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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 2, 2020 2:16:38 GMT -5
Its a nice list, but I would like to see one of the 80's even more. 70's and 60's if they exist would also be cool to view since I expect a lot of Stones and Beatles with an even stronger desire to see some Zeppelin on the list
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Sept 5, 2020 1:55:51 GMT -5
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Post by American Idiot on Sept 7, 2020 15:37:01 GMT -5
Apologies for the lateness on this. We saw new albums last Friday from Declan McKenna, Throwing Muses, and more.
Please comment below if there is anything else that I might have forgotten.
September 4th 2020 Rock-Related New Album Releases
- All Them Witches - "Nothing as the Ideal" (Psychedelic Rock, Stoner Rock, Blues Rock)
(similar to Radio Moscow, Black Mountain, Graveyard, etc) - Barely Civil - "I’ll Figure This Out" (Indie Rock, Emo)
(similar to Mover Shaker, Warm Thoughts, Insignificant Other, etc) - Bill Callahan - "Gold Record" (Americana, Singer/Songwriter, Contemporary Folk)
(similar to Wilco, M. Ward, Sun Kil Moon, etc) - Corey Flood - "Hanging Garden" (debut full-length) (Americana, Singer/Songwriter, Contemporary Folk)
(similar to Porridge Radio, Bambara, Dry Cleaning, etc) - Declan McKenna - "Zeros" (Indie Rock, Glam Rock, Neo-Psychedelia, Space Rock, Pop Rock)
(similar to Foster The People, Lorde, Cage The Elephant, etc) - Elysian Fields - "Transience Of Life" (Dream Pop, Art Rock, Slowcore)
(similar to Cat Power, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, PJ Harvey, etc) - Grant-Lee Phillips - "Lightning Show Us Your Stuff" (Singer/Songwriter, Americana, Alt-Country, Indie Pop)
(similar to Ray LaMontagne, David Gray, Josh Ritter, etc) - Hannah Georgas - "All That Emotion" (Indie Pop, Indietronica, Art Pop)
(similar to Stars, Metric, Tegan and Sara, etc) - Hurts - "Faith" (Pop, Contemporary R&B, Adult Contemporary, Synthpop, Electropop)
(similar to Depeche Mode, a-ha, White Lies, etc) - JARV IS... - "Beyond the Pale" (debut full-length) (Art Pop, Art Rock, Electronic)
(similar to Peter Bjorn and John, HAIM, Grandaddy, etc) - Lomelda - "Hannah" (Indie Rock, Indie Folk, Slowcore)
(similar to Sharon Van Etten, Angel Olsen, Big Thief, etc) - The Pineapple Thief - "Versions of the Truth" (Progressive Rock, Alternative Rock)
(similar to Porcupine Tree, Marillion, Anathema, etc) - San Cisco - "Between You and Me" (Indie Pop, Jangle Pop, Soft Rock)
(similar to The Wombats, Grouplove, Darwin Deez, etc) - Throwing Muses - "Sun Racket" (Alternative Rock, Indie Rock)
(similar to Pixies, Violent Femmes, The Breeders, etc)
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Sept 10, 2020 17:27:23 GMT -5
Entercom just made a bunch of cuts at their Alternative stations. So less local content, and more of M*k* K*pl*n shoving his alt-pop agenda down every station's throat.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Sept 12, 2020 11:12:16 GMT -5
This is late, but Josiah Johnson, who was the lead singer of The Head and the Heart before they started getting alt hits (he left the band to get sober), released his debut album last Friday. Curious to see if anything from it charts on AAA.
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Post by American Idiot on Sept 12, 2020 19:15:52 GMT -5
We had new albums come out yesterday from Marilyn Manson, The Flaming Lips, Everything Everything, and more.
Please comment below if there is anything else that I might have forgotten.
September 11th 2020 Rock-Related New Album Releases
- Delta Spirit - "What Is There" (Indie Rock, Indie Pop)
(similar to Band of Horses, Spoon, Cold War Kids, etc) - Doves - "The Universal Want" (Indie Rock, Dream Pop, Neo-Psychedelia)
(similar to The Verve, Travis, Supergrass, etc) - Everything Everything - "Re-Animator" (Art Pop, Progressive Pop, Indietronica, Art Rock, Alternative Dance)
(similar to MGMT, Bloc Party, Vampire Weekend, etc) - The Flaming Lips - "American Head" (Neo-Psychedelia, Dream Pop, Chamber Pop, Psychedelic Pop, Progressive Pop, Psychedelic Folk)
(similar to Radiohead, Beck, Modest Mouse, etc) - Marilyn Manson - "We Are Chaos" (Alternative Rock, Glam Rock, Gothic Rock, Industrial Rock, Pop Rock)
(similar to System of a Down, Korn, Nine Inch Nails, etc) - Sam Prekop - "Comma" (Indie Pop, Jazz Pop, Electronic)
(similar to Yo La Tengo, Stereolab, Broadcast, etc)
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Post by macattack on Sept 12, 2020 22:49:24 GMT -5
Entercom just made a bunch of cuts at their Alternative stations. So less local content, and more of M*k* K*pl*n shoving his alt-pop agenda down every station's throat. It gets worse. Entercom is now going more automated and voice tracked than frickin' iHeart. The WNYL night guy is going to be national, and almost everyone else in their timeslots are going regional. A number of stations are losing their music directors or even their program directors. It's an absolute purge. The only station keeping the majority of their local talent is WNYL. This will undoubtedly have the side effect of forcing the homogenization of the Entercom playlists to make things simpler for the DJs who will have to almost certainly voice track or record their shows in advance in order to handle their workloads. Considering how WNYL is the least scathed (in fact the one new hire will be exclusively local talent for WNYL), I bet all of the playlists and adds will be mirroring WNYL's to a rather strong degree. I am sure the intention isn't to force Mike Kaplan's agenda down the format's throat, it's because Entercom is badly hurting financially and can't pay their people anymore, but it will undoubtedly be a side effect.
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Post by narp on Sept 12, 2020 23:47:35 GMT -5
I bet all of the playlists and adds will be mirroring WNYL's to a rather strong degree. So, how badly is this going to effect the format in the long run? I took a quick glance at songs that station played and even requested a couple of songs, and the biggest things I’ve noticed is that they mostly play the poppier songs and place HEAVY emphasis on recurrents (not really related to the chart though). “Come & Go”, “My Ex’s Best Friend” (which isn’t even charting on Alt Airplay ffs), “My Future”, and “Mood” all had spins within the last hour. The rest of the new songs that got spins were typical alt station fare that’d be palatable to basically anyone. “Can I Call You Tonight?”, “My Own Soul’s Warning”, “So What!”, “Post Humorous”, “Bloody Valentine”, “Tangerine”, and “Monsters” all had recent spins. The one thing that surprised me is I saw a recent spin for “The Ceiling” by Lewis Del Mar.
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Post by narp on Sept 13, 2020 1:31:56 GMT -5
NVM they played that new Lil Peep song and that Royal & the Serpent song. This is wholly not good.
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Post by macattack on Sept 13, 2020 11:15:38 GMT -5
How much do Entercom playlists currently resemble Mike Kaplan's WNYL/KROQ? It depends on the station. For example KITS (San Fran), KVIL (Dallas), and KNDD (Seattle) are following Kaplan's preferred playlists fairly closely, while KRBZ and WSFS have been more divergent (KRBZ has always gone its own way, WSFS has a history of adding some rock and veteran act stuff that Kaplan doesn't seem to want added). They fired WSFS' PD three weeks ago, before this wake of layoffs, so I think WSFS will be brought into line. As for KRBZ, they've had the same PD (Lazlo) since its inception in 2003, and they just syndicated his afternoon show to two other stations. It remains to be seen if KRBZ will continue to keep its independence. Entercom is claiming that the playlists won't change and maybe they won't for a short while but logistically it's way more efficient if everyone played the same music, so I expect all of Entercom's stations to gradually mimic WNYL in the months ahead. Especially since a lot of PDs and MDs got shown the door, which further reduces the chances of the stations maintaining any independence from each other. In all likelihood, we basically have a second iHeart now, just with a somewhat different selection of songs than what iHeart prefers to play.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 14, 2020 1:52:24 GMT -5
Entercom just made a bunch of cuts at their Alternative stations. So less local content, and more of M*k* K*pl*n shoving his alt-pop agenda down every station's throat. It gets worse. Entercom is now going more automated and voice tracked than frickin' iHeart. The WNYL night guy is going to be national, and almost everyone else in their timeslots are going regional. A number of stations are losing their music directors or even their program directors. It's an absolute purge. The only station keeping the majority of their local talent is WNYL. This will undoubtedly have the side effect of forcing the homogenization of the Entercom playlists to make things simpler for the DJs who will have to almost certainly voice track or record their shows in advance in order to handle their workloads. Considering how WNYL is the least scathed (in fact the one new hire will be exclusively local talent for WNYL), I bet all of the playlists and adds will be mirroring WNYL's to a rather strong degree. I am sure the intention isn't to force Mike Kaplan's agenda down the format's throat, it's because Entercom is badly hurting financially and can't pay their people anymore, but it will undoubtedly be a side effect. Question? what does that actually mean? No more deejays? Are robots are running the stations?
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Post by macattack on Sept 14, 2020 2:28:20 GMT -5
It gets worse. Entercom is now going more automated and voice tracked than frickin' iHeart. The WNYL night guy is going to be national, and almost everyone else in their timeslots are going regional. A number of stations are losing their music directors or even their program directors. It's an absolute purge. The only station keeping the majority of their local talent is WNYL. This will undoubtedly have the side effect of forcing the homogenization of the Entercom playlists to make things simpler for the DJs who will have to almost certainly voice track or record their shows in advance in order to handle their workloads. Considering how WNYL is the least scathed (in fact the one new hire will be exclusively local talent for WNYL), I bet all of the playlists and adds will be mirroring WNYL's to a rather strong degree. I am sure the intention isn't to force Mike Kaplan's agenda down the format's throat, it's because Entercom is badly hurting financially and can't pay their people anymore, but it will undoubtedly be a side effect. Question? what does that actually mean? No more deejays? Are robots are running the stations? I am sleep-deprived so I'm going to make this quick, but this essentially puts an end to live DJs outside of some midday shifts (9am-1pm, 10am-2pm, that kinda thing). You can't broadcast syndicated programming live, it's not feasible. Everyone on Entercom Alternatives are syndicated with a few exceptions now. This means the only people working at these stations are basically an engineer or two making sure stuff doesn't break, or, worst case, interrupt the broadcast in the event of an emergency. Outside of the people recording their shows in advance of course.
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Sept 14, 2020 14:30:25 GMT -5
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Post by macattack on Sept 15, 2020 21:55:53 GMT -5
Yeah, after two days and peeking at most of the playlists, all of the Entercom Alternatives are more or less playing the exact same music as WNYL, which is the station Format Captain Mike Kaplan personally programs (along with KROQ). There is nothing "local" about the playlists at all. I'm amazed that they did not even attempt a transition period and instead did the equivalent of dunking the listener in ice-cold water.
A lot of artists are going to get screwed over by this, as Kaplan making sure all Entercoms are playing the same music is going to create an artificial barrier that keeps them from peaking above certain chart positions (which will also affect whether iHeart adds them as iHeart is known to watch the chart positions closely). How long before various labels and artists stop bothering to submit to Alternative if there's no chance that Kaplan will approve them?
Not to mention that so many people have lost jobs that are most likely never coming back. Entercom is more automated than iHeart at this point, which is one hell of a feat. This is bad for radio, bad for the format, bad for the audience, and bad for the artists.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 16, 2020 3:48:41 GMT -5
Question? what does that actually mean? No more deejays? Are robots are running the stations? I am sleep-deprived so I'm going to make this quick, but this essentially puts an end to live DJs outside of some midday shifts (9am-1pm, 10am-2pm, that kinda thing). You can't broadcast syndicated programming live, it's not feasible. Everyone on Entercom Alternatives are syndicated with a few exceptions now. This means the only people working at these stations are basically an engineer or two making sure stuff doesn't break, or, worst case, interrupt the broadcast in the event of an emergency. Outside of the people recording their shows in advance of course. What a travesty. At one point in my life I was actually wanting to get into radio Dee jaying. It sounded fun and you could be around music all day. Boy am I glad I decided not to pursue that. This sounds like the perfect time for Pirate Radio stations to take revenge. his guy Kaplan guy has been given too much power over the radio audience. The seems like Fidel Castro of radio
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Post by narp on Sept 16, 2020 20:16:26 GMT -5
A few days ago, I decided to ask Mr. K*pl*n a question over Twitter, at least what I think is his Twitter, because why would you want to roleplay as him? I wanted to get to the bottom of why he is the way he is when he programs radio stations. Maybe try to get something to stick with him and butter him up a bit. As respectfully as I could, I asked him why exactly he insists on playing pop music on the alternative radio stations he programs. This was his exact response, no editing:
“Appreciate your thoughts - music is always so subjective. Our goal is to balance the alt-pop lane with what’s next in our ever evolving culture. And that’s the best part of ALT - exploring and taking chances on new styles while letting go of those that don’t reinvent.“
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 17, 2020 2:49:43 GMT -5
Hasn't he ever heard of the saying. If it ain't broken don't fix it. For the record. I don't need Alternative format to be reinvented. 'nuff said.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Sept 17, 2020 8:19:11 GMT -5
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Post by narp on Sept 17, 2020 9:26:49 GMT -5
Oh my god, I’m looking at that playlist and it’s great. Every alternative station should have this kind of variety. It’s a pretty decent mix of classic and modern, and alt and AAA. They have a pretty good selection of recurrents, many of them that weren’t even hits. Most corporate owned stations have very similar recurrents in their rotations, and they’re all extremely overplayed. My only complaint would have to be that there’s a little too much variety though. Weird complaint, but it’s a bit strange to hear songs like “Buffalo Stance” by Neneh Cherry and “Here” by Alessia Cara on what’s essentially a catch-all rock station.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Sept 17, 2020 9:33:20 GMT -5
It’s a pretty decent mix of classic and modern, and alt and AAA. ...that's because it is an AAA This proves my point that AAA is more alt than alt at this point.
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Post by macattack on Sept 17, 2020 11:01:15 GMT -5
Hasn't he ever heard of the saying. If it ain't broken don't fix it. For the record. I don't need Alternative format to be reinvented. 'nuff said. If he read his response to narp carefully, you can see some strong implications. Clearly Kaplan feels the Alternative format was broken, and that rock isn't innovating anymore, so he's shifting the Alternative format to pop where he feels there is more innovation. It's quite likely the classic Alternative songs his stations are playing are going to be phased out eventually, and as it is he's largely sticking with what crossed over to pop radio. In a weird way it mirrors something Adam from Maroon 5 said last year, where "there's nothing new going on in rock" which is why he's pushed Maroon 5 more and more in a pop and R&B-focused direction over the course of the 2010s.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Sept 17, 2020 11:13:16 GMT -5
I don’t think rock is necessarily dead or can’t be innovative. I think fans of rock are so closed off to new ideas that they remain stuck in the past so the only new rock that gets accepted are by already established rock bands or new bands who sound like old bands. Any time a rock artist blends with something from another style or genre, it’s suddenly labeled as anything but rock, as if rock can’t be fused with anything else - which is odd considering it has blended so well in the past and nearly every other genre can blend with others. But there’s such an elitist, exclusionary attitude with rock and that’s why it’s rarely present - because it isn’t allowed to evolve.
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Post by Walking Contradiction on Sept 17, 2020 13:11:31 GMT -5
I guess with me it's just a matter of personal taste, I don't like the EDM and modern-style hip-hop elements that are seeping into a lot of the music, nor am I a huge fan of the 2000s pop-punk sound (with some exceptions) that seems to be in vogue again. There's plenty of music I like that's a hybrid of different styles, some of it can barely be called "rock" at all, but a lot of the new stuff on Alternative is just not for me. I'm 35 now so I guess that's to be expected. But I do think there's a lot of music out there that puts a fresh spin on classic Alt sounds, and isn't being played on most commercial Alt stations.
And for the record, I tend not to like stuff that's too straight-up "rock" either, which is why I have little interest in the Active Rock format.
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Post by narp on Sept 17, 2020 21:12:19 GMT -5
Our good man Kaplan here doesn’t think alternative is an innovative genre anymore, so he starts spinning crappy CHR rejects on his stations? Sounds pretty weird. Anyway, are the playlists supposed to mimic WNYL or KROQ, or a weird combo of both we haven’t seen yet? Asking because they both have songs that don’t cross over to each other. An example of this is KROQ doesn’t play “Overwhelmed” by Royal & the Serpent, “Me and You” by Cold Hart and Lil Peep, or “The Ceiling” by Lewis Del Mar (at least in the past few days it hasn’t) and WNYL doesn’t play “Hey Girl” by boy deleted. All have at least decent rotation as of recently on one of the two.
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Post by macattack on Sept 17, 2020 21:25:28 GMT -5
Our good man Kaplan here doesn’t think alternative is an innovative genre anymore, so he starts spinning crappy CHR rejects on his stations? Sounds pretty weird. Anyway, are the playlists supposed to mimic WNYL or KROQ, or a weird combo of both we haven’t seen yet? Asking because they both have songs that don’t cross over to each other. An example of this is KROQ doesn’t play “Overwhelmed” by Royal & the Serpent, “Me and You” by Cold Hart and Lil Peep, or “The Ceiling” by Lewis Del Mar (at least in the past few days it hasn’t) and WNYL doesn’t play “Hey Girl” by boy deleted. All have at least decent rotation as of recently on one of the two. The only song KROQ reported on Tuesday was "Overwhelmed" so yes they do have it.
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Post by Daryl the Beryl on Sept 17, 2020 21:29:48 GMT -5
My problem with the Kaplan-ization of a fifth of a panel is the artists who are mainly promoted to alt. Chris Cornell, Seether, The Pretty Reckless and Deftones have active rock as a format to have their main success in, so I'm not worried about them. (Not to mention no Entercoms have played the new Seether or TPR) Phoenix at the very least is climbing up AAA quickly. Who I'm worried about is artists such as IDKHOW, Blu DeTiger, beabadoobee, Almost Monday, Saint Motel etc. who have mainly done better on alt but aren't touched by Kaplan due to them not doing well on TikTok or sales and etc. At the very least he hasn't touched High Low and Freak is off WNYL's playlist. For now.
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Post by narp on Sept 17, 2020 21:33:46 GMT -5
Hmm... I didn’t see it being played in the last few days. I checked what they played between Tuesday and today, and I don’t think they spun it. They even had what looks to be a new music block on Monday and they didn’t even bother to play it for that. There are big gaps between 10 PM and 9 AM or so on KROQ’s website, probably for evening and early morning shows, so maybe they played it during those, but didn’t report it on their website. That would be a bit strange though.
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Post by narp on Sept 17, 2020 23:30:23 GMT -5
I didn’t even know those existed tbh. I was using the station website so that’s my fault.
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Post by macattack on Sept 18, 2020 0:39:27 GMT -5
My problem with the Kaplan-ization of a fifth of a panel is the artists who are mainly promoted to alt. Chris Cornell, Seether, The Pretty Reckless and Deftones have active rock as a format to have their main success in, so I'm not worried about them. (Not to mention no Entercoms have played the new Seether or TPR) Phoenix at the very least is climbing up AAA quickly. Who I'm worried about is artists such as IDKHOW, Blu DeTiger, beabadoobee, Almost Monday, Saint Motel etc. who have mainly done better on alt but aren't touched by Kaplan due to them not doing well on TikTok or sales and etc. At the very least he hasn't touched High Low and Freak is off WNYL's playlist. For now. Kaplan's logic dictates that The Unlikely Candidates probably seem more progressive and fresh than a lot of the artists you just mentioned. Of course, he could be holding off on dropping "High Low" so he doesn't look like he's out to get all rock bands, which is probably why his stations are still playing Killers on light rotation too. But it's pretty clear that the writing is on the wall here, and "High Low" only has 1.3 million Spotify streams, which is lower than many of the other singles by artists you listed here. I have to imagine its days are numbered. I wonder how much longer alternative rock artists and labels who have those artists signed will keep pushing to Alt while knowing Kaplan won't pick them up. It's not going to end well, I think. The MB station playlist shows KROQ playing 'Overwhelmed', 'Me and You' and 'the Ceiling', right? Or am I looking at it wrongly? Boy deleted's song appears to just be a KROQ affair, so far. No, I just checked myself, you're looking at it right. They're playing all three songs. "Me and You" was reported a couple of weeks back, "The Ceiling" has not been reported so it's probably a recent add that will be reported next week.
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Post by Doc Indie Party Rock on Sept 18, 2020 1:24:55 GMT -5
Hasn't he ever heard of the saying. If it ain't broken don't fix it. For the record. I don't need Alternative format to be reinvented. 'nuff said. If he read his response to narp carefully, you can see some strong implications. Clearly Kaplan feels the Alternative format was broken, and that rock isn't innovating anymore, so he's shifting the Alternative format to pop where he feels there is more innovation. It's quite likely the classic Alternative songs his stations are playing are going to be phased out eventually, and as it is he's largely sticking with what crossed over to pop radio. In a weird way it mirrors something Adam from Maroon 5 said last year, where "there's nothing new going on in rock" which is why he's pushed Maroon 5 more and more in a pop and R&B-focused direction over the course of the 2010s. i know this is an unpopular opinion ,and I might be the sole believer here, but Rock doesn't need to be innovative. It's rock. weather it be Mainstream or Alternative . You have the basics. Guitars, bass, drums, big vocals and choruses. from Beatles to Stones, Def Leppard, Alice In Chains, Weezer, Killers. It's proven its worked time after time ,and I didn't hear anyone complaining. In the 80's synthpop and New Wave naturally caught on to the Rock crowd without it being forced on them. Also there are countless of other genres Mike Kaplan can be a part off without ruining Rock for the rest of us. Clearly he ,and others who want to change the sound of Rock are taking advantage of the fact the word Rock was dropped from both Active and Alternative titles ,and he feels that gives him freedom to introduce a bunch of songs that are as far from rock as Earth are to Pluto to the format. This wouldn't be happening as easy if the formats were still called Active Rock and Alternative Rock. Believe you me
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