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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 13:37:10 GMT -5
I'm surprised "Fireball" isn't moving faster. I kinda thought Pitbull was the third biggest name in pop right now, after Katy and Maroon 5. In wich world is Pitbull the third biggest name on pop? Well certainly not in Charismatic's, because it's first by far there
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 21, 2014 14:07:49 GMT -5
In wich world is Pitbull the third biggest name on pop? Well certainly not in Charismatic's, because it's first by far there Oh, i miss her and her radom and monothematic comments. Anyway, Pitbull is a very successful artist, but he has a good bunch of flops so it's not that surprising when one of his songs doesn skyrocketed to the top
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 21, 2014 14:10:51 GMT -5
Could "Shake It Off' possibly get a top 10 debut? Has that ever happened before? I doubt it. It'll have a great first week, but as today shows, it's not going to get those +2000s everyday. And as for top ten debuts, no song has ever done that on its first published Sunday chart, but Lady Gaga's "Born This Way" made it all the way to #6 in its first seven days of release, that just happened to fall in the middle of the week, though. What's second place? We have had songs debut Top 20 in time for the first official update (Sunday evening). Does Eminem still have the official record or has that long been broken? Born This Way may remain unofficial but #6 in 7 days is something I wonder if we'll ever see again. Surely it'll happen again at some point...
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 21, 2014 14:47:47 GMT -5
It's curious that a song that reached 6 in seven days had such struggle to finally reach number one
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 21, 2014 14:53:16 GMT -5
It's curious that a song that reached 6 in seven days had such struggle to finally reach number one Why?
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 21, 2014 15:07:33 GMT -5
It's curious that a song that reached 6 in seven days had such struggle to finally reach number one Why? well, if you make your song top 10 in less than a week, it's not expected to have such difficult run to the top. Born this way was this close to miss number one on CHR
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 21, 2014 15:08:51 GMT -5
well, if you make your song top 10 in less than a week, it's not expected to have such difficult run to the top. Born this way was this close to miss number one on CHR If you make top 10 in less than a week, you make top 10 in less than a week. It has no bearing on what the next week(s) bring.
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Post by Libra on Aug 21, 2014 15:10:16 GMT -5
Does Eminem still have the official record or has that long been broken? I believe he still does, though I do think it's worth considering whether Taylor might set a new record for highest Top 50 debut. The distinction matters, as Em's Top 40 debut record is that alone since "Just Lose It" jumped 41-13 to do it. Also: The original Top 40 debut record (prior to Eminem), Jon Secada's "If You Go" at #15 in 1994, is also that alone; the chart didn't start going down to 50 until the following year. Not having a prior week on the chart before that #15 mark, however, makes consideration of a Top 50 debut record tricky. In any case, I'd say without any more surprise +2000 days or something like that, the best "Shake it Off" might hope for is #15, and oddly enough, that's if she passes "Bang Bang".
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 21, 2014 15:15:10 GMT -5
well, if you make your song top 10 in less than a week, it's not expected to have such difficult run to the top. Born this way was this close to miss number one on CHR If you make top 10 in less than a week, you make top 10 in less than a week. It has no bearing on what the next week(s) bring. We are talking about airplay, generally when radio push a song hard there's no way to stop it. It was Gaga after her massive first album, it was six week number one at billboard, maybe that struggle didn't surpise you, but i think i'm not the only one who thought she would get an easier path to number one
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 15:18:46 GMT -5
I thought "Dreamlover" by Mariah Carey was the highest official debut at #12?
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Aug 21, 2014 15:19:49 GMT -5
I thought "Dreamlover" by Mariah Carey was the highest official debut at #12? It is. No way Taylor's getting past that IMO
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 15:21:56 GMT -5
Then why is everyone saying that Eminem holds the record?
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Aug 21, 2014 15:22:59 GMT -5
Then why is everyone saying that Eminem holds the record? IDK
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Post by Libra on Aug 21, 2014 16:28:50 GMT -5
Because that's a Billboard record that you're trumpeting. :)
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Post by Cerebro on Aug 21, 2014 16:32:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 16:32:40 GMT -5
Ah, ok! Where did "Dreamlover" debut on Mediabase? And I assume by Billboard "Just Lose It" was slightly higher than 41 that week (since it isn't in the Wikipedia page's list of highest debuts)?
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Aug 21, 2014 16:33:30 GMT -5
Ah, ok! Where did "Dreamlover" debut on Mediabase? And I assume by Billboard "Just Lose It" was slightly higher than 41 that week (since it isn't in the Wikipedia page's list of highest debuts)? #38, read the post above you
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 21, 2014 16:37:15 GMT -5
If you make top 10 in less than a week, you make top 10 in less than a week. It has no bearing on what the next week(s) bring. We are talking about airplay, generally when radio push a song hard there's no way to stop it. It was Gaga after her massive first album, it was six week number one at billboard, maybe that struggle didn't surpise you, but i think i'm not the only one who thought she would get an easier path to number one I know. I'm being difficult on purpose and I apologize. It did surprise me a bit that it struggled to reach #1 but then when we look back, songs with super high debits typically struggle to peak really high. Hype singles peak quickly and often not on top.
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Post by Libra on Aug 21, 2014 16:45:38 GMT -5
And I assume by Billboard "Just Lose It" was slightly higher than 41 that week (since it isn't in the Wikipedia page's list of highest debuts)? Correct. It debuted at #33 and leaped to #10 the following week. That may or may not be a record for biggest single-week jump for Billboard's Pop Songs chart (I'm not sure if it is or not).
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Post by nick64 on Aug 21, 2014 16:46:46 GMT -5
"Suit & Tie" debuted at #15 I think. And "WANEGBT" started in the Top 20 as well I believe.
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Post by Libra on Aug 21, 2014 16:49:40 GMT -5
"Suit & Tie" debuted at #15 I think. And "WANEGBT" started in the Top 20 as well I believe. Taylor, no. Debuted at #20. JT? Give me a moment to check (for some reason, Suit & Tie's chart run page isn't working!). EDIT: Yes. So he'd be the one to beat.
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Post by nick64 on Aug 21, 2014 16:50:40 GMT -5
"Suit & Tie" debuted at #15 I think. And "WANEGBT" started in the Top 20 as well I believe. Taylor, no. Debuted at #20. JT? Give me a moment to check (for some reason, Suit & Tie's chart run page isn't working!). Well #20 is still Top 20 ;)
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Post by Libra on Aug 21, 2014 16:54:12 GMT -5
Taylor, no. Debuted at #20. JT? Give me a moment to check (for some reason, Suit & Tie's chart run page isn't working!). Well #20 is still Top 20 ;) True, so she's already beaten her own previous high now. The "no" was in answer to the debut record question.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 21, 2014 17:07:08 GMT -5
It's curious that a song that reached 6 in seven days had such struggle to finally reach number one Not really. Not when you stand back and look at the big picture. "Born This Way" had HUGE initial hype. The number six spot in seven days confirms that. The song itself, though, came with generally mixed reviews and its callout scores weren't significantly better than the other songs surrounding it at the time. The songs that went to number one around that same time: "Tonight (I'm Lovin' You)," "Perfect," "Forget You," and "S&M" all were getting just as much love from the pop listeners as "Born This Way," so it was a cluttered mess near the top. Oddly enough, though, all of them got some time to shine at number one. Nothing in that time period from mid-March 2011 through mid-May 2011 got blocked from the top spot*. Not until "Just Can't Get Enough" got blocked during "E.T."'s run. *By "blocked," I mean peaked at number two. Edit: Wow! It was even crazier than I thought! Looking back, the only song to peak in the top five during that time period was... *"Hold It Against Me" #3 - "Tonight"'s first week at #1. 2, 4, and 5 were either previous or future #1s. *Two weeks after that, the entire top 5 were previous/future number ones, and this lasted for FIVE WEEKS until "E.T."'s first week at number one when Ke$ha's "Blow" entered the top five at #4. The week after that, "Just Can't Get Enough" entered the top five with "Blow." 2 and 5 were still future/previous number ones. Finally, the week after that, the non-number ones outweighed the future/previous number ones when "Till the World Ends" entered the top five with "Blow" and "Just Can't Get Enough."
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Post by Mr. Thonk Eyes on Aug 21, 2014 17:40:08 GMT -5
Au$tin Sorry to change the subject but where is your published update?
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 21, 2014 17:42:00 GMT -5
Au$tin Sorry to change the subject but where is your published update? I have been extremely busy this week, and I greatly apologize for not having it posted. I moved back into college on Saturday and Sunday evening was the start of marching band camp, which has been everyday from 9am-9pm with not a whole of breaks in between.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Aug 22, 2014 7:10:27 GMT -5
As per the earlier discussion, Taylor getting to #16 after less than just three and a half days of airplay is pretty incredible. She still has Friday's, Saturday and most of Sunday to grab more airplay numbers for the final update.
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Post by josh on Aug 22, 2014 11:46:42 GMT -5
As per the earlier discussion, Taylor getting to #16 after less than just three and a half days of airplay is pretty incredible. She still has Friday's, Saturday and most of Sunday to grab more airplay numbers for the final update. sunday airplay counts towards next week
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