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Post by elementd5 on Dec 31, 2011 22:54:35 GMT -5
It's impossible. No song can become a hit based solely on the artist. They can debut high, and then fall very quickly but they can't become 'true' hits without the general population supporting the song.
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Post by 🅳🅸🆂🅲🅾 on Dec 31, 2011 23:04:56 GMT -5
And, I'm still waiting for the proof that ALL Clear Channel stations did not play Britney Spears music from 2001-2003. Probably a case of playing her less than they did fr the first couple of albums. January 22, 2002 The Honorable John Ashcroft U.S. Attorney General Department of Justice 950 Pennsylvania Ave. NW Washington DC 20530 The Honorable Michael K. Powell, Chairman Federal Communications Commission The Portals II 445 12th Street SW Room 8B201 Washington DC 20554 Dear Attorney General Ashcroft and Chairman Powell: I write to express my serious concern about vertical and horizontal integration in the radio, television, and concert promotion industries. Specifically, I am concerned about allegations that consolidation of these industries by Clear Channel Communications, Inc. has negatively affected recording artists, owners of sound recording copyrights, consumers, advertisers, and competitors in the radio and television industries. I would like to know whether your agencies have investigated the allegations detailed below, and if not, would encourage you to do so. According to numerous press reports, as well as first hand accounts by affected recording artists and copyright owners, Clear Channel’s consolidation of the radio and concert promotion industries has had a variety of negative repercussions on recording artists, copyright owners, and consumers. It has been reported that Clear Channel has “punished” recording artists, including Britney Spears, for their refusal to use its concert promotion service, Clear Channel Entertainment, by “burying” radio ads for their concerts and by refusing to play their songs on its radio stations. The consolidation of the radio industry also lends growing support to persistent allegations that record companies often must pay radio stations to play the music of their artists. These allegations, if true, have obvious, negative implications for consumers, both through higher concert ticket prices and reduced selections of broadcast music. To the extent your respective agencies have jurisdiction to do so, I believe you should investigate and fully prosecute any violations of the antitrust laws or FCC regulations that have occurred in the above-referenced circumstances. I am also concerned about related reports of “parking” or “warehousing” of radio and television stations by Clear Channel. These reports allege that Clear Channel has intentionally flouted FCC rules limiting ownership of multiple radio and television stations in numerous markets around the country, including Monterey, San Diego, San Francisco, Hudson NY, Catskills NY, Charlotte NC, Chillicothe OH, Oklahoma City OK, and Waco TX. According to the press accounts, Clear Channel often arranges for third parties, shell corporations, or related entities to buy radio and television stations in markets in which Clear Channel has already reached the ownership caps or been faced with public opposition or regulatory scrutiny. Clear Channel allegedly has arranged to officially “buy” these stations when, and if, the FCC lifts those caps. I believe you should fully investigate these “warehousing” and “parking” allegations, and if true, should prosecute any violations of law. These acts may be illegal in and of themselves, and are likely to exacerbate the negative effects, outlined above, that consolidation has had on recording artists, copyright owners, advertisers, and consumers. It is also apparent that any investigation of possible antitrust violations by Clear Channel must consider the existence of “warehousing” or “parking” arrangements. I would appreciate the favor of a reply at your earliest convenience concerning your agencies’ plans on this matter. Respectfully, HOWARD L. BERMAN Member of Congress www.house.gov/berman/newsroom/clear_channel_letter.htmland this post from BreatheHeavy: "When the DWAD tour was being planned, ClearChannel Communications offered to sponsor it for a cut of the profits in return. Britney was having her lucrative deal with Pepsi who wanted to sponsor the tour, and Jive decided to go with them. ClearChannel got angry and told all the radio stations they owned, which was like most of it, to blacklist Britney. Slave had already been released and stalled at 27. All the other singles flopped in The US. When the Onyx Hotel Tour was being planned, ClearChannel again approached Jive and offered its services, and Jive said yes. MATM was out by then and had a troubled run, stalling even lower than Slave, but once the tour started Britney had radio support again, AND her blockbuster Toxic was the first song tto get the benefit of full radio support since, and the people LOVED the song too. Everytime also did well. If you ask me, that was HANDS-DOWN the worst mistake of Britney's career. Before that, BOMT shipped 14 million in the States and OIDIA sold 10 million. Britney had two diamond albums and a fantastic reputation under her belt. Her third album sold purely on the strength of Slave alone, and her reputation as a performer. The album got 4 million in the US. It coincided with the advent of illegal downloading, but if Britney had been given a proper chance, she would have sold way higher, maybe 7 or 8 million, AND in result, ITZ (and maybe even Blackout and Circus) would have all sold just a little bit higher than they have now"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 2:25:59 GMT -5
I feel that the majority of songs named in this thread are really just "songs that I don't understand why other people like them." Not quite what this thread was going for. I would say that what we're looking for is songs that peaked high and early, but fell fast.
Beyonce's Deja Vu is the best example I can think of right now. She was coming off her hugely successful debut and there was a lot of anticipation for the song. It peaked at #4, but fell quickly.
I'd say that many of the American Idol winners' singles fit this bill as well. They would debut at #1 because of the hype following the finale, but then plummet afterward because few people actually like those terrible songs.
It's been mentioned before, but Michael's singles from the Bad era also fit. The lead single (I Just Can't Stop Loving You) had a very short run and Dirty Diana was considered a payola single.
I can't recall any other songs like this, though I am sure there are some.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 2:36:12 GMT -5
I feel the best example is Crack A Bottle by Eminem.
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Post by Lozzy on Jan 1, 2012 2:44:02 GMT -5
It's been mentioned before, but Michael's singles from the Bad era also fit. The lead single (I Just Can't Stop Loving You) had a very short run and Dirty Diana was considered a payola single. Tell me more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 6:08:06 GMT -5
^Jebsib is the one who brought it up initially...came up back in July when people were whining about Katy not deserving to tie Michael's record of 5 #1's. More detail: The problem with the Bad #1's is that, in Thriller's shadow, they mostly underperformed as #1 songs go. Epic panicked early after IJCSLY was held at bay for two weeks by La Bamba, and both that ballad and Bad were on the Hot 100 for a meager 14 weeks; A terrible showing - even at the time - for #1's by a superstar. The Way You Make Me Feel and Man in the Mirror both "felt" like big hits because of lasting recurrent play, but TWYMMF didn't get to #1 on either the sales or (BB) airplay charts. And Dirty Diana (A frequent victim of being labelled a Payola record) has the dubious distinction of being the weakest #1 song of the '80s (based on its chart performance = weeks in Top 10 / top 40 / Hot 100). BTW, the 'other' Jackson Rock #1 Song, "Black Cat" has the same sad distinction ... for the 1990s! As much as I love MJ, his Bad singles simply don't compare to the ubiquitous presence and impact of Katy Perry's recent run. The Bad era was pretty much screwed before it ever began. It was always going to be "the album that followed Thriller." Of course, that seems easy to say now; a lot of times people don't realize they're witnessing something amazing until after it's happened. But even back then I think people realized the magnitude of Thriller, thus creating massive followup expectations that no human being - even MJ - could possibly live up to, commercially or artistically. I forgot to mention this above, but just FYI, Deja Vu only stayed in the Hot 100 for 6 weeks (assuming Billboard has their online database correct...they've made some errors before when it comes to their archives). -------- Crack a Bottle! I always manage to blank out that song's existence until someone else brings it up. I can't believe it ever saw the light of day, let alone made it to #1. Perfect example.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 6:51:27 GMT -5
"Deja Vu" didn't spend six weeks on the Hot 100. I believe it peaked in its sixth week.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 6:58:13 GMT -5
Hits = high peaks?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 15:23:10 GMT -5
"Deja Vu" didn't spend six weeks on the Hot 100. I believe it peaked in its sixth week. Damn you Billboard, making a fool out of me, lol. I need BB to get their online act together. How many weeks did it spend? And would anyone happen to know Deja Vu's run as well? (And BB didn't even have a run listed for Ring the Alarm at all, which obviously isn't right.) Codex - well, just for the purpose of this thread, yes. The two elements of a hit IMO are 1) a high peak and 2) longevity. The "big" hits have both; moderate hits usually only have one or the other. A song that just has a lot of momentum and star power behind it will get that high peak early on, but if the song is not compelling enough then it will fall quickly, proving that it was only hype/artist name that got it there. Then some songs don't get as high a peak as you would have thought they did because they didn't have that immediate momentum, but they hang around forever, which indicates to me that the song is well liked by many people. Jar of Hearts and Already Gone are two examples of this; they "only" peaked inside the top 20 but they stayed on the charts for months. (I'd give you exact numbers but since BB has proven itself to be untrustworthy now, I'll leave that alone.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 15:31:02 GMT -5
Basically, only songs that are frontloaded can fit into this category. The fans all buy it when the song comes out. They get high peaks because of the artist name alone. However, if your definition of a "hit" is a song that has lonevity, has radio support and is greatly remembered, then there isn't any song that would fit into this category. The two things kind of contradict each other.
Btw, Deja Vu's run is this: 44-37-33-34-30-32-4-6-12-15-22-29-31-42-57-82-99-OUT (17 weeks)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 15:42:10 GMT -5
TY ry4n!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 15:42:11 GMT -5
This thread is mostly a way for people to bitch and moan about songs that they don't like but were successful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2012 15:49:22 GMT -5
Isn't this entire section?
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Post by Lozzy on Jan 1, 2012 16:02:21 GMT -5
^Jebsib is the one who brought it up initially...came up back in July when people were whining about Katy not deserving to tie Michael's record of 5 #1's. More detail: The problem with the Bad #1's is that, in Thriller's shadow, they mostly underperformed as #1 songs go. Epic panicked early after IJCSLY was held at bay for two weeks by La Bamba, and both that ballad and Bad were on the Hot 100 for a meager 14 weeks; A terrible showing - even at the time - for #1's by a superstar. The Way You Make Me Feel and Man in the Mirror both "felt" like big hits because of lasting recurrent play, but TWYMMF didn't get to #1 on either the sales or (BB) airplay charts. And Dirty Diana (A frequent victim of being labelled a Payola record) has the dubious distinction of being the weakest #1 song of the '80s (based on its chart performance = weeks in Top 10 / top 40 / Hot 100). BTW, the 'other' Jackson Rock #1 Song, "Black Cat" has the same sad distinction ... for the 1990s! As much as I love MJ, his Bad singles simply don't compare to the ubiquitous presence and impact of Katy Perry's recent run. The Bad era was pretty much screwed before it ever began. It was always going to be "the album that followed Thriller." Of course, that seems easy to say now; a lot of times people don't realize they're witnessing something amazing until after it's happened. But even back then I think people realized the magnitude of Thriller, thus creating massive followup expectations that no human being - even MJ - could possibly live up to, commercially or artistically. Thank you (and jebsib too) for the information. :)
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Post by Stan4Jan on Jan 6, 2012 14:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 6, 2012 16:04:05 GMT -5
I disagree with a lot of these, but I GOtta Feeling jumps out as a really bizarre choice. Like, it was so successful it is almost unfathomable. It dominated forever and ever and ever and ever and sold absolute tons of singles worldwide with constant high airplay. It is probably one of the biggest hits of the entire decade. That is NOT just "getting by on artist cred" lol.
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Post by C.Ro on Jan 7, 2012 10:41:15 GMT -5
Lady Gaga feat. Beyonce - Telephone Rihanna - We Found Love Mariah Carey - Touch My Body Madonna feat. Justin Timberlake & Timbaland - 4 Minutes Eminem feat. Dr. Dre - Crack A Bottle Gwen Stefani - Wind It Up Jordin Sparks feat. Chris Brown - No Air
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 10:43:38 GMT -5
I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the question.
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jan 7, 2012 11:13:55 GMT -5
I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the question. They def are. I wanna say Take Care would fit the bill cause it def debuted at #9 cause of Drake & Rihanna, not even the production of the track.* *(At First)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 12:12:45 GMT -5
Tik Tok - Ke$ha Baby One More Time - Britney Spears On The Floor - Jennifer Lopez Like a G6 - Far East Movement I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the question. ???
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Post by out of reach on Jan 7, 2012 12:25:05 GMT -5
I think many songs these days get more airplay than they should based on being an established artist. Beyonce's first single, Kelly's Clarkson's single, Adele's Set Fire to the rain. Anything by LMFAO.
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Post by NeRD on Jan 8, 2012 23:00:41 GMT -5
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Post by Myth X on Jan 9, 2012 10:37:20 GMT -5
Hold It Against Me 3 Crack A Bottle Erotica Deja Vu Beautiful Liar Born This Way Touch My Body Don't Forget About Us Thank God I Found You I Don't Wanna Cry S&M This Used To Be My Playground Thank You (Alanis) Imma Be
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2012 14:01:31 GMT -5
Baby One More Time - Britney Spears What?! :o I definitely agree with "Crack A Bottle". I never even heard that song until a few months ago.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jan 9, 2012 14:16:13 GMT -5
Bob That Head - Rascal Flatts It was a Top 20 hit on country radio, so it was still successful enough to be something of a 'hit,' but it was their first single to miss the Top 10, proving that radio played it because it was RF but not because they or the listeners really enjoyed it.
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Post by Mack on Jan 10, 2012 15:02:04 GMT -5
^ I liked 'Bob That Head', and still do. :) I know I'm in the minority, though.
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Post by Cody Wants Out... on Jan 10, 2012 16:07:25 GMT -5
I also liked "Bob That Head" and thought it was a good choice for a single. I think it performed so poorly because it was released too late (imo, it should've been sent out in May instead of mid-July). I can see why people don't like it, though. Speaking of RF, I'd have to say "Here Comes Goodbye", "Summer Nights", and "Easy"; I mostly find SN overrated instead of something being a hit due to their cred. I absolutely didn't like anything from Unstoppable and Nothing Like This, give or take a few tracks from each album ("Love Who You Love", "Unstoppable", and "Sunday Afternoon"). I'd also consider the following, although I'd also consider these more overrated than songs that were only hits because of their name: Carrie Underwood - "Mama's Song" Luke Bryan - "Country Girl (Shake It For Me)" Dierks Bentley - "Am I The Only One" Taylor Swift - "Mean" Katy Perry - "California Gurls" Bruno Mars - "The Lazy Song" Ke$ha - "We R Who We R" Rihanna - "Take A Bow", "What's My Name?" and "S&M" That's all I can think of.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 16:09:39 GMT -5
Maybe someone could just start (or bump) an overrated thread, because there is a whole list of reasons some of those songs were hits.
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Post by atlantaboy on Jan 11, 2012 20:05:01 GMT -5
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Post by onefrayedrepublic on Jan 11, 2012 20:58:56 GMT -5
Tik Tok - Ke$ha Like a G6 - Far East Movement I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the question. ??? Almost no one had even heard of either of these two artists prior to these songs. They are the anthesis of this question ... these songs were hits despite the artists singing autotuning them having no credibility whatsoever.
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