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Post by asg4 on Apr 1, 2012 7:45:28 GMT -5
Sorry to say they r given away. Prince also used the same argument of the cds priced into the tix, I went to the musicology concert and i saw tons of cds thrown all over the place because alot of ppl already had bought the album or had attended multiple concerts. Plus the redemption policy in this case allows each person up to 8 cds each. that doesnt make sense. if Adele is ahead with the redemptions not included it would be totally unfair for him to land #2 on the actual chart Adele isn't giving away CDs at her concerts. You buy a ticket, you can go online and enter a code and download from iTunes or get it shipped to your house. Or you can choose not to do it. She's only getting counted for CDs/downloads that people choose to redeem. It's not like you go to a Adele show and get handed a CD. anyway try not to cry about it. Even in the price concerts u were asked do u want a cd. He gave away 3millions albums thru a paper in the uk i am glad they didnt count. Next u will have albums given away with happy meals or with a smartphone and all kinda chart manipulations
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 1, 2012 7:53:17 GMT -5
Yes- the Prince deal was very different from these recent examples, in that ticket buyers did not have the option. They were given the CD at the concerts. And, since Musicology scanned more than 2 million, and maybe half of those came from album redemptions, a good number of people who went to his concerts probably didn't have the then-new album.
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Post by Adonis the DemiGod! on Apr 1, 2012 10:41:23 GMT -5
Original releases need to separated from re-releases no matter what. That un-muddies the waters. Maybe Fred Bronson needs a chart question that asks about this.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Apr 1, 2012 13:09:30 GMT -5
^What us Fred Bronson going to do about it? He hasn't worked at Billboard for years now.
Billboard is an industry magazine. They ask labels, retailers and radio how they should compile the charts.
Katy's label wants the re-release combined with the original. We are not talking big numbers here.
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Post by musictomyeyes on Apr 1, 2012 13:23:23 GMT -5
Original releases need to separated from re-releases no matter what. That un-muddies the waters. Maybe Fred Bronson needs a chart question that asks about this. Agreed. Even if a re-release only adds 1 or 2 new tracks, it should be counted separately. It's a different release. Frankly, the re-release trend that's started to catch on in the past decade is a little bit tacky, and warps an album's true sales impact. Example: Rihanna's GGGB. Two out of three of the #1's on that album weren't even on the original release. Was it really the album material from the original release that propelled that album to its sales heights, or was it the fact that it was re-released months later with two tailored-to-be-smash hits tacked on? For the sake of maintaining the integrity of the purpose of the charts - tracking which material elicits the most sales - Billboard needs to make a rule that comes down hard on re-releases.
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Post by Honeymoon on Apr 1, 2012 15:17:37 GMT -5
^What about deluxe editions then? They often include a few different tracks than the original album and are technically a different "release" (in the same way you say that re-releases are).
The BB200 would be a mess.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 16:07:37 GMT -5
I just have to say this, if it was Madonna who was going to lose out on being # 1 on the charts due to a giveaway (or "concert ticket promotion" ), this board would be filled with complaints from Madonna fans. All of the Madonna fans defending the so-called "concert ticket promotion" would be going nuts about how that giveaway robbed her of a # 1 spot. If Lionel Richie had given away his CD to everyone in the audience at his ACM concert and added those 'sales' to his total to get a # 1 spot, would that be right? No! Would Madonna fans be complaining about his being # 1 on the charts instead of Madonna? Definitely. IMO, what Prince did and what Madonna is doing now are both wrong. There is no way to excuse it. So what if the price is bumped up to include the CD? It's yet another modern way of an artist manipulating their way to a "# 1 Hit Album!" Modern chart manipulation: What's next? A "promotion" at Starbucks where a digital copy of an album is given away with the purchase of a coffee? A "promotion" where a CD is given away with the purchase of a McDonald's happy meal? ...Or a "promotion" where you get to download an album for free with the purchase of every new phone bought during the album's debut week? Should those albums (digital or physical) count towards a "# 1" ranking on the charts? In my opinion...NO! The same goes for all artists. I will say this: If it was announced that Shania Twain would be releasing a New cd and she would be doing the same giveaway (or "promotion" ) thing with Vegas tickets that Madonna is doing with her concert tickets, I would not agree with it at all. I would be disappointed and embarrassed to brag about that "# 1 Hit Album." It's not right for any artist to do it. JMO.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 1, 2012 16:15:11 GMT -5
Anyone who's complaining about MDNA's sales just wanted it to perform like Bionic. End of story.
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Post by botoxic on Apr 1, 2012 16:25:17 GMT -5
I don't think the concert redemptions are going to be the difference-maker this week. Madge would have likely been number one without them.
Take into account: After four days, LR's over-the-counter sales are ahead of M's, but it's close. LR is said to have sold an additional 20K through an appearance on HSN. M is said to have sold an additional 20K through fab.com. M sold an additional 50K in pre-orders her first day on iTunes, a number which may have approached 100K over the entire Superbowl weekend.
It's extremely preliminary to accuse someone of "manipulating" their way to #1 - we should wait until the numbers actually become available. Personally, my guess is M will have sold around 225K without the concert promotion, and another 100K or so will be added from concert sales.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 16:34:38 GMT -5
Anyone who's complaining about MDNA's sales just wanted it to perform like Bionic. End of story. No. I think a more accurate analysis of the situation is just as I've already said above: Everything is fine by Madonna (and Prince) fans as long as their artist is benefiting from the giveaway "promotion." If Madonna was looking at 2nd place behind any other artist pulling the same stunt, Madonna fans would be extremely angry. Since you (chatoyant) brought up the Christina Aguilera ("Bionic") reference, just imagine Christina doing Madonna's giveaway "promotion" and keeping Madonna from # 1. I doubt the Madonna fans around here would be defending the "promotion." I'm not a huge fan of either artist, but I can tell you the message board would be insane if that happened. Since Madonna is the one currently benefiting from the "promotion," Madonna fans are happily defending it. As I said, if she was denied a # 1 spot on the charts by any other artist doing the exact same thing she's doing, those same fans would not be defending the "promotion."
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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 1, 2012 16:37:53 GMT -5
WRONG. I wouldn't care either way. I was the only person who didn't make a fuss about Adele selling her album for 99 cents nor about Prince's situation with "Musicology" so why would I care if Adkins or Eminem did something similar to this?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 16:56:47 GMT -5
Everything is fine by Madonna (and Prince) fans as long as their artist is benefiting from the giveaway "promotion." If Madonna was looking at 2nd place behind any other artist pulling the same stunt, Madonna fans would be extremely angry. Since you (chatoyant) brought up the Christina Aguilera ("Bionic") reference, just imagine Christina doing Madonna's giveaway "promotion" and keeping Madonna from # 1. I doubt the Madonna fans around here would be defending the "promotion." I'm not a huge fan of either artist, but I can tell you the message board would be insane if that happened. Since Madonna is the one currently benefiting from the "promotion," Madonna fans are happily defending it. As I said, if she was denied a # 1 spot on the charts by any other artist doing the exact same thing she's doing, those same fans would not be defending the "promotion." While this is true, let's not act like every single fanbase doesn't do the exact same thing.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Apr 1, 2012 17:00:58 GMT -5
Anyone who's complaining about MDNA's sales just wanted it to perform like Bionic. End of story. No. I think a more accurate analysis of the situation is just as I've already said above: Everything is fine by Madonna (and Prince) fans as long as their artist is benefiting from the giveaway "promotion." If Madonna was looking at 2nd place behind any other artist pulling the same stunt, Madonna fans would be extremely angry. Since you (chatoyant) brought up the Christina Aguilera ("Bionic") reference, just imagine Christina doing Madonna's giveaway "promotion" and keeping Madonna from # 1. I doubt the Madonna fans around here would be defending the "promotion." I'm not a huge fan of either artist, but I can tell you the message board would be insane if that happened. Since Madonna is the one currently benefiting from the "promotion," Madonna fans are happily defending it. As I said, if she was denied a # 1 spot on the charts by any other artist doing the exact same thing she's doing, those same fans would not be defending the "promotion." What M adonna fan in here said they were thrilled about this giveaway promotion? All the fans on here want her to succeed on her own merits. No M adonna fan on here is being smug about this situation so why the sudden stamping of the feet? The general consensus around here was that M adonna was on her way to bombing and up until last week, everyone was under the assumption (INCLUDING M adonna fans) that her concert ticket promotion wasn't going to help her much, since it has been so menial in the past (that's quoting Billboard). Now that it's shown to have helped her more, all of a sudden it's this big issue? Give me a break.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 17:12:13 GMT -5
No. I think a more accurate analysis of the situation is just as I've already said above: Everything is fine by Madonna (and Prince) fans as long as their artist is benefiting from the giveaway "promotion." If Madonna was looking at 2nd place behind any other artist pulling the same stunt, Madonna fans would be extremely angry. Since you (chatoyant) brought up the Christina Aguilera ("Bionic") reference, just imagine Christina doing Madonna's giveaway "promotion" and keeping Madonna from # 1. I doubt the Madonna fans around here would be defending the "promotion." I'm not a huge fan of either artist, but I can tell you the message board would be insane if that happened. Since Madonna is the one currently benefiting from the "promotion," Madonna fans are happily defending it. As I said, if she was denied a # 1 spot on the charts by any other artist doing the exact same thing she's doing, those same fans would not be defending the "promotion." What Adele fan in here said they were thrilled about this giveaway promotion? All the fans on here want her to succeed on her own merits. No Adele fan on here is being smug about this situation so why the sudden stamping of the feet? The general consensus around here was that Adele was on her way to bombing and up until last week, everyone was under the assumption (INCLUDING Adele fans) that her concert ticket promotion wasn't going to help her much, since it has been so menial in the past (that's quoting Billboard). Now that it's shown to have helped her more, all of a sudden it's this big issue? Give me a break. I've always felt it was a big issue. I haven't posted 50 times in this thread about it, but I do feel it's a big issue. IMO, it's a big issue no matter who does it. Some others have indicated they also feel it's a big issue. Most have, shockingly, been far too accepting of the "promotion" boost. As I said, if Shania Twain pulled the same stunt, I would feel the same way. It's not right. Again, as I've said before, now that Prince and Madonna have successfully done giveaways (or "promotions" ) that put them at # 1...What's next? I've already posted some examples of possible future "promotions" that will likely happen at some point: One or ALL of those scenarios are now likely to happen. None of them should be accepted by Billboard. Billboard should not have accepted what Prince and Madonna have done as "promotions," but Billboard did allow it. Now, the door is wide open for other artists/labels to take advantage and come up with "promotions" to get a "# 1 hit album." It will be interesting to see how Madonna fans...and fans of other artists...will feel when that happens.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 17:15:30 GMT -5
Didn't the Prince thing happen almost a decade ago or am I thinking of the wrong album? Let's not act like it's some hot new trend.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 17:15:49 GMT -5
If Adele was the one doing this then the Adele fans would be mad but still even if Adele did it Adele would be mad at Adele. And also Adele.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 17:21:14 GMT -5
I don't think the concert redemptions are going to be the difference-maker this week. Madge would have likely been number one without them. Take into account: After four days, LR's over-the-counter sales are ahead of M's, but it's close. LR is said to have sold an additional 20K through an appearance on HSN. M is said to have sold an additional 20K through fab.com. M sold an additional 50K in pre-orders her first day on iTunes, a number which may have approached 100K over the entire Superbowl weekend. It's extremely preliminary to accuse someone of "manipulating" their way to #1 - we should wait until the numbers actually become available. Personally, my guess is M will have sold around 225K without the concert promotion, and another 100K or so will be added from concert sales. The problem with that analysis is that Billboard has already confirmed that a "significant" amount of Madonna's sales have come through Madonna's giveaway "promotion." Billboard even put Lionel Richie at # 1 instead of Madonna based on actual sales. The "promotion" amount added to Madonna's total is "significant" and is what will likely put Madonna at # 1. Also, Lionel Richie has outsold Madonna all week. In addition to outselling Madonna through physical sales, I've read articles that said Lionel Richie was # 1 on iTunes. Lionel Richie has also continued to be # 1 on Amazon since his CD was released. In fact, as I'm typing this, Lionel remains at # 1 on Amazon.He has outsold her, but...according to Billboard...a "significant" number of Madonna's 'sales' from her "promotion" will put her at # 1. The Billboard article was likely already posted on this thread, but here it is :Madonna, Lionel Richie Aiming for Top Two on Billboard 200by Adele Caulfield, L.A. | March 30, 2012 8:04 EDT As previously reported, Madonna's "MDNA" and Lionel Richie's "Tuskegee" are on track to debut at Nos. 1 and 2, respectively, on next week's Billboard 200 chart. Meanwhile, rock band Shinedown is also on track for a top 10 debut with its latest studio set "Amaryllis" while Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream" will likely zip back to the top 10. Industry sources suggest that Madonna's 12th studio album will sell over 300,000 copies by the end of the tracking week on Sunday, April 1. Richie's all-star country collaborations album could shift 140,000 to 160,000. Shinedown may move something close to 100,000 copies. Perry's "Teenage Dream" could zoom back to the upper region thanks to the release of the "Complete Confection" edition of the album, which includes bonus tracks and her recent Hot 100 No. 1 "Part of Me." The new Billboard 200 chart's top 10 will be revealed on the morning of Wednesday, April 4. On Nielsen SoundScan's Building chart (below), Richie's "Tuskegee" is No. 1, followed by Madonna's "MDNA" and Shinedown's "Amaryllis." The Building tally is a precursor to the final Billboard 200 ranking -- reflecting the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week as reported by six major merchants. The ranking is deceiving though, as a chunk of Madonna's sales aren't factored into the Building Chart yet, so she and Richie will likely switch positions on the final Billboard 200 album chart. ("MDNA" has a significant number of sales from non-traditional outlets, including those from a concert ticket/album promotion.) Adele's never-say-die album "21" is No. 4 on the Building Chart, while "The Hunger Games" soundtrack is No. 5. One Direction's "Up All Night" is No. 6, Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream" is in the No. 7 slot and the Used's new "Vulnerable" is No. 8. Bruce Sprignsteen's "Wrecking Ball" (No. 9) and Luke Bryan's "Tailgates & Tanlines" (No. 10) round out the top 10. Nielsen SoundScan Building ChartRank LW....-Artist-....-Title- BB 200 1 NEW Lionel Richie - "Tuskegee" 2 NEW Madonna - "MDNA" 3 NEW Shinedown - "Amaryllis" 4 2 Adele - "21" 5 1 Soundtrack - "The Hunger Games" 6 4 One Direction - "Up All Night" 7 31 Katy Perry - "Teenage Dream" 8 NEW The Used - "Vulnerable" 9 6 Bruce Springsteen - "Wrecking Ball" 10 16 Luke Bryan - "Tailgates & Tanlines" The Building Chart reflects the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week (which ends Sunday) as reported by six major merchants: iTunes, Trans World Entertainment, Best Buy, Starbucks, Target and Anderson Merchandisers. Billboard estimates that they make up about 85% of all U.S. album sales.Billboard.com
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 17:24:34 GMT -5
OFF Topic: This "Adele" stuff is annoying and stupid.
April Fool's Day or not, it needs to stop.
Back to the chart/sales topic at hand...
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Post by asg4 on Apr 1, 2012 17:29:25 GMT -5
Prince album peak wasnt effected by the giveaways,The album would have peaked at #3 even without the giveaways. But that was back in 2004 album sales were not this low and if that promotion had taken place today he might have bounced back to #1 several times and robbed many ppl from reaching #1
I think it was wrong to count the albums as real sales and I thought billboard had banned the practice of counting give aways. I was very surprised to see 3-4 days back that these albums were going to count. \ Bon Jovi was not a give away but a add on option to ticket sales which meant u paid $10 extra to get the download which is totally fair and legit. This redemption practice will lead to creative marketing from others very soon. Next time i go to Mcdonalds and order a fish fillet combo i will be asked do u want the new kanye/ jayZ of course i will accept it since it wont cost me a penny.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 17:35:40 GMT -5
That's the funny thing about this though. It isn't going to be something your run of the mill pop artist is even going to be able to do. This is (supposedly) an issue because only Madonna, who is one of the biggest touring acts in the world, could do a touring/album promotion like this an have it actually affect sales significantly. If artist X, who manipulates the charts and is looking for a way to sell more albums rather than their normal digital downloads, does it it's not going to matter because they can probably barely sell out county fairs anyway. If anything, Madonna is among artists like the Rolling Stones and Bruce Springsteen when she does this, not your artist X and Ys that Pulse cares about.
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Post by botoxic on Apr 1, 2012 17:46:55 GMT -5
I don't think the concert redemptions are going to be the difference-maker this week. Madge would have likely been number one without them. Take into account: After four days, LR's over-the-counter sales are ahead of M's, but it's close. LR is said to have sold an additional 20K through an appearance on HSN. M is said to have sold an additional 20K through fab.com. M sold an additional 50K in pre-orders her first day on iTunes, a number which may have approached 100K over the entire Superbowl weekend. It's extremely preliminary to accuse someone of "manipulating" their way to #1 - we should wait until the numbers actually become available. Personally, my guess is M will have sold around 225K without the concert promotion, and another 100K or so will be added from concert sales. The problem with that analysis is that Billboard has already confirmed that a "significant" amount of Madonna's sales have come through Madonna's giveaway "promotion." Billboard even put Lionel Richie at # 1 instead of Madonna based on actual sales. The "promotion" amount added to Madonna's total is "significant" and is what will likely put Madonna at # 1. Also, Lionel Richie has outsold Madonna all week. In addition to outselling Madonna through physical sales, I've read articles that said Lionel Richie was # 1 on iTunes. Lionel Richie has also continued to be # 1 on Amazon since his CD was released. In fact, as I'm typing this, Lionel remains at # 1 on Amazon.He has outsold her, but...according to Billboard...a "significant" number of Madonna's 'sales' from her "promotion" will put her at # 1. You are correct that Billboard stated LR has outsold M "over the counter" for the first four days and appears to also be doing so during the current week on iTunes. That does NOT take into account the massive number of online pre-orders for MDNA, which are LEGITIMATE sales and will likely place it at number one over LR, regardless of the concert promotion. Prince's Musicology did not even hit #1 on the Billboard 200, and MDNA will not hit #1 due solely to the concert promotion. Your facts are faulty.
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Post by asg4 on Apr 1, 2012 18:01:45 GMT -5
The problem with that analysis is that Billboard has already confirmed that a "significant" amount of Madonna's sales have come through Madonna's giveaway "promotion." Billboard even put Lionel Richie at # 1 instead of Madonna based on actual sales. The "promotion" amount added to Madonna's total is "significant" and is what will likely put Madonna at # 1. Also, Lionel Richie has outsold Madonna all week. In addition to outselling Madonna through physical sales, I've read articles that said Lionel Richie was # 1 on iTunes. Lionel Richie has also continued to be # 1 on Amazon since his CD was released. In fact, as I'm typing this, Lionel remains at # 1 on Amazon.He has outsold her, but...according to Billboard...a "significant" number of Madonna's 'sales' from her "promotion" will put her at # 1. You are correct that Billboard stated LR has outsold M "over the counter" for the first four days and appears to also be doing so during the current week on iTunes. That does NOT take into account the massive number of online pre-orders for MDNA, which are LEGITIMATE sales and will likely place it at number one over LR, regardless of the concert promotion. Prince's Musicology did not even hit #1 on the Billboard 200, and MDNA will not hit #1 due solely to the concert promotion. Your facts are faulty. I am almost certain that pre-orders are included thats the first thing they will include in the building chart and its not non-traditional. If Lionel is robbed of the #1 it will lead to alot of outrage
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 18:06:04 GMT -5
Back in 2004 when Prince's label was bundling copies of his album with tickets, I think what made Billboard change their policy was that the album was basically going to stabilize on the chart for the duration of his tour. Was that reflecting the popularity of his album or the popularity of his live shows? It's a bit misleading to have an album spending months in the Top 5 when the majority of people who go to see Prince live are primarily more interested in his older material.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 18:06:59 GMT -5
The problem with that analysis is that Billboard has already confirmed that a "significant" amount of Madonna's sales have come through Madonna's giveaway "promotion." Billboard even put Lionel Richie at # 1 instead of Madonna based on actual sales. The "promotion" amount added to Madonna's total is "significant" and is what will likely put Madonna at # 1. Also, Lionel Richie has outsold Madonna all week. In addition to outselling Madonna through physical sales, I've read articles that said Lionel Richie was # 1 on iTunes. Lionel Richie has also continued to be # 1 on Amazon since his CD was released. In fact, as I'm typing this, Lionel remains at # 1 on Amazon.He has outsold her, but...according to Billboard...a "significant" number of Madonna's 'sales' from her "promotion" will put her at # 1. You are correct that Billboard stated LR has outsold M "over the counter" for the first four days and appears to also be doing so during the current week on iTunes. That does NOT take into account the massive number of online pre-orders for MDNA, which are LEGITIMATE sales and will likely place it at number one over LR, regardless of the concert promotion. Prince's Musicology did not even hit #1 on the Billboard 200, and MDNA will not hit #1 due solely to the concert promotion. Your facts are faulty. They are not MY facts. They are Billboard's facts. According to Billboard, roughly 85% of the sales show that Lionel Richie is clearly # 1. In addition, Lionel is leading the sales on iTunes and Amazon. Billboard has said a "significant" amount of Madonna's sales will be coming from her giveaway "promotion." Again, those are not MY facts. Those are facts from Billboard. (For the record, I don't own either the Lionel CD or Madonna CD. My opinion would remain the same if artist X was being denied a # 1 spot by Madonna's giveaway "promotion." Even if I dislike the artist who is being denied the # 1, I still would not support Madonna's "promotion.") Billboard Rules - Now and In The Future:The fact is that artists will continue to do these giveaway "promotions" to manipulate the charts until the rules are changed. When the rule is finally changed, I'm sure it will be controversial and done at the wrong time. I think this will cause a major problem in the future and the artist who attempts this type of Madonna "promotion" thing will be suddenly denied a # 1 spot due to poor timing by Billboard. Right now, Madonna is the beneficiary of a big loophole in the chart rules. Unfortunately, another artist will ultimately pay the price for following in her footsteps. It will happen. Until then...there's nothing anyone can do about it.
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Post by botoxic on Apr 1, 2012 18:18:30 GMT -5
You are correct that Billboard stated LR has outsold M "over the counter" for the first four days and appears to also be doing so during the current week on iTunes. That does NOT take into account the massive number of online pre-orders for MDNA, which are LEGITIMATE sales and will likely place it at number one over LR, regardless of the concert promotion. Prince's Musicology did not even hit #1 on the Billboard 200, and MDNA will not hit #1 due solely to the concert promotion. Your facts are faulty. They are not MY facts. They are Billboard's facts. According to Billboard, roughly 85% of the sales show that Lionel Richie is clearly # 1. In addition, Lionel is leading the sales on iTunes and Amazon. Billboard has said a "significant" amount of Madonna's sales will be coming from her giveaway "promotion." Again, those are not MY facts. Those are facts from Billboard. The building chart represents 85% of sales on any given "normal" week - it would not take into account over 50,000 online pre-orders. You don't have any true numbers to base your argument upon, and neither do I. Until those are available, discussing the issue with you is pointless. All will become clear in just a few days. ;)
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Post by asg4 on Apr 1, 2012 18:28:43 GMT -5
They are not MY facts. They are Billboard's facts. According to Billboard, roughly 85% of the sales show that Lionel Richie is clearly # 1. In addition, Lionel is leading the sales on iTunes and Amazon. Billboard has said a "significant" amount of Madonna's sales will be coming from her giveaway "promotion." Again, those are not MY facts. Those are facts from Billboard. The building chart represents 85% of sales on any given "normal" week - it would not take into account over 50,000 online pre-orders. You don't have any true numbers to base your argument upon, and neither do I. Until those are available, discussing the issue with you is pointless. All will become clear in just a few days. ;) All the pre-orders r included. concert give aways r not included nor the fab.com nor is HSN
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Post by musictomyeyes on Apr 1, 2012 18:33:57 GMT -5
^What about deluxe editions then? They often include a few different tracks than the original album and are technically a different "release" (in the same way you say that re-releases are). The BB200 would be a mess. How would it be a mess? It would be no more of mess than the iTunes chart. And yes, "deluxe" editions should count separately, too. Prior to this past decade, "deluxe editions" were almost unheard of, and if they *were* released, it was generally as a part of some sort of limited-edition fan pack. At the very least, a rule change would make record companies think twice about making music fans pay 17.99 to get the body of work that's actually complete, as opposed to paying less for what are often half-baked "standard" or "first" editions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 18:58:03 GMT -5
They are not MY facts. They are Billboard's facts. According to Billboard, roughly 85% of the sales show that Lionel Richie is clearly # 1. In addition, Lionel is leading the sales on iTunes and Amazon. Billboard has said a "significant" amount of Madonna's sales will be coming from her giveaway "promotion." Again, those are not MY facts. Those are facts from Billboard. The building chart represents 85% of sales on any given "normal" week - it would not take into account over 50,000 online pre-orders. You don't have any true numbers to base your argument upon, and neither do I. Until those are available, discussing the issue with you is pointless. All will become clear in just a few days. ;) asg4 has already commented on the "SoundScan Building Chart" regarding the counting of Pre-Orders. So, I will just say this again: As Billboard said, Madonna's giveaway "promotion" numbers are "significant" and are not included in the "Building Chart." Those giveaway "promotion" numbers will be what puts her at # 1. We'll see in the coming weeks how Madonna's album will fare in terms of longevity. Easter may help sustain the album a little bit, but after that...we'll see. Moving on...
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Post by seaguy27 on Apr 1, 2012 18:58:11 GMT -5
This argument is absurd. Most people who are shelling out the bucks for tickets to see Madonna in concert which are not cheap would have purchased the album anyway. So silly to think they would not have.
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Post by chartfreak on Apr 1, 2012 19:00:12 GMT -5
This is idiotic..IF THE CONSUMER HAS TO MAKE A CHOICE TO RECEIEVE THE CD, you can not throw out words like manipulation. I'm sorry. You're just trying to make somethig out of nothing.
Billboard has not ued the word "giveaway" in the articles, because these "sales" are not "free" and not "given away"
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