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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 9, 2013 1:11:50 GMT -5
I don't understand those who think GUY needs to be a single. Listening to the whole album for the umpteenth time...
DWYW - slam dunk! No contest! #1! (And it's only a matter of time until this passes Unconditionally) it's the better song.
Gypsy- obviously 3rd. I hope they don't fuck it up with Venus, imo. I originally said Venus, but no. Clearly no. Lets be real here. This is clearly the 3rd single.
And that's it quite frankly. There are no other CHR singles, and the 3 given might last long enough for an entire era as it is, so she'll be fine. But in reality, that's it in terms of mainstream singles. The others will flop.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Nov 9, 2013 1:36:50 GMT -5
I don't understand those who think GUY needs to be a single. Listening to the whole album for the umpteenth time... DWYW - slam dunk! No contest! #1! (And it's only a matter of time until this passes Unconditionally) it's the better song. Gypsy- obviously 3rd. I hope they don't f**k it up with Venus, imo. I originally said Venus, but no. Clearly no. Lets be real here. This is clearly the 3rd single. And that's it quite frankly. There are no other CHR singles, and the 3 given might last long enough for an entire era as it is, so she'll be fine. But in reality, that's it in terms of mainstream singles. The others will flop. So you think they should just end the entire era with only 3 singles even if all the singles are really successful? That is quite a bizarre release strategy and I am not sure I have ever seen that happen unless exceptional circumstances happened (like, JT releasing part 2). I guess they might do that, but I think it is much more likely they will push some of the slightly less radio friendly, but still catchy songs to pop radio and especially an international audience. At least, I hope they do. The pop world would be the most boring place on earth if no pop stars ever released anything slightly off-center to the format. I would rather have the occasional Judas from Gaga than her only releasing the safest, tailored only for radio and nothing else songs all the time. I am sure a lot would disagree with me there though ^_^ |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 9, 2013 1:40:14 GMT -5
I don't understand those who think GUY needs to be a single. Listening to the whole album for the umpteenth time... DWYW - slam dunk! No contest! #1! (And it's only a matter of time until this passes Unconditionally) it's the better song. Gypsy- obviously 3rd. I hope they don't f**k it up with Venus, imo. I originally said Venus, but no. Clearly no. Lets be real here. This is clearly the 3rd single. And that's it quite frankly. There are no other CHR singles, and the 3 given might last long enough for an entire era as it is, so she'll be fine. But in reality, that's it in terms of mainstream singles. The others will flop. So you think they should just end the entire era with only 3 singles even if all the singles are really successful? That is quite a bizarre release strategy and I am not sure I have ever seen that happen unless exceptional circumstances happened (like, JT releasing part 2). I guess they might do that, but I think it is much more likely they will push some of the slightly less radio friendly, but still catchy songs to pop radio and especially an international audience. Well yes. I think the 3 singles will have great longevity, as seen from Applause, and imo, that will continue. But beyond that, no, I don't think anything they release will be successful on CHR radio. But the 3 singles could last the same time as 5 regular singles. |
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 9, 2013 1:44:46 GMT -5
No im not just saying they should end the entire era if its successful, but lets be real, NOTHING on this album is a slam dunk after Gypsy. Not even GUY. I'm not hearing it.
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Post by Keelzit on Nov 9, 2013 1:58:48 GMT -5
The only singles left are Gypsy, G.U.Y and Venus released in that same order if she wants to have a successful era. 3 dance songs in a row might be too much especially if the 3rd one is as weird as Venus is but I'm very hopeful about that song so I wouldn't mind if we got the video for it like 8 months earlier than if it was released as the 5th single.
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Post by die Lotterie on Nov 9, 2013 2:02:30 GMT -5
So you think they should just end the entire era with only 3 singles even if all the singles are really successful? That is quite a bizarre release strategy and I am not sure I have ever seen that happen unless exceptional circumstances happened (like, JT releasing part 2). I guess they might do that, but I think it is much more likely they will push some of the slightly less radio friendly, but still catchy songs to pop radio and especially an international audience. Well yes. I think the 3 singles will have great longevity, as seen from Applause, and imo, that will continue. But beyond that, no, I don't think anything they release will be successful on CHR radio. But the 3 singles could last the same time as 5 regular singles. The longevity of Slayplause is a rarity. I don't see any artist having that occur three times in a row. |
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Post by josh on Nov 9, 2013 2:13:19 GMT -5
This is rebounding big time on iTunes. DWUW is gaining a lot too, but not as much. All green pop bars for almost 36 hours. Up to #16, with 3 CMA songs about to fall below it. Should pass Drake and 1D easily enough, but then big gap to make it back into the top 10. But the album release is almost here, so it will probably return then.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 9, 2013 2:17:00 GMT -5
lol...DWYW is going to slay the charts , and I bet $100 bucks we'll see that song SLAY thru the Xmas freeze. Don't forget, it's coming...
It's gonna slay in the same fashion that C'mon slayed thru last year, if any of you remember. ;) bookmark me.
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Nov 9, 2013 3:10:53 GMT -5
idk, I'm onboard with "Venus" being the next single. I don't get the Gypsy love... did I say that already? probably. I've been on such a Gaga high since the leak though, going through all her albums/my favorites. good performance of DWYW. :) You thought so? i thought it was a damn mess, especially the made up verse and everything that ensued. "Venus" was okay, with the exception of the obviously lipped parts. And wth was that guitar thing about. weird. Still, ARTPOP is a dynamic, memorable album that, while it fails to unveil the girl behind the aura, reveals a performer who finally sounds as invested in her art as she is in her image.(Interscope) And this is exactly how I feel. I can't appreciate the last 1/3 of the album, in fact I kind of hate it, and her performances have been a mess outside of the Fame era, but I can't fault her for it because of the exact quote above. |
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Post by ILLUSION on Nov 9, 2013 7:44:21 GMT -5
This album has really grown on me. I actually really like it now. It's just a fun album to jam to.
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Post by Nick on Nov 9, 2013 9:18:02 GMT -5
I must be the only person on here who hasn't heard the full album yet.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 9, 2013 9:31:11 GMT -5
This album has really grown on me. I actually really like it now. It's just a fun album to jam to. Opposite for me actually. Album has grown off of me. After DWYW, i skip all the way to Gypsy. What's good is really good, but the rest is filler and unlistenable. I've still never heard Dope in its entirety. |
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Post by charbok on Nov 9, 2013 9:45:11 GMT -5
What's up with all the hate for Dope? I love Dope - I think it's catchy, awesome, and I love the grungier vocals.
My favorites off the CD are G.U.Y., Aura, Dope, Applause, and Venus.
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 9, 2013 10:01:05 GMT -5
So I've been listening to this back and forth over the past week to get a good sense of my stance on it.
The mastering is the biggest issue here, and it is a very big one. Everything is made to sound so loud that it ends up distorted and falling apart on multiple tracks. G.U.Y. and Sexxx Dreams are two tracks that are withheld from reaching their full potential because of this. I've said that Applause would be bettered as well with a re-tweaking, that still holds. Swine survives because it's more sparse in the production, but when they try to layer the sounds on tracks like the first two I mentioned, it ends up hurting the final result a lot. The true shame here is that this is her strongest album vocally so far, but you can't really hear it because it's so buried and cluttered.
If Born This Way was a departure from The Fame/The Fame Monster, ARTPOP is more of a standstill and a look back. This album reaches back to the past far more than her other ones. This is seen in Venus going for the Bad Romance/Judas type structure with the big euro chorus, multiple hook attempts and aggressive delivery on the verses. Aura kinda goes for this as well with regards to the verses. Fashion! and Donatella reach back to her debut for the fame pastiche and commentaries. MJH is HML pt. 2. Gypsy is TEOG pt. 2. Manicure finds uses the same stuttering effect she's done over and over, and again no where near as well as before. She seems to not have found a lot of new ideas for the time being since her last album. This wouldn't be an issue if these tools were used to the strengths that she's used them before, but they're not. They're far far weaker than in their previous uses.
The new ground that is broken is in the more straightforward R&B influenced, but still very her, tracks in Artpop & DWUW. These are by far the strongest offerings and the project would have benefitted if she had pursued this direction more than backtrack into old tricks with less effectiveness. It's where the songwriting and execution is the strongest.
Overall, it's very disappointing, largely because the biggest issue stems from something that could have been so easily avoided. It was a problem on BTW as well, especially when they tried to layer sounds on tracks like BTW & Americano, but nowhere near to the same extent it is here. On the whole, the project presents her weakest songwriting overall to date. The quartet between Swine & Gypsy should have been axed completely. It adds absolutely nothing. A tool that she used well when she first started and focused on fame as humor, that is nowhere to be found here. Donatella comes across as exactly the annoying kind of record, complete with those stupid accents, that she smartly avoided back then. Venus shows that her skills as a producer are...not good, at least not yet. The accents that were a problem on Born This Way ruin things here as well, especially in Aura. It would actually work far far better as the IM instrumental track with a better chorus during the breaks.
The good thing is that the juvenilia of her last album is much much more confined here, so props to her on cutting back on that. The "boo hoo, no one understands me/f**k you mom & dad, I'm me" sentiments sound incredibly stupid from a woman who is well into her 20s.
I'd put this somewhere with The Fame, maybe a bit below it actually since the highs aren't usually as high as the best tracks from that. It's such a shame too, because with some editing and tweaking, this could have actually been a really good album. There's a lot of potential just buried in really really bad mastering. Also, two key ingredients that made so much of her early material (the good parts) stand out are often missing, humor and fun. Often, it just comes across as tired, already done (and done better), and quite dull surprisingly.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Nov 9, 2013 10:34:57 GMT -5
I must be the only person on here who hasn't heard the full album yet. You're not. Maxy & I are being good monsters & waiting until the 11th :) |
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Post by chartfreak on Nov 9, 2013 11:19:12 GMT -5
I don't understand those who think GUY needs to be a single. Listening to the whole album for the umpteenth time... DWYW - slam dunk! No contest! #1! (And it's only a matter of time until this passes Unconditionally) it's the better song. Gypsy- obviously 3rd. I hope they don't f**k it up with Venus, imo. I originally said Venus, but no. Clearly no. Lets be real here. This is clearly the 3rd single. And that's it quite frankly. There are no other CHR singles, and the 3 given might last long enough for an entire era as it is, so she'll be fine. But in reality, that's it in terms of mainstream singles. The others will flop. So you think they should just end the entire era with only 3 singles even if all the singles are really successful? That is quite a bizarre release strategy and I am not sure I have ever seen that happen unless exceptional circumstances happened (like, JT releasing part 2). I guess they might do that, but I think it is much more likely they will push some of the slightly less radio friendly, but still catchy songs to pop radio and especially an international audience. At least, I hope they do. The pop world would be the most boring place on earth if no pop stars ever released anything slightly off-center to the format. I would rather have the occasional Judas from Gaga than her only releasing the safest, tailored only for radio and nothing else songs all the time. I am sure a lot would disagree with me there though ^_^ this could work if Gaga fans can handle songs not doing well on the charts, bringing her up only for chart analysis, but Madonna went left field with Bedtime Story and at the time was her worst charting single after a successful run, so yes Gaga could easily release singles that may be a bit much for mainstream and maybe that is what she wants to do and if anyone can be successful at it, Gaga's the most likely. Will be fun to watch. :) |
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Post by jazzyskye10² on Nov 9, 2013 13:06:51 GMT -5
I must be the only person on here who hasn't heard the full album yet. I'm waiting until the 11th also. |
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Post by Rocky on Nov 9, 2013 13:13:26 GMT -5
DWYW - slam dunk! No contest! #1! (And it's only a matter of time until this passes Unconditionally) it's the better song. lol...DWYW is going to slay the charts , and I bet $100 bucks we'll see that song SLAY thru the Xmas freeze. Don't forget, it's coming... It's gonna slay in the same fashion that C'mon slayed thru last year, if any of you remember. ;) bookmark me. Are you bipolar, hon?  Yes, I remember. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 14:03:52 GMT -5
So apparently Walmart censored the booklet too…  |
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Nov 9, 2013 14:05:37 GMT -5
Fuck Walmart!
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 9, 2013 14:32:48 GMT -5
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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Nov 9, 2013 17:42:02 GMT -5
…and festive!
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Post by Rocky on Nov 9, 2013 17:54:10 GMT -5
 At least they're creative. That's all I wanted to comment on it.  I want a balloon. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 18:24:38 GMT -5
So random though, like you would think they'd just crop the pictures or add a border or something….but they added balloons? |
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Post by Keelzit on Nov 9, 2013 18:27:45 GMT -5
Those balloons actually fit with the concept of the album and make the photos look even more explicit.  |
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Post by Peaches. [Ch, r. is] on Nov 9, 2013 19:48:51 GMT -5
Who censors these? Surely, Walmart doesn't open every case they have and add balloons to them. Besides, this looks familiar, didn't they do this with another album?
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Nov 9, 2013 21:13:22 GMT -5
Quick question:
Back before her injury and when ARTPOP was supposed to come out, i remember talk about a sure-fire smash that "didnt matter when it was released, seasons or not, cuz it would've smashed regardless"
Was that Applause?
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Post by Rocky on Nov 9, 2013 21:20:41 GMT -5
Listened to the clean versions of some song. Here is "Jewels n' Drugs""Don't want your jewels, want your dick..." I'm laughing so hard. |
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Post by Myeahhh. on Nov 9, 2013 21:26:56 GMT -5
Listened to the clean versions of some song. Here is "Jewels n' Drugs""Don't want your jewels, want your dick..." I'm laughing so hard. "Greetings from Himeros, God of.........desire." Why are these so much funnier than normal edited albums? |
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Post by Rocky on Nov 9, 2013 21:30:20 GMT -5
Listened to the clean versions of some song. Here is "Jewels n' Drugs""Don't want your jewels, want your dick..." I'm laughing so hard. "Greetings from Himeros, God of.........desire." Why are these so much funnier than normal edited albums? These edits are always funny. Can't wait for the kidz bop version of Sexxx Dreams, DWUW and GUY. |
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