Felicia
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Post by Felicia on May 29, 2012 0:17:28 GMT -5
The video is nice & effective. What a shame though, this great song deserves a bigger budget for a better video.
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Post by Lozzy on May 29, 2012 4:20:54 GMT -5
I think this single will test many folks' patience if it hasn't already. I entirely understand why many are concerned about it's performance before the adds date, although even when I take off my fan glasses, I am not concerned. To be fair to the concerned folks, CHR/Pop is an extremely fickle format that tends to ignore it "aging" (30+ year old) female (and to a lesser degree, male) artists, but Kelly is one from an extremely short list who has managed to buck the trend with longevity. Correct me if I am wrong, but other than Britney Spears, I think Kelly is the only other pop artist (male or female) from the past decade who has a solo #1 on CHR/Pop and/or Hot 100 in a 10 year span, no ? That statistic is just sad, IMO, because Pop radio has little loyalty to it's "established" artists relative to other formats, such as Country, AAA, and AC. IMO, the failure of Kelly to consistently have respectable-sized hits on CHR/Pop will likely be the trigger for RCA to focus it's financial support on moving Kelly toward the Hot AC/AC format. That could easily happen next era.... I'm not sure that I understand what you mean by the bolded part. From what I can see, countless artists who peaked in the past decade (for example Jessica Simpson, Leona Lewis, Jason Mraz, Sara Bareilles, Nelly, Justin Timberlake, Avril Lavigne, JoJo, Chris Brown, etc.) have had a solo #1 on CHR/Pop and/or the Hot 100 in the last ten years. Would you be able to elaborate on that for my sake?
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Post by josh on May 29, 2012 7:58:22 GMT -5
Someone who say, got a #1 in 2001, and another #1 in 2011. A #1 in 2001 and 2003 would only be a 2 year span. 10 years shows longevity.
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Post by clem on May 29, 2012 9:02:52 GMT -5
I had the same thought: Madonna, etc. But he specified the past decade, making both of them ineligible. No, "Touch My Body" was within this past decade, I'm 100%. I'm not that old...
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Post by josh on May 29, 2012 9:13:00 GMT -5
I think he meant artists who have shown up in the past decade, got big hits back then, but since then have still managed to get big hits.
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Post by Envoirment on May 29, 2012 10:57:29 GMT -5
"Dark Side" is up to #65 on UK itunes. It's been climbing quite steadily since the release of the video and its increasing airplay.
It should hopefully be in the top 40 of the itunes chart by the end of the week and debut in the top 100 singles chart. Then I can start giving you weekly updates on its chart run :)
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Post by roman89 on May 29, 2012 11:15:17 GMT -5
Dark Side has also debuted at #48 on the Hot AC chart today, so, it's radio run is slowly beginning.
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Post by bigb0882 on May 29, 2012 12:15:10 GMT -5
The poster clearly meant hits spanning the last decade. 2002 for AMLT and 2012 for WDKY
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Post by Hussy on May 29, 2012 17:22:53 GMT -5
725 333 CLARKSON, KELLY Dark Side 3 0 3 0.009 its improving a bit
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Post by ListenToItTwice on May 29, 2012 17:32:49 GMT -5
^ And it's number 48 on Hot AC with 157 spins this week. Maybe its rise on that format will encourage CHR?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 18:00:20 GMT -5
This got 9 adds on Hot AC, bringing it to 11 adds total for pre-adds date.
However for CHR/Pop, not a single early add.
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Post by KMJ1 on May 29, 2012 18:16:44 GMT -5
while Im not a big fan of this song, it's not in any way 'bad'. How does Kelly Clarkson - an A list radio darling who just scored a MEGA multi format #1 hit (and one of her biggest even more importantly ) not be getting virtually any spins just by default lol? How did IDNHU and even AIEW get more instant love (when DS clearly is more beloved by many, many more people than those songs). Very confused. I'm at least hoping this follows the same path as MKIA at this point- which obviously turned into a very decent sized sleeper hit. Obviously I want (and expected more) but just dunno whats doing here :/.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 29, 2012 18:29:29 GMT -5
Radio can only handle having a few radio darlings at once. So, even though Rihanna/Katy are on their 5 billionth singles in a row they will immediately get tons of attention and airplay no matter what. Kelly is still a radio darling in some ways, but NOT currently a quintessential one that is guaranteed +2000 bullets and radio stations falling all over themselves to play her songs. Furthermore, Stronger was absolutely perfect in every way possible for a radio song. It sounds great, it is distinguishable without being significantly different, universal message, non-controversial artist, etc. Radio is not going to give it up quickly especially when given something like Dark Side which is not radio candy and as we see a lot of fast/light songs having bullet explosions I can see why a song like Dark Side isn't getting significant attention right now. It really is going to take a bit of a push, but her label seems dedicated to giving this era that push so I am sure it will be fine in a few weeks.
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Post by wallace on May 29, 2012 18:58:05 GMT -5
Also possible that with WDKY still getting airplay, the label is encouraging pop stations to wait and hop on board on the adds date and not before. Pulse tends to overrate how much influence the labels can really have in a lot of situations, but they can absolutely stage-manage a situation like this to try to get a bigger 'pop' around the adds date if they want to.
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Post by downsouth on May 29, 2012 20:48:39 GMT -5
Why would CHR stations only play one Kelly song at the time but play two One Direction and The Wanted songs? I'm not understanding the logic.
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Post by G-Reg on May 30, 2012 2:10:28 GMT -5
Why would CHR stations only play one Kelly song at the time but play two One Direction and The Wanted songs? I'm not understanding the logic. Because playing One Thing has a much more immediate reaction among the current targeted demographic than Dark Side would.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on May 30, 2012 13:07:22 GMT -5
Why would CHR stations only play one Kelly song at the time but play two One Direction and The Wanted songs? I'm not understanding the logic. In order to get it, you have to take a step back from your own individual opinion of the artist and look at where they each stand in relation to pop culture and overall popularity right now. Plus what G-Reg said.
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Post by Envoirment on May 30, 2012 13:17:01 GMT -5
UK update:
"Dark Side" is up to #51 on UK itunes and is at #26 in airplay with 25.68m AI. Since "Dark Side" has started climbing, the album has too; moving up to #89 on the itunes album chart from the 160s not too long ago.
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Post by tommymonster44 on May 30, 2012 13:56:54 GMT -5
Radio can only handle having a few radio darlings at once. So, even though Rihanna/Katy are on their 5 billionth singles in a row they will immediately get tons of attention and airplay no matter what. Kelly is still a radio darling in some ways, but NOT currently a quintessential one that is guaranteed +2000 bullets and radio stations falling all over themselves to play her songs. Furthermore, Stronger was absolutely perfect in every way possible for a radio song. It sounds great, it is distinguishable without being significantly different, universal message, non-controversial artist, etc. Radio is not going to give it up quickly especially when given something like Dark Side which is not radio candy and as we see a lot of fast/light songs having bullet explosions I can see why a song like Dark Side isn't getting significant attention right now. It really is going to take a bit of a push, but her label seems dedicated to giving this era that push so I am sure it will be fine in a few weeks. This. Dark Side is a slower song and it will take some effort from Kelly and her label to get the ball rolling.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 30, 2012 14:39:39 GMT -5
I agree with everyone else. It seems really obvious why radio would be jumping on One Direction faster even if we all know Kelly is #1 in every way -_- I won't be too concerned unless actual adds week comes and she only gets like...10 adds. Then I will start worrying.
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Post by Jay on May 30, 2012 15:18:05 GMT -5
Looks to be getting off to a nice start on Hot AC.
76 46 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 188 37 151 1.616 +31 Spins +29 Bullet +0.185 AI
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 15:20:33 GMT -5
I won't be too concerned unless actual adds week comes and she only gets like...10 adds. Then I will start worrying. I expect all of the Hot AC leaning CHRs will jump on this next week, giving it at least 35-45 adds which would be good. 10 adds definitely won't happen.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 31, 2012 1:10:05 GMT -5
it's building momentum.
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Post by slamina on May 31, 2012 1:28:15 GMT -5
I'm very curious to see how this does during its Pop adds date. Although things may not look great now, a good showing this upcoming Tuesday could turn things around. This is what I discovered looking up the first two singles on mediabase:
MKIA - 2 adds before adds week + 55 adds during adds week = 57 in total Stronger - 10 adds before adds week + 52 adds during adds week = 62 in total Dark Side - 0 adds before adds week + ? adds during adds week = ? in total
We can use these numbers for reference next week. :)
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Post by lum on May 31, 2012 5:54:07 GMT -5
KELLY CLARKSON - Dark Side: 2.017 (+ 0.383)
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Post by hitseeker. on Jun 1, 2012 7:15:18 GMT -5
KELLY CLARKSON - Dark Side: 2.360 (+ 0.343)
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Post by sbp17 on Jun 1, 2012 7:22:32 GMT -5
Is this update for pop or overall?
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Post by josh on Jun 1, 2012 7:24:19 GMT -5
HAC 46 +1 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 261 +38 192 +20 2.266 +0.281 +38 spins +20 bullet +0.281 audience
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jun 1, 2012 8:38:27 GMT -5
Is this update for pop or overall? That's overall. Hot AC continues to make up almost all (right now, 96%) of the song's AI.
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Post by josh on Jun 1, 2012 8:47:07 GMT -5
Probably more. The overall audience updates take into account some (maybe all) stations that are HAC, including (some/all of) those not on the panel.
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