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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 25, 2012 18:10:27 GMT -5
Jack White Set for First No. 1 Album April 25, 2012 | By Keith Caulfield ( keith_caulfield), Los Angeles Though Jack White never earned a No. 1 album as part of the White Stripes, he's on course to top next week's Billboard 200 -- as a solo act. His solo debut set, "Blunderbuss," is aiming to bow at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 chart next week with around 100,000 to 120,000 sold (so say industry prognosticators). The new Billboard 200 chart's top 10 will be revealed on the morning of Wednesday, May 2. A No. 1 album has eluded White thus far. His bands the White Stripes, the Raconteurs and the Dead Weather have amassed a total of seven top 10 albums. The highest chart of any of those band's releases was the White Stripes' 2007 album "Icky Thump," which bowed and peaked at No. 2 (stuck behind Bon Jovi's debuting "Lost Highway" at No. 1). Other albums on course for a top 10 debut next week include Lee Brice's "Hard 2 Love," The Wanted's self-titled U.S. debut and Kip Moore's "Up All Night."
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Post by discoloser on Apr 25, 2012 18:22:09 GMT -5
It's not surprising. Certain Fanbases just like to pretend it's some competition. Regardless what one member said. Btw Jonas brothers did debut with 100k sales until their third album.
By that time they built a huge fanbase. The wanted has not yet developed base.
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Post by slicknickshady on Apr 25, 2012 20:03:39 GMT -5
No Evans Blue i see. Haha. Second album without there original singer that has debut lower than there two albums with there original singer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 20:52:58 GMT -5
The Wanted have constantly ridiculed One Direction in interviews for their appeal to young fans and the fact The Wanted are more than just a typical boyband.Flashback to 98 Degrees subtly shading Backstreet Boys and *NSync only to watch the boyband craze take over while more mature r&b/soul type groups effectively went out of style. You know, for all the 'rivalry' talk I never actually got why TW and 1D were always pitted against each other, or at the least, why that supposed rivalry was expected to continue over here. Their appeal and marketing tactics are so different that they're really not related at all to me. In fact that is the main reason why TW is not selling much right now IMO; they don't want to aim themselves toward t(w)eens, while 1D is making a point to cater to that market in every way possible and raking in the sales as a result. I know I'm not the only one who called it months ago that TW would probably do better with their single(s) but 1D would have the bigger following and better selling album in the end (and it's not like GYC is doing SO much better than WMYB). If this were 15 years ago maybe TW would have had a chance...I definitely remember having some serious BSB vs. *NSync discussions when I was in college; we 18-24 year olds were not averse to openly liking boy bands. But I would guess 18-24 olds now aren't even checking for a new group like that and might even be a bit snooty about the idea, so TW is doing good to be just another act with a catchy pop song...and we have seen how far that typically gets new artists. If they keep pumping out the hits though, they might eventually work their way up to gold. I also think they would likely have debuted better if they had given CTS time to become a big hit before releasing the album...that would have maybe got them up to 75k, at least past 50k.
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Post by Push The Button on Apr 26, 2012 18:14:00 GMT -5
Sony Music returns to the top of the chart next week after being unseated by Universal Music for the past five weeks. The first third of 2012 has been dominated by both music groups during the 17-week span with Columbia Records, specifically, holding down the lead for 12 of those weeks. Columbia, which may have three in this week's Top 5, will score a 13th week at the top as Jack White debuts #1, the first ever for the guitar god, even as a member of White Stripes. For now at least, it looks as though Sony could remain in the pole position for a little longer as Carrie Underwood (19/RCA) is set to debut on top in two weeks and will likely hold there for a few charts. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend:
*Jack White (Third Man/Columbia) 120-130k Adele (XL/Columbia) 85-90k Lionel Richie (Mercury Nashville) 80-85k One Direction (Syco/Columbia) 40-45k Nicki Minaj (YM/CM/Universal Republic) 35-40k *Lee Brice (Curb) 35-40k Jason Mraz (Atlantic) 35-40k *Kip Moore (MCA Nashville) 35-40k Gotye (Fairfax/Universal Republic) 30-35k *The Wanted (Mercury/IDJ) 30-35k The Black Keys (Nonesuch) 27-30k Train (Columbia) 27-30k Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville/EMI) 24-27k *Josh Abbott Band (Pretty Damn Tough) 21-24k Bonnie Raitt (Redwing) 18-21k Think Like a Man (Epic) 17-20k
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2012 18:25:20 GMT -5
You know, for all the 'rivalry' talk I never actually got why TW and 1D were always pitted against each other, or at the least, why that supposed rivalry was expected to continue over here. But what's funny about the whole rivalry is it wasn't a rivalry until they released singles in the US at the same time. You're right, they're not comparable and until then they weren't compared. Yeah, the Wanted threw a few insults at 1D, but it was never framed in a BSB vs. NSYNC way until earlier this year. In America it makes much more sense - they went from just being two boybands here to being two British boybands releasing singles at the same time, which made them much more comparable. The Wanted's single was re-released just long enough before 1D's that they clearly thought they were 'winning' in the States. I wonder how they feel now?
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Post by Envoirment on Apr 26, 2012 18:25:22 GMT -5
Adele (XL/Columbia) 85-90k
Seems "Rumour Has It" is helping the album stabalise quite well.
Gotye (Fairfax/Universal Republic) 30-35k
Selling well! Perhaps it'll be able to go platinum by the end of the year? As it shouldn't have too much of a problem going gold.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Apr 26, 2012 19:24:52 GMT -5
It's great to see so many artists pulling off the whole longevity thing right now... Obviously there's the perennial smash Adele (set to pass 8.9 million on this coming chart.. wow), but Lionel Richie, One Direction, Gotye, and Black Keys have fantastic consistency as well.
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Post by Cerbius on Apr 26, 2012 19:31:44 GMT -5
The Wanted may not even debut in the top ten.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Apr 26, 2012 19:34:13 GMT -5
The Wanted may not even debut in the top ten. Poor boys don't know how to build a fanbase :'(
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Post by Taylor. on Apr 26, 2012 20:08:29 GMT -5
They're probably hoping their Christina shade will help bump their sales a bit.
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Post by Living Legend on Apr 26, 2012 21:31:54 GMT -5
The Wanted may not even debut in the top ten. I'm kind of happy they're doing poorly. I mean I like their music but it's a good snap back to reality. I didn't really appreciate their backhanded comments about One Direction or even about boy bands of the past. Maybe this will teach them to be a little more humble.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 26, 2012 21:50:06 GMT -5
Their estimate was adjusted even lower? I wonder if them attacking One Direction and other boybands so much really did put people off. Sorry, 30K is REALLY low for a cheaply priced album with the amount of promo they had (performances and #1 hit). Maybe they tried to force a rivalry too much and people just picked One Direction. I mean, I was not expecting massive numbers, but again, breaking 40K isn't a massive number
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Post by Cerbius on Apr 26, 2012 21:53:29 GMT -5
^^ Yeah those comments in addition to the ones they made against Christina makes it very difficult for me to root for them. I absolutely cannot at them implying that Christina is ugly...have they looked in the mirror lately?
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 26, 2012 21:56:50 GMT -5
I was wrong nevermind :)
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Post by onefrayedrepublic on Apr 26, 2012 22:05:09 GMT -5
^^ Yeah those comments in addition to the ones they made against Christina makes it very difficult for me to root for them. I absolutely cannot at them implying that Christina is ugly...have they looked in the mirror lately? Most of the Wanteds fans have not heard of Christina since she has not been relevent since most of them were 3rd graders. Thus, I think we can safely discount this explanation of their apparent underperformance.
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Post by Cerbius on Apr 26, 2012 22:10:35 GMT -5
^^ Yeah those comments in addition to the ones they made against Christina makes it very difficult for me to root for them. I absolutely cannot at them implying that Christina is ugly...have they looked in the mirror lately? Most of the Wanteds fans have not heard of Christina since she has not been relevent since most of them were 3rd graders. Thus, I think we can safely discount this explanation of their apparent underperformance. Uhh...nowhere in my post did I imply that they are flopping because of their comments towards Christina. They are flopping because they're the Jason Derulo of boybands. They seem to have an issue with "ugly" people-didn't they attack One Direction for being "ugly" too? I mean, you have to be pretty damn attractive to get away with walking around and calling everyone else ugly all the time. I don't recall them calling One Direction ugly--it would be incredibly ironic though. I'm glad their album is flopping. Hopefully this will knock them down a few pegs.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 26, 2012 22:13:23 GMT -5
Oops I was wrong. It was actually another no-name boyband who did the ugly calling. Will edit now!
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Post by Cerbius on Apr 26, 2012 22:15:09 GMT -5
Oops I was wrong. It was actually another no-name boyband who did the ugly calling. Will edit now! Haha no worries. I wouldn't put it past them, though.
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Post by leoapp on Apr 26, 2012 22:54:00 GMT -5
^^ Yeah those comments in addition to the ones they made against Christina makes it very difficult for me to root for them. I absolutely cannot at them implying that Christina is ugly...have they looked in the mirror lately? They are just too arrogant and big-headed imo, they will find it difficult to get fanbase in US.
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Post by maxsultan on Apr 27, 2012 2:05:01 GMT -5
I would almost feel sorry for The Wanted if they werent so arrogant and -big-headed. Ashley Tabor, who runs Global Management that also manage The Wanted, recently did an interview with Music Week where he basically stated One Direction are a Disney group and were for little kids while The Wanted were a group who were above all that and would be played on radio more. That is true enough in the UK because the guy has banned One Direction from his two national radio stations that he owns. Nice to see Lionel continue to hold on well. This CD isnt my kind of thing but its great to see such great sales for him this era. Adele continues to amaze with her sales too.
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Post by kml567 on Apr 27, 2012 8:05:04 GMT -5
The Wanted have constantly ridiculed One Direction in interviews for their appeal to young fans and the fact The Wanted are more than just a typical boyband.Flashback to 98 Degrees subtly shading Backstreet Boys and *NSync only to watch the boyband craze take over while more mature r&b/soul type groups effectively went out of style. You know, for all the 'rivalry' talk I never actually got why TW and 1D were always pitted against each other, or at the least, why that supposed rivalry was expected to continue over here. Their appeal and marketing tactics are so different that they're really not related at all to me. In fact that is the main reason why TW is not selling much right now IMO; they don't want to aim themselves toward t(w)eens, while 1D is making a point to cater to that market in every way possible and raking in the sales as a result. I know I'm not the only one who called it months ago that TW would probably do better with their single(s) but 1D would have the bigger following and better selling album in the end (and it's not like GYC is doing SO much better than WMYB). If this were 15 years ago maybe TW would have had a chance...I definitely remember having some serious BSB vs. *NSync discussions when I was in college; we 18-24 year olds were not averse to openly liking boy bands. But I would guess 18-24 olds now aren't even checking for a new group like that and might even be a bit snooty about the idea, so TW is doing good to be just another act with a catchy pop song...and we have seen how far that typically gets new artists. If they keep pumping out the hits though, they might eventually work their way up to gold. I also think they would likely have debuted better if they had given CTS time to become a big hit before releasing the album...that would have maybe got them up to 75k, at least past 50k. Thank you for the insightful post. I think that's a legit explanation for the sales difference. One Direction are for children, and The Wanted are marketed towards the age 18-24 crowd. Tweens are well known to buy more albums, so it's not a surprise. If they had pursued to promote via Nickelodeon/Disney/teen magazines like One Direction, sales would have been a lot higher. But marketing towards older fans did help them get a #1 airplay hit. Plenty of new artists debut with low numbers but eventually grow a fanbase as they get more radio hits. I guess we shall see.
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Post by Taylor. on Apr 27, 2012 14:39:49 GMT -5
One Direction are for children Not really-- you'd be surprised at the number of older fans they have. Sure, they wisely marketed towards the younger demographic, but that doesn't mean kids are their sole supporters. If you watch their interviews the band is actually quite explicit-- see the interview where they talk about how good they are in bed and their uncircumcised penises.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Apr 27, 2012 14:56:38 GMT -5
EVeryone I know who likes One Direction is in their 20s and it feels like most of their promo has not been geared at Radio Disney or whatever. I do think their music appeals to kids so it probably helps that they are getting children AND adults and teenagers as opposed to The Wanted who seems to be falling into the Derulo trap a bit.
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Post by Living Legend on Apr 27, 2012 17:24:16 GMT -5
EVeryone I know who likes One Direction is in their 20s and it feels like most of their promo has not been geared at Radio Disney or whatever. I do think their music appeals to kids so it probably helps that they are getting children AND adults and teenagers as opposed to The Wanted who seems to be falling into the Derulo trap a bit. I agree about One Direction having more mass appeal. It reminds me of Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys & NSYNC during 1998-2002. Their music appealed to kids and adults. I remember going to their concerts and seeing a lot of diversity among their fans and people ages 5-50 there. Granted the people 30-50 were mostly there for their kids but they did have a wide range of fans.
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Post by pnobelysk on Apr 27, 2012 20:16:01 GMT -5
EVeryone I know who likes One Direction is in their 20s and it feels like most of their promo has not been geared at Radio Disney or whatever. I do think their music appeals to kids so it probably helps that they are getting children AND adults and teenagers as opposed to The Wanted who seems to be falling into the Derulo trap a bit. eh theyve heavily promoted on nickolodeon and did the kids choice awards, nothing wrong with that though
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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 27, 2012 20:23:16 GMT -5
The Wanted, Lee Brice, Kip Moore Heading For Top 10 on Billboard 200
April 27, 2012 | By Keith Caulfield, Los Angeles
It seems a foregone conclusion that Jack White will score his first No. 1 album next week on the Billboard 200 with "Blunderbuss," while the top 10 could see arrivals from the Wanted, Lee Brice and Kip Moore.
Industry sources suggest that White's solo debut may sell between 100,000 and 120,000 copies by the end of the tracking week on April 29. Either Adele's "21" or Lionel Richie's "Tuskegee" will end up in the No. 2 slot.
The new Billboard 200 chart's top 10 will be revealed on the morning of May 2.
Country singer Lee Brice might be the second-highest debut next week with his sophomore album, "Hard 2 Love." The set, which includes his recent No. 1 Country Songs hit "A Woman Like You," may sell around 35,000 to 45,000 copies.
On course for about the same start is British vocal group the Wanted, with its self-titled U.S. debut. The effort is led by the smash No. 3 Billboard Hot 100 single "Glad You Came." The act will be the second new U.K. group to bow in the top 10 this year, following One Direction. The latter saw its "Up All Night" debut at No. 1 with 176,000 sold, according to Nielsen SoundScan on the chart dated March 31.
The third-best bow may come from Kip Moore with his debut album, "Up All Night," with around 30,000 to 35,000. The set's single "Somethin' 'Bout a Truck" broke into the top 10 on the Country Songs chart this week, rising 11-9 in its 29th week on the tally.
On Nielsen SoundScan's Building chart (below), White is No. 1, while Adele and Richie are at Nos. 2 and 3, respectively. The Building tally is a precursor to the final Billboard 200 ranking, reflecting the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week as reported by six major merchants.
As for the rest of the Building Chart: Brice is at No. x4, while One Direction's "Up All Night" is No. 5. Right behind 1D is Moore's "Up All Night," followed by the Wanted's self-titled set at No. 7. Jason Mraz's "Love is a Four Letter Word" is No. 8, Nicki Minaj's "Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded" is No. 9 and Josh Abbott Band's new "Small Town Family Dream" is No. 10. Nielsen SoundScan Building Chart
Rank LW BB 200 Artist Title
1 NEW Jack White "Blunderbuss" 2 3 Adele "21" 3 1 Lionel Richie "Tuskegee" 4 NEW Lee Brice "Hard 2 Love" 5 5 One Direction "Up All Night" 6 NEW Kip Moore "Up All Night" 7 NEW The Wanted "The Wanted" 8 2 Jason Mraz "Love Is a Four Letter Word" 9 6 Nicki Minaj "Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded" 10 NEW Josh Abbott Band "Small Town Family Dream"
The Building Chart reflects the first four days (Monday through Thursday) of SoundScan's tracking week (which ends Sunday) as reported by six major merchants: iTunes, Trans World Entertainment, Best Buy, Starbucks, Target and Anderson Merchandisers. Billboard estimates that they make up about 85% of all U.S. album sales.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2012 20:38:03 GMT -5
5 5 One Direction "Up All Night" 6 NEW Kip Moore "Up All Night" 7 NEW The Wanted "The Wanted"
*dead banana*
But oh well. I don't know why The Wanted are releasing their album rn anyway, I thought they were going to wait until they had at least another hit single out.
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Post by Stefan85 on Apr 27, 2012 21:54:36 GMT -5
N'Sync didn't exactly start off strongly against the Backstreet Boys either. Not that I'm saying The Wanted will eventually eclipse One Direction in terms of popularity, but don't completely count them out yet.
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Post by Verisimilitude on Apr 27, 2012 22:31:32 GMT -5
*N'SYNC's debut album did sell close to 10 million copies, if I recall well.
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