbeast]

Two weeks ago, Chad Kroeger called into SoJo 104.9 to talk about the Nickelback's upcoming concert at Revel Resorts, his recent critical backlash, his new music video, and working with Avril Lavigne.

SoJo: What can you tell me about the work you're doing with Avril Lavigne. I saw some photos on Facebook that kind of made me all fluttery. Did she reach out to you?

Chad Kroeger: I met her manager, when I was in Cabo for New Years. He got in touch with my manager and suggested her and I get together and do some writing. We've done two or three different writing sessions now, and it's just amazing every single time we get into the studio together. She's got, just an amazing voice! We've probably done eight songs now, and there another week scheduled here coming up in about four or five days.

So that means she was still writing songs just a week ago. >:(

[Hierophant]

what a bitch!

[Chris Ng]

You can't blame her for that though. She just wants to do her best for that album ! :)