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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 30, 2012 22:24:39 GMT -5
MJ in all fairness did not rerelease his album and add more new songs to it after it had been out for a few years either. It is really not comparible. but it's also equally unfair that Rihanna, Mariah, and Usher get to keep their certifications, but Katy does not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 22:27:12 GMT -5
Katy won't be getting 3xp anytime soon....
Wait.. who said anything about certifications? That's RIAA's decision, not Billboard.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 30, 2012 22:35:03 GMT -5
Katy won't be getting 3xp anytime soon.... Wait.. who said anything about certifications? That's RIAA's decision, not Billboard. well i meant they get to still be known as albums having all the #1's count towards the original album.
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Post by leoapp on Mar 30, 2012 22:46:45 GMT -5
MJ in all fairness did not rerelease his album and add more new songs to it after it had been out for a few years either. It is really not comparible. but it's also equally unfair that Rihanna, Mariah, and Usher get to keep their certifications, but Katy does not. Yes, Rihanna, Mariah and Usher re-released their albums and the #1s coming from that re-released were considered as #1s from the original albums. It's not fair for Katy. She should've broken MJ's record to have 6 #1s from an album.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 23:52:15 GMT -5
I always thought it was stupid that Billboard counted #1's from a re-release as part of the original album in the first place so I'm glad they changed it.
That said though, what would you have Billboard do? Take away Rihanna's, Mariah's and Usher's #1's that they got from their re-releases how many years ago retroactively?
Get real.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 23:57:52 GMT -5
but it's also equally unfair that Rihanna, Mariah, and Usher get to keep their certifications, but Katy does not. Yes, Rihanna, Mariah and Usher re-released their albums and the #1s coming from that re-released were considered as #1s from the original albums. It's not fair for Katy. She should've broken MJ's record to have 6 #1s from an album. She does have the record for most #1''s from an album. She is tied for the record for most #1's from a single release
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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 31, 2012 0:14:57 GMT -5
I guess it all comes down to who was more of a cheater in this case. Was it Katy and her team for suddenly deciding to re-release her album after 6 (!!!) singles in an attempt to break Michael's record? Or was it Billboard for suddenly altering their rules so she couldn't do it?
The whole situation is ridiculous IMO. I can't believe Katy couldn't just be satisfied with 5 #1's and a #3 song from ONE ALBUM. It was like she started releasing music just to break a stupid record - one set by Michael Jackson no less. Katy, just please. You've only been a big time pop star for 4 years, lol.
The irony is that I really like Katy and have NEVER cared for Michael Jackson (his legacy is undeniable but all his music post Thriller is just overrated and dreadful to me). But her flogging a 2 year old album and chasing chart peaks is not only tiresome and some Mariah Carey/Lady Gaga ish, it's also not entirely beneficial to her career. She needs to duck out, maybe film a cameo or two in a movie, and work hard on an album that refurbishes her sound and relaunches her image. All sans the factory pop from Dr. Luke, showcasing some of the natural talent she no doubt has.
Rant over...
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 31, 2012 0:26:42 GMT -5
but she DID do it! They took a gamble, cuz realistically, breaking this record was within reach and NO ONE else has managed to do it. Their gamble paid off. Billboard rules aside, she actually did do it.
especially since they are now apparantly lumping the sales of both albums together as one combined chart entity.
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Post by Oprah on Mar 31, 2012 0:49:58 GMT -5
They should really just throw Katy a bone and let her have the record, it's not like she has anything else going for her tbqh.
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Post by spooky21 on Mar 31, 2012 0:50:58 GMT -5
This Billboard article could almost give one a heart attack! Madonna, Lionel Richie Aiming for Top Two on Billboard 200; Katy Perry Could Return to Top 10 March 30, 2012 By Keith Caulfield ( keith_caulfield), Los Angeles As earlier reported, Madonna's "MDNA" and Lionel Richie's "Tuskegee" are on track to debut at Nos. 1 and 2, respectively, on next week's Billboard 200 chart. Meanwhile, rock band Shinedown is also on track for a top 10 debut with its latest studio set "Amaryllis" while Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream" will likely zip back to the top 10. Industry sources suggest that Madonna's 12th studio album will sell over 300,000 copies by the end of the tracking week on Sunday, April 1. Richie's all-star country collaborations album could shift 140,000 to 160,000. Shinedown may move something close to 100,000 copies. Perry's "Teenage Dream" could zoom back to the upper region thanks to the release of the "Complete Confection" edition of the album, which includes bonus tracks and her recent Hot 100 No. 1 "Part of Me." The new Billboard 200 chart's top 10 will be revealed on the morning of Wednesday, April 4. On Nielsen SoundScan's Building chart (below), Richie's "Tuskegee" is No. 1, followed by Madonna's "MDNA" and Shinedown's "Amaryllis." The Building tally is a precursor to the final Billboard 200 ranking -- reflecting the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week as reported by six major merchants.
The ranking is deceiving though, as a chunk of Madonna's sales aren't factored into the Building Chart yet, so she and Richie will likely switch positions on the final Billboard 200 album chart. ("MDNA" has a significant number of sales from non-traditional outlets, including those from a concert ticket/album promotion.) Adele's never-say-die album "21" is No. 4 on the Building Chart, while "The Hunger Games" soundtrack is No. 5. One Direction's "Up All Night" is No. 6, Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream" is in the No. 7 slot and the Used's new "Vulnerable" is No. 8. Bruce Sprignsteen's "Wrecking Ball" (No. 9) and Luke Bryan's "Tailgates & Tanlines" (No. 10) round out the top 10. Nielsen SoundScan Building Chart Rank LW BB 200 Artist Title 1 NEW Lionel Richie "Tuskegee" 2 NEW Madonna "MDNA" 3 NEW Shinedown "Amaryllis" 4 2 Adele "21" 5 1 Soundtrack "The Hunger Games" 6 4 One Direction "Up All Night" 7 31 Katy Perry "Teenage Dream" 8 NEW The Used "Vulnerable" 9 6 Bruce Springsteen "Wrecking Ball" 10 16 Luke Bryan "Tailgates & Tanlines" The Building Chart reflects the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week (which ends Sunday) as reported by six major merchants: iTunes, Trans World Entertainment, Best Buy, Starbucks, Target and Anderson Merchandisers. Billboard estimates that they make up about 85% of all U.S. album sales. This pretty much confirms that the bulk of MDNA is coming from the concert promo thing.....or at the very least, 50% of it. If she's trailing Richie in traditional outlet reporting and he's only around 150K, it doesn't bode well for her next week. :o
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 0:51:04 GMT -5
Even without Billboard's acknowledgement of semantics, it was always the case that Michael Jackson had 5#1's off of 1 release (1 album) and Katy Perry had 6 #1's (so far) from 2 releases (of the same album)
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 31, 2012 1:18:40 GMT -5
This Billboard article could almost give one a heart attack! Madonna, Lionel Richie Aiming for Top Two on Billboard 200; Katy Perry Could Return to Top 10 March 30, 2012 By Keith Caulfield ( keith_caulfield), Los Angeles As earlier reported, Madonna's "MDNA" and Lionel Richie's "Tuskegee" are on track to debut at Nos. 1 and 2, respectively, on next week's Billboard 200 chart. Meanwhile, rock band Shinedown is also on track for a top 10 debut with its latest studio set "Amaryllis" while Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream" will likely zip back to the top 10. Industry sources suggest that Madonna's 12th studio album will sell over 300,000 copies by the end of the tracking week on Sunday, April 1. Richie's all-star country collaborations album could shift 140,000 to 160,000. Shinedown may move something close to 100,000 copies. Perry's "Teenage Dream" could zoom back to the upper region thanks to the release of the "Complete Confection" edition of the album, which includes bonus tracks and her recent Hot 100 No. 1 "Part of Me." The new Billboard 200 chart's top 10 will be revealed on the morning of Wednesday, April 4. On Nielsen SoundScan's Building chart (below), Richie's "Tuskegee" is No. 1, followed by Madonna's "MDNA" and Shinedown's "Amaryllis." The Building tally is a precursor to the final Billboard 200 ranking -- reflecting the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week as reported by six major merchants.
The ranking is deceiving though, as a chunk of Madonna's sales aren't factored into the Building Chart yet, so she and Richie will likely switch positions on the final Billboard 200 album chart. ("MDNA" has a significant number of sales from non-traditional outlets, including those from a concert ticket/album promotion.) Adele's never-say-die album "21" is No. 4 on the Building Chart, while "The Hunger Games" soundtrack is No. 5. One Direction's "Up All Night" is No. 6, Katy Perry's "Teenage Dream" is in the No. 7 slot and the Used's new "Vulnerable" is No. 8. Bruce Sprignsteen's "Wrecking Ball" (No. 9) and Luke Bryan's "Tailgates & Tanlines" (No. 10) round out the top 10. Nielsen SoundScan Building Chart Rank LW BB 200 Artist Title 1 NEW Lionel Richie "Tuskegee" 2 NEW Madonna "MDNA" 3 NEW Shinedown "Amaryllis" 4 2 Adele "21" 5 1 Soundtrack "The Hunger Games" 6 4 One Direction "Up All Night" 7 31 Katy Perry "Teenage Dream" 8 NEW The Used "Vulnerable" 9 6 Bruce Springsteen "Wrecking Ball" 10 16 Luke Bryan "Tailgates & Tanlines" The Building Chart reflects the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week (which ends Sunday) as reported by six major merchants: iTunes, Trans World Entertainment, Best Buy, Starbucks, Target and Anderson Merchandisers. Billboard estimates that they make up about 85% of all U.S. album sales. This pretty much confirms that the bulk of MDNA is coming from the concert promo thing.....or at the very least, 50% of it. If she's trailing Richie in traditional outlet reporting and he's only around 150K, it doesn't bode well for her next week. :o She did not give the album away. You had to buy a concert ticket which cost a lot more than just a cd. Chances are those people would have purchased the cd anyway.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Mar 31, 2012 1:30:38 GMT -5
question:
what percentage of the market does iTunes share? Overall, including physical. Is it 50% yet, or is it much lower still?
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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 31, 2012 2:09:15 GMT -5
Hold up, hold up, hold up. Before Spooky21 makes a lot of Madonna fans worried with his "THE SKY IS FALLING" act, let me clear some stuff up. I did some research.
1) Madonna's pre-orders aren't factored into those numbers - that accounts for 50k - this was confirmed after the Super Bowl. You can tell this is true, at least on iTunes, because she's trailing pretty hard on iTunes behind Richie, yet if her pre orders were being factored into the ranking, she'd be #1 on the iTunes charts. Perhaps these get counted last? I don't know how it works. The pre-order album had a different catalogue number, which also supports my point. All I know is that if Madonna sold 50k in February, then maybe 20k more this week from iTunes, then it seems pretty unrealistic that she only sold another 75-90k from physical sales, and the rest (a whopping 200,000 - I'll get to that crap later) from the ticket promo. That makes no sense. Since when were 50% of Madonna's (or ANY major artist's) album sales from digital? More like 30%, right?
2) The Fab.com sales aren't included in these building charts either. Non traditional outlet I guess. A lot of peeps must've gotten this album from Fab.com. The deluxe version is only $8 on there. Not only that... Fab.com is pretty much THE gay Amazon.com. At one point last year it got 500,000 users in a span of 10 weeks. It has 3 million users now. It's growing at a mammoth rate. Anyway the MDNA promo on that site was the first of its kind, and its the first thing you see when you log onto the site, so you can imagine the kind of reach it got just from that website alone. I bet a lot of poofs bought the album from there, haha. And it was well played. Madonna and gay guys are peas in a pod, and who better to sell her album to?
3) Of course Madonna's getting some tickets/album redemptions, but we do not know how much yet. Because the redemptions were soooo low in the past for Bon Jovi and Tom Petty, I'm having trouble understanding why it would be different for Madge. Why would she all of a sudden sell 200,000 albums (which is what Spooky21 was implying) via a tour/ticket promotion when Tom Petty and Bon Jovi didn't sell anything near that? 50% of their album sales did not come from ticket redemptions. Why would that all of a sudden change drastically for MADONNA? I'd like to hear some solid reasoning. I bet it's a lot more cumbersome for the fair-weather fan than we think. Especially when 90% of Madonna's concert going audience aren't exactly hardcore fans, let's be honest. Look at the numbers. Madonna has record attendance for her concerts - we're talking millions of people, but album sales are just okay. We saw this with Hard Candy. Betty Donahue, class of 1989, from Appleton Wisconsin who has 3 kids and a Volvo probably isn't tech savvy enough to realize she has a free album to redeem with her Madonna ticket - and these are the kind of people who go to Madonna concerts. It isn't always 30-something gay guys with disposable income.
As always, if I am wrong, I will, with great humility, admit that my research may have been faulty. But I thought I'd calm some nerves before Spooky makes a bunch of people scream FLOP at Madonna - cuz I know the way the things on this board work, with the fan wars and the passive aggressive pot stirring and blah blah. I can't imagine what the circus must have been like when Lady Gaga sold her album for less than a dollar. I bet this place was a madhouse.
Oh, 1 last thing. The ticket/album promotion is not a free-giveaway for the last time. The cost of the album is tacked onto the ticket, so you're basically paying for a ticket and an album when you buy it. Madonna's making you buy a $9.99 album whether you want it or not. So I guess that makes her about 10% more desperate as opposed to oh, 78% more desperate considering some of the things we've seen Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and Mariah Carey pull in order to get chart approval. Give Madonna a break. She hasn't had a true blockbuster album in the states in a LONG time. Pick on someone else lol.
Anyway, dipping out of this thread before Spooky goes Chicken Little on our asses. lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 3:25:52 GMT -5
I guess it all comes down to who was more of a cheater in this case. Was it Katy and her team for suddenly deciding to re-release her album after 6 (!!!) singles in an attempt to break Michael's record? Or was it Billboard for suddenly altering their rules so she couldn't do it? The whole situation is ridiculous IMO. I can't believe Katy couldn't just be satisfied with 5 #1's and a #3 song from ONE ALBUM. It was like she started releasing music just to break a stupid record - one set by Michael Jackson no less. Katy, just please. You've only been a big time pop star for 4 years, lol. Obviously when someone releases a song, they're just trying to break records. The money they get from releasing a leftover which goes #1 and stays in the top 10 for months has nothing to do with it, obv. Performing at the grammies and debuting with 400k was a desperate tactic aswell, tbh.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 31, 2012 3:35:08 GMT -5
Some thoughts from me (because we know I can't go without interjecting them ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0244.gif) ) I agree and disagree with the Katy Perry situation. I don't expect Billboard to retroactively "take away" the fact that past #1s from different releases but the same album count as one, in the cases of Usher, Mariah, Rihanna and others. But whenever it comes up in conversation during their articles, to simply acknowledge their new way of looking at it. It's not like #1s are being"taken away", but just counted differently. I like 2m's way of looking at it. Same album, different release. It's the evolution of the chart and the perception should change with it. Regarding the "give her a break" comment from closeyoureyes for Madonna, I'm going to say no. She doesn't deserve a break if other artists who supposedly "pulled tricks" had been harped on endlessly for their tricks at chart manipulation. However, I personally won't be contributing because it would be hypocritical of me. I think you have and should be creative when it comes to album releases and getting yourself in the best position possible when it comes to charts. People knew they were getting the album with their ticket so nobody was being mislead. I think it all comes down to next week when the numbers are released. Hopefully we know how many of the sales came from ticket redemptions so we can judge accordingly. Whenever I refer to the first week of Born This Way, I generally refer to a number between 700k and it's 1.1m sales total to account for the fact that Amazon messed things up a bit. I know people will argue with the 1.1 million total and I don't disagree with that. I also know that if 100% of the amazon buyers wouldn't have gotten the album otherwise, 700k is still a pretty high number. I'll give the same courtesy to Madonna. But she shouldn't get a break from others. So far it seems like she has considering some of the songs on MDNA are hardly original. Superstar sounds like a recreation of Hello yet it hasn't been commented on here. Considering how frantic people got over Born This Way=Express Yourself last year, I find that unacceptable.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 31, 2012 3:37:17 GMT -5
I guess it all comes down to who was more of a cheater in this case. Was it Katy and her team for suddenly deciding to re-release her album after 6 (!!!) singles in an attempt to break Michael's record? Or was it Billboard for suddenly altering their rules so she couldn't do it? The whole situation is ridiculous IMO. I can't believe Katy couldn't just be satisfied with 5 #1's and a #3 song from ONE ALBUM. It was like she started releasing music just to break a stupid record - one set by Michael Jackson no less. Katy, just please. You've only been a big time pop star for 4 years, lol. Obviously when someone releases a song, they're just trying to break records. The money they get from releasing a leftover which goes #1 and stays in the top 10 for months has nothing to do with it, obv. Performing at the grammies and debuting with 400k was a desperate tactic aswell, to be honest. All I'm saying is that I wish it wasn't so blatant, because I like her. You can tell Katy Perry and her team were trying to break Michael Jackson's record what with the timely discounts and the endless extension of this era which, may I remind you, hits its 2 year anniversary in a month. She earned her first record - which was tying Michael Jackson. If it was meant to be, it would have happened with The One That Got Away, but it did not. I'm not hating on her hustle - make your cash Katy, but none of us are naive enough to assume that breaking Jacko's record wasn't a driving force behind releasing these bland new songs - we have seen desperate moves to get hits with every single pop star known to mankind - yes, even my FAVE Madonna. It's nothing new and I didn't like it when Madonna did it either (see: 4 Minutes). We all want a new project from her. Not songs she wrote 3 years ago for Teenage Dream that she's releasing just to make money/break a record/whatever your theory may be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 3:44:15 GMT -5
Bad had 7 singles off of it too, by the way... Obviously just a desperate attempt to extend his own record, so I don't see why Katy can't fight fire with fire.
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Post by closeyoureyes on Mar 31, 2012 3:44:39 GMT -5
Some thoughts from me (because we know I can't go without interjecting them ![](http://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/fun/s0244.gif) ) I agree and disagree with the Katy Perry situation. I don't expect Billboard to retroactively "take away" the fact that past #1s from different releases but the same album count as one, in the cases of Usher, Mariah, Rihanna and others. But whenever it comes up in conversation during their articles, to simply acknowledge their new way of looking at it. It's not like #1s are being"taken away", but just counted differently. I like 2m's way of looking at it. Same album, different release. It's the evolution of the chart and the perception should change with it. Regarding the "give her a break" comment from closeyoureyes for Madonna, I'm going to say no. She doesn't deserve a break if other artists who supposedly "pulled tricks" had been harped on endlessly for their tricks at chart manipulation. However, I personally won't be contributing because it would be hypocritical of me. I think you have and should be creative when it comes to album releases and getting yourself in the best position possible when it comes to charts. People knew they were getting the album with their ticket so nobody was being mislead. I think it all comes down to next week when the numbers are released. Hopefully we know how many of the sales came from ticket redemptions so we can judge accordingly. Whenever I refer to the first week of Born This Way, I generally refer to a number between 700k and it's 1.1m sales total to account for the fact that Amazon messed things up a bit. I know people will argue with the 1.1 million total and I don't disagree with that. I also know that if 100% of the amazon buyers wouldn't have gotten the album otherwise, 700k is still a pretty high number. I'll give the same courtesy to Madonna. But she shouldn't get a break from others. So far it seems like she has considering some of the songs on MDNA are hardly original. Superstar sounds like a recreation of Hello yet it hasn't been commented on here. Considering how frantic people got over Born This Way=Express Yourself last year, I find that unacceptable. Superstar sounds nothing like Hello, IMO. No one's talking about it cuz no one's hearing it, maybe? People drew comparisons between other songs (we won't get into WHICH ONES) because it was far more obvious. As far as the rest of MDNA, I don't hear any Doctor Luke or Red One on it, so idk where you are getting this idea that it's an album full of generic blahness but you're entitled to your opinion. Anyway I get what you're saying, but you know there are degrees to these things, and to harp on Madonna, who hasn't had a true-blue radio hit (not counting 4 Minutes, who does?) in a decade, or a hugely successful album era since god knows when, is just not necessary. We all know she isn't going to do gangbusters so why try to embarrass her fans even more? When Lady Gaga sold her album for less than a dollar - she got picked on because let's face it - she didn't need to sell it for a dollar. Bad had 7 singles off of it too, by the way... Obviously just a desperate attempt to extend his own record, so I don't see why Katy can't fight fire with fire. Well Michael Jackson is synonymous with desperation so I guess you do make a good point. I just thought Katy was more of a free spirit. Oh well.
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Post by spooky21 on Mar 31, 2012 3:53:42 GMT -5
This pretty much confirms that the bulk of MDNA is coming from the concert promo thing.....or at the very least, 50% of it. If she's trailing Richie in traditional outlet reporting and he's only around 150K, it doesn't bode well for her next week. :o She did not give the album away. You had to buy a concert ticket which cost a lot more than just a cd. Chances are those people would have purchased the cd anyway. Where do I state in my comment that she is giving away the album?
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 31, 2012 4:10:03 GMT -5
She did not give the album away. You had to buy a concert ticket which cost a lot more than just a cd. Chances are those people would have purchased the cd anyway. Where do I state in my comment that she is giving away the album? To me it seemed like your were inferring a large drop due to so many of her sales being through ticket redemption. I was simply saying those sales through expensive tickets would have been purchased(probably through those traditional outlets) anyway.
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Post by spooky21 on Mar 31, 2012 4:23:12 GMT -5
Where do I state in my comment that she is giving away the album? To me it seemed like your were inferring a large drop due to so many of her sales being through ticket redemption. I was simply saying those sales through expensive tickets would have been purchased(probably through those traditional outlets) anyway. I'm amazed (but not really) by the amount of illogical jumps but let's let it rest.
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Post by Enigma. on Mar 31, 2012 4:57:18 GMT -5
Superstar sounds like a recreation of Hello yet it hasn't been commented on here. Considering how frantic people got over Born This Way=Express Yourself last year, I find that unacceptable. Personally, I think those opinions don't belong to the chart discussion at all. People will always defend their favourites but they should keep most of it outside the chart topics.
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 31, 2012 5:06:21 GMT -5
Yeah, my bad for thinking you meant album sales would drop hard, right after talking about the ticket redemptions.
So then what were your reasons for thinking a hard 2nd week drop ??
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 31, 2012 5:31:46 GMT -5
I think there'll be a large second week drop as well.
And I agree spoilt. The opinion stuff should be kept to opinion topics so I'll refrain from it again. Apologies.
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Post by botoxic on Mar 31, 2012 5:45:01 GMT -5
But she shouldn't get a break from others. So far it seems like she has considering some of the songs on MDNA are hardly original. Superstar sounds like a recreation of Hello yet it hasn't been commented on here. Considering how frantic people got over Born This Way=Express Yourself last year, I find that unacceptable. Superstar sounds nothing like Hello, IMO. No one's talking about it cuz no one's hearing it, maybe? The similarities between BTW/EY were so blatant - both the chord progression AND the melodic line - that the reaction was instantaneous for many. It wasn't one person noticing and spreading it around like wildfire; it was MANY noticing at very first listen, and it was everywhere on the web, not just at music geek-type sites. To GaGa's credit, I don't believe she intentionally set out to replicate EY, but the general consensus is that's essentially what happened. Count me among those who cannot hear such major similarities between Hello and Superstar, and I'm a classically trained musician, still very much involved in composing and performing. Perhaps it would be unacceptable had it been noticed by many and seen any sort of general outcry, but I don't believe that's the case. I haven't seen anyone else mention it anywhere.
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Post by seaguy27 on Mar 31, 2012 5:49:21 GMT -5
Don't most albums have a large second week drop with the exceptions of the rare Adele type blockbusters?
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Mar 31, 2012 6:22:09 GMT -5
Maybe it's just the beats of Superstar and Hello that are the same. I only listened to Superstar a few times but I was so distracted by the beat, I couldn't pay attention to anything else. Don't most albums have a large second week drop with the exceptions of the rare Adele type blockbusters? Yeah. It's normal. I'm not sure what the typical range is but 80% is pretty high I think. I think pop albums tend to be front loaded more than other genres so when the first week sales are high, unless there's something to soften the blow for the second week, it could fall hard. That's always the danger of pulling out all the stops for the first week - the second week drop. But it only matters if the drop is enough to draw attention to itself.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Mar 31, 2012 8:43:28 GMT -5
Bad had 7 singles off of it too, by the way... Obviously just a desperate attempt to extend his own record, so I don't see why Katy can't fight fire with fire. How do you know? Many albums from the 80s had many singles released. Janet Jackson had 7 singles released from Control (1986-87) and 8 from Rhythm Nation (1989-91) and later even from her janet. album (1993-94), for example.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Mar 31, 2012 8:48:57 GMT -5
Back to some info in regards to tickets/album redemptions. This is some info in regards to Tom Petty's album, which debuted with 125,000 (at No. 2, his best sales week in the SoundScan era): latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/tom-petty/Entering at No 2 is Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers' "Mojo," which received a heavy boost from a ticket promotion. Those who purchased tickets to Petty's summer tour were offered a chance to download the artist's first album with the Heartbreakers since 2002's "The Last DJ," and it helped give "Mojo" a solid first week of 125,000 copies sold. Downloading the album was a relatively easy process, as ticket buyers were guided via e-mail to a website to redeem the album on its day of release. "We've gone back and forth on various scenarios," said Billboard's director of charts Silvio Pietroluongo about the decision to include the concert-related downloads in the first week sales tally."In the move to digital, we've OK'd a bundle where you receive a redemption code, so the consumer still has to make an active decision and download it ... You'd be surprised at what the redemption percentage was, and this one was very high."*I couldn't find an article that said exactly how many units came from the album redemptions. RE Bon Jovi's 2007 album, which scanned 163,000 to debut at No. 1: Billboard reported that there was a "four-day Ticketmaster promotion that allowed purchasers of presale Bon Jovi tour tickets to also buy a digital download of 'The Circle' for $9.99." Billboard wrote that it was the fourth BJ album tied to a Ticketmaster promotion (past ones had a ticket coupon in physical CDs). IDJ reported that around 23,000 downloads came from the presale promotion.
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