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Post by popstop on Apr 6, 2012 10:54:44 GMT -5
I guess I didn't realize that buying albums for Easter was a thing. People get presents for Easter? Whatever happened to getting a chocolate bunny instead?
I would think there would be an uptick in sales for the boy bands and kid-friendly pop stars like Kelly. But why would Adele have an uptick in sales because of it?
The Adele machine is fascinating. Earlier this year, some people were dismissive of her making diamond status, but now it looks like she'll hit that without any issue. Do I hear 11M anyone?
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Post by neverduplicated on Apr 6, 2012 10:55:22 GMT -5
Maybe those who want to focus on the negative should apply some of their negativity to The Hunger Games soundtrack's performance. Given the film's humongo box office, the sales are very underwhelming- regardless that soundtracks don't sell as they once did (most albums do not, after all). It's not like any of the singles are/were top 10 hits on the Hot 100. Why should we focus negativity on The Hunger Games soundtrack? It had a big opening followed by a 63% drop in sales, much smaller than most albums experience these days. This week it's projected to be at number 6, a good position, with a 22-30% drop, not amazing, but not terrible either. Certainly not as bad as many albums are experiencing these days. It's true the album has some big names, but other than Taylor Swift, M5, and Miranda Lambert, none of the artists on the soundtrack are huge sellers, so why would the soundtrack be? I imagine it will comfortably sell over 500k in the long run, perhaps more if it can get some legs behind it. I don't see that as a bad thing, and as you said, there are no big singles from the album, though the Swift songs are doing decently. However, most people buying the soundtrack wouldn't be doing it for Swift - her fans will probably just buy her tracks separately. Let people go crazy over Madonna adding yet another record to her career: biggest % 2nd week drop for a no. 1 album. Nothing wrong with trying to chanege the thread topic If not Nicki Minaj to discuss, how about Adele? Lionel Richie? Rascal Flatts? Others? Lots to choose from I agree with others, 2m. If you want to change the topic, then have something constructive to say other than, "Let's talk about Rascal Flatts." No point in forcing a discussion no one wants to have.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 6, 2012 10:59:59 GMT -5
^Well, Titanic, for one, had just one track with words- which also was available on Celine Dion's mega-selling album- so it's logical to think that the music in general resonated with the moviegoing public. Just one example- and perhaps an extreme one, given the box office success of that movie- but, still.
The HG soundtrack's showing- despite a nice lineup of acts- is not in line with the film's success- so, that warrants discussion, IMO.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Apr 6, 2012 11:02:49 GMT -5
Madonna's drop may be massive, but she has a better 2 week total than Richie, Minaj, One Direction, Springsteen, or any other album this year (save Adele). Best-selling album of all-new material released in the first quarter of 2012. (Just saying) The HG soundtrack's showing- despite a nice lineup of acts- is not in line with the film's success- so, that warrants discussion, IMO. The key difference between the Titanic soundtrack and the Hunger Games soundtrack is that none of the music on the HG album is heard anywhere in the movie.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 6, 2012 11:05:24 GMT -5
I don't get how 200k -> 45k would've been better than 359k->45k? Enlighten me...
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 6, 2012 11:08:08 GMT -5
Really, j74? That's CRAZY. lol I went to Wiki and it says three of the songs appear in the closing credits. The title of the album should say "Inspoired By..." then, no?
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 6, 2012 11:12:28 GMT -5
Really, j74? That's CRAZY. lol I went to Wiki and it says three of the songs appear in the closing credits. The title of the album should say "Inspoired By..." then, no? The proper soundtrack has been released as a separate album I believe.
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Post by neverduplicated on Apr 6, 2012 11:13:43 GMT -5
^Well, Titanic, for one, had just one track with words- which also was available on Celine Dion's mega-selling album- so it's logical to think that the music in general resonated with the moviegoing public. Just one example- and perhaps an extreme one, given the box office success of that movie- but, still. The HG soundtrack's showing- despite a nice lineup of acts- is not in line with the film's success- so, that warrants discussion, IMO. Yes, it does warrant some discussion, and I can see how you might think it's disappointing, but I for one never expected the soundtrack to do gangbusters. I thought 1m would probably be max, and who knows, it could get there someday but not looking too likely at the moment. The comparison with the Titanic soundtrack doesn't work to me. For one, that was released at a time when people regularly bought whole albums just for one song. That pretty much doesn't happen anymore. Also, that one song was the song of the year. You couldn't escape it. There's no song like that on the HG soundtrack. You also have to remember that the music industry is increasingly becoming a singles market. If you're a huge fan of The Decembrists or Kid Cudi, why buy the whole album for $10+ when you could just buy that one song by the artist you really like? I actually considered buying the soundtrack, and maybe I will someday, but in the end I opted just for the Swift and Civil Wars tracks because I like those artists. If this had been the late 90s, I probably would've bought the whole album.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Apr 6, 2012 11:15:41 GMT -5
Madonna's drop may be massive, but she has a better 2 week total than Richie, Minaj, One Direction, Springsteen, or any other album this year (save Adele). Best-selling album of all-new material released in the first quarter of 2012. (Just saying) With the way things are looking, she won't hold that title for very long.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 6, 2012 11:18:25 GMT -5
Points taken, neverdup.
I wasn't aware that most of the songs weren't even heard in the movie, so the performance makes more sense to me now.
There is a Hunger Games score- that debuted at No. 40 this week (10,676 units).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 11:18:55 GMT -5
No I am not a Moderator - neither are you I have an interest in this thread but not the topic. The topic being - endless bickering over the second week drop of MDNA. As a reader of this thread that is annoying. I was attempting to change it by reposting the HITS projections that is all Do you really think Pulse needs you to do this? No. It's annoying to read your endless posts about topics we already know. They add nothing to the conversation. You do not need to deflect. You do not need to change the subject. Pulse did not need me to repost the HITS projection. I did not NEED TO change the subject. As a reader of this thread I was simply HOPING to change the subject from where it was last night and this morning, because I found the previous subject annoying. That is it, nothing more to it than that. You might be making a bigger deal out of this than it needs to be?
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Post by brucelover on Apr 6, 2012 11:19:19 GMT -5
I guess I didn't realize that buying albums for Easter was a thing. People get presents for Easter? Whatever happened to getting a chocolate bunny instead? I would think there would be an uptick in sales for the boy bands and kid-friendly pop stars like Kelly. But why would Adele have an uptick in sales because of it? The Adele machine is fascinating. Earlier this year, some people were dismissive of her making diamond status, but now it looks like she'll hit that without any issue. Do I hear 11M anyone? I think she will do 13-15m total when all is said and done, and 25-30m worldwide.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 14:17:00 GMT -5
The Madonna discussion is officially a circle jerk, on both sides. I'd say don't bring her up unless you can keep it civil but that would imply there is a chance that anyone could do so, and frankly the ones not tired of the topic have long passed the point of reason. So let it go. I guess I didn't realize that buying albums for Easter was a thing. People get presents for Easter? Whatever happened to getting a chocolate bunny instead? I would think there would be an uptick in sales for the boy bands and kid-friendly pop stars like Kelly. But why would Adele have an uptick in sales because of it? The Adele machine is fascinating. Earlier this year, some people were dismissive of her making diamond status, but now it looks like she'll hit that without any issue. Do I hear 11M anyone? One Easter tradition (or at least, one I can recall from many, many years ago) is getting baskets stuffed with candy and gifts. Now in my family the gifts would be whatever came in the already-wrapped baskets at K-Mart or whatever, but some people would add more stuff or make their own gift baskets and CDs would be included. I guess that's for the older kids who have outgrown the coloring books and toys phase. Must be nice, when I got older people just stopped buying me stuff entirely :( As I've gotten older I've noticed the Easter basket tradition in general dwindling, but I suppose some people still do it somewhere, as the Easter bump continues to be a factor. I agree that it's the kind of bump that makes more sense for family-friendly acts...Adele is pretty safe and I suppose would make sense for an older kid/young teen. At this point it's only surprising from the "WHO still hasn't got this album?" aspect. But we've been asking that for the past six months now so that is nothing new. I've just come to accept that there are some super-late adopters out there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 14:26:05 GMT -5
Before Adele's debut week last year I kinda expected her to do at least 1 million with this album, but after last year and 21's performance on the charts I had no doubts that she would pass some of the best selling albums with ease.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 6, 2012 21:03:41 GMT -5
www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat#/news/nicki-minaj-rascal-flatts-aiming-for-top-1006698752.storyNicki Minaj, Rascal Flatts Aiming for Top of Billboard 200by Keith Caulfield, L.A. | April 06, 2012 Nicki Minaj is on track to score her second No. 1 album on the Billboard 200, while Rascal Flatts is heading for its eighth top 10 set. Industry sources suggest Minaj's "Roman Reloaded" will sell around 215,000 to 235,000 and easily debut at No. 1 while Rascal Flatts' "Changed" may start in the No. 3 slot with around 100,000 to 120,000. (The sales tracking week for next week's Billboard charts ends on Sunday, April 8.) The new Billboard 200 chart's top 10 will be revealed on the morning of Wednesday, April 11. Rascal Flatts should also debuted at No. 1 on our Country Albums chart, netting its seventh leader. All of the band's studio sets have bowed at No. 1, save for its self-titled 2000 debut. It bowed at No. 14 on the Country tally, on its way to a No. 3 peak. Lionel Richie's "Tuskegee," which opened at No. 2 on the Billboard 200 this past week with 199,000 sold (according to Nielsen SoundScan), should see a relatively slight second-week decrease in sales. It will probably sell around 100,000 copies and end up in the top five. Easter week shopping is likely helping its sales, as is a solid slate of promotional activities. This week, Richie was interviewed on NPR's "All Things Considered" (April 2), played "The Ellen DeGeneres Show" the same day, performed on "Jimmy Kimmel Live" (4) and sang on "The Talk" (5). However, the woman who beat him for the top of the chart -- Madonna -- will likely take a significant tumble with her No. 1 set "MDNA." It will perhaps move 50,000 copies this week and may end up around Nos. 10 or 11 next week. It bowed at No. 1 with 359,000. Her first week was bolstered by sales gained from a concert ticket/album promotion as well as banked pre-orders from iTunes. So, a sizable second-week drop was expected. On Nielsen SoundScan's Building chart (below), Minaj's "Roman Reloaded" is No. 1, Adele's "21" is No. 2 and Rascal Flatts is No. 3. The Building tally is a precursor to the final Billboard 200 ranking -- reflecting the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week as reported by six major merchants. One Direction's "Up All Night" in in fifth place, Of Monsters & Men's "My Head is an Animal" is sixth and the soundtrack to "The Hunger Games" is seventh. Marvin Sapp's new "I Win" is at No. 8, Alabama Shakes' "Boys & Girls" is No. 9 and Shinedown's "Amaryllis" is at No. 10. Nielsen SoundScan Building ChartRank LW BB 200 Artist Title 1 NEW Nicki Minaj "Roman Reloaded" 2 3 Adele "21" 3 NEW Rascal Flatts "Changed" 4 2 Lionel Richie "Tuskegee" 5 6 One Direction "Up All Night" 6 NEW Of Monsters & Men "My Head Is An Animal" 7 5 Soundtrack "The Hunger Games" 8 NEW Marvin Sapp "Vulnerable" 9 NEW Alabama Shakes "Boys & Girls" 10 4 Shinedown "Amaryllis" The Building Chart reflects the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week (which ends Sunday) as reported by six major merchants: iTunes, Trans World Entertainment, Best Buy, Starbucks, Target and Anderson Merchandisers. Billboard estimates that they make up about 85% of all U.S. album sales.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2012 21:55:33 GMT -5
Well from this looks like the Madonna projection jumped up a bit to 50K
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Post by Kurt on Apr 6, 2012 23:24:10 GMT -5
Aren't those sales for Boys & Girls just from iTunes? For a new group with a single only out on AAA (though they've blogosphere buzz too), I'd say that's fairly impressive.
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 7, 2012 4:06:03 GMT -5
Impressed by One Direction
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Post by spooky21 on Apr 7, 2012 6:09:53 GMT -5
I guess I didn't realize that buying albums for Easter was a thing. People get presents for Easter? Whatever happened to getting a chocolate bunny instead? Generally speaking, any holiday where people are off together en masse and families come together, we see a sales spike. After chowing down their holiday dinners, going to the mall to hang out and shop is what a lot of people do.
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Post by spooky21 on Apr 7, 2012 6:14:51 GMT -5
Well from this looks like the Madonna projection jumped up a bit to 50K Looks like she's also benefitting from the Easter spike, though not by much. Per that article, without the Super Bowl pre-orders and concert promo thing, Madonna would have been toast. Interscope seems to be pushing aggressive and controversial promo marketing for their top artists (Gaga, Madonna). I wonder if other labels are going to be following suit soon.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 7, 2012 7:39:01 GMT -5
That article (the Billboard one, I imagine?) didn't say anything of the sort- it actually said the notion that she would not have been No. 1 because 359K-185K=179K was kinda ridiculous. I posted a logical conclusion in the BB 200 thread as to what Ms. Ciccone's first-week numbers may have been like without the concert promo- but, as always, we have no way of knowing anything for certain.
Lionel Richie's promo for week 3 will be that concert special airing on 4/13- even though it's airing on a Friday night, it still may produce a boost (or a t least soften any decline). He's really worked his tail off promoting this album- that combined with the country-superstar duets of his oldies really makes his album an attractive one to middle America. To think- his last studio album sold just 95,000 in total- this one did twice that in the first week alone.
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Post by spooky21 on Apr 7, 2012 8:15:10 GMT -5
That article (the Billboard one, I imagine?) didn't say anything of the sort- it actually said the notion that she would not have been No. 1 because 359K-185K=179K was kinda ridiculous. I posted a logical conclusion in the BB 200 thread as to what Ms. Ciccone's first-week numbers may have been like without the concert promo- but, as always, we have no way of knowing anything for certain. . Dude, I'm not talking about if she would have been number 1 nor do I care. I was talking about the context of her first week sales. The article states that a significant portion of her sales came from the concert promo/pre-orders (which largely came from the Superbowl time). Her losing close to 90% of her sales in week two confirms that both those items were the 2 largest impact on her first week. Billboard also give us a rough idea that around 50% of her sales were from concert promo. It's not completely illogical to assume that had she not had them, her first week would have been rather dismal in comparison to her previous trends, hence my comment. My point about her being toast was in reference to her having a relatively low debut in that scenario and then quickly falling of the charts with no hit singles to give the album legs. If she can't even crack the Top 100 with GGW, likely the most radio friendly single on the album, she won't be getting a hit with anything else. Seriously dude, you really don't have to go into automatic defense mode every time someone discusses the situation around Madonna's first week.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 7, 2012 8:18:33 GMT -5
^Not defense mode at all, man. Just laying out another perspective for some who may be "hung up" on the ticket/album bundle, and who don't think the first-week total would have been significantly higher than 179K without it. Tis all. :)
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Post by spooky21 on Apr 7, 2012 8:35:43 GMT -5
^Not defense mode at all, man. Just laying out another perspective for some who may be "hung up" on the ticket/album bundle, and who don't think the first-week total would have been significantly higher than 179K without it. Tis all. :) As far as I am concerned, the first and second weeks of a big artist's debut is the prime period for active discussion about their sales. Just because she's your fav and the conditions aren't ideal for her, doesn't mean it should be swept under the rug.
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Post by Living Legend on Apr 8, 2012 13:47:17 GMT -5
After their appearance on SNL, One Direction is #3 & #4 on the iTunes album chart. I think their sales are gonna be higher than expected with the SNL effect and their cd probably being a very Easter friendly gift. I'm expecting 100K+ for them this week.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 8, 2012 16:40:44 GMT -5
A number of titles now are sale priced at $6.99 at iTunes, causing them to sprint up the chart: ranked in or near the top 20 are Miranda Lambert, Kelly Clarkson, Foster the People, Van Halen, Sublime, Norah Jones, Dr. Dre, John Mayer. I imagine these took effect today? Kinda late in the week to make a significant difference for this week's chart, though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2012 17:01:02 GMT -5
Madonna should still be #10 or so, this Easter sale should not have an effect up the upper portion of this chart
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Post by HolidayGuy on Apr 8, 2012 17:04:26 GMT -5
Oh, I'm not concerned about that- I had to point the sale out to someone, who was perplexed as to why Madge's album all of a sudden dropped from 12 to 23 on iTunes. It is something what a sale can do for certain albums.
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Post by Safado on Apr 8, 2012 17:26:43 GMT -5
^^^Haha, that was me.
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Post by asg4 on Apr 8, 2012 19:00:51 GMT -5
Oh, I'm not concerned about that- I had to point the sale out to someone, who was perplexed as to why Madge's album all of a sudden dropped from 12 to 23 on iTunes. It is something what a sale can do for certain albums. i wonder what % of the 40-45k is coming from 2nd week redemptions
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