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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jul 29, 2012 17:28:05 GMT -5
I don't even get why anyone is saying "calm the f**k down"-everyone in here seems calm and rational? Am I missing the freaking out, hysterical, or bashing posts?
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Post by Keelzit on Jul 29, 2012 17:34:56 GMT -5
I still think this will start to pick up in mid-August and will peak in September. Honestly, this is hurting the album more than it is helping it. One more month of this just "floating around" and only getting ahead because of songs dropping or because of songs going recurrent is only going to cause for the album sales to keep dropping. There isn't really much life left to this on radio, and while its iTunes performance is quite interesting for a song that has so little AI, I doubt its digital sales are suddenly going to just soar for this to crack platinum. Not that RCA is suddenly going to send another song for adds in 2 weeks, but an actual hit now that summer is almost over and the fourth quarter is about to begin could really, REALLY benefit sales. It's all about playing their cards right. The sooner this is over, the sooner they'll send a new song to radio and the sooner it can become a hit, which will translate into sales. The album is most likely still riding WDKY's success. I see a new single being released after January. The holiday season is 4 months away which is when I predict Dark Side to be done if it continues its steady climb. I think it'll manage a top 10 peak (#6 actually) and stay there until early November which is not a good month for a 4th single to be released, especially when none of the remaining songs are instant hits. The album sales are fine for the moment though. It'll easily scan platinum after the holiday season.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Jul 29, 2012 17:44:10 GMT -5
I don't understand how people can't see that IFY and LMD are radio candy. Either one would blow up much faster than DS or MKIA.
I too fear the 4th quarter if this continues to linger like this, which I feel like it will. And the album does suffer in a situation like that, as others have said. If it drops too far, that's all she wrote and we'll be getting crap treatment for whatever the 4th single is.
Because of this I now officially hope this starts to lose spins ASAP so that RCA is in no way tempted to skate over the holiday season.
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Post by slayZ on Jul 29, 2012 17:55:06 GMT -5
Honestly, this is hurting the album more than it is helping it. One more month of this just "floating around" and only getting ahead because of songs dropping or because of songs going recurrent is only going to cause for the album sales to keep dropping. There isn't really much life left to this on radio, and while its iTunes performance is quite interesting for a song that has so little AI, I doubt its digital sales are suddenly going to just soar for this to crack platinum. Not that RCA is suddenly going to send another song for adds in 2 weeks, but an actual hit now that summer is almost over and the fourth quarter is about to begin could really, REALLY benefit sales. It's all about playing their cards right. The sooner this is over, the sooner they'll send a new song to radio and the sooner it can become a hit, which will translate into sales. The album is most likely still riding WDKY's success. I see a new single being released after January. The holiday season is 4 months away which is when I predict Dark Side to be done if it continues its steady climb. I think it'll manage a top 10 peak (#6 actually) and stay there until early November which is not a good month for a 4th single to be released, especially when none of the remaining songs are instant hits. The album sales are fine for the moment though. It'll easily scan platinum after the holiday season. That would be the stupidest move...ever. TWO singles in one year? C'mon.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Jul 29, 2012 18:04:28 GMT -5
I see a new single being released after January. The holiday season is 4 months away which is when I predict Dark Side to be done if it continues its steady climb. I think it'll manage a top 10 peak (#6 actually) and stay there until early November which is not a good month for a 4th single to be released, especially when none of the remaining songs are instant hits. The album sales are fine for the moment though. It'll easily scan platinum after the holiday season. That would be the stupidest move...ever. TWO singles in one year? C'mon. Surely you're aware that RCA is a label that isn't exactly the quickest when it comes to releasing singles, even after flops and underperformers and whatnot. They're not going to release anything new until Dark Side finishes its run on all of Kelly's major formats, which includes Pop, Hot AC, and AC. While it may be slowing on Pop again, it's nowhere near finished overall. If it means two singles in a year to allow each single to reach its maximum potential, then so be it. The era has already been more successful than her previous one (all because of WDKY of course), so the situation really isn't as dire as you're making it out to be. I don't know why you're deeming this potential scenario as the dumbest move "ever" by a record label. I just love how whenever the updates slow for even the smallest amount of time, the LMD and/or IFY cheering squad returns to start rooting for Dark Side's death.
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Post by slayZ on Jul 29, 2012 18:18:24 GMT -5
Heh, perhaps you weren't talking about me but I never even mentioned LMD or IFY. The song has already been out for 2 months. Six more months for a song to "fully reach its potential" is ridiculous and stupid. That's 8 months of a song lingering on radio hoping it catches on while OTHER tracks keep passing it by and the song patiently waits for the songs ahead to start falling.
Kelly's major, and biggest format - the format she's aimed at, has been and STILL is Pop/CHR, regardless of how supportive AC and HOT AC are of her, as soon as her single is done on Pop radio, her label should make a move in hopes of another song catching on. Waiting for a single to be released in January is idiotic. I don't remember you, or a lot of other people for that matter, being too thrilled when RCA wasn't pushing for WDKY to be released once MKIA was done on Pop and the Holidays were just wasted.
Now, I can understand their decision to wait on WDKY, and I actually supported it, but there's still plenty of time for them to get a single out just in time for the fourth quarter so sales can begin to improve. They could even give this another month or so, but to completely waste the fourth quarter literally WAITING for Dark Side to do something else is a mistake.
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Jul 29, 2012 18:19:23 GMT -5
^I guess I'm a member of the squad. We should get jackets. But seriously, it's all in what we feel is in Kelly's and the album's best interest. Personally, I think this era has (had) the potential to be her biggest ever. Personally, I want her to have as much success and sales as possible. If that means cutting the losses then so be it. But, you're right, RCA won't.
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Post by ƒreakshow on Jul 29, 2012 19:07:22 GMT -5
Heh, perhaps you weren't talking about me but I never even mentioned LMD or IFY. The song has already been out for 2 months. Six more months for a song to "fully reach its potential" is ridiculous and stupid. That's 8 months of a song lingering on radio hoping it catches on while OTHER tracks keep passing it by and the song patiently waits for the songs ahead to start falling. Kelly's major, and biggest format - the format she's aimed at, has been and STILL is Pop/CHR, regardless of how supportive AC and HOT AC are of her, as soon as her single is done on Pop radio, her label should make a move in hopes of another song catching on. Waiting for a single to be released in January is idiotic. I don't remember you, or a lot of other people for that matter, being too thrilled when RCA wasn't pushing for WDKY to be released once MKIA was done on Pop and the Holidays were just wasted. Now, I can understand their decision to wait on WDKY, and I actually supported it, but there's still plenty of time for them to get a single out just in time for the fourth quarter so sales can begin to improve. They could even give this another month or so, but to completely waste the fourth quarter literally WAITING for Dark Side to do something else is a mistake. I wrote the IFY/LMD section apart from the paragraph where I addressed you, so no, I was not talking to you. But you do have a knack for appearing whenever Dark Side starts to slow down... I was merely addressing how the poster's proposed scenario wouldn't be such a bad thing if Dark Side ended up becoming a top 10 hit on Pop radio, her main format, a few months down the line. However, I don't know if that situation is the most realistic one to be drawing out. The era is already a success and I don't know if they'd be missing out on much by delaying the release of another single until later on to allow this to become a hit (as long as it keeps gaining consistently at a healthy rate), the momentum will be there for another single if this ends up being a hit. But like I said, I don't think that scenario is likely to occur, a peak in November or so is just way too far away. I see this picking up majorly or peaking quickly within the next month/month and a half, in which I too would hope RCA would react quickly and move on if it peaked. If it keeps up the +20/-5/+10/etc. updates for a prolonged period, then I'd start to get annoyed if they didn't move on. And yes, you are correct in remembering my displeasure with RCA sitting on WDKY until January, and releasing a new single in the height of the holiday season probably wasn't the best idea and I didn't care. My feelings were amplified due to MKIA being the first single and I didn't want its underperformance on Pop radio to affect WDKY and its run whatsoever. I saw the potential in from the very beginning, and I was eager to see them move onto it and really get the era going. Thankfully that all worked out for the best...but I don't see the situations as being all that comparable since the era's fate has already been determined, thanks to WDKY. I think the album is capable of yielding another minor hit or two, but this isn't a make or break moment for Kelly or the album, so I'm not that concerned about what path they decide to take from here on out.
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Post by dontblink on Jul 29, 2012 20:22:52 GMT -5
I still think this is going Top 10!
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Post by G-Reg on Jul 29, 2012 21:02:25 GMT -5
And this has become Kelly's 14th top 20 at pop radio! :o
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 29, 2012 21:05:40 GMT -5
And this has become Kelly's 14th top 20 at pop radio! :o Are the official mediabase updates already out? Cause I have a feeling it's gonna be #21 on the official chart...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2012 21:09:33 GMT -5
It's 20 on the official.
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Post by james on Jul 30, 2012 6:32:48 GMT -5
Today's Update CHR # 21 (-) Spins : 2676 (+20) 15.418 (-0.209)
Hot AC # 11 (-) Spins : 2772 (+28) 16.877 (+0.191)
AC # 26 (-1) Spins : 74 (-3) 0.292 (-0.002)
Overall: 35.438 (+ 0.035)
Also can someone explain how Dark Side is #21 on CHR but yet it only has 15 million AI, a mere six spots lower than We Run The Night which is nearing 40 million AI on CHR. I don't get how a song six spots higher is being heard by more than twice as many people. I guess that means songs above Kelly are in rotation by stations which attain larger AI audiences. But then again I'm not sure why CHR positions would be judged by spins - when clearly there can be large gaps between the correlation of spins and airplay.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 8:57:18 GMT -5
I mean, we run the night has over twice as many spins as this does, so it makes sense that it has over twice as much AI. Also songs go recurrent once they fall below the top 10 now, so there are likely more songs between the two than just 5. You have to look at the big picture if you're going to ask those types of questions.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jul 30, 2012 9:30:28 GMT -5
Yeah. I get the argument of AI counting more than spins do but it is what it is. I personally prefer spins but maybe it's because that is what has mattered for so long.
As for this song it may be in trouble. I finally looked at the chart and like Chris said there are a lot of songs only 600 spins away underneath that are coming up extremely fast so it looks like its definitely gonna be knocked out but it just needs to remain stable and climb up slowly. It's still possible.
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Post by josh on Jul 30, 2012 10:17:24 GMT -5
Spins are what matter at the beginning. Getting lots of spins but just decent AI is fine. Gets you in the AT40, exposure to new stations, higher on the charts, more exposure to stations, which will then lead to bigger AI gains.
Also, for the amount of spins this has, the AI lines up just fine. It's nothing to worry about at this point in time. Other songs will likely pass this, but as long as it keeps up it's slow and steady pace, things will be fine.
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Post by Bluesy on Jul 30, 2012 11:00:26 GMT -5
For a song that hasn't been promo'd at all -- I mean AT ALL! -- Dark Side is doing fine. Is Kelly even performing this on her tour? It almost seems like she's abandoned this song.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 30, 2012 11:05:26 GMT -5
For a song that hasn't been promo'd at all -- I mean AT ALL! -- Dark Side is doing fine. Is Kelly even performing this on her tour? It almost seems like she's abandoned this song. It's had two performances on television, and she opened with it on the Stronger Tour, and it's usually 4th in her current tour with The Fray.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 11:42:30 GMT -5
Is Kelly even performing this on her tour? It almost seems like she's abandoned this song.
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Post by Jay on Jul 30, 2012 11:53:21 GMT -5
She's only promoted this on TV fully once and that was before this had any airplay whatsoever. It's such a shame, because it's nearly Top 25 on iTunes from minimal AI which means the public clearly is connecting to this song. I wish radio would realize that and pick up the spins.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 11:57:59 GMT -5
Even though this is my favorite song on the album and wanted it as a single from day one, I do think they should've waited until the fall or winter to release this. It's the summer, people want to hear upbeat anthems, so I think they should've waited to release DS later and did "I Forgive You" for the summer.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 30, 2012 13:51:01 GMT -5
Even though this is my favorite song on the album and wanted it as a single from day one, I do think they should've waited until the fall or winter to release this. It's the summer, people want to hear upbeat anthems, so I think they should've waited to release DS later and did " I Forgive YouLet Me DownYou Love MeLet Me Down" for the summer. Yep.
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Post by james on Jul 30, 2012 14:56:42 GMT -5
One thing I do find disappointing is this songs performance internationally. It is no where to be seen in New Zealand and Australia (winter btw), where she was coming off two hit singles.
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Post by slamina on Jul 30, 2012 15:03:52 GMT -5
Unless things pick up dramatically, this is going to have a very difficult time making the top 10 or maybe even the top 15 for that matter. The bullet is down to 282. There's only one song in sight with a negative bullet ("One Thing") that this is soon to pass. To make matters worse, "Settle Down", "Pound the Alarm", and "One More Night" are just around the corner with 1000+ bullets and will inevitably pass "Dark Side". RCA should do something quick if they can.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2012 15:21:33 GMT -5
Unless things pick up dramatically, this is going to have a very difficult time making the top 10 or maybe even the top 15 for that matter. The bullet is down to 282. There's only one song in sight with a negative bullet ("One Thing") that this is soon to pass. To make matters worse, "Settle Down", "Pound the Alarm", and "One More Night" are just around the corner with 1000+ bullets and will inevitably pass "Dark Side". RCA should do something quick if they can. Yeah, they should send another single. This was doomed from the very beginning.
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Post by Popboi on Jul 30, 2012 16:48:31 GMT -5
not time to give up yet. Give it another week. then worry. :x
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Post by Felicia on Jul 30, 2012 21:26:16 GMT -5
lol @ this fantastic track peaking below the awfully bland Mr. Know It All. Please do not let that happen. :(
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Jul 30, 2012 22:08:15 GMT -5
I'm all for waiting another week, but RCA needs to know years an advance when to release another single. So let's start spamming them now and we'll hopefully get the next single by April 2012
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Post by josh on Jul 30, 2012 22:11:35 GMT -5
we'll hopefully get the next single by April 2012 Did I travel back in time? :O
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Post by clarksonnumber1 on Jul 31, 2012 6:46:33 GMT -5
One thing I do find disappointing is this songs performance internationally. It is no where to be seen in New Zealand and Australia (winter btw), where she was coming off two hit singles. Is it doing well in any other countries? This is the problem I had. Her Pop-Rock songs have done very well in Australia, so you were virtually guaranteed of having a hit in Australia and South Korea if they went with I Forgive You. There's no guarantee at all with Dark Side. As it is, I'm not giving up on Dark Side and I'd still like to think it'll have longevity.
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