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Post by slayZ on Jul 22, 2012 14:43:17 GMT -5
That still makes absolutely no sense. So they don't "know" enough people in Pop radio here in America to push her singles but they know people from radio stations all over the world...? She is being promoted as a Country artist internationally and not pop artist. So her music is being pushed to Country radio stations overseas. Except she promoted her album and single at BBC Radio 1 in the UK, which is the equivalent of Z100 in the United Kingdom. Perhaps in Australia. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 14:57:33 GMT -5
I was just rewatching her entire Idol audition, and I can't help but laugh at how typically Country she was, specifically starting at the 5:41 mark.
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Post by musicjunky318 on Jul 22, 2012 15:57:25 GMT -5
To wake up one day and find - that I let all these years go by - WAAAASTED.
Ugh I fucking love this song. Have it on repeat.
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Post by dmprof1 on Jul 22, 2012 18:32:27 GMT -5
She is being promoted as a Country artist internationally and not pop artist. So her music is being pushed to Country radio stations overseas. Except she promoted her album and single at BBC Radio 1 in the UK, which is the equivalent of Z100 in the United Kingdom. Perhaps in Australia. What, exactly, are you trying to prove? We get it, you think domestic and international pop markets passed over her.  |
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Post by CarrieUfan on Jul 22, 2012 19:03:14 GMT -5
Some videos from the Royal Albert Hall - I know there have been posted videos of it already, but these are pretty much perfect in quality. Her voice <3
Jesus, Take the Wheel/How Great Thou Art
I Know You Won't
Fix You
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Post by slayZ on Jul 22, 2012 19:51:59 GMT -5
Except she promoted her album and single at BBC Radio 1 in the UK, which is the equivalent of Z100 in the United Kingdom. Perhaps in Australia. What, exactly, are you trying to prove? We get it, you think domestic and international pop markets passed over her. Uh don't put words in my mouth or try to twist what I said. The only point I was trying to "prove" is that if Arista WANTED her songs to be played on Pop radio here in America, they would. The whole "they have no connections" thing is bs. Carrie, and her label respectively, just don't seem to want it. |
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Post by adwem on Jul 22, 2012 20:40:31 GMT -5
Carrie has stated that she will not send her songs to pop radio or even remix her songs. Her heart is in country music. For her UK promotion and interviews, she has connections with being under XIX with Simon Fuller.
As for as the connections go with the label. When BHC crossed over to pop, it was Arista New York that set the adds date after it had already crossed over and did the promo. She cut them out of her contract when she redid it. So, yes if she wanted to promote herself to pop radio, she would have to sign a contract with a secondary division to Arista to promote her which she doesn't want to do.
When country artist send their songs to pop radio, they are promoted by a different company than their record label, aka TS uses Universal to do her Pop and international promotion and not Big Machine Records
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Post by desertfloods on Jul 22, 2012 22:50:00 GMT -5
She is being promoted as a Country artist internationally and not pop artist. So her music is being pushed to Country radio stations overseas. Except she promoted her album and single at BBC Radio 1 in the UK, which is the equivalent of Z100 in the United Kingdom. Perhaps in Australia. Carrie did interview on Z100 as well. But an interview alone is not enough to be considered an active "push" to pop radio. |
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Post by slayZ on Jul 22, 2012 23:00:44 GMT -5
Except she promoted her album and single at BBC Radio 1 in the UK, which is the equivalent of Z100 in the United Kingdom. Perhaps in Australia. Carrie did interview on Z100 as well. But an interview alone is not enough to be considered an active "push" to pop radio. I really love your username. :'( |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 23:39:23 GMT -5
The one thing about Carrie I don't understand is why she doesn't seem to want to take advantage of her crossover appeal. It's not like she's Miranda Lambert or Gretchen Wilson. She isn't traditional country anyway, and fans of all genres seem to like her. It doesn't make sense. I can understand not wanting to remix your work, but taking songs like "Good Girl" that have plenty of appeal to a variety of fans and promoting them outside of country would be a huge benefit to her. But I respect her decision as an artist, and I'll always have access to her music whether it's on my pop stations or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 0:16:00 GMT -5
In case it was relevant to anyone/anyone cared at all (which I highly doubt anyone did/does because, well, it's a Teen Choice Award), Carrie lost her Teen Choice Award nomination to Taylor Swift.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jul 23, 2012 6:49:48 GMT -5
When will The BLOWN AWAY video premier?? anyone?
I read from Wikipedia (i know it's not reliable) that BA video will debut 27 july. Is that right?
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Post by CarrieUfan on Jul 23, 2012 6:57:29 GMT -5
When will The BLOWN AWAY video premier?? anyone? I read from Wikipedia (i know it's not reliable) that BA video will debut 27 july. Is that right? The premiere for the video is Saturday July 28, but that is for that radio station that won the contest. There's no specific date for when it's on youtube/CMT. |
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jul 23, 2012 7:38:07 GMT -5
When will The BLOWN AWAY video premier?? anyone? I read from Wikipedia (i know it's not reliable) that BA video will debut 27 july. Is that right? The premiere for the video is Saturday July 28, but that is for that radio station that won the contest. There's no specific date for when it's on youtube/CMT. Did Carrie say SOON? if yes, that means we can see the video NEXT YEAR !! hoo ray! |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 23, 2012 7:45:46 GMT -5
The one thing about Carrie I don't understand is why she doesn't seem to want to take advantage of her crossover appeal. It's not like she's Miranda Lambert or Gretchen Wilson. She isn't traditional country anyway, and fans of all genres seem to like her. It doesn't make sense. I can understand not wanting to remix your work, but taking songs like "Good Girl" that have plenty of appeal to a variety of fans and promoting them outside of country would be a huge benefit to her. But I respect her decision as an artist, and I'll always have access to her music whether it's on my pop stations or not. Agreed. I get not remixing songs and thus "chasing" crossover success, but why not send songs to radio? Plenty of country artists do it and still maintain their country audience. It's puzzling. |
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Post by jptexas on Jul 23, 2012 8:08:26 GMT -5
IMO, she's stretching the country "envelope" by releasing Blown Away.
By not releasing hers songs to pop tells the country music community,
hey, I'm one of you and I'm not going anywhere. This might give her more
creative license with her music. She might have had this stategy since
the beginning. But, that's just my theory.
I agree, with her overall genre appeal, I find it strange that she doesn't
take advantage of this. But, maybe I'm on to something with my first
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Post by layne on Jul 23, 2012 11:34:16 GMT -5
IMO, she's stretching the country "envelope" by releasing Blown Away. By not releasing hers songs to pop tells the country music community, hey, I'm one of you and I'm not going anywhere. This might give her more creative license with her music. She might have had this stategy since the beginning. But, that's just my theory. I agree, with her overall genre appeal, I find it strange that she doesn't take advantage of this. But, maybe I'm on to something with my first paragraph. I think she's getting bad management advice from someone. I also don't think BA is stretching the Country Envelope. It seems less than a stretch than Undo it and GG to me. Being a Cross-Genre Artist seems to have been a good move for Taylor Swift, Lady A and for the right song even The Band Perry, Jason Aldean/Kelly Clarkson. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2012 12:06:00 GMT -5
Some of us need to get hired into her management services, I swear.
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Post by cufan7 on Jul 23, 2012 18:14:49 GMT -5
Some of us need to get hired into her management services, I swear. I agree with all of what you guys are saying but at the same time what we all have to remember is this: It might just be Carrie who doesn't want it. I'm sure her management knows how much of a crossover artist Carrie could really be, and I'm sure they have brought that to her attention. I truthfully just think she doesn't want it. You look at pictures of her that paparazzi take when she's on her honeymoon or at the lake in Canada, as well as many other places, and Carrie just does not look happy that people are publicizing her personal life. Of course it comes with fame, but being a country artist living in the suburbs of Nashville, it is much less of that than if she were to be an even higher profile crossover star who has to do more work in LA and NYC. I believe Carrie and her management know what the next level of fame could be for her, and I'm sure it has been discussed, but at the end of the day it is Carrie's call, not her management. And I can pretty confidently assume that Carrie is comfortable with her current level of fame and still in many ways, uncomfortable with it. I think she has come very far since idol, but the bottom line is a private person is a private person, and she might not be willing to give up the privacy she has now for that extra bit of attainable fame. |
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Post by neally on Jul 23, 2012 20:06:43 GMT -5
The iTunes USA performance of the new single is absolutely impressive: already up to #58 for all genres with only ~ 13.5 million AI and the video yet to be released. This song will be HUGE !
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Post by layne on Jul 23, 2012 20:37:19 GMT -5
Some of us need to get hired into her management services, I swear. I agree with all of what you guys are saying but at the same time what we all have to remember is this: It might just be Carrie who doesn't want it. I'm sure her management knows how much of a crossover artist Carrie could really be, and I'm sure they have brought that to her attention. I truthfully just think she doesn't want it. You look at pictures of her that paparazzi take when she's on her honeymoon or at the lake in Canada, as well as many other places, and Carrie just does not look happy that people are publicizing her personal life. Of course it comes with fame, but being a country artist living in the suburbs of Nashville, it is much less of that than if she were to be an even higher profile crossover star who has to do more work in LA and NYC. I believe Carrie and her management know what the next level of fame could be for her, and I'm sure it has been discussed, but at the end of the day it is Carrie's call, not her management. And I can pretty confidently assume that Carrie is comfortable with her current level of fame and still in many ways, uncomfortable with it. I think she has come very far since idol, but the bottom line is a private person is a private person, and she might not be willing to give up the privacy she has now for that extra bit of attainable fame. Do you beleive having a song sent and promoted to other Genre's would require Carrie doing anything different and require her giving up any of her privacy? I can't see that it made The Band Perry or Lady Antebellum any differnt in the eyes of the Country Genre but It did allow their crossover hits to reach full potential and achieve multi-platinum sales. |
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Post by cufan7 on Jul 23, 2012 23:10:24 GMT -5
I agree with all of what you guys are saying but at the same time what we all have to remember is this: It might just be Carrie who doesn't want it. I'm sure her management knows how much of a crossover artist Carrie could really be, and I'm sure they have brought that to her attention. I truthfully just think she doesn't want it. You look at pictures of her that paparazzi take when she's on her honeymoon or at the lake in Canada, as well as many other places, and Carrie just does not look happy that people are publicizing her personal life. Of course it comes with fame, but being a country artist living in the suburbs of Nashville, it is much less of that than if she were to be an even higher profile crossover star who has to do more work in LA and NYC. I believe Carrie and her management know what the next level of fame could be for her, and I'm sure it has been discussed, but at the end of the day it is Carrie's call, not her management. And I can pretty confidently assume that Carrie is comfortable with her current level of fame and still in many ways, uncomfortable with it. I think she has come very far since idol, but the bottom line is a private person is a private person, and she might not be willing to give up the privacy she has now for that extra bit of attainable fame. Do you beleive having a song sent and promoted to other Genre's would require Carrie doing anything different and require her giving up any of her privacy? I can't see that it made The Band Perry or Lady Antebellum any differnt in the eyes of the Country Genre but It did allow their crossover hits to reach full potential and achieve multi-platinum sales. Well, yes and no. But mostly yes. No simply because just one song probably wouldn't but definitely could have that effect, but more so for a newer artist. I highly doubt Lady Antebellum were really well known to the average American who did not often listen to Country music until "Need You Now" crossed over. Once it did, they became more of a household name. As more people know about an artist, the more demand there is for that artist to be photographed, talked about, etc. Carrie obviously already has attained this level of fame, so a hit crossover song would probably have less of an effect on Carrie as it would a newer artist with their breakout crossover hit. But (this is the yes part), If Carrie's team were to promote to other genres, say Carrie has a huge crossover hit (like BHC), more people hear her music, more people want to know about her, more people search her, and immediately there is a higher demand for everything Carrie Underwood. This means more people wanting to photograph her, get dirt on her, the whole shebang. My point is, is that 1 song will make her "fame" star rise, and with that comes less privacy. So imagine a second third high crossover hit to follow BHC and "_________", and then a third and a fourth until Carrie is a regular on Pop radio, as well as Country. That's a huge difference in audience size. (I'm not saying that it is likely Carrie would amount to this success on Pop radio if her music was promoted there, just trying to make a point) So ultimately it isn't about the promotion being time-consuming for Carrie or how the country genre will react to her music being promoted outside of country music, OR that she and her team couldn't do it, it's about her being comfortable with the size of the audience (country music) that Carrie's music is promoted to. |
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Post by layne on Jul 23, 2012 23:33:17 GMT -5
^See I feel like that she is the Huge Star that she is today, not because of AI but because of the huge success she had with BHC and the fact that it crossed over. I don't care if her music is promoted in other Genre's or not but it seems strange that she wants to sing Rock, Pop, type songs but the masses of people that listen to that never get to hear her songs on radio.
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Post by strikeleo on Jul 23, 2012 23:57:50 GMT -5
^See I feel like that she is the Huge Star that she is today, not because of AI but because of the huge success she had with BHC and the fact that it crossed over. I don't care if her music is promoted in other Genre's or not but it seems strange that she wants to sing Rock, Pop, type songs but the masses of people that listen to that never get to hear her songs on radio. This is exactly how I feel about this issue. I mean, say she was more traditional like Miranda, then I'd totally get why she wouldn't want to send a song to POP. However, when your songs starts to get less and less country and more and more POP, it's time to reevaluate which market you're aiming for. This is exactly where Carrie stands to me. Her record is full of pop gems and country fillers, that seem to be there just to make it more country. I have no issue with people stretching the concept of what is country, but at least don't pretend to be above something when your cd is filled with that sound. The only difference I see between Swift's and Carrie's material (concerning its sound - not its lyrics), is that Swift is more upfront about how she doesn't like to be labeled as country, whereas Carrie tries to pretend she is staying true to country. In the end, she's only losing by doing so, because I doubt her fanbase would vanish if she set a pop adds date for one of her songs. |
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Post by desertfloods on Jul 24, 2012 2:38:22 GMT -5
^See I feel like that she is the Huge Star that she is today, not because of AI but because of the huge success she had with BHC and the fact that it crossed over. I don't care if her music is promoted in other Genre's or not but it seems strange that she wants to sing Rock, Pop, type songs but the masses of people that listen to that never get to hear her songs on radio. This is exactly how I feel about this issue. I mean, say she was more traditional like Miranda, then I'd totally get why she wouldn't want to send a song to POP. However, when your songs starts to get less and less country and more and more POP, it's time to reevaluate which market you're aiming for. This is exactly where Carrie stands to me. Her record is full of pop gems and country fillers, that seem to be there just to make it more country. I have no issue with people stretching the concept of what is country, but at least don't pretend to be above something when your cd is filled with that sound. The only difference I see between Swift's and Carrie's material (concerning its sound - not its lyrics), is that Swift is more upfront about how she doesn't like to be labeled as country, whereas Carrie tries to pretend she is staying true to country. In the end, she's only losing by doing so, because I doubt her fanbase would vanish if she set a pop adds date for one of her songs. I think the issue of remixing also plays a big part. Carrie continues to refuse to remix her songs for other genres, which will make it even harder for it to cross over to other formats (post BHC era). I think her stance against remixing has more to do with not wanting many versions of a song, rather than not wanting to be associated with pop. That girl is a human jukebox, I highly doubt she has problem with genres of music outside of country music. Is that stubbornness or old-fashioned thinking on her part? Maybe. But at the end of the day, it really is up to her how much success and fame she wants to chase. The fact that it took her 4 albums to finally take that step to break into international market, compared to Taylor, it just shows how different their approaches are. Different personalities and aims. Whatever floats their boat. |
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jul 24, 2012 8:02:14 GMT -5
According to Carriefans.com ( Thanks to EPICAMENDS ) , The video will be available on youtube JULY 31 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by 43dudleyvillas on Jul 24, 2012 8:48:13 GMT -5
Do you beleive having a song sent and promoted to other Genre's would require Carrie doing anything different and require her giving up any of her privacy? I can't see that it made The Band Perry or Lady Antebellum any differnt in the eyes of the Country Genre but It did allow their crossover hits to reach full potential and achieve multi-platinum sales. I think you underestimate the shadow that the BHC remix fight left. It seems to me that Carrie decided that control over how her music is marketed (and being able to place marketing responsibility in the hands of people she can trust) was and is more important to her than reaching the masses on a repetitive basis. As a result of that choice, perhaps she is leaving a couple of million download sales on the table, and perhaps 10% of her album sales. I don't think it's more than that, because we live in a time when more and more people are choosing Pandora/Spotify and other non-terrestrial radio options, and when terrestrial radio has proven to be a follower rather than a leader when it comes to new music discovery. Carrie gets plenty of TV and internet exposure of her music, as well. Terrestrial radio does provide the repetition element that spawns sales among passive music listeners. But those aren't people who are likely to stick with the artist in large quantity unless the artist commits to the radio format to which they listen. In any event, I don't think "Undo It" or "Good Girl" would have had "If I Die Young" or "Need You Now"-like life (and I say this as someone who would much rather listen to "Good Girl" than "Need You Now"). "Just a Kiss"-like life? Probably. But is that kind of performance enough to warrant an ongoing deal with a pop label that puts marketing control in its hands, cuts into royalties and generates more expenses that get recouped from the artist? I can see why an artist would think it wasn't, especially in this day and age, with all the alternate avenues for music exposure out there. I think it is clear that Carrie's management has from the beginning wanted to cross her over and market her worldwide in a more consistent fashion but that Carrie has been the one applying the brakes so as to establish herself as a recording/touring artist and an overall presence in her home genre and primary market. Now that she has established herself, I think she is content with the level of success she has. You could call it a lack of commercial ambition, I suppose, a lack of desire to be the #1 most biggest fantastic everything. It's the same thing that resulted in her deciding not to start her Blown Away tour in the summer so that she could instead spend the summer with her husband. That's the kind of decision that affects awards cycles and even touring numbers (summer touring numbers would be bigger). But it's obvious that Carrie is willing to leave some of that on the table in favor of other considerations. Having said all that, I still don't believe that her decision-making will hold things back if she has a truly explosive hit on her hands. Since the pop formats at terrestrial radio are followers rather than leaders these days, there will be prior indicators if a song like "Blown Away" is really going to explode. For instance, if you see "Blown Away" in the top-10 all-genre at iTunes before it hits top-10 at country radio, that will be a sign. If Carrie is sitting on a song that is going to create its own demand, I think you will find that terrestrial pop radio will start catching on without Carrie/Arista Nashville having to do much of anything. And if those indications of demand are there then Carrie and her people can sit down and arrange a promo deal for a song on their own terms (and that part will be key) if they think it's worth it. |
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Post by layne on Jul 24, 2012 9:52:51 GMT -5
^I think I would call it just being CONTENT. I have no problem with that because I'm a Country Music Fan and I'm going to listen to Country Radio and hear her songs. However, performing and recording duets with Steven Tyler and releasing songs with heavy Rock and Pop leaning sound tell me that she does not want to be Boxed into just the Country Genre.
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Post by Taylor. on Jul 24, 2012 10:07:28 GMT -5
Carrie Underwood and Josh Groban topline Teachers Rock, an hourlong music special, which will broadcast from Nokia Theatre L.A. LIVE on Saturday, Aug. 18 on CBS. It will be taped on Aug. 14. Performing alongside Underwood and Groban will be country artist Dierks Bentley and pop group Fun. Teachers Rock, which honors America’s educators, will feature personal recollections from musicians Dave Grohl, Usher, Adam Levine and James Valentine and by actors including Meryl Streep, LL Cool J, Viola Davis, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Pauley Perrette, Jennifer Garner, Jack Black, Morgan Freeman, Matthew Morrison and Miranda Cosgrove, among others. www.deadline.com/2012/07/cbs-to-do-music-special-for-teachers/ |
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Jul 24, 2012 10:12:39 GMT -5
^I think I would call it just being CONTENT. I have no problem with that because I'm a Country Music Fan and I'm going to listen to Country Radio and hear her songs. However, performing and recording duets with Steven Tyler and releasing songs with heavy Rock and Pop leaning sound tell me that she does not want to be Boxed into just the Country Genre. There are a lot forms of Country Music. And what Carrie does is called Country/Pop-Rock. It's got this Pop/Rock blend in the songs but it's still country music . Carrie herself has stated that her music is a different country, but the basic is still country. And about the duet thing, recording a song with Steven Tyler doesn't mean that she's not country. All the singer in every genre can duet with anyone outside their basis. Plus, all the duets that they have done are in a country world. 1. The ACM performance that they did was a country song. UNDO IT. 2. That CMT's CROSSROAD was also in country music channel. The reason why half of the show was not in country music because the show is called CROSSROAD, that means half country (Carrie) and half non-country (Steven Tyler). 3. and we haven't heard the song they recorded for Aerosmith album yet. It could be Country/Rock. |
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