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Post by Enigma. on Feb 15, 2012 5:34:22 GMT -5
Regarding Norah Jones:
Come Away with Me sold truckloads but because mainly adults really jumped the bandwagon, she's not glorified as pop star and media doesn't follow her like they follow superstars of younger generation.
However, she's been releasing constantly good records and altered her image - she's more indie now. Soon she'll release her next album produced by Danger Mouse. The record company held a listening party and EVERYBODY was blown away. She may not never have a big hit single but the interest is there and she is most likely to do a proper critically acclaimed comeback this year. Whether it turns into a commercial success, remains to be seen.
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Post by slw84 on Feb 15, 2012 7:18:25 GMT -5
Go Adele!!!! She blew right past 7 million! :O :O. I'm predicting this WILL hit 10 million by the end of the year. You heard it here first.  But, like how many people were saying this in November...raises hand...while others were claiming otherwise. That said, welcome to our side. Now she just better not come for my girls 1st week sales record on her next album...grrrr...lol Here for her matching oops...I did it again (10m) us sales and baby one more times worldwide sales (25m) |
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Post by Rodze on Feb 15, 2012 7:40:36 GMT -5
totally true. you never hear Norah's name! Yet you still definitely hear Alanis's name. Very strange. That's because Alanis sold much more (33m worldwide; 16m US) and had mainstream smash hits. Her impact was significantly bigger than Norah's. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 7:59:05 GMT -5
Long term impact in the pop world of course is smaller for Norah Jones. Norah Jones is not a pop singer
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Post by wolfmother on Feb 15, 2012 8:24:10 GMT -5
The perfromance of one album does not make a "legend" anyway It is more along the lines of how artists are remembered over time. Can't do that current releases Only "21" as an album era can be called legendary, but surely not Adele, it will take one more successfull album, at least, to achieve such a status, of course we shouldn't be expecting her next album to achieve the same level of success, but if ever it does or come close to it, then she will really become something else, now she is just one of those great story, amazingly successful albums we see from time to time in this industry, like Norah Jones first album, Alanis's "Jagged little pill", Carole King "Tapestry", Bruce Springsteen "Born in the USA", the "Grease" soundtrack, "Purple Rain" soudntrack, etc. Right now "21" is giving those legendary albums a run for their money, but Adele as an artist can be called great, awesome, talented...but not a legend, it takes more to achieve such a statut. And it's not just about success, she will mostly have to make some more good material, most especially. Dolly Parton never was the biggest pop/country star in the USA or the world, but she sure is a legend, and so was Etta James, it's about the legacy you live to this art. I think what makes people passionate about Adele and wanting to call her legendary already is that they just not connect with the music but with the person too, her down-to-earth approach is like a breath of fresh air and is actually very rare, she has stayed the same as she was arrived into the scene, and she never adopted gimmicks right from the start, she become a pop star thanks to her music and nothing else, she doesn't promote non stop, she is not at every party, she's not tweetting non stop about her life, she's asking people to buy her stuff, she's not setting herself above the rest, she's here for the music, it's simple as that. I think that's a big part of the story behind her connecting with people. |
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Post by wolfmother on Feb 15, 2012 8:43:19 GMT -5
Long term impact in the pop world of course is smaller for Norah Jones. Norah Jones is not a pop singer Exactly, she etablished herself in a genre does give you the career she has enjoyed, her level of success for some classified in the jazz genre has been very impressive, but what differs with Adele is that she is having an era bigger than that of Norah, "21" total sales will surpass those of "Come away with me" soon, it's been the case, and by a good amount in the UK and Ireland, the Netherlands, Belgium, it will be the same pretty soon in Australia (if not already the case), in France, New Zeland, etc. And I see it having not trouble selling more in the USA too. It's achieving all this in a much more lower album sales climate, hence the amazing chart runs everywhere, while also registering enourmous single sales. This era belongs is indeed one of the biggest ever, we can say that as it is not done yet as we know, the album could be over 7 millions copies sold in the USA, the brit awards could bring the album back at #1 in both the UK and Ireland too, so album era wise, "21" is in a very thin league. |
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Post by mamaloveme on Feb 15, 2012 8:53:58 GMT -5
to me Norah will be legand in the future
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Post by Ragin on Feb 15, 2012 9:35:09 GMT -5
I agree. It's not sales alone. Look how much MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice sold. Are they legends? It's putting out music that connects with people and is timeless. Adele's music sounds current now, could have easily sounded current decades ago, and has no production gimmicks or slang du jour that would make it date poorly. I think we really are looking at music history in the making. Those acts you mention above might not be legends, but their albums are. You can joke, or make fun of them, but they secured their place in history just the same. |
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Post by tonytaylor on Feb 15, 2012 9:36:15 GMT -5
Go Adele!!!! She blew right past 7 million! :O :O. I'm predicting this WILL hit 10 million by the end of the year. You heard it here first. Actually they didn't - I've been saying she's going Diamond this year for quite a while  I'm actually revising my prediction to late Summer now. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 9:44:31 GMT -5
If Adele sells 400K a week forever, I would agree
However, I think the grammy spike is short-term
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Post by wolfmother on Feb 15, 2012 11:02:02 GMT -5
If Adele sells 400K a week forever, I would agree However, I think the grammy spike is short-term Agree about what ? It becoming a future diamond selling album, and this possibly (or maybe should I even say, most probably), this year ? |
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Post by neverduplicated on Feb 15, 2012 11:16:38 GMT -5
If 21 sells 600k next week, the album will be at 7.2m. To reach 10m by the end of the calendar year, it'd need to ~62,000 copies per week for the rest of the year (a total of 45 weeks after next one). For the album to be certified diamond, it could even be a bit short of 10m, let's say 9.7m. To reach that, the album would need an average of ~56k for the rest of the year. Does anyone really not think that's a possibility at this point? It'll still be selling 100k+ a week for a few weeks after the Grammys I imagine (meaning the average weekly total needed to reach 10m will keep decreasing), there's a guaranteed smash 4th single on its way, and even if sales dip later in the year, the holidays will be just around the corner to boost sales again. Not to mention this album still has never had any major sale pricing which could happen as well. Don't underestimate the power of 21. 10m by the end of the year is not just a possibility, it's looking more and more likely.
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Post by badrobot on Feb 15, 2012 11:18:10 GMT -5
I think 21's status as a legendary album is pretty hard to doubt.
One of the hallmarks of an album being "legendary" is the propensity for people to perform cover songs from it. RITD and SLY will be covered ad nauseum in the decades to come (and they already have been numerous times). I see a lot of similarities to "Tapestry" with "21" in that respect, not to mention that both artists are women who, while not unattractive by any means, do not fit the pre-defined mold of what a female pop star is supposed to look like and have the writing skills to back up their voices.
I don't exactly hear a lot of people clamoring for "Don't Know Why" covers. No shade against Norah Jones but I don't think her songs have had a lasting impact.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 11:20:18 GMT -5
If Adele sells 400K a week forever, I would agree However, I think the grammy spike is short-term Agree about what ? It becoming a future diamond selling album, and this possibly (or maybe should I even say, most probably), this year ? That it will happen this summer The grammy surge will slow down |
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Post by Rodze on Feb 15, 2012 15:30:33 GMT -5
www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/rumormill.cgiADELE, WHITNEY HEAT UP: It’s the perfect storm for six-time Grammy winner Adele’s XL/Columbia album 21, as the release explodes at retail, marking a year since its release last Feb. Judging by how sales settle after the post-Grammy, post-Valentine’s Day rush, Adele should do, conservatively, between 550-600k this week—her best to date—making her #1 for the, coincidentally, 21st week, tying the pre-Soundscan mark set by MC Hammer’s Please Hammer Don’t Hurt ‘Em in 1990. And, ironically, bettering the 20 weeks logged at #1 by the late Whitney Houston's The Bodyguard soundtrack. Adele's previous album, 19, and live DVD are also catching fire in the marketplace. Meanwhile, retail is getting re-stocked with Houston's Greatest Hits album, making 100k in sales for the week a distinct possibility. In addition, VEVO reports 5.3 million views on combined Whitney videos in the 24 hours after her death, a 4,000% increase. The total is now up to 124 million. To check out some of those videos, go here. (2/15p)
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Post by when the pawn... on Feb 15, 2012 15:33:49 GMT -5
CONSERVATIVELY, 550-600K.
HOLY F***
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Post by Minor Scratch on Feb 15, 2012 15:43:53 GMT -5
600K in February 2012 after almost a year of release. Unbelievable. Could this be the biggest February sales week ever??
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Post by BRhap786 on Feb 15, 2012 15:44:36 GMT -5
WOW! Insane.
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Post by when the pawn... on Feb 15, 2012 15:45:52 GMT -5
600K in February 2012 after almost a year of release. Unbelievable. Could this be the biggest February sales week ever?? 50 Cent sold over 800k with his first two albums in February, I believe. |
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Post by Adam (UTR) on Feb 15, 2012 15:50:08 GMT -5
600K in February 2012 after almost a year of release. Unbelievable. Could this be the biggest February sales week ever?? It might rival Santana's Supernatural. That was another huge Grammy winner that sold 583,000 the week after the Grammys on Album Chart dated March 11, 2000. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 15:53:37 GMT -5
There should be quite a few good February weeks. There are 100 or so that have topped 600K overall
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Post by Adam (UTR) on Feb 15, 2012 15:54:06 GMT -5
600K in February 2012 after almost a year of release. Unbelievable. Could this be the biggest February sales week ever?? 50 Cent sold over 800k with his first two albums in February, I believe. You're right. Get Rich Or Die Tryin' sold 872k first week in February 2003. The Massacre was released in March 2005. |
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Post by Kurt on Feb 15, 2012 15:55:34 GMT -5
re: Norah Jones - I'm a big fan of her and don't think she's had a lasting impact on pop...and I honestly doubt that she cares one bit. None of her songs are really catered to the pop sound, though a few would certainly work as "outlier" hits (à la "Don't Know Why"). As spoilt wrote very well, she's had several great albums--none of which are pop-oriented--but Danger Mouse-produced Little Broken Hearts could be the one to bring her mainstream attention again (or, at the least, a hit on Triple A).
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Post by Honeymoon on Feb 15, 2012 17:08:09 GMT -5
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Post by esoteric76 on Feb 15, 2012 17:17:14 GMT -5
Long term impact in the pop world of course is smaller for Norah Jones. Norah Jones is not a pop singer Exactly, she etablished herself in a genre does give you the career she has enjoyed, her level of success for some classified in the jazz genre has been very impressive, but what differs with Adele is that she is having an era bigger than that of Norah, "21" total sales will surpass those of "Come away with me" soon, She's not quite up to Norah's total sales yet. That album was a monster and is still selling bucket loads in catalog. However, with a fourth single and some actual touring, Adele could do it. More power to her. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 17:27:09 GMT -5
The thing is that Adele is far more mainstream than Norah is/was. Adele may not like the pop singer title but that is exactly where she fits in line with. Her music incorporates a bit of soul but it's much more accessible than Norah's was imo, and has been ever since her debut.
Not that that matters anything because phenomenal sales are phenomenal sales, just analyzing the difference between the two artists.
600k :o #beast
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Feb 15, 2012 17:32:54 GMT -5
600K in February 2012 after almost a year of release. Unbelievable. Could this be the biggest February sales week ever?? It might rival Santana's Supernatural. That was another huge Grammy winner that sold 583,000 the week after the Grammys on Album Chart dated March 11, 2000. Thank you. That's all I needed to believe Adele could sell over 500k this week. But, I'll believe it when the numbers come in. |
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Post by KMJ1 on Feb 15, 2012 18:20:55 GMT -5
I just saw Madonna album being released not until 3/26 whew! I thought it was only in 2-3 weeks. if so, I was gonna say it wasnt lookin as good for #1 due to Adele. By 3/26 Adele should be back to normal/ 100k+ or so #s.
Anyways, NO way Adele is NOT going diamond with this album! lol
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Feb 15, 2012 18:24:00 GMT -5
WTF. This can't be possible... Then again, the Grammys were their second highest rated this year, ever, and she and Whitney were the two big stories surrounding the Grammys. Still, this just seems impossible. She's defying everything anyone predicted would happen this decade in terms of album sales. and the album isn't even that great, imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2012 18:24:34 GMT -5
I think Adele will be #1 until Springsteen's album comes out; and then bounce back until Madonna & Nicki's weeks.
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