Honeymoon
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Post by Honeymoon on Jan 5, 2012 21:56:53 GMT -5
I'd love to see Kelly improve on AIEW sales (which has yet to be certified Platinum or even Gold, btw!)
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Post by forg on Jan 5, 2012 23:13:48 GMT -5
AIEW sold around 900k right?
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Honeymoon
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Post by Honeymoon on Jan 5, 2012 23:23:06 GMT -5
I think it's at just about 930k now
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Post by Minor Scratch on Jan 6, 2012 11:25:25 GMT -5
Great hold for Skrillex, and its another EP. He will def open 100K+ when his debut album gets released this year.
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Post by dgarcia3377 on Jan 6, 2012 21:10:35 GMT -5
Good sales for these albums.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2012 0:52:03 GMT -5
Skrillex May Get First Top 10 Album Next WeekFive-time Grammy Award nominee Skrillex may be on his way to his first top 10 album, as his latest release, "Bangarang," could charge into the Billboard 200 chart's top 10 next week. He just earned his best week ever on the Billboard 200 as the digital-exclusive set bowed at No. 19 last week with 24,000 sold according to Nielsen SoundScan. That marked both the electronic artist's highest charting album and biggest sales week yet. "Bangarang" is holding together rather well in its second week of sales and may jump into the top 10 next week, as evidenced by SoundScan's Building chart below. The tally is a precursor to the final Billboard 200 ranking -- reflecting the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week (ending Sunday, Jan. 8) as reported by six major merchants. On the Building chart, Skrillex can be found at No. 9. To the shock of no one, Adele's "21" is at No. 1 on the Building chart, while Drake's "Take Care" is No. 2 and the Black Keys' "El Camino" is No. 3. SafetySuit's new iTunes-exclusive "These Times" is found at No. 4 but may ultimately debut a little bit lower on the final Billboard 200 chart. Usually, iTunes-exclusive sets peak early in the week, resulting in a misleading Building Chart position. Once the weekend is over, it's likely SafetySuit will settle for a ranking somewhere in the Nos. 5-10 range. Young Jeezy's "T M:103 Hustlerz Ambition" is No. 5, Coldplay's "Mylo Xyloto" is No. 6 and LMFAO's "Sorry for Party Rocking" is No. 7. Rounding out the the Building chart's top 10 are Rihanna's "Talk That Talk," Skrillex and Florence + the Machine's "Ceremonials" at Nos. 8-10, respectively. The new Billboard 200 chart's top 10 will be revealed on the morning of Wednesday, Jan. 11. Nielsen SoundScan Building Chart Rank LW BB 200 Artist Title 1 1 Adele "21" 2 2 Drake "Take Care" 3 7 The Black Keys "El Camino" 4 NEW SafetySuit "These Times" 5 3 Young Jeezy "T M:103 Hustlerz Ambition" 6 8 Coldplay "Mylo Xyloto" 7 5 LMFAO "Sorry for Party Rocking" 8 9 Rihanna "Talk That Talk" 9 18 Skrillex "Bangarang" 10 6 Florence + the Machine "Ceremonials" The Building Chart reflects the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week (which ends Sunday) as reported by six major merchants: iTunes, Trans World Entertainment, Best Buy, Starbucks, Target and Anderson Merchandisers. Billboard estimates that they make up about 85% of all U.S. album sales. Link: www.billboard.com/news#/column/chartbeat/skrillex-may-get-first-top-10-album-next-1005815952.story
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Post by MountainMan on Jan 8, 2012 7:27:19 GMT -5
Coldplay seems to be holding up really well.
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Post by tonytaylor on Jan 8, 2012 8:00:03 GMT -5
I'm still surprised there are people thinking '21' won't go Diamond in the US. Of course it will! It may even be in 2012. One thing this album should teach you is to think of a sensible sales prediction and then double it before writing it on the internet. Don't forget Diamond cert. is based on shipments, not sales. '21' may even be at 7.5-8.0 million shipped by the end of February!
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jan 8, 2012 8:31:43 GMT -5
I'm still surprised there are people thinking '21' won't go Diamond in the US. Of course it will! It may even be in 2012. One thing this album should teach you is to think of a sensible sales prediction and then double it before writing it on the internet. Don't forget Diamond cert. is based on shipments, not sales. '21' may even be at 7.5-8.0 million shipped by the end of February! okay, but in this day and age, who cares how many albums you ship when we know the exact number you sell? It'll be a long time before she sells her 10 millionth copy.
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Post by tonytaylor on Jan 8, 2012 8:41:02 GMT -5
I'm still surprised there are people thinking '21' won't go Diamond in the US. Of course it will! It may even be in 2012. One thing this album should teach you is to think of a sensible sales prediction and then double it before writing it on the internet. Don't forget Diamond cert. is based on shipments, not sales. '21' may even be at 7.5-8.0 million shipped by the end of February! okay, but in this day and age, who cares how many albums you ship when we know the exact number you sell? It'll be a long time before she sells her 10 millionth copy. If she ships 10 million copies she gets a Diamond, just like all the others have in the past so I don't really 'get' your point. She will of course SELL 10 million at some point and that may also be in 2012 (she will very probably be at 7 million SOLD by the end of February) but that's not what the certifications are based on. It's not like XL are 'doing an Interscope' and shipping ridiculous numbers that will probably never be sold...'21' sold 144k in the post Xmas week and is predicted to sell 130k this week. Seriously, the clues are in these numbers. And who knows she may even be OK to do some actual promo this year, there's the Grammys to come, London Olympics etc etc.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 8, 2012 10:35:14 GMT -5
If an album is still selling a high amount of units weekly, then, obviously, the label will be shipping out a decent amount of units to outlets on a regular basis. 21 will be at nearly 6 million scanned, so it is possible that shipments are close to 7m by now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 10:46:38 GMT -5
Soundscan levels and RIAA certs are in general closely aligned at this point.
Whether it is 2012 or no, the Adele album will eventually slow down. At the point it stops charting, it would take a couple years or more to get the numbers that it is due this week. In other words, it could take one year or more to get 100K scanned.
Whether it reaches 10M scanned or not, it may never "go diamond", although labels are pretty good at keeping certs current for newer albums, they are less so for older albums.
So lets say it stops charting in 2 years at 9 million, it could take another 5-10 years to get that extra million, at that point the label may not care about it "going diamond"
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Post by tonytaylor on Jan 8, 2012 11:02:03 GMT -5
She'll do it in 2012, though, so there's no need to worry about it not charting and its sales stalling. '21' will be in the Top 5 best selling albums of this year in the US, I'm sure. With her enforced absence from personal promo in 2011 she's still a relatively 'fresh' site - the public haven't got sick of her like some of those that would attend the opening of an envelope if it got them press. plus there are promo opportunities galore if she chooses to take them - simply because she couldn't do them last year.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jan 8, 2012 11:03:24 GMT -5
Yes, as hard as it may be to believe right now, 21 will slow down. I think the album should get to 8 million shipped, at least, by the time it drops off the chart.
And it is true about RIAA/SoundScan being closer nowadays than in the past, but, as said, Adele's album is still selling pretty decent amounts, so it should be seeing greater shipment levels than most current albums out there.
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Post by tonytaylor on Jan 8, 2012 11:07:09 GMT -5
If an album is still selling a high amount of units weekly, then, obviously, the label will be shipping out a decent amount of units to outlets on a regular basis. 21 will be at nearly 6 million scanned, so it is possible that shipments are close to 7m by now. Agreed. That was my point - unlike some labels, XL/Columbia are justified in shipping many extra copies at the moment due to the amount '21' is selling weekly (January sales in the US will be probably be 500k+!). And the retailers are not going to get themselves in a position where they have no stock when The Grammys are on. And if she sweeps, watch out for even bigger sales! Plus there's another factor people are forgetting - this album hasn't been discounted to any significant level yet due to not needing it. But it will eventually be discounted, leading to more 'impulse' sales.
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Post by Keelzit on Jan 8, 2012 11:39:21 GMT -5
Given 21 sold 5.5 during its debut year with 2 monster hits and another hit exploding during the Xmas period + minor promotion, it's a little too ambitious to predict those other 4.5 million copies will be sold in 2012 especially if SFTTR ends up being the last single as reported. Even with the Grammys expose and the album being able to sell well even without a current radio single I think it's not doable, at least for this year. Now all that changes if they decide to release 2 more singles and do some high-profile promotion during 2012's awards season (given that there's a single to promote in that point). Fingers crossed that they won't stop promoting it to radio right after SFTTR peaks. I honestly believe that radio is all she needs to sell diamond. TV promotion is insignificant for her selling power imo.
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Post by Living Legend on Jan 8, 2012 17:06:32 GMT -5
I may be wrong but I believe the certifications are based on physical copies sent to retail stores. '21' is looking to pass the 6 million mark this week but 1.9 million of that are digital albums, which means it's physical sales will be 4.1 million. Even if the album was able to sell 10 million copies+ at least 2.5 million of that will be digital. I can't see it being certified Diamond unless it sells 12 million+. A 8X Platinum certification I think will be more realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 17:23:22 GMT -5
Diamond this year is definitely wishful thinking
It would need to be, far and away the #1 album of 2012 (there isn't going to be more than 1 album above 3 million)
Stranger things have happened but this isn't likely for a second year album
Also:
1 digital copy purchased = 1 digital copy shipped
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Post by tonytaylor on Jan 8, 2012 17:26:09 GMT -5
Surely Diamond is 10x platinum?? Well, at least it's all written down and archived for us all to visit in the future. I'll be more than happy to admit if I'm wrong. But I won't be, lol. This effectively needs another 3-3.5 million units shipped between now and the end of the year. This album just doesn't sell like any other album of today, it's a throwback to 2000 and before so therefore judging it within the constraints of what other albums are selling/may sell this year is a mistake imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 17:28:42 GMT -5
I agree with you - Diamond is 10x platinum
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 17:32:40 GMT -5
I did not say it would not eventually reach 10 million. To do that this year would require an additional 4.2 million. This would make it #1 for a second striaght year by a great distance.
Difficult to believe that nothing else this year will be released that is big enough to draw attention away from an album already 1 year old.
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Post by tonytaylor on Jan 8, 2012 17:33:31 GMT -5
I did not say it would not eventually reach 10 million. To do that this year would require an additional 4.2 million. This would make it #1 for a second striaght year by a great distance. Difficult to believe that nothing else this year will be released that is big enough to draw attention away from an album already 1 year old. No it wouldn't. that's based on actual sales to end users whereas certs deal in shipments. It wouldn't surprise me if '21' had shipped 6.5 million as of now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 17:34:51 GMT -5
I also might be wrong. Albums have dominated the market in this fashion, 2 years in a row in the past
(Thriller would be the last to do it)
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jan 8, 2012 17:40:00 GMT -5
Adele will eventually sell enough for diamond. However, I agree with 2m that this may happen 5-10 years from now and her label choose to just never certify her. It won't matter in a decade whether she has the formal certification or not. I am curious to see how much she sells in 2012. She surprises me at every turn and I think posting 100K+ weeks during January is pretty epic. I also think the Grammy Awards will be nice to her. I am also hoping they do NOT cut this album short with SFTTR. I would really enjoy a few key performances through the next year and at least one more single. The album has earned that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 17:42:18 GMT -5
I did not say it would not eventually reach 10 million. To do that this year would require an additional 4.2 million. This would make it #1 for a second striaght year by a great distance. Difficult to believe that nothing else this year will be released that is big enough to draw attention away from an album already 1 year old. No it wouldn't. that's based on actual sales to end users whereas certs deal in shipments. It wouldn't surprise me if '21' had shipped 6.5 million as of now. A 10x cert is not going to happen until sales are at 10 million (or close) It has a 5x cert now, this occured on Dec 2 at that time cumulative sales of 21 stood at 4.8 million
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Post by tonytaylor on Jan 8, 2012 17:48:27 GMT -5
Adele will eventually sell enough for diamond. However, I agree with 2m that this may happen 5-10 years from now and her label choose to just never certify her. It won't matter in a decade whether she has the formal certification or not. I am curious to see how much she sells in 2012. She surprises me at every turn and I think posting 100K+ weeks during January is pretty epic. I also think the Grammy Awards will be nice to her. I am also hoping they do NOT cut this album short with SFTTR. I would really enjoy a few key performances through the next year and at least one more single. The album has earned that. Can't vouch for Columbia but XL are mad keen for certifying her sales in the UK. No fear, as soon as they have shipped 10 million in the US, that certification request will be in the post very quickly. 5-10 years?? You do know that her 3.5 year old debut sold 857k in the US this year, don't you? There have been some who predicted her sales would fall off a cliff after Xmas (we'll forget about the ones who variously predicted her era was over just as soon as Britney/Beyonce/Gaga/Coldplay et al released their new albums, lol). You summed it up perfectly yourself
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 17:56:06 GMT -5
857K for an album in its 3rd year is good. Obviously interest in that album was due to interest in '21'
'21' will certainly have another good year. I think the bar is set a bit high though in this thread
Will it hit 10 million? Yes Will it do it by 12/31/12? Absolutely not Will '19' have another good year? Of course, it should be top 10 this week, but it won't sustain diamond levels ether
'21' is 4 million or so away from 10 million. It was the only album in 6 years to hit 4 million in a year, I don't see the same album doing it again.
Could I be wrong? Of course
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Post by Push The Button on Jan 8, 2012 20:29:41 GMT -5
Didn't we have this same discussion when people thought that Fearless could go Diamond? Lord.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 20:38:07 GMT -5
Fearless may still go Diamond, it just isn't going to do it quickly
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Post by Envoirment on Jan 8, 2012 20:43:06 GMT -5
Also, isn't "21" going to pass "Fearless" quite comfortably? I wouldn't be surprised if Adele went diamond, she's pretty much been surpassing all expectations the whole era.
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