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Post by Au$tin on Feb 19, 2012 15:23:17 GMT -5
Well, most artists don't have multiple smashes at the same time when one is as big as WFL is now. The only two I can think of was in 2009 with Lady Gaga (Just Dance/Poker Face) and The Black Eyed Peas (Boom Boom Pow/I Gotta Feeling).
Let's be honest here, OG(ITW) and WMN? were not as a big as WFL.
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Post by badrobot on Feb 19, 2012 15:41:47 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if some labels are experimenting with a new strategy here. Beyonce's 4 sold fairly well with a "lots of small hits" strategy. Not that a label would be unhappy about a huge smash but maybe they figure it's better to keep a steady stream of new radio singles than to put a ton of promo behind one song at a time.
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 19, 2012 16:43:03 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if some labels are experimenting with a new strategy here. Beyonce's 4 sold fairly well with a "lots of small hits" strategy. Not that a label would be unhappy about a huge smash but maybe they figure it's better to keep a steady stream of new radio singles than to put a ton of promo behind one song at a time. I think they've had to do that in response to the fact that nothing has really taken on radio as a huge hit; but I'm glad the album is selling well. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 16:57:56 GMT -5
Radio is not restricted to CHR/Pop, and you don't need CHR/Pop to sell albums. Beyoncé has a very solid urban following, and 4 has spawned a handful of major Urban hits. Let's not act like the project was dead on arrival. To urban music fans, the album is doing just fine.
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Post by allow that on Feb 19, 2012 16:59:56 GMT -5
Question about single sales. Lets say Artist ABC puts out an EP single of a song and three remixes. If someone purchases it as a whole, does it count as one sale? If someone purchases, lets's say, three of the tracks individually in the same week, does it count as three?
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Post by Rodze on Feb 19, 2012 17:34:51 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if some labels are experimenting with a new strategy here. Beyonce's 4 sold fairly well with a "lots of small hits" strategy. Not that a label would be unhappy about a huge smash but maybe they figure it's better to keep a steady stream of new radio singles than to put a ton of promo behind one song at a time. You talk as if her label planned and expected all her singles to underperform... |
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Post by Verisimilitude on Feb 19, 2012 17:50:32 GMT -5
Question about single sales. Lets say Artist ABC puts out an EP single of a song and three remixes. If someone purchases it as a whole, does it count as one sale? If someone purchases, lets's say, three of the tracks individually in the same week, does it count as three? Yes. You buy the EP of a song, it gets counted for the Hot Singles Sales chart. You buy three individual remixes, they count individually for the Hot Digital Songs chart. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 19:41:28 GMT -5
I bet Part Of Me debut at No-1 this week Around 380-400.000 sales + 30-35 mil aud. It's not a masterpiece but when i think that We Found Love stayed 10 w at No-1 then Kate Perry definitely worth another No-1... The Billboard Hot 100 is about quantity(as in the amount of singles sold a week), not about quality, and it always has been. Some of the biggest pieces of musical garbage have topped the Hot 100 in the last 53 years because it's strictly about current popularity and little else. |
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Post by d.t.m on Feb 19, 2012 19:51:20 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if some labels are experimenting with a new strategy here. Beyonce's 4 sold fairly well with a "lots of small hits" strategy. Not that a label would be unhappy about a huge smash but maybe they figure it's better to keep a steady stream of new radio singles than to put a ton of promo behind one song at a time. You talk as if her label planned and expected all her singles to underperform... Yep, if that were true so much money would not have been dumped into the RTW video, premiered it on AI and high profile performances for it would not have been planned. They wanted that traditional lead smash and when they didn't get it they immediately went to BINH for damage control. I doubt they expected to push all of these singles everywhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 20:07:25 GMT -5
Radio is not restricted to CHR/Pop, and you don't need CHR/Pop to sell albums. Beyoncé has a very solid urban following, and 4 has spawned a handful of major Urban hits. Let's not act like the project was dead on arrival. To urban music fans, the album is doing just fine. Jazzy spills the true tea! It sucks we didn't get a huge pop smash this era but there's no denying 4 is doing great at urban :) and the album keeps selling :) |
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Post by dbhmr on Feb 19, 2012 20:40:05 GMT -5
Radio is not restricted to CHR/Pop, and you don't need CHR/Pop to sell albums. Beyoncé has a very solid urban following, and 4 has spawned a handful of major Urban hits. Let's not act like the project was dead on arrival. To urban music fans, the album is doing just fine. Didn't mean to suggest her singles hadn't been successful elsewhere, but I think in spite of Urban success, the album will prove far more memorable than any one single to the general public, Urban or otherwise. |
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Post by NeRD on Feb 19, 2012 21:22:59 GMT -5
You talk as if her label planned and expected all her singles to underperform... Yep, if that were true so much money would not have been dumped into the RTW video, premiered it on AI and high profile performances for it would not have been planned. They wanted that traditional lead smash and when they didn't get it they immediately went to BINH for damage control. I doubt they expected to push all of these singles everywhere. True tea. |
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Post by bat1990 on Feb 19, 2012 22:17:54 GMT -5
IMO, 4 is Beyoncé's highest quality album of her career, and it doesn't need massive radio smashes to prove that.
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Post by leoapp on Feb 19, 2012 22:18:59 GMT -5
So, is POM considered as the 6th #1 single from TG? Because Mariah's DFAU which was fromTEOM re-released, was also still considered as a #1 from TEOM.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Feb 19, 2012 22:21:18 GMT -5
So, is POM considered as the 6th #1 single from TG? Because Mariah's DFAU which was fromTEOM re-released, was also still considered as a #1 from TEOM. No, Billboard will consider it the first number one from "The Complete Confection." |
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 19, 2012 22:54:28 GMT -5
Whitney Houston on Mediabase Golds Charts
7-day-rolling airplay, 2/12-2/18
Rank (Rank yesterday)- Title: Number of spins (Trend compared to the prior day's reported number)- Number of stations
Pop Golds
11 (10)- I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me): 328 spins (-42)- 101 stations
38 (18)- I Will Always Love You: 204 (-61)- 83 stations
Rhythmic Golds
7 (6)- I Will Always Love You: 175 (-11)- 50 stations
11 (8)- I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me): 153 (-21)- 54 stations
24 (23)- How Will I Know: 106 (-14)- 42 stations
36 (29)- Heartbreak Hotel: 93 (-10)- 34 stations
AC Golds
1 (1)- I Will Always Love You: 670 (+26)- 88 stations
11- How Will I Know: 500- 89 stations
Urban Golds
2 (2)- I Will Always Love You: 269 (+16)- 58 stations
3 (3)- I'm Every Woman: 227 (+3)- 63 stations
4 (4)- I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me): 215 (-7)- 60 stations
5 (5)- Heartbreak Hotel: 211 (-3)- 57 stations
6 (7)- Exhale (Shoop Shoop): 206 (+21)- 55 stations
7 (6)- You Give Good Love: 198 (-9)- 57 stations
8 (10)- Saving All My Love For You: 197 (+18)- 60 stations
9 (8)- The Greatest Love Of All: 195 (+8)- 61 stations
10 (11)- My Love Is Your Love: 176 (+8)- 57 stations
11 (12)- I'm Your Baby Tonight: 172 (+8): 55 stations
12 (9)- How Will I Know: 169 (-16)- 62 stations
15 (15)- I Have Nothing: 109 (+4)- 40 stations
16 (24)- The Star Spangled Banner: 100 (+13)- 42 stations
18 (18)- Million Dollar Bill: 98 (+5)- 42 stations
20 (17)- All The Man That I Need: 94 (-1)- 37 stations
29 (27)- I Love The Lord: 84 (-1)- 40 stations
33- Run to You- 78- 43 stations
37 (34)- I Believe in You & Me: 75 (-1)- 38 stations
38- Where Do Broken Hearts Go- 75- 41 stations
Urban AC Golds
1 (1)- I Will Always Love You: 819 (+64)- 72 stations
2 (2)- Saving All My Love For You: 741 (+53)- 72 stations
3 (3)- The Greatest Love Of All: 688 (+50)- 72 stations
4 (4)- You Give Good Love: 624 (-8)- 71 stations
5 (6)- I'm Every Woman: 468 (+79)- 71 stations
6 (5)- Exhale (Shoop Shoop): 461 (+3)- 71 stations
7 (7)- I'm Your Baby Tonight: 385 (+16)- 68 stations
8 (8)- I Have Nothing: 335 (+17)- 68 stations
9 (9)- Heartbreak Hotel: 312 (-1)- 62 stations
10 (10)- I Believe In You & Me: 310 (-1)- 66 stations
11 (14)- How Will I Know: 306 (+38)- 69 stations
13 (12)- All The Man That I Need: 294 (-5)- 68 stations
14 (17)- I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me): 274 (+32)- 60 stations
16 (19)- My Love is Your Love: 254 (+18)- 59 stations
17 (18)- Where Do Broken Hearts Go: 249 (+8)- 60 stations
19 (16)- Didn't We Almost Have It All: 244 (-)- 60 stations
20 (21)- The Star Spangled Banner: 235 (+27)- 64 stations
28 (27)- For the Love of You: 194 (+3)- 51 stations
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Post by badrobot on Feb 20, 2012 1:49:29 GMT -5
I think there's a difference between a song that gets up to 30m in audience or so then drops quickly out of the picture and a song which gets up to about that point and hovers around there for months. The former is a single that just didn't connect, while the latter is a single that is connecting but with a niche audience.
I don't think any label would ever be *disappointed* in a song becoming a huge smash. I'm just saying that they probably figure the second best thing is to have multiple songs doing well at a genre level.
The model for years was that hits go in a particular order, and all the promotional focus is on one song at a time. The concept of "urban single" vs "pop single" is a more recent phenomenon, but now it seems to be taken a step further to even have "multiple urban singles" and "multiple pop singles" simultaneously.
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Post by Envoirment on Feb 20, 2012 7:29:45 GMT -5
Today's update:
1. ADELE - Set Fire To The Rain: 153.465 (+ 1.767)
2. RIHANNA - We Found Love f/Calvin Harris: 128.703 (+ 0.435)
3. FLO RIDA - Good Feeling: 109.825 (- 0.534)
4. KELLY CLARKSON - Stronger (What Doesn't Kill ...: 97.344 (+ 2.364) ▲
5. BRUNO MARS - It Will Rain: 95.295 (- 1.318) ▼
6. JESSIE J - Domino: 87.801 (+ 0.312)
7. DAVID GUETTA - Turn Me On f/Nicki Minaj: 82.992 (+ 1.196) ▲
8. KATY PERRY - The One That Got Away: 79.879 (- 3.317) ▼
9. PITBULL F/CHRIS BROWN - International Love: 76.345 (+ 1.711)
10. DRAKE - Take Care f/Rihanna: 72.515 (+ 1.220)
11. DRAKE - The Motto f/Lil Wayne: 71.108 (+ 0.815)
12. WIZ KHALIFA/SNOOP DOGG - Young, Wild & Free f/B. Mars: 68.269 (+ 0.799)
13. GAVIN DEGRAW - Not Over You: 65.311 (+ 0.076)
14. MAROON 5 F/CHRISTINA AGUILERA - Moves Like Jagger: 65.114 (+ 1.029) :o
15. JAY Z & KANYE WEST - N***** In Paris: 61.883 (- 1.286)
16. DAVID GUETTA - Without You f/Usher: 61.813 (+ 0.516)
17. GYM CLASS HEROES - Ass Back Home f/Neon Hitch: 56.130 (+ 0.982) ▲
18. J. COLE - Workout: 55.275 (- 1.772) ▼
19. TYGA - Rack City: 55.175 (+ 0.461)
20. ADELE - Someone Like You: 55.071 (+ 0.453)
LMFAO - Sexy And I Know It: 50.964 (- 0.584)
SELENA GOMEZ & THE SCENE: Love You Like A Love Song: 50.198 (- 1.028)
THE WANTED - Glad You Came: 43.240 (+ 1.401)
KATY PERRY - Part Of Me: 41.365 (+ 5.266)
BEYONCE - Love On Top: 37.621 (+ 1.216)
TAYLOR SWIFT - Ours: 33.830 (+ 0.447)
BLAKE SHELTON - Drink On It: 32.705 (- 0.006)
RIHANNA - Talk That Talk f/Jay-Z: 32.304 (+ 0.438)
TRAIN - Drive By: 24.774 (+ 0.225)
NICKI MINAJ - Starships: 22.889 (+ 2.486)
GOTYE - Somebody That I Used To Know: 20.839 (+ 0.185)
MADONNA - Give Me All Your Luvin': 20.323 (- 0.156)
LMFAO - Sorry For Party Rocking: 20.302 (+ 0.115)
CHRIS BROWN - Turn Up The Music: 20.294 (+ 1.063)
WHITNEY HOUSTON - I Will Always Love You: 18.282 (- 5.398)
CALVIN HARRIS - Feel So Close: 17.764 (+ 1.894)
FLO RIDA - Wild Ones f/Sia: 16.700 (+ 0.390)
FOSTER THE PEOPLE - Don't Stop (Color On The Walls: 13.451 (+ 0.080)
FOO FIGHTERS - These Days: 13.197 (- 0.194)
JASON MRAZ - I Won't Give Up: 10.125 (+ 0.221)
FUN. - We Are Young f/Janelle Monae: 9.713 (+ 0.790)
COLDPLAY - Princess Of China: 9.514 (- 0.096)
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Post by slw84 on Feb 20, 2012 7:39:44 GMT -5
Today's update: KATY PERRY - Part Of Me: 41.365 (+ 5.266) Thanks but that is the brightest highlighter yellow I have ever seen. Wow. Glad Katy is smashing...future #1 here we come. |
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Post by josh on Feb 20, 2012 7:40:02 GMT -5
2. RIHANNA - We Found Love f/Calvin Harris: 128.703 (+ 0.435)
... again??
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 20, 2012 7:44:46 GMT -5
Radio is not restricted to CHR/Pop, and you don't need CHR/Pop to sell albums. Beyoncé has a very solid urban following, and 4 has spawned a handful of major Urban hits. Let's not act like the project was dead on arrival. To urban music fans, the album is doing just fine. Although Urban artists need CHR/Pop to sell more records, I agree with this. 4 has been a steady seller throughout all of its run so far. I think her name/performances and 'Best Thing I Never Had' being a minor Pop hit (top 20 in overall airplay) kept the album afloat for the first 2 months (it spent 10 weeks in the top 10), but then it was still selling steady during the fall when 'Party' became a R&B smash and it has now posted 3 weekly increases with 'Love on Top' taking off. |
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Post by Envoirment on Feb 20, 2012 7:50:20 GMT -5
Today's update: KATY PERRY - Part Of Me: 41.365 (+ 5.266) Thanks but that is the brightest highlighter yellow I have ever seen. Wow. Glad Katy is smashing...future #1 here we come. Oops, I must be colourblind. I thought he was using yellow, but it was orange. Fixed it. |
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Post by slw84 on Feb 20, 2012 7:59:57 GMT -5
You talk as if her label planned and expected all her singles to underperform... Yep, if that were true so much money would not have been dumped into the RTW video, premiered it on AI and high profile performances for it would not have been planned. They wanted that traditional lead smash and when they didn't get it they immediately went to BINH for damage control. I doubt they expected to push all of these singles everywhere. I know...I can't believe people are STILL trying to make excuses for Beyonce's '4' era. It's done...ppl get over it. RTW was another female anthem dance track. It was not a risk like some of her stans try to make people believe. The expectations were high. Fans were already claiming she would snatch wigs and her team was hyping up the era. For some reason, it didn't work out with pop. It happens... Of course urban/urban ac radio will play it regardless. She still sold over 1M and showed that she has an established fanbase that isn't based on #1's. No way would they want her dropping videos practically every month when her first 3 albums had more hits then misses without having to use that approach. I don't know if it was a combination of overexposure or Matthew Knowles getting fired pulling out but she should definitely take this era as a lessons learned for the future. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 20, 2012 8:21:04 GMT -5
I know...I can't believe people are STILL trying to make excuses for Beyonce's '4' era. It's done...ppl get over it. No one is making excuses because there is simply no need for excuses. This "excuses" thing you all like to throw out was cute last summer, but not now. Facts speak for themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 8:43:27 GMT -5
Ever since Part of Me was released, TOTGA has fallen like 3m+ everyday.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Feb 20, 2012 8:51:08 GMT -5
"You Da One"'s underperformance doesn't even matter since "We Found Love" has been dominating left and right. It shows that it shouldn't have been a single in the first place either.
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Post by Enigma. on Feb 20, 2012 9:01:42 GMT -5
WFL and MLJ are climbing because stations don't play Whitney any more.
Surprised that the success in airplay hasn't helped Take Care to sell downloads.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Feb 20, 2012 9:04:56 GMT -5
Tomorrow is the eighth-day effect for "Part of Me," so it may see a loss of, what, 7m or so?
Surprised "Rolling in the Deep" wasn't added back on to the list, as it's going to return to the top 10 this week.
The novelty of "Give Me All..." wore off pretty quickly, but it's leveled off. Wonder when the bottom really will drop out. Interscope probably will send the next single to radio within the next three-four weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 10:23:00 GMT -5
What's the record for most weeks in the top 2? Rihanna could get 2 more weeks, which would bring her to somewhere around 18, right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 10:30:55 GMT -5
I don't know if it's the record, but Iris had 20 weeks in the top 2 (including 18 at #1)
Don't Speak also had 20 weeks in the Top 2 (16 of which at #1.)
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