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Post by josh on Aug 12, 2012 16:26:18 GMT -5
It's not over until it starts to lose consistently, lose more than just a couple spins, and have lost its bullet for several days.
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Post by G-Reg on Aug 12, 2012 17:41:57 GMT -5
This would have performed even worse as a 4th single, so maybe putting this out first as a top 20 hit will pave the way for IFY as a top 10 4th single. :) On the contrary. Its underperformance is not only causing the album to suffer in terms of sales, it's hurting the fourth single's run because radio will now be even more hesitant to play it. I disagree. MKIA was a relative underperformer for a lead Kelly single, but longevitized ( ) the era by allowing the second single to smash harder and pave the way for this third single. Kelly has enough recognition that if they release IFY next and promote it properly, radio will play it. Plus, the album will sell 1 mil when all is said and done so they did something right.
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Post by Pikachu. on Aug 13, 2012 5:35:35 GMT -5
22 22 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 3119 2959 160 18.412
+8 spins -21 bullet +0.243 Audience
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Post by KMJ1 on Aug 13, 2012 8:44:26 GMT -5
22 22 KELLY CLARKSON Dark Side 3119 2959 160 18.412 +8 spins -21 bullet +0.243 Audience omg lol :o at that audience increase. just..lol at these updates. Only wish it had a hotter spin increase and all would be back to semi ideal. FYI I finally heard this on the radio. It's a big market and one of the top if not the top HAC stations. They always show Kelly major love but never heard it until the other day.
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Post by Caviar on Aug 13, 2012 9:29:37 GMT -5
This song is dead. I hope RCA and/or her management comes to their senses and release "Standing In Front of You" for the fall.
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Post by Ace on Aug 13, 2012 10:15:13 GMT -5
This song is dead. I hope RCA and/or her management comes to their senses and release "Standing In Front of You" for the fall. This is just a no on all fronts. But thanks for playing.
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Post by strikeleo on Aug 13, 2012 10:18:28 GMT -5
Perhaps I am being overly naive, but I am not confident that this song is over yet. It definitely isn't over. My question is: is it worth letting this linger its way to the top 15 or top 10 while the album continually drops? Perhaps by the time the 4th single arrives, the album will be out of the top 100, and it'll be harder to bring it back.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 13, 2012 10:58:41 GMT -5
What I find sad is I don't think RCA really plans on doing much after this. It seems as if they want to just move onto the next record ASAP when there's still so much good single material left on the album. "I Forgive You," "Let Me Down," and "You Love Me" definitely should be released, but it looks like we're only going to get maybe one more single out of this album with very little promo a la "All I Ever Wanted." :(
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Post by Spidey on Aug 13, 2012 11:13:46 GMT -5
This should have been released in the fall with one of her other more uptempo songs as the summer single.
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Post by josh on Aug 13, 2012 11:29:54 GMT -5
This song is dead. I hope RCA and/or her management comes to their senses and release "Standing In Front of You" for the fall. SIFOY is one of my favorite songs on the album, but would not do well on radio at all. So bad choice for radio, good choice personally.
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Post by dbhmr on Aug 13, 2012 11:38:16 GMT -5
What I find sad is I don't think RCA really plans on doing much after this. It seems as if they want to just move onto the next record ASAP when there's still so much good single material left on the album. "I Forgive You," "Let Me Down," and "You Love Me" definitely should be released, but it looks like we're only going to get maybe one more single out of this album with very little promo a la "All I Ever Wanted." :( And I actually wouldn't mind that if it meant they were prepping for her next album to come out next year--and we know she's working on it (just not sure how aggressively, but she has one Darkchild track she's ecstatic about). I agree that there are songs with good potential left, but Dark Side has, sadly, sapped most of the energy out of this era already, and unless it rebounds in a big way, that will probably remain the case. They can toss out "You Love Me" next for all I care--the album will scan past a million at this point, and that had to be a huge priority for the project. I'd like to see her push to have music come out while she's feeling, sounding, and looking better than ever. We've never had Kelly in a creative process when she was this on point with everything, and I want to see (and hear) the results while it all lasts.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 13, 2012 11:41:36 GMT -5
Yeah, if they're just going to through a fourth I want it to be "You Love Me" simply because my favorite songs from the past three albums have been skipped over. ("Addicted," "Haunted," "If I Can't Have You"). However, "I Forgive You" is probably the best choice.
But, yeah, as long as her 6th album is coming out sometime in Q1 or Q2 of 2013 with killer material, I'm fine with them rapping up this era.
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Post by Mike on Aug 13, 2012 12:29:13 GMT -5
I'm all for "Let Me Down" as the fourth and final single. Would love to get HQ audio of her performing it on Letterman or Ellen. She always kills it on tour.
Let LMD run it's course by the end of the year. New single March/April. Album out by summer.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Aug 13, 2012 12:35:26 GMT -5
The War Is Over is my favorite song left, but it seems like Pop isn't here for Contemporary Kelly. IFY or LMD would be their best bet. And very excited if they're already looking at the next era.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 12:42:06 GMT -5
I feel as if any of TWIO/SIFOY and actually even YLM would all be seen as "Dark Side v2.0" by radio (even though none of them are) and get the same type of treatment this song has. Radio pretty much needs to see a drastic change of pace from Dark Side to jump on a 4th single. If something is thrown out that they feel is even remotely similar, they'll probably just ignore it and we'll be stuck in this same rut. Something that gives them Stronger teas such as LMD and IFY would get better treatment and probably set her up well for the next lead single.
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Post by slayZ on Aug 13, 2012 13:10:58 GMT -5
I feel as if any of TWIO/SIFOY and actually even YLM would all be seen as "Dark Side v2.0" by radio (even though none of them are) and get the same type of treatment this song has. Radio pretty much needs to see a drastic change of pace from Dark Side to jump on a 4th single. If something is thrown out that they feel is even remotely similar, they'll probably just ignore it and we'll be stuck in this same rut. Something that gives them Stronger teas such as LMD and IFY would get better treatment and probably set her up well for the next lead single. I agree. Except I think Let Me Down would be ignored by radio too. It's very dated and radio is very much over the hard(er) faux rock/pop sound. The safest choice at this point is IFY, and even then I don't really think it'd do that well after this. Dark Side killed the momentum. I know I'm probably alone in this but I think the album could really benefit from a re-release with new tracks.
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Post by dbhmr on Aug 13, 2012 13:17:25 GMT -5
I know I'm probably alone in this but I think the album could really benefit from a re-release with new tracks. If they have 2-4 solid tracks for the next album, but not enough to really get the album ready by sometime next year, I wouldn't be opposed to introducing a re-release single within the next 60 days and a Q4 re-release. They can really squeeze all the life out of this "Kelly's a decade into the business, stronger than ever, conquering pop star life (see: slimmer physique and hetero romance)" narrative. I still would prefer them quietly ending the era and ramping up the new one in the early half of next year, but I'm not really holding my breath for either of those options. History has shown that Kelly takes at least two years between albums and they never come when they are initially slated to, but I also can't imagine that RCA doesn't want to take advantage of how she's looking and feeling right now, and I'd say her name certainly has more pop weight behind it going into the next era than she had going into this one.
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Post by Jack on Aug 13, 2012 13:45:31 GMT -5
A re-release with a brand new single for the end of the year makes the most sense to me. She looks, and is in, such a different place than she was at the start of the Stronger era
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Post by slayZ on Aug 13, 2012 13:46:23 GMT -5
I know I'm probably alone in this but I think the album could really benefit from a re-release with new tracks. If they have 2-4 solid tracks for the next album, but not enough to really get the album ready by sometime next year, I wouldn't be opposed to introducing a re-release single within the next 60 days and a Q4 re-release. They can really squeeze all the life out of this "Kelly's a decade into the business, stronger than ever, conquering pop star life (see: slimmer physique and hetero romance)" narrative. I still would prefer them quietly ending the era and ramping up the new one in the early half of next year, but I'm not really holding my breath for either of those options. History has shown that Kelly takes at least two years between albums and they never come when they are initially slated to, but I also can't imagine that RCA doesn't want to take advantage of how she's looking and feeling right now, and I'd say her name certainly has more pop weight behind it going into the next era than she had going into this one. I'm sure RCA wants to take advantage of the buzz she has going for her and everything else, but I doubt things are that easy and I also doubt she's that far along into album #6. I say record 2-4 new radio friendly tracks, and release one to radio and take advantage of the holiday season. If that's the case, Dark Side could run its full course, the single could be coming out at the end of Oct and the album could be released in November. It works, but yeah, not going to happen. I don't think there's much left to do with Stronger, none of the tracks left are really that strong to follow an underperforming single. We need an insta smash at this point to help us get the momentum and buzz back, not a slow burner. Oh well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 13:49:43 GMT -5
I really hope that they'll release one more single, and give it the support it deserves instead of just throwng it to radio and watching it flop a la AIEW. It would just suck to have the era stop while Kelly is in such a good place in her life/career.
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Post by Almost Honest on Aug 13, 2012 14:13:57 GMT -5
LOL the song isn't dead and it is not "killing" the era. If we are all so worried about this song's chart performance we could all you know actually call and request the song on our radio stations or go to VH1 and vote it up on the charts. That's what the true Kelly fans will do anyway.
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Post by Au$tin on Aug 13, 2012 14:31:56 GMT -5
LOL the song isn't dead and it is not "killing" the era. If we are all so worried about this song's chart performance we could all you know actually call and request the song on our radio stations or go to VH1 and vote it up on the charts. That's what the true Kelly fans will do anyway. I remember when I was naive and thought that that's all it took.
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Post by Rand.om Gay on Aug 13, 2012 14:49:22 GMT -5
For what it's worth, after tumbling on the Z100 playlist last week, DS has rebounded to #16. Still loving this song.
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Post by james on Aug 13, 2012 15:23:58 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson, Dark Side (50,000 +6%, 291,000)
I still find it interesting that Dark Side is well on the way to passing I Do Not Hook in total sales; despite having significantly less airplay. Gotta look at the positives - It's now outsold Adam's, Kris's & Jordin's lead singles combined :)
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Post by clarksonnumber1 on Aug 13, 2012 16:23:32 GMT -5
I still think there was a lot of potential with this album, and could have been Kelly's comeback album that All I Ever Wanted was not capable of living up to. It's very unfortunate it's not looking likely at this point.
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Post by Jay on Aug 13, 2012 16:30:25 GMT -5
I think I'm going to stay out of this thread for awhile.
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Post by Honeymoon on Aug 13, 2012 16:40:58 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson, Dark Side (50,000 +6%, 291,000) I still find it interesting that Dark Side is well on the way to passing I Do Not Hook in total sales; despite having significantly less airplay. Gotta look at the positives - It's now outsold Adam's, Kris's & Jordin's lead singles combined :) It shouldn't be held to the same standards as Adam, Kris and Jordin's recent lead singles. It's following a single that is well on its way to topping 4 million sold. Limping its way to 500k is a disappoint for Kelly at this stage in her career whichever way you cut it.
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Post by bigb0882 on Aug 13, 2012 18:22:48 GMT -5
Well we all know what this means. We are back to the talk about how this is done, move on to the next single and some are even talking about moving on to the next album completely. That means tomorrow's update will be a +50 lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2012 19:02:14 GMT -5
Kelly Clarkson, Dark Side (50,000 +6%, 291,000) I still find it interesting that Dark Side is well on the way to passing I Do Not Hook in total sales; despite having significantly less airplay. Gotta look at the positives - It's now outsold Adam's, Kris's & Jordin's lead singles combined :) It shouldn't be held to the same standards as Adam, Kris and Jordin's recent lead singles. It's following a single that is well on its way to topping 4 million sold. Limping its way to 500k is a disappoint for Kelly at this stage in her career whichever way you cut it. If you're strictly talking sales though, I don't remember anyone saying it was a huge disappointment when IDNHU sold that much?
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Post by Honeymoon on Aug 13, 2012 19:41:37 GMT -5
It shouldn't be held to the same standards as Adam, Kris and Jordin's recent lead singles. It's following a single that is well on its way to topping 4 million sold. Limping its way to 500k is a disappoint for Kelly at this stage in her career whichever way you cut it. If you're strictly talking sales though, I don't remember anyone saying it was a huge disappointment when IDNHU sold that much? I'm talking overall performance. I'm not saying "Dark Side" is the biggest disappointment of her entire career but relative to her recent success it certainly underperformed. Am I wrong?
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