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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jun 21, 2012 18:26:54 GMT -5
Let's look at Kenny Chesney's last few albums:
2004: When the Sun Goes Down: 550,000 2005: Be As You Are: 311,000 2005: The Road and the Radio: 465,000 2007: Just Who I Am: Poets and Pirates: 387,000 2008: Lucky Old Sun: 176,000 2010: Hemingway's Whiskey: 183,000 2012: Welcome to the Fishbowl: ~190k
He took a major hit when he switched his sound from traditional country to Jimmy Buffet-style "Island Country," but he's stayed remarkably consistent since then.
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Jun 21, 2012 18:29:38 GMT -5
I was thinking him also. He has to be the closest & only person to have done that. Working backwards: Recovery: 741,000 Relapse: 609,000 Encore: 710,000 (in a three-day first week) The Eminem Show: 1,322,000 (in its second chart week, but first full week) The Marshall Mathers LP: 1,760,000 Slim Shady LP: 283,0000 Infinite: >1,000 Guess you've solved the mystery :) IDK why people are fixated w/500k+ in the 1st week, especially from a Pop star, when most of them can't get scan 200k
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 21, 2012 18:49:41 GMT -5
Wow how did I not think of Eminem? His sales results are absolutely amazing. I can see his next album opening huge too. When he first came out I seriously would have never, ever, ever, ever predicted him to become probably the biggest star of the next decade. I say probably because yes, I understand some people will argue that 3-4 other artists are technically bigger and I am not saying that to start some sort of stan discussion over who is better. I am just amazed by the consistent level of his wild success over the past 10 years or so.
Anyway, my point was going to be that not many albums open that huge anymore and even artists that could or can open that big often simmer down as time passes. Very few artists maintain sales numbers from their peaks forever.
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Post by on2thenext1 on Jun 21, 2012 18:54:47 GMT -5
Anyway, my point was going to be that not many albums open that huge anymore and even artists that could or can open that big often simmer down as time passes. Very few artists maintain sales numbers from their peaks forever. Who didn't already know that? ???
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 21, 2012 18:57:56 GMT -5
Anyway, my point was going to be that not many albums open that huge anymore and even artists that could or can open that big often simmer down as time passes. Very few artists maintain sales numbers from their peaks forever. Who didn't already know that? ??? I was talking to the person on the previous page who seemed to still expect Kenny to sell his peak numbers first week even though he is a veteran artist now basically.
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Post by on2thenext1 on Jun 21, 2012 19:09:41 GMT -5
Who didn't already know that? ??? I was talking to the person on the previous page who seemed to still expect Kenny to sell his peak numbers first week even though he is a veteran artist now basically. And I'm certain they already knew what u posted. I don't understand why when a comment is made about low or disappointing sales, a redundant briefing on how sales work in general is initiated. if sales are low to someone, it does not mean they don't know about sales trends, it just means they had higher expectations for whatever reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 19:11:29 GMT -5
One given constant about threads of this type on this board.
Sales will always be low to somebody
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Post by Love Plastic Love on Jun 21, 2012 19:14:12 GMT -5
I was talking to the person on the previous page who seemed to still expect Kenny to sell his peak numbers first week even though he is a veteran artist now basically. And I'm certain they already knew what u posted. I don't understand why when a comment is made about low or disappointing sales, a redundant briefing on how sales work in general is initiated. if sales are low to someone, it does not mean they don't know about sales trends, it just means they had hihger expectations for whatever reason. On Pulse, we consider ourselves a discussion board. If you don't want people responding to you, discussing, talking about chart facts and trajectories, you may want to get a blog. I am not saying this meanly at all. You just cannot expect to post comments and then expect everyone to ignore what you have said. In general, we are a pretty respectable group who likes talking about stuff and explaining opinions and that is basically what makes the message board work. A lot of posters here are also VERY new to watching charts and music so probably don't have a basis on historical musical trends, how charts work, etc. I don't assume everyone knows everything about everything dealing with music on here at any point. I don't even know everything and will ask or respect being told certain facts (like, I honestly did not remember Eminem and now I do so thank you poster who posted that!). Anyway, sorry if my post or discussion with you in any way upset you. It is a discussion board and I typically treat it as such. You are always free to ignore me or others if you do not wish to talk :)
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jun 21, 2012 19:15:06 GMT -5
Where's that Weakend Report? I'm hoping they release it before I go to bed tonight :/
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Post by on2thenext1 on Jun 21, 2012 19:31:21 GMT -5
And I'm certain they already knew what u posted. I don't understand why when a comment is made about low or disappointing sales, a redundant briefing on how sales work in general is initiated. if sales are low to someone, it does not mean they don't know about sales trends, it just means they had hihger expectations for whatever reason. On Pulse, we consider ourselves a discussion board. If you don't want people responding to you, discussing, talking about chart facts and trajectories, you may want to get a blog. I am not saying this meanly at all. You just cannot expect to post comments and then expect everyone to ignore what you have said. In general, we are a pretty respectable group who likes talking about stuff and explaining opinions and that is basically what makes the message board work. A lot of posters here are also VERY new to watching charts and music so probably don't have a basis on historical musical trends, how charts work, etc. I don't assume everyone knows everything about everything dealing with music on here at any point. I don't even know everything and will ask or respect being told certain facts (like, I honestly did not remember Eminem and now I do so thank you poster who posted that!). Anyway, sorry if my post or discussion with you in any way upset you. It is a discussion board and I typically treat it as such. You are always free to ignore me or others if you do not wish to talk :) I see, that makes sense
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 20:27:28 GMT -5
Justin Bieber will score his best-ever first week, while Kenny Chesney looks to top the 183.5k first week of his last album, 2010's Hemingway's Whiskey. Country music dominates the Top 15 this week with six, maybe seven, of the titles coming out of Nashville. One Direction, one of this year's biggest success stories, sees a slight bump in sales, possibly from the Bieber traffic in the stores. Here's how it looks headed into the weekend:
*Justin Bieber (Island/IDJ) 400-425k *Kenny Chesney (Blue Chair/Columbia Nashville) 190-210k *Fiona Apple (Epic) 65-70k Usher (RCA) 50-55k Adele (XL/Columbia) 50-55k Rock of Ages (WaterTower) 45-50k *Smashing Pumpkins (Martha's Music/EMI Label Services) 45-50k One Direction (Syco/Columbia) 40-45k Rush (Roadrunner) 27-30k Alan Jackson (Capitol Nashville/EMI) 25-28k Luke Bryan (Capitol Nashville/EMI) 24-27k Josh Turner (MCA Nashville) 23-27k *Dirty Heads (Five Seven) 20-23k Now Country 5 (UMe) 20-23k Carrie Underwood (19/Arista Nashville) 18-21k Lionel Richie (Mercury Nashville) 18-21k John Mayer (Columbia) 18-21k
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Post by tae04 on Jun 21, 2012 20:28:33 GMT -5
Nice opening week for Fiona
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 21, 2012 20:32:27 GMT -5
Bieber's NBC special did not rate very well on Wednesday (and tonight's probably will do no better). But, any number topping 400k (or even 300K) these days is impressive.
If Usher's album ends up with around 50K, that would be around a 61% drop- not too bad in that respect. But, still, a disappointing opening given his track record. We'll see how it plays out. Some albums have splashy debuts and then drop big; others have less-than-splashy debuts and hold up alright. And then some attain the very challenging huge debut and nice legs. As always, a number of factors will play into a title's longevity potential.
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Post by Honeymoon on Jun 21, 2012 20:43:45 GMT -5
I don't doubt Justin's album will go multi-platinum before the year is out. As rabid as his fans are with the iTunes sales he seems to be a very steady album seller long term. He was already a huge star when the second EP came out and it opened with less than 300k... it ended up with 3 million in two years. And there were no further hits off of it after "Baby".
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Post by ddlz on Jun 21, 2012 20:44:28 GMT -5
Fiona Apple (Epic) 65-70k
Decent sales.
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Post by Honeymoon on Jun 21, 2012 20:45:58 GMT -5
Bieber's NBC special did not rate very well on Wednesday (and tonight's probably will do no better). But, any number topping 400k (or even 200K) these days is impressive. If Usher's album ends up with around 50K, that would be around a 61% drop- not too bad in that respect. But, still, a disappointing opening given his track record. We'll see how it plays out. Some albums have splashy debuts and then drop big; others have less-than-splashy debuts and hold up alright. And then some attain the very challenging huge debut and nice legs. As always, a number of factors will play into a title's longevity potential. As long as Usher keeps scoring hits through the year, I don't doubt that the album will end up with at least 600k by year end. Not a great result by any means but after 15 years of hit-making it's not particularly shabby either.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 21, 2012 20:47:53 GMT -5
^True, especially in this day and age where there only have been a handful or so of multi-million-selling albums in the USA over the last couple of years.
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Post by ListenToItTwice on Jun 21, 2012 20:49:13 GMT -5
Rock of Ages (WaterTower) 45-50k
This echoes Burlesque as a smash soundtrack from a less-than-successful film.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 21, 2012 20:50:25 GMT -5
"Smash" is kinda exaggerating it. Burlesque is closing in on 600K scanned, which is a decent result, though, given the film's performance.
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Post by Honeymoon on Jun 21, 2012 20:53:00 GMT -5
Relatively speaking 600k for Burlesque kind of IS a smash for its genre. Outside of Twilight, how many film soundtracks have done those sales in the last couple years?
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 21, 2012 20:57:27 GMT -5
I see your point, but it's an album of mostly Christina Aguilera music, so it's not like it's a typical soundtrack that features a number of different acts. The couple of Cher tracks could have added a couple of hundred thousand in sales, too.
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Post by on2thenext1 on Jun 21, 2012 21:00:09 GMT -5
Bieber's NBC special did not rate very well on Wednesday (and tonight's probably will do no better). But, any number topping 400k (or even 300K) these days is impressive. he had a two day NBC Special? :o
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 21, 2012 21:27:04 GMT -5
^Yes. The first one scored a 0.9 in the 18-49 demo and 3.02 million viewers, per Nielsen.
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Post by pnobelysk on Jun 21, 2012 22:07:05 GMT -5
I don't doubt Justin's album will go multi-platinum before the year is out. As rabid as his fans are with the iTunes sales he seems to be a very steady album seller long term. He was already a huge star when the second EP came out and it opened with less than 300k... it ended up with 3 million in two years. And there were no further hits off of it after "Baby". somebody to love wasnt a huge hit, but it didnt do bad for him either
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Post by Agent Yoncé on Jun 21, 2012 23:30:15 GMT -5
50-55k for Usher's 2nd week? Shocker!
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Post by on2thenext1 on Jun 22, 2012 2:01:50 GMT -5
^Yes. The first one scored a 0.9 in the 18-49 demo and 3.02 million viewers, per Nielsen. For Fun... 2012 - Justin Bieber All Around The World [Part 1] (NBC): 3.3 million viewers 2012 - Adele Live In London (NBC): 6.18 million viewers 2011 - Lady Gaga A Very Gaga Thanksgiving (ABC): 5.5 million viewers 2010 - Mariah Carey Merry Christmas To You (ABC): 4.9 million viewers 2010 - Taylor Swift Speak Now (NBC): 4.42 million viewers 2010 - Beyonce I Am Yours World Tour (ABC): 4.44 million viewers *I got 3.3 million for Bieber's special from EW: insidetv.ew.com/2012/06/21/justin-bieber-nbc-ratings/
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Post by leilamaurizia on Jun 22, 2012 4:18:08 GMT -5
^Yes. The first one scored a 0.9 in the 18-49 demo and 3.02 million viewers, per Nielsen. For Fun... 2012 - Justin Bieber All Around The World [Part 1] (NBC): 3.3 million viewers 2012 - Adele Live In London (NBC): 6.18 million viewers 2011 - Lady Gaga A Very Gaga Thanksgiving (ABC): 5.5 million viewers 2010 - Mariah Carey Merry Christmas To You (ABC): 4.9 million viewers 2010 - Taylor Swift Speak Now (NBC): 4.42 million viewers 2010 - Beyonce I Am Yours World Tour (ABC): 4.44 million viewers *I got 3.3 million for Bieber's special from EW: insidetv.ew.com/2012/06/21/justin-bieber-nbc-ratings/Adding Carrie to the list and putting them in order: 2009- Carrie Underwood: An All-Star Holiday Special (FOX): 8.5 million viewers 2012 - Adele Live In London (NBC): 6.18 million viewers 2011 - Lady Gaga A Very Gaga Thanksgiving (ABC): 5.5 million viewers 2010 - Mariah Carey Merry Christmas To You (ABC): 4.9 million viewers 2010 - Beyonce I Am Yours World Tour (ABC): 4.44 million viewers 2010 - Taylor Swift Speak Now (NBC): 4.42 million viewers 2012 - Justin Bieber All Around The World [Part 1] (NBC): 3.3 million viewers * Source for Carrie #
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Post by brucelover on Jun 22, 2012 6:08:39 GMT -5
I see your point, but it's an album of mostly Christina Aguilera music, so it's not like it's a typical soundtrack that features a number of different acts. The couple of Cher tracks could have added a couple of hundred thousand in sales, too. 600k is a smash for Christina at this point though.
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Post by HolidayGuy on Jun 22, 2012 9:12:58 GMT -5
Music specials, in general, don't rate like they once did. Of course, scheduling has to do with it in some cases.
brucel- that is true, if we're comparing the numbers to Aguilera's last studio album.
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Post by NeRD on Jun 22, 2012 9:33:29 GMT -5
Usher (RCA) 50-55k
Wow.
Hopefully his future singles become hits to give this album some legs.
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