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Post by evan93 on Oct 11, 2012 8:47:18 GMT -5
I don't understand. If they count the pop airplay and sales, then what's the differences between country song and Billboard 100? weird Exactly my point. Count crossover airplay for the Hot 100 but in a genre chart only that genre airplay should be counted
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 11, 2012 8:50:12 GMT -5
So does this mean Blown Away won't be a Billboard #1? Of course they had to introduce this ridiculous new formula the week it was going to hit #1. :(
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Oct 11, 2012 8:53:31 GMT -5
So does this mean Blown Away won't be a Billboard #1? Of course they had to introduce this ridiculous new formula the week it was going to hit #1. :( #1 country airplay but probably not country song :(
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2012 8:56:57 GMT -5
So does this mean Blown Away won't be a Billboard #1? Of course they had to introduce this ridiculous new formula the week it was going to hit #1. :( Right, it isn't likely to hit #1 now. And, really, Carrie will have a tough time getting another #1 unless she releases music when Taylor isn't releasing it. Technically this new chart mess started the week before "BA" would have hit #1.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Oct 11, 2012 9:01:24 GMT -5
Guys - Hot Country Songs will still be the main Country Billboard chart. Blown Away should be #1 on that chart this week. This is a secondary chart - an accompanying chart. Have you looked to the web? Hot country songs : 1. WE ARE NEVER EVER GETTING BACK TOGETHER 2. BEGIN AGAIN 3. BLOWN AWAY
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2012 9:02:22 GMT -5
Guys - Hot Country Songs will still be the main Country Billboard chart. Blown Away should be #1 on that chart this week. This is a secondary chart - an accompanying chart. Where are you getting that? If you go to billboard.com and click on Charts and then Country Songs, the chart that has Taylor at #1 comes up. That is now Billboard's main country chart.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 11, 2012 9:04:02 GMT -5
So, since Hot Country Songs now includes airplay from other formats (like pop) in their rankings as well as sales, can someone explain what the difference is now between it and the Hot 100?
It looked to be a lock that Carrie would hit #1 on Billboard Hot Country Songs this week, keeping her top 2 streak alive. With this new rule, that streak will likely be broken. :(
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Post by carriekins on Oct 11, 2012 9:04:24 GMT -5
Guys - Hot Country Songs will still be the main Country Billboard chart. Blown Away should be #1 on that chart this week. This is a secondary chart - an accompanying chart. Where are you getting that? If you go to billboard.com and click on Charts and then Country Songs, the chart that has Taylor at #1 comes up. That is now Billboard's main country chart. I meant Country Airplay - sorry, typo. Based on the information in Country Update earlier this week it made it sound like Country Airplay would still be the main chart; that's what I was basing it. Carrie will be #1 on *that* chart. Silly title changes.
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Post by teddies on Oct 11, 2012 9:11:04 GMT -5
So, since Hot Country Songs now includes airplay from other formats (like pop) in their rankings as well as sales, can someone explain what the difference is now between it and the Hot 100? It looked to be a lock that Carrie would hit #1 on Billboard Hot Country Songs this week, keeping her top 2 streak alive. With this new rule, that streak will likely be broken. :( HCS is now basically the Hot 100 with country artists filtered and clumped in to a "country" category. If you look at the Hot 100, go through until you find a country artist, pick them out and compile a list. There's your HCS chart.
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 11, 2012 9:16:36 GMT -5
Where are you getting that? If you go to billboard.com and click on Charts and then Country Songs, the chart that has Taylor at #1 comes up. That is now Billboard's main country chart. I meant Country Airplay - sorry, typo. Based on the information in Country Update earlier this week it made it sound like Country Airplay would still be the main chart; that's what I was basing it. Carrie will be #1 on *that* chart. Silly title changes. I really, really hope so. Because the new Country Songs chart is pretty much meaningless to me now. These chart changes made me lose a ton of respect for Billboard.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2012 9:22:25 GMT -5
So, since Hot Country Songs now includes airplay from other formats (like pop) in their rankings as well as sales, can someone explain what the difference is now between it and the Hot 100? It looked to be a lock that Carrie would hit #1 on Billboard Hot Country Songs this week, keeping her top 2 streak alive. With this new rule, that streak will likely be broken. :( HCS is now basically the Hot 100 with country artists filtered and clumped in to a "country" category. If you look at the Hot 100, go through until you find a country artist, pick them out and compile a list. There's your HCS chart. Exactly. In a way, there is no point to having the Country Songs chart as we could do it ourselves. Also, I emailed Silvio of Billboard and asked how they determine a song's genre; I asked if there is a minimum amount of airplay required or something. He said: I had to laugh. Taylor's own label admitted "WANEGBT" isn't country, and a country version was created. The song still flopped at country, and that version isn't available for download anyway. So, Billboard determined the main version is country? Really?
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Oct 11, 2012 9:23:39 GMT -5
Well, we can kiss our #1 goodbye as Taylor's new single will block BA from #1. :(
and Reba, Brad, Miranda, ZBB, Dierks and all the other country singers can kiss that top 10 goodbye since crossover airplay will count in country chart :(
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Post by countrygirl918 on Oct 11, 2012 9:26:47 GMT -5
Well, #1s on the Country Airplay chart will still count as official #1s, right? And Blown Away will still hit #1 on that chart.
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Post by carriekins on Oct 11, 2012 9:32:02 GMT -5
My gut feeling says that a label will celebrate and "count" a #1 on Country Airplay, just like they "count" and celebrate the #1s on Mediabase (even though there are many who would have - previously - counted/preferred/given more weight to the #1 Hot Country Songs #1.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Oct 11, 2012 9:34:12 GMT -5
Well, #1s on the Country Airplay chart will still count as official #1s, right? And Blown Away will still hit #1 on that chart. but Country Songs will be the main chart in country genre. so Taylor now can claim that she has the #1 song when she performs at the CMA nov 1.
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 11, 2012 9:39:57 GMT -5
Well, #1s on the Country Airplay chart will still count as official #1s, right? And Blown Away will still hit #1 on that chart. but Country Songs will be the main chart in country genre. so Taylor now can claim that she has the #1 song when she performs at the CMA nov 1. Right. Even if labels use Country Airplay for things, and we as fans watch it, in terms of 'official' stats it will be Country Songs.
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Post by dbhmr on Oct 11, 2012 10:14:51 GMT -5
Cue pop remixes of Carrie's singles in 3, 2,...
A ridiculous rule, but so much of Carrie's music is already pop oriented that I suspect she'll start playing this game, as well. She seems too driven to accept that she'll only get #1s when Taylor decides not to release music.
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Post by michellef on Oct 11, 2012 10:21:48 GMT -5
wow...i usually only lurk here, but that new chart is just stupid. so in order to get a country #1, country artists need to sing pop music now?? that's just ridiculous!
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Post by Marv on Oct 11, 2012 10:54:15 GMT -5
Jensglibe---That's why arguably our most respected poster (Zazie) hysterically designated BB's 'Hot 100' as the 'Lukewarm 100' a few years ago.
It's been overemphasizing digital sales for several years running, which is ridiculous, and is too easy to manipulate.
Congrats to Carrie on reaching #1 at CA/MB; she'll undoubtedly get another week in the penthouse next week.
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Post by desertfloods on Oct 11, 2012 10:57:37 GMT -5
And some people used to say that they take Billboard rather than Mediabase more seriously because....??
The new "main country chart" is a complete joke. It will only make more sense if they count country airplay ONLY to determine the hot country songs. Or at least have a formula that put a hell lot more weights on country airplay.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 11, 2012 11:56:58 GMT -5
This is absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by bornfearless2000 on Oct 11, 2012 12:00:54 GMT -5
This is absolutely ridiculous. you tell me :'(
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 11, 2012 12:11:58 GMT -5
Let me get this right, Taylor's "Country" song is #1 on the Country chart based on its Pop airplay, which is generating its digital sales.
Pop airplay + Pop digital sales = #1 on Country chart
...basically?
If this song was receiving any support from Country radio, I wouldn't be as pissed. But this song was literally DROPPED by radio stations from rotation, or decreased dramatically and it never even made it in to the top 10 for airplay. Now it sits somewhere in the 30s/40s for airplay on Country radio, but it's Pop airplay weighs enough to completely undermine Country's lack of support, making it #1.
Some kind of petition is seriously needed because this is just ridiculous. Clearly this is not a Country song, and not well liked throughout the Country community, but it's the #1 song based predominately on its Pop airplay plus digital sales? This is just repulsive. I'm not even mad as a Carrie fan, although that adds fuel the fire - I'm mad at the fact that this formula essentially undermines what is most important in Country music, and that is Country radio airplay.
I'm absolutely repulsed by this, and this does not represent Country music well at all. It's just a measurement of Pop music's influence over Country, not the other way around, as it should be.
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Post by Lozzy on Oct 11, 2012 12:13:58 GMT -5
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Post by joey2002 on Oct 11, 2012 13:43:25 GMT -5
My favorite part is that the #2 song is "Red" – an album track.
Suddenly Mediabase is looking better and better...
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Post by McCreerian (Harris 2024!) on Oct 11, 2012 13:44:37 GMT -5
Won't Carrie just reach #1 on the "Billboard Country airplay" chart now? That chart just changed its name, thats it. So it should still work similar to Mediabase. I don't see what the issue is. I mean its a name change!
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Post by Lozzy on Oct 11, 2012 13:46:26 GMT -5
Won't Carrie just reach #1 on the "Billboard Country airplay" chart now? That chart just changed its name, thats it. So it should still work similar to Mediabase. I don't see what the issue is. I mean its a name change! It's been tossed into Billboard's bin of irrelevant charts. It may still exist, but the new chart has taken the old one's place (and name). It's definitely not the same.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Oct 11, 2012 13:54:54 GMT -5
Won't Carrie just reach #1 on the "Billboard Country airplay" chart now? That chart just changed its name, thats it. So it should still work similar to Mediabase. I don't see what the issue is. I mean its a name change! It'll count as a #1, but not one people "care" about.
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Post by joey2002 on Oct 11, 2012 13:59:27 GMT -5
Won't Carrie just reach #1 on the "Billboard Country airplay" chart now? That chart just changed its name, thats it. So it should still work similar to Mediabase. I don't see what the issue is. I mean its a name change! It's been tossed into Billboard's bin of irrelevant charts. It may still exist, but the new chart has taken the old one's place (and name). It's definitely not the same. Country Airplay[/i] is the only Billboard chart that the longtime dedicated chart-watchers will care to follow. www.billboard.com/charts/country-songs#/charts/country-airplay
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Post by Uncle Lumpy on Oct 11, 2012 14:10:24 GMT -5
It's been tossed into Billboard's bin of irrelevant charts. It may still exist, but the new chart has taken the old one's place (and name). It's definitely not the same. Country Airplay[/i] is the only Billboard chart that the longtime dedicated chart-watchers will care to follow. www.billboard.com/charts/country-songs#/charts/country-airplay[/quote]Yes, but if its not official, it kinda takes the fun from chart watching. Sweet baby Jesus, I'm empathizing with Carrie fans.
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