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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 8:58:39 GMT -5
I think Easter sales might soften the second week drop a bit. 3rd week on the other hand..
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 31, 2012 9:09:44 GMT -5
Going back to Prince's Musicology (which prompted the chart rule on ticket/album purchases), that album opened at No. 3 with with 191,000-6% (12,600) were from ticket/album bundles. When the album was up to 633,000 scanned, roughly 25% of that total was from albums distributed at his concerts. Of the 2 million-plus the album has scanned to date, I gather that some 50% came from concert distributions?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 9:46:27 GMT -5
I always thought it was stupid that Billboard counted #1's from a re-release as part of the original album in the first place so I'm glad they changed it. That said though, what would you have Billboard do? Take away Rihanna's, Mariah's and Usher's #1's that they got from their re-releases how many years ago retroactively? Get real. Billboard doesn't tend to change records retroactively. But considering Rihanna, Mariah, and Usher didn't break any records with their re-release #1s, I don't think it matters. The only "record" Billboard reported on any of those re-release #1s was that Confessions was the first album to score 4 #1 hits since Mariah Carey's debut album in 1990. Katy surpassed that even with the original version of Teenage Dream. Bad had 7 singles off of it too, by the way... Obviously just a desperate attempt to extend his own record, so I don't see why Katy can't fight fire with fire. Thriller had 7 singles. Bad had 7 singles. Dangerous had 7 singles. Rhythm Nation had 8 singles. Born In The USA had 7 singles. I guess they were all desperate... Considering they kept having hits (off the ORIGINAL release of the album no less), I don't see what the issue was with releasing more singles... It's different than putting brand new songs out and claiming they're part of the original release in order to break records..
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 31, 2012 9:51:16 GMT -5
^Agreed. Sidenote: RN had eight radio singles, but, as we know, the eighth was not released commercially.
And, it looks like Billboard is lumping the new Perry release with Teenage Dream. I thought that, based on what BB had said, that it would be treated as a separate release.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 9:58:22 GMT -5
They never said they were going to do that. They also said there was not a "policy change" here.
They were simply stating the obvious
'Bad' had 5 #1's in 1 release 'Teenage Dream' had 5 #1's in release #1
This is the record for 1 release and apparently will be for some time
Nothing dramatic happened here other than they are simply stating he obvious
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 31, 2012 10:03:37 GMT -5
This new release has an altered name and everything, though, so even if BB didn't state that it would be a different release, I thought it would be treated as a separate release. Ah well.
Are there any examples of BB charting a re-release separate from the original album, other than Mary J. Blige's No More Drama?
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 31, 2012 10:09:13 GMT -5
Betty Donahue, class of 1989, from Appleton Wisconsin who has 3 kids and a Volvo probably isn't tech savvy enough to realize she has a free album to redeem with her Madonna ticket - and these are the kind of people who go to Madonna concerts. It isn't always 30-something gay guys with disposable income.
This comment is just.....anyway....You really think people buying tickets on Ticketmaster are idiots that they don't know how to read an email and just click a button to get their copy of the cd?
As Holidayguy posted...the Tom Petty article stated that the redemptions were very high. If a majority of Madonna's sales come from this scenario, it would make sense, as the Promo to drive people to purchase online and go to the store was non existent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 10:13:08 GMT -5
This new release has an altered name and everything, though, so even if BB didn't state that it would be a different release, I thought it would be treated as a separate release. Ah well. Are there any examples of BB charting a re-release separate from the original album, other than Mary J. Blige's No More Drama? At one point there was a rule about special editions being distinctly different albums. They also had criteria about # of new songs and so forth Mary J Blige reissue was distinctly different than the first
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 10:17:44 GMT -5
This new release has an altered name and everything, though, so even if BB didn't state that it would be a different release, I thought it would be treated as a separate release. Ah well. Are there any examples of BB charting a re-release separate from the original album, other than Mary J. Blige's No More Drama? At one point there was a rule about special editions being distinctly different albums. They also had criteria about # of new songs and so forth Mary J Blige reissue was distinctly different than the first The reason Mary's versions were counted separately was because MCA actually removed songs from the original edition for the re-release.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 10:31:45 GMT -5
random fact: lionel richie was in truth or dare visiting m backstage
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 31, 2012 10:57:15 GMT -5
Madonna and Lionel should hold a joint press conference this week celebrating their #1 and #2 positions.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Mar 31, 2012 12:06:29 GMT -5
Is it Sunday when Hits percentages begin for the week? Are physicals counted first and digitals toward the final? If that's the case, I believe Lionel will be on top when they begin. Maybe.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 31, 2012 12:07:56 GMT -5
^HITS posts first numbers Monday afternoon.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 31, 2012 12:16:07 GMT -5
Ok so I'm confused. Are redemption rates for ticket promos high of low? For months now, I've seen ppl cite a Billboard article saying they were low, and now HolidayGuy's articles make them sound pretty significant - so which is it? Cuz if they are high, then yes, Madonna's first week is gonna be inflated and it's gonna look bad on week 2.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Mar 31, 2012 12:17:47 GMT -5
^HITS posts first numbers Monday afternoon. Thanks :)
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Post by spooky21 on Mar 31, 2012 12:29:50 GMT -5
Going back to Prince's Musicology (which prompted the chart rule on ticket/album purchases), that album opened at No. 3 with with 191,000-6% (12,600) were from ticket/album bundles. When the album was up to 633,000 scanned, roughly 25% of that total was from albums distributed at his concerts. Of the 2 million-plus the album has scanned to date, I gather that some 50% came from concert distributions? Given that Madonna is trailing Richie on the building sales chart from traditional outlet reporting and he's only projected to sell 140 - 160K and she 325 - 350K, I would say her redemption rate is probably between 35 - 45% of her first week. The rest is probably strong pre-orders from the Superbowl connection.
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Post by spooky21 on Mar 31, 2012 12:33:50 GMT -5
Ok so I'm confused. Are redemption rates for ticket promos high of low? For months now, I've seen ppl cite a Billboard article saying they were low, and now HolidayGuy's articles make them sound pretty significant - so which is it? Cuz if they are high, then yes, Madonna's first week is gonna be inflated and it's gonna look bad on week 2. Billboard, in their album preview article, is saying the impact is pretty significant for Madonna.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 31, 2012 12:40:29 GMT -5
All it says is that in a large portion of the sales not being looked at, the redemption promo is included, it doesn't say how much of it. I think if it were such a drastic number like 50%, they'd mention that.
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Post by spooky21 on Mar 31, 2012 12:45:42 GMT -5
All it says is that in a large portion of the sales not being looked at, the redemption promo is included, it doesn't say how much of it. I think if it were such a drastic number like 50%, they'd mention that. I don't think they know yet until the final data is reported next week, however from the article HG posted, we know it'll be at the very least 25%. Petty scored his biggest first week driven by those sales so his rate was likely much higher. If non mainstream artists like Petty and Prince made out that well, Madonna is sure to eclipse given that her audience probably skews younger and more mainstream.
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Post by leoapp on Mar 31, 2012 12:55:17 GMT -5
Billboard stated that Confessions was the first album to score 4 #1s since Mariah Carey's debut album. So, they counted My Boo (which was from re-released) as the #1 from original release. So, they should've counted Part Of Me as 6th #1s from Teenage Dream, right? And that's a new record, beating MJ's record. Especially how the sales from Teenage Dream and its re-release are not separated.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 31, 2012 13:03:39 GMT -5
All it says is that in a large portion of the sales not being looked at, the redemption promo is included, it doesn't say how much of it. I think if it were such a drastic number like 50%, they'd mention that. I don't think they know yet until the final data is reported next week, however from the article HG posted, we know it'll be at the very least 25%. Petty scored his biggest first week driven by those sales so his rate was likely much higher. If non mainstream artists like Petty and Prince made out that well, Madonna is sure to eclipse given that her audience probably skews younger and more mainstream. true. On the bright side there are no time limits for the album redemptio so maybe this promo will help the album sell steadily into the future especially since we know she's not getting a hit anytime soon.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 31, 2012 14:13:24 GMT -5
Yah- the redemptions can occur at any time. I'm sure a good amount will come in the first week, but there will be thousands and thousands who get tickets, that will have not gotten the album in the first week.
Historically, album-redemption rates have been low, per a BB staffer, but some acts would be the exception.
Billboard never mentioned specific numbers or percentages for Tom Petty's album; IDJ reported the Bon Jovi numbers for a Billboard article. So, I don't know if Billboard weill give actual numbers/percentages for MDNA in the coming week.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 31, 2012 14:21:15 GMT -5
i haven't gotten my tickets yet, and i will redeem for sure. :)
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Post by asg4 on Mar 31, 2012 23:32:29 GMT -5
Going back to Prince's Musicology (which prompted the chart rule on ticket/album purchases), that album opened at No. 3 with with 191,000-6% (12,600) were from ticket/album bundles. When the album was up to 633,000 scanned, roughly 25% of that total was from albums distributed at his concerts. Of the 2 million-plus the album has scanned to date, I gather that some 50% came from concert distributions? Prince case is totally different coz the week he released the album he only had one tour date that week coz he was busy promoting the album. but the other weeks he had 3-5 tour dates per week. The albums given away b4 the official release of the album werent not counted. Lets be fair these were give aways yes ppl buy expensive tix but these r given aways i dont think they should have have counted them. Bill board made a mistake with prince i think they should remove this from his total. Another thing to keep in mind is prince give aways didnt impact the max chart position he would have still peaked at #3 without the giveaways but with Adele it will impact the chart position. Bon jovis promotion of buyin the album 4 $9.99 along with the tix is very different from madonnas or tom pettys
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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 31, 2012 23:45:20 GMT -5
Going back to Prince's Musicology (which prompted the chart rule on ticket/album purchases), that album opened at No. 3 with with 191,000-6% (12,600) were from ticket/album bundles. When the album was up to 633,000 scanned, roughly 25% of that total was from albums distributed at his concerts. Of the 2 million-plus the album has scanned to date, I gather that some 50% came from concert distributions? Prince case is totally different coz the week he released the album he only have only one tour date that week coz he was busy promoting the album. but the other weeks he had 3-5 tour dates per week. The albums given away b4 the official release of the album werent not counted. Lets be fair these were give aways yes ppl buy expensive tix but these r given aways i dont think they should have have counted them. Bill board made a mistake with prince i think they should remove this from his total. Another thing to keep in mind is prince give aways didnt impact the max chart position he would have still peaked at #3 without the giveaways but with Adele it will impact the chart position they're not give aways - the price of the album is tacked onto the ticket. So they're more liked forced-buys. And they only count if the customer redeems them. Which is fair enough.
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Post by asg4 on Apr 1, 2012 0:03:45 GMT -5
Prince case is totally different coz the week he released the album he only have only one tour date that week coz he was busy promoting the album. but the other weeks he had 3-5 tour dates per week. The albums given away b4 the official release of the album werent not counted. Lets be fair these were give aways yes ppl buy expensive tix but these r given aways i dont think they should have have counted them. Bill board made a mistake with prince i think they should remove this from his total. Another thing to keep in mind is prince give aways didnt impact the max chart position he would have still peaked at #3 without the giveaways but with Adele it will impact the chart position they're not give aways - the price of the album is tacked onto the ticket. So they're more liked forced-buys. And they only count if the customer redeems them. Which is fair enough. Sorry to say they r given away. Prince also used the same argument of the cds priced into the tix, I went to the musicology concert and i saw tons of cds thrown all over the place because alot of ppl already had bought the album or had attended multiple concerts. Plus the redemption policy in this case allows each person up to 8 cds each. that doesnt make sense. if lionel is ahead with the redemptions not included it would be totally unfair for him to land #2 on the actual chart
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Post by chartfreak on Apr 1, 2012 0:20:45 GMT -5
Are the lame excuses starting already.
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Post by Tea-why on Apr 1, 2012 0:44:29 GMT -5
Wow, there's a lot of singers with the first name Adele!!
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Post by closeyoureyes on Apr 1, 2012 1:29:01 GMT -5
they're not give aways - the price of the album is tacked onto the ticket. So they're more liked forced-buys. And they only count if the customer redeems them. Which is fair enough. Sorry to say they r given away. Prince also used the same argument of the cds priced into the tix, I went to the musicology concert and i saw tons of cds thrown all over the place because alot of ppl already had bought the album or had attended multiple concerts. Plus the redemption policy in this case allows each person up to 8 cds each. that doesnt make sense. if Adele is ahead with the redemptions not included it would be totally unfair for him to land #2 on the actual chart Adele isn't giving away CDs at her concerts. You buy a ticket, you can go online and enter a code and download from iTunes or get it shipped to your house. Or you can choose not to do it. She's only getting counted for CDs/downloads that people choose to redeem. It's not like you go to a Adele show and get handed a CD. anyway try not to cry about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2012 4:40:37 GMT -5
Bad had 7 singles off of it too, by the way... Obviously just a desperate attempt to extend his own record, so I don't see why Adele can't fight fire with fire. How do you know? Many albums from the 80s had many singles released. Janet Jackson had 7 singles released from Control (1986-87) and 8 from Rhythm Nation (1989-91) and later even from her janet. album (1993-94), for example. Bad had 7 singles off of it too, by the way... Obviously just a desperate attempt to extend his own record, so I don't see why Adele can't fight fire with fire. Thriller had 7 singles. Bad had 7 singles. Dangerous had 7 singles. Rhythm Nation had 8 singles. Born In The USA had 7 singles. I guess they were all desperate... Considering they kept having hits (off the ORIGINAL release of the album no less), I don't see what the issue was with releasing more singles... It's different than putting brand new songs out and claiming they're part of the original release in order to break records.. I guess sarcasm doesn't translate well through the internet, though I guess the One Direction thread should have taught me that already. No one is desperate. Every other album with lots of #1's had 7-8 singles, but Katy already started getting flack when she released a sixth one. They might have released Part of Me partly to get the record, but I think it makes sense from a business point of view as well. 6 very succesful singles, and they've run out of radio friendly songs from the album, so they release a Dr. Luke track while they can, so they can work on her new album while they keep the hype up.
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