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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 24, 2007 21:55:13 GMT -5
'Smooth' had a latin vibe, fo sho!
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Post by Rumors on Sept 25, 2007 5:01:20 GMT -5
Many artists who sang as a "featuring" performer on Santana's songs don't have Latin vibes. Rob Thomas, Michelle Branch, and Steven Tyler certainly don't, but managed to sound pretty good on the Santana songs. I like Michelle but I've give you that one. She's doesn't have a lot of rhythm. However, even though Steven and Rob aren't latin artists, they have rhythm. Steven's been shaking his booty for years and Rob will actually get into his music at concerts. What does Chad to but stand there and play his guitar? The effort he gives in the video for this song is the most emotional-less thing I've seen in years. I guess it really irks me that this guy has had so much success when there are so many (better) artists out there that I perfer. It is what it is but I don't have to think it's right. Anyway, if you think this is the best song ever, great. I'll however think that Santana has taken something that was good (1st colloboration album) and completely ruined it. I do think he's a great guitarist but comes off pretty desperate for any type of success with this move. Chad Kroeger...simply please go away for at least a year. Geesh...
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Post by Kid Pulse on Sept 25, 2007 17:58:22 GMT -5
What is up with Chad being "emotionless"? Maybe he just doesn't connect well with you like he does with me with just about everything that he does. That's why Nickelback is my favorite band, and that's why I love this song.
And Chad Kroeger is gonna be a rock n roll legend (like it or not) but Rob can't choose between rock or pop, he's just a Hot AC legend, and most people don't even know what that means.
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Post by atlantaboy on Sept 25, 2007 18:37:56 GMT -5
What is up with Chad being "emotionless"? I think he just appears that way on stage and in his videos (i. e. he stands pretty stiff and always looks the same)...while Rob Thomas is overly dramatic - when he sings, and even in his interviews...IMO both of them write and sing with tons of emotion and that's why their both so popular - I'm waitin for the lead singer of Lifehouse (don't even know his name) to start gettin the same recognition they do
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Post by Kid Pulse on Sept 25, 2007 18:41:17 GMT -5
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Post by atlantaboy on Sept 25, 2007 18:43:58 GMT -5
And Chad Kroeger is gonna be a rock n roll legend (like it or not) but Rob can't choose between rock or pop, he's just a Hot AC legend, and most people don't even know what that means. I think both of 'em will be legends...Matchbox 20 has had 7 Top 10 CHR hits and Rob Thomas had 2 more - Nickelback has had 7 Top 10 CHR hits and Chad Kroeger had 1 more, maybe now 2 with the new Santana song
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Post by atlantaboy on Sept 25, 2007 18:46:17 GMT -5
Oh, it just makes it seem better in my opinion. Wait...sorry...confused...you mean Chad Kroeger's "solid" appearance or Rob Thomas's "melodramatic" appearance?
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Post by Rumors on Sept 25, 2007 19:06:23 GMT -5
What is up with Chad being "emotionless"? Maybe he just doesn't connect well with you like he does with me with just about everything that he does. That's why Nickelback is my favorite band, and that's why I love this song. And Chad Kroeger is gonna be a rock n roll legend (like it or not) but Rob can't choose between rock or pop, he's just a Hot AC legend, and most people don't even know what that means. LOL! I was going to comment on this but then I thought why bother. I'm glad you enjoy Nickleback.
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Post by atlantaboy on Sept 26, 2007 14:45:34 GMT -5
What is up with Chad being "emotionless"? Maybe he just doesn't connect well with you like he does with me with just about everything that he does. That's why Nickelback is my favorite band, and that's why I love this song. And Chad Kroeger is gonna be a rock n roll legend (like it or not) but Rob can't choose between rock or pop, he's just a Hot AC legend, and most people don't even know what that means. LOL! I was going to comment on this but then I thought why bother. I'm glad you enjoy Nickleback. Yeah but Rob Thomas is def. gonna be a "legend" too IMO - his ability to sing both pop and rock is seen as one of his strengths I think - The two formats that play "legendary" music I think are mainstream AC and classic rock...ten years from now, IMO mainstream AC stations will be playin MB20 and Rob Thomas, and classic rock stations will be playin Nickelback
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 26, 2007 19:10:38 GMT -5
I think Rob Thomas could be a legend in the same sense that someone like Stevie Nicks may be considered one, or Fleetwood Mac. But that depends on whether Rob continues on the road he's on or tries to cater to the current Pop audience, which would be a bad idea.
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Post by atlantaboy on Sept 27, 2007 16:59:29 GMT -5
I think Rob Thomas could be a legend in the same sense that someone like Stevie Nicks may be considered one, or Fleetwood Mac. But that depends on whether Rob continues on the road he's on or tries to cater to the current Pop audience, which would be a bad idea. There are plenty of pop/rock legends though - sorry if I said this before but he's really becoming the 90s/00s equivalent of Phil Collins...Phil Collins, Elton John, and Billy Joel are all certainly legends and all catered to the pop audiences of their time... I guess what I'm tryin to say is that I think he likes pop as well as rock (he's not just sellin himself out) and that's why he did that solo thing How did this discussion get started in a thread about Santana feat Chad Kroeger?
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Post by Kid Pulse on Sept 28, 2007 17:11:01 GMT -5
^ Because people started comparing this to the Santana song with Rob Thomas.
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Post by atlantaboy on Sept 28, 2007 17:48:16 GMT -5
^ Because people started comparing this to the Santana song with Rob Thomas. Ohhh...don't think Chad Kroeger can capture Santana's "Latin vibe" like Rob Thomas could, but IMO this is still a great song BTW, other important difference IMO is that Rob Thomas WROTE "Smooth" (on his own) so it really was HIS song
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Post by Kid Pulse on Sept 28, 2007 19:56:56 GMT -5
Chad wrote this song though.
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Post by atlantaboy on Sept 28, 2007 20:10:21 GMT -5
Chad wrote this song though. Nice! I hate to say it, but it seems like the person that contributes the least to these songs is Santana - looks like he's just ridin the waves of pop/rock singers Do you guys know if Michelle Branch wrote "The Game Of Love"?
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 28, 2007 20:55:15 GMT -5
Didn't Rob Thomas co-write that one?
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Post by shocker on Sept 30, 2007 5:31:48 GMT -5
Chad wrote this song though. Nice! I hate to say it, but it seems like the person that contributes the least to these songs is Santana - looks like he's just ridin the waves of pop/rock singers He had a part in writing "Maria Maria". He also co-wrote "Love of My Life" - the one with Dave Matthews. But you're right that he's capitalizing on these "Santana featuring ________ (insert pop-rock singer)" collaborations. Santana always has been a Latin guitarist 1st and foremost. His singing and songwriting talent comes in a distant 2nd. In that respect, he's much like Jimi Hendrix - guitarist 1st, singer and songwriter 2nd. No, the songwriters were Alex Ander and Rick Nowels.
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Post by crazyfun1 on Sept 30, 2007 18:19:57 GMT -5
^ Because people started comparing this to the Santana song with Rob Thomas. BTW, other important difference IMO is that Rob Thomas WROTE "Smooth" (on his own) so it really was HIS song OMG Amen to THAT! Yea...Rob Thomas actually wrote Smooth for his new wife Marisol at that time..whom he's still married to, and if you've seen the video for it, his wife is in that video numerous times. Chad does NOT have the same talent/writing skills Rob does..no way in he**! Chad is MONOTONE, Rob does it all..sings soft, loud, medium..real emotion..THAT is what music is all about..emotion.
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Post by Kid Pulse on Oct 1, 2007 7:26:07 GMT -5
They are both great at thier respective songwriting styles.
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Post by Kid Pulse on Oct 5, 2007 7:29:39 GMT -5
Top 20, and biggest bullet on Hot AC now. How bout that? 26 19 SANTANA Into The Night (f/C.... 2007 Arista/RMG 976 661 315 4.097
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Post by reception on Oct 7, 2007 13:30:17 GMT -5
It was the sure shot on Rick Dees this week.
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Post by Jorge_Str [Som3on3] on Oct 7, 2007 18:01:08 GMT -5
nice, finally i believe this has a change to peak at the top of the chart
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Post by shocker on Oct 10, 2007 0:58:36 GMT -5
Santana is one of the few artists/bands to have at least one pop hit in each of the last 5 decades!
He started the hit streak in 1969 with "Jingo", continued into the '70s, wound down in the '80s, picked up heavily in the late '90s, and contiunes to chart in the 2000s.
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Post by Ragin on Oct 10, 2007 7:53:43 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to hearing this, I still haven't yet.
As for Santana, I think he's a gifted guitarist, but I don't respect or admire him in any other regard. Most brilliant thing he's done is figure out that collaborations are the best way for him to contribute to the music world.
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Post by shocker on Oct 11, 2007 1:07:50 GMT -5
Chad Kroeger, IMO, might be the next big lead singer to go solo - or at least try out some solo projects before re-joining Nickelback. Hey, if Rob Thomas can do it, why can't Chad?
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Post by Ragin on Oct 11, 2007 6:55:26 GMT -5
I don't see any reason for Chad to go solo (of course I didn't see the reason for Rob Thomas either). I really don't think he will. I think he enjoys rocking out, and there's no reason to leave the rest of the band out of the limelight while he does it. AND, I have to tell you I don't sense the ego in Chad that I have in other lead singers like Rob Thomas.
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 12, 2007 19:57:23 GMT -5
I don't see any reason for Chad to go solo (of course I didn't see the reason for Rob Thomas either). I really don't think he will. I think he enjoys rocking out, and there's no reason to leave the rest of the band out of the limelight while he does it. AND, I have to tell you I don't sense the ego in Chad that I have in other lead singers like Rob Thomas. Yeah I agree that Chad can write whatever songs he wants for Nickelback - but I'm pretty sure that many of Rob Thomas's solo hits would've been (or were) rejected by the rest of Matchbox 20, esp. "Lonely No More" and "This Is How A Heart Breaks" cause they sounded so pop... Don't think Chad Kroeger has any reason to "go pop" (or wants to...just based on his songwriting) - although I think "Into The Night" shows that he's much more of a versatile songwriter than people think
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Post by Kid Pulse on Oct 12, 2007 20:06:11 GMT -5
I hope Chad doesn't go solo, and I strongly doubt he will.
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Post by Chase on Oct 12, 2007 21:14:36 GMT -5
Chad Kroeger, IMO, might be the next big lead singer to go solo - or at least try out some solo projects before re-joining Nickelback. Hey, if Rob Thomas can do it, why can't Chad? one word: talent. I heard this song for the first time a few days ago. I told myself that I would cast aside the fact that Chad Kroeger sang lead on this song. I still hated it. Lyrically shallow, and not even a Carlos Santana guitar riff could save it musically.
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Post by atlantaboy on Oct 13, 2007 9:43:28 GMT -5
Chad Kroeger, IMO, might be the next big lead singer to go solo - or at least try out some solo projects before re-joining Nickelback. Hey, if Rob Thomas can do it, why can't Chad? one word: talent. I heard this song for the first time a few days ago. I told myself that I would cast aside the fact that Chad Kroeger sang lead on this song. I still hated it. Lyrically shallow, and not even a Carlos Santana guitar riff could save it musically. Really gotta disagree with that - I think this song shows off how much songwriting talent Chad Kroeger actually has - I think this is a really catchy pop song that is nothin like anythin Chad has written before...yeah it's "lyrically shallow" but it's pop and pop as a genre is more "catchy", but more lyrically shallow (on purpose) - this certainly isn't more lyrically shallow than "Lonely No More" IMO for example
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