Lady GaGa f/Colby O'Donis - "Just Dance"

[musicfanpete]

This was just added on WTMX today, and just briefly touched the top 30 on HAC radio.

Any predictions on how high this might go?

[atlantaboy]

Yeah luckily for Hot AC the version with a rock beat is pretty popular (although kinda weird IMO singin "just dance" to a rock beat)...thinkin most HACs that lean CHR'll play it pretty heavily - others prob. won't touch it I think

[musicfanpete]

Well, up to #18 and still climbing! I must say I'm surprised this song has now outranked recent hits by Rihanna and Madonna, considering that this is her first hit. Like you said atlantaboy, I guess that slightly more "rock leaning" Hot AC version of this song has helped.

[KelownaGuy20]

I haven't heard this "rock leaning" version... sounds interesting.

I've really been caught off guard by Gaga's success. The fact that this song is doing well on CHR, HotAC, it's done well in Canada and Britain... I think that's just the sign of an awesome pop song.

[Battle601]

I didn't foresee this song becoming so huge the first time I heard it, but after a while, it grew on me and obviously many others, seeing how much longevity this has. I'd be interested to see how far "Poker Face" does in this sense as well. Already a #1 hit in Canada, it's looking to do the same in the US at least on CHR/Pop.

[musicfanpete]

Feb 18, 2009 11:02:29 GMT -5 KelownaGuy20 said:

I haven't heard this "rock leaning" version... sounds interesting.

I've really been caught off guard by Gaga's success. The fact that this song is doing well on CHR, HotAC, it's done well in Canada and Britain... I think that's just the sign of an awesome pop song.

It's not really that much different from the dance version, just a bit more of a rock beat and minus the bridge with Colby O'Donis singing.

I think it's terrific this song is doing so well on US Hot AC stations, which as you said is the sign of a great pop song, the type of pop song that I wish more Hot AC stations would give a chance to. But I believe almost two-thirds of the Hot AC panel are on this song, but there are about one-third that just will not play songs like these unless they approach the top 5 which is unfortunate.

[musicfanpete]

Feb 18, 2009 13:42:51 GMT -5 Battle601 said:

I didn't foresee this song becoming so huge the first time I heard it, but after a while, it grew on me and obviously many others, seeing how much longevity this has. I'd be interested to see how far "Poker Face" does in this sense as well. Already a #1 hit in Canada, it's looking to do the same in the US at least on CHR/Pop.

I would too. This looks like it will be a huge hit on CHR/Pop stations, but I think it may fall a little short on the Hot AC side. It so far has not broken into the Hot AC top 50 yet, but I can see it maybe peaking as high as 30 on that format.

I love this song, but it does not seem to have quite the adult appeal as "Just Dance" does. But we'll see what happens.

[atlantaboy]

^Thinkin it's gonna burn too quickly on CHR to be able to build up on enough Hot AC stations

[musicfanpete]

Feb 18, 2009 11:02:29 GMT -5 KelownaGuy20 said:

I haven't heard this "rock leaning" version... sounds interesting.

I've really been caught off guard by Gaga's success. The fact that this song is doing well on CHR, HotAC, it's done well in Canada and Britain... I think that's just the sign of an awesome pop song.

After looking at today's update, I see that we have pop crossovers by Pink, Lady Gaga, Kevin Rudolf and Beyonce all in the U.S. Hot AC top 20 at the same time!

What is the format becoming here, Canadian Hot AC?!

[Battle601]

Feb 22, 2009 13:10:13 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

After looking at today's update, I see that we have pop crossovers by Pink, Lady Gaga, Kevin Rudolf and Beyonce all in the U.S. Hot AC top 20 at the same time!

What is the format becoming here, Canadian Hot AC?!

Going further down the chart below the Top 20, you've got Britney, Christina, The Veronicas, Pussycat Dolls, and Rihanna as well.

"Circus" is now in the Top 30 and "Untouched" is about to get in there too. "I Hate This Part" will probably be the only single off PCD's latest album to actually get decent sampling on this format since "Stickwitu".

Rihanna's had mixed results - her previous three singles, notably "Disturbia" had some impact in Hot AC, I doubt "Rehab" will do anything since it underperformed on CHR.

So to answer your question, this is how I see Hot AC these days:

Slowly, it's becoming more of a hybrid of various formats (particularly CHR, Triple A, and rock to a certain degree) while continuing to bridge the gap for few mainstream acts (i.e. Lifehouse) that are likely to get little to no airplay in the aformentioned formats. Which is a lot like Canadian Hot AC (except we don't have Triple A).

Given its strong leanings to Triple A, it's become the next best outlet for artists from that format to be heard mainstream, particularly up and coming artists (for instance Eric Hutchinson, Missy Higgins, Erin McCarley) as well as established acts (U2). None of them appear in the Top 50 of CHR, but they can be found on both the Hot AC and Triple A charts.

[musicfanpete]

Feb 22, 2009 13:34:36 GMT -5 Battle601 said:

Going further down the chart below the Top 20, you've got Britney, Christina, The Veronicas, Pussycat Dolls, and Rihanna as well.

"Circus" is now in the Top 30 and "Untouched" is about to get in there too. "I Hate This Part" will probably be the only single off PCD's latest album to actually get decent sampling on this format since "Stickwitu".

Rihanna's had mixed results - her previous three singles, notably "Disturbia" had some impact in Hot AC, I doubt "Rehab" will do anything since it underperformed on CHR.

So to answer your question, this is how I see Hot AC these days:

Slowly, it's becoming more of a hybrid of various formats (particularly CHR, Triple A, and rock to a certain degree) while continuing to bridge the gap for few mainstream acts (i.e. Lifehouse) that are likely to get little to no airplay in the aformentioned formats. Which is a lot like Canadian Hot AC (except we don't have Triple A).

Given its strong leanings to Triple A, it's become the next best outlet for artists from that format to be heard mainstream, particularly up and coming artists (for instance Eric Hutchinson, Missy Higgins, Erin McCarley) as well as established acts (U2). None of them appear in the Top 50 of CHR, but they can be found on both the Hot AC and Triple A charts.

That's what I don't understand about Rihanna. She is far more established than many of the artists you mentioned aside from Christina and Britney. Why she underperfomed on this format in comparison to the likes of Lady Gaga and Kevin Rudolf is beyond me. But it was certainly ironic that it took her collaboration with Maroon 5 to get her her first top 10 hit on the HAC format, a song that completely bombed on CHR! But great to see Gaga and Rudolf doing so well here. Again as has been stated, great pop songs will do well on this format if people like them.

Also that was a great assessment on the format in general Viva. Hot AC is the best of pop, rock and Triple A. The different formats complement each other nicely and help provide the great balance and variety that this format has become. Throw in a country hit once in awhile and you really have an eccletic format.

Hmmm, isn't this what the CHR format is supposed to be?!

[atlantaboy]

Feb 22, 2009 14:21:20 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

Feb 22, 2009 13:34:36 GMT -5 Battle601 said:

Going further down the chart below the Top 20, you've got Britney, Christina, The Veronicas, Pussycat Dolls, and Rihanna as well.

"Circus" is now in the Top 30 and "Untouched" is about to get in there too. "I Hate This Part" will probably be the only single off PCD's latest album to actually get decent sampling on this format since "Stickwitu".

Rihanna's had mixed results - her previous three singles, notably "Disturbia" had some impact in Hot AC, I doubt "Rehab" will do anything since it underperformed on CHR.

So to answer your question, this is how I see Hot AC these days:

Slowly, it's becoming more of a hybrid of various formats (particularly CHR, Triple A, and rock to a certain degree) while continuing to bridge the gap for few mainstream acts (i.e. Lifehouse) that are likely to get little to no airplay in the aformentioned formats. Which is a lot like Canadian Hot AC (except we don't have Triple A).

Given its strong leanings to Triple A, it's become the next best outlet for artists from that format to be heard mainstream, particularly up and coming artists (for instance Eric Hutchinson, Missy Higgins, Erin McCarley) as well as established acts (U2). None of them appear in the Top 50 of CHR, but they can be found on both the Hot AC and Triple A charts.

That's what I don't understand about Rihanna. She is far more established than many of the artists you mentioned aside from Christina and Britney. Why she underperfomed on this format in comparison to the likes of Lady Gaga and Kevin Rudolf is beyond me. But it was certainly ironic that it took her collaboration with Maroon 5 to get her her first top 10 hit on the HAC format, a song that completely bombed on CHR! But great to see Gaga and Rudolf doing so well here. Again as has been stated, great pop songs will do well on this format if people like them.

Also that was a great assessment on the format in general Viva. Hot AC is the best of pop, rock and Triple A. The different formats complement each other nicely and help provide the great balance and variety that this format has become. Throw in a country hit once in awhile and you really have an eccletic format.

Hmmm, isn't this what the CHR format is supposed to be?!

Prob. is IMO there's almost nothin in the way of new Hot AC material comin out - seems like stations only choice is either to lean CHR or cut way back on the rotation (and become less current)

IMO biggest lack of "exclusive" HAC-format material in its history - part of it might be that HAC was carried through most of the 2000s by 90s pop/alternative artists that were driftin away from CHR, and those artists have started breakin up or have just run outta material

[WotUNeed]

Yeah, basically, Hot AC isn't willing to take enough risks on lesser established artists or on veterans, so they're playing a bunch of crap like this that's bad enough on CHR playlists. Triple A is about the only decent adult-leaning format left.

[atlantaboy]

^Just wonderin if the recession might have somethin to do with it, cause seems like labels are promoting very few up-and-coming new artists this past year (or maybe new singer/songwriters are less willing to take risks right now and invest in record contract etc.)

[musicfanpete]

"Just Dance" is now up to #14 on the R&R HAC Chart and #15 on the Mediabase HAC chart! This definately has done better than I thought it would on this format, and I still hold out some hope that this may yet make the top ten. That would be nice for more songs like this to routinely become major hits on this format.

[atlantaboy]

Mar 5, 2009 23:53:21 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

That would be nice for more songs like this to routinely become major hits on this format.

No prob. with that but seems like there wouldn't be much difference between HAC and CHR

[musicfanpete]

Mar 6, 2009 17:07:24 GMT -5 atlantaboy said:

Mar 5, 2009 23:53:21 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

That would be nice for more songs like this to routinely become major hits on this format.

No prob. with that but seems like there wouldn't be much difference between HAC and CHR

I disagree. As long as the Hot AC format retains it's share of core artists that will get airplay long before they crossover to CHR, HAC will have an identity of its own. I believe though that some CHR crossovers help give the format some of the much needed variety it lacked about five years ago when most playlists consisted of nothing but one "alternative" lite clone after another. The format needed a shot in the arm, and I think the stations playing more pop music sound better. But again, traditional HAC core artists (ie: Jason Mraz, Colbie Caillat, Daughtry, The Fray, etc.) will help differentiate the format from CHR. And as long as HAC does not become infiltrated with rap and hip-hop music, the HAC format will remain the most attractive format for adults who like listening to current music.

[Battle601]

Mar 6, 2009 23:51:49 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

As long as the Hot AC format retains it's share of core artists that will get airplay long before they crossover to CHR, HAC will have an identity of its own.

That is absolutely true. There are some songs currently in the Top 50 that seem to be very well suited on Hot AC to begin with. Hopefully these will eventually cross over to Pop at some point:

Natasha Bedingfield - Soulmate
James Morrison featuring Nelly Furtado - Broken Strings
The Script - The Man Who Can't Be Moved

Mar 6, 2009 23:51:49 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

I believe though that some CHR crossovers help give the format some of the much needed variety it lacked about five years ago when most playlists consisted of nothing but one "alternative" lite clone after another. The format needed a shot in the arm, and I think the stations playing more pop music sound better. But again, traditional HAC core artists (ie: Jason Mraz, Colbie Caillat, Daughtry, The Fray, etc.) will help differentiate the format from CHR. And as long as HAC does not become infiltrated with rap and hip-hop music, the HAC format will remain the most attractive format for adults who like listening to current music.

Well said. And that is what makes one appreciate Hot AC a lot more - a combination of the latest hits and musical selections from different formats (mainly CHR, Triple A, Rock, occasionally Country, sometimes Rhythmic/Urban if it's successful enough to crossover) while serving as an outlet for core artists who would get little to no airplay in any of those formats.

These ingredients together represent a perfect balance and variety for the format, and is well suited for listeners who are into all kinds of music as well as those who don't limit themselves to having one or several particular groups/artists as their favorite.

[atlantaboy]

Mar 6, 2009 23:51:49 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

But again, traditional HAC core artists (ie: Jason Mraz, Colbie Caillat, Daughtry, The Fray, etc.) will help differentiate the format from CHR.

Those are also core CHR artists though (on most stations)...mixin those with Lady GaGa, Beyonce, and Britney leaves very little difference between the two formats (except for a small handful of hip-hop songs, which even stations like WTMX and WWMX are beginning to play)

IMO the result of all this is increased disinterest in breaking new Hot AC artists (and prob. increased disinterest in labels promoting these new artists to Hot AC) - just seems like Eric Hutchinson would've easily hit (or come close) to Top 10 Hot AC if he'd come out five years ago...same with HACs ignoring Adele, Alter Bridge, etc.

Right now the only major difference between most HACs and most CHRs is a couple of T. I. songs vs. Broken by Lifehouse

[atlantaboy]

Mar 6, 2009 23:51:49 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

And as long as HAC does not become infiltrated with rap and hip-hop music, the HAC format will remain the most attractive format for adults who like listening to current music.

Not sure what you mean (sorry )...Lady Gaga and Britney I guess are pop/rhythmic, Beyonce is hip-hop...so is Closer by Ne-Yo - 'TMX/Chicago is now playin Dead And Gone - so not sure where the "line" is between pop/rhythmic and rap/hip-hop (or why for example adults would love to hear Beyonce but hate to hear Ne-Yo or Akon)

Agree that Hot AC's add artists like Matt Nathanson earlier than CHRs, but seems like if u add in "more songs like (Just Dance)" you essentially get CHR with a little less rap and more recurrents - IMO such a small difference that listeners won't be able to tell the formats apart (unless they have an EXTREMELY rhythmic CHR in their market or a really conservative HAC)

[musicfanpete]

Mar 7, 2009 12:43:55 GMT -5 atlantaboy said:

Mar 6, 2009 23:51:49 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

But again, traditional HAC core artists (ie: Jason Mraz, Colbie Caillat, Daughtry, The Fray, etc.) will help differentiate the format from CHR.

Those are also core CHR artists though (on most stations)...mixin those with Lady GaGa, Beyonce, and Britney leaves very little difference between the two formats (except for a small handful of hip-hop songs, which even stations like WTMX and WWMX are beginning to play)

IMO the result of all this is increased disinterest in breaking new Hot AC artists (and prob. increased disinterest in labels promoting these new artists to Hot AC) - just seems like Eric Hutchinson would've easily hit (or come close) to Top 10 Hot AC if he'd come out five years ago...same with HACs ignoring Adele, Alter Bridge, etc.

Right now the only major difference between most HACs and most CHRs is a couple of T. I. songs vs. Broken by Lifehouse

I wouldn't call Mraz, Daughtry and the others I mentioned CHR core artists. They each had a big hit or two on the format, but the CHR core would consist more of the likes of Rihanna, Beyonce, T.I. and Britney. Agreed though regarding some of these newer Hot AC acts that are having problems making the top 10, although "Chasing Pavements" by Adele was still a fairly big hit.

I guess your definition of a "true" Hot AC would be more along the lines of Sirius Pulse which is straight ahead Modern AC.

[musicfanpete]

Mar 7, 2009 13:57:33 GMT -5 atlantaboy said:

Mar 6, 2009 23:51:49 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

And as long as HAC does not become infiltrated with rap and hip-hop music, the HAC format will remain the most attractive format for adults who like listening to current music.

Not sure what you mean (sorry )...Lady Gaga and Britney I guess are pop/rhythmic, Beyonce is hip-hop...so is Closer by Ne-Yo - 'TMX/Chicago is now playin Dead And Gone - so not sure where the "line" is between pop/rhythmic and rap/hip-hop (or why for example adults would love to hear Beyonce but hate to hear Ne-Yo or Akon)

Agree that Hot AC's add artists like Matt Nathanson earlier than CHRs, but seems like if u add in "more songs like (Just Dance)" you essentially get CHR with a little less rap and more recurrents - IMO such a small difference that listeners won't be able to tell the formats apart (unless they have an EXTREMELY rhythmic CHR in their market or a really conservative HAC)

I'm talking about artists like Usher, 50 Cent and Eminem. I would not consider Beyonce a hard core hip-hop artist. Also, I was not aware the Mix is playing "Dead And Gone" unless they are playing it in their "New Music at Nine" segment each night, in which they play some songs not in their regular rotation. I think for an hour a night that wouldn't kill the format by them playing a few songs outside the typical Hot AC playlist. And they play some Triple A types of songs during this segment too. It's actually a really cool hour of music.

And of course I do live in a city with an extremely rhythmic CHR in Kiss 103.5 FM!

[atlantaboy]

Mar 7, 2009 16:55:07 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

Mar 7, 2009 12:43:55 GMT -5 atlantaboy said:

Those are also core CHR artists though (on most stations)...mixin those with Lady GaGa, Beyonce, and Britney leaves very little difference between the two formats (except for a small handful of hip-hop songs, which even stations like WTMX and WWMX are beginning to play)

IMO the result of all this is increased disinterest in breaking new Hot AC artists (and prob. increased disinterest in labels promoting these new artists to Hot AC) - just seems like Eric Hutchinson would've easily hit (or come close) to Top 10 Hot AC if he'd come out five years ago...same with HACs ignoring Adele, Alter Bridge, etc.

Right now the only major difference between most HACs and most CHRs is a couple of T. I. songs vs. Broken by Lifehouse

I wouldn't call Mraz, Daughtry and the others I mentioned CHR core artists. They each had a big hit or two on the format, but the CHR core would consist more of the likes of Rihanna, Beyonce, T.I. and Britney. Agreed though regarding some of these newer Hot AC acts that are having problems making the top 10, although "Chasing Pavements" by Adele was still a fairly big hit.

I guess your definition of a "true" Hot AC would be more along the lines of Sirius Pulse which is straight ahead Modern AC.

Yeah sorry really gotta disagree here...Daughtry had tons of CHR hits, and I'm Yours was just as big (or even bigger) on CHR than on HAC - the exclusive Rihanna/Beyonce/T. I./Britney thing might apply to stations like WKSC/Chicago or KIIS, but to most CHR listeners, Daughtry, Mraz, Colbie Caillat, and The Fray have been huge alongside Beyonce/Britney/Rihanna etc.

Also still kinda confused cause if u wanna hear more songs like Just Dance, Rihanna, Britney, and Beyonce would fit right in and become core HAC artists

Not sure how u could want more songs like Just Dance on HAC, but not want Beyonce, Rihanna, Britney, etc.

[atlantaboy]

Mar 7, 2009 17:05:20 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

Mar 7, 2009 13:57:33 GMT -5 atlantaboy said:

Not sure what you mean (sorry )...Lady Gaga and Britney I guess are pop/rhythmic, Beyonce is hip-hop...so is Closer by Ne-Yo - 'TMX/Chicago is now playin Dead And Gone - so not sure where the "line" is between pop/rhythmic and rap/hip-hop (or why for example adults would love to hear Beyonce but hate to hear Ne-Yo or Akon)

Agree that Hot AC's add artists like Matt Nathanson earlier than CHRs, but seems like if u add in "more songs like (Just Dance)" you essentially get CHR with a little less rap and more recurrents - IMO such a small difference that listeners won't be able to tell the formats apart (unless they have an EXTREMELY rhythmic CHR in their market or a really conservative HAC)

I'm talking about artists like Usher, 50 Cent and Eminem. I would not consider Beyonce a hard core hip-hop artist. Also, I was not aware the Mix is playing "Dead And Gone" unless they are playing it in their "New Music at Nine" segment each night, in which they play some songs not in their regular rotation. I think for an hour a night that wouldn't kill the format by them playing a few songs outside the typical Hot AC playlist. And they play some Triple A types of songs during this segment too. It's actually a really cool hour of music.

And of course I do live in a city with an extremely rhythmic CHR in Kiss 103.5 FM!

Yeah that's prob. why we have different ideas about CHR core artists (cause yours is prob. based on WKSC and mine is prob. based on Star 94/Q100)

But yeah Dead And Gone is now bein rotated more than 20x week on WTMX/Chicago (thinkin WWMX/Baltimore also) so it's not just durin one segment at night

Still not sure why Usher would be a core hip-hop artist and Beyonce wouldn't (or why Lady GaGa is a great addition to HAC but Usher wouldn't be)...I guess you could draw the line at actual rap (rather than R&B/hip-hop)

Still convinced though that Chasing Pavements, Rock & Roll, Watch Over You, etc. could be havin much higher Hot AC chart runs if so many HACs weren't focusing on bein virtual CHRs...this past year it seems like most new-artist HAC threads people have started have turned out to be basically exclusive to Triple A

[musicfanpete]

Mar 7, 2009 19:07:12 GMT -5 atlantaboy said:

Yeah sorry really gotta disagree here...Daughtry had tons of CHR hits, and I'm Yours was just as big (or even bigger) on CHR than on HAC - the exclusive Rihanna/Beyonce/T. I./Britney thing might apply to stations like WKSC/Chicago or KIIS, but to most CHR listeners, Daughtry, Mraz, Colbie Caillat, and The Fray have been huge alongside Beyonce/Britney/Rihanna etc.

Also still kinda confused cause if u wanna hear more songs like Just Dance, Rihanna, Britney, and Beyonce would fit right in and become core HAC artists

Not sure how u could want more songs like Just Dance on HAC, but not want Beyonce, Rihanna, Britney, etc.

Yeah, I'm going by WKSC "standards". I don't think they even know who Jason Mraz, Colbie Caillat or Daughtry are as they have never played any of them!

But to clarify, yes I do like Beyonce, Rihanna and others on HAC. Just the more adult sounding songs, that's all. I would take each release on a case by case basis.

As far as hip-hop is concerned, I don't consider "If I Were A Boy" and "Irreplaceable" hip-hop. "Single Ladies" and "Crazy In Love", yes, but not the hard core urban hip-hop rap that urban stations play. These types of songs by Beyonce are songs that resinate well with adults and I think do well on the format. But obviously others like you believe we should keep them separate so Hot AC has a more distinct sound. And that's fine as there are two schools of thought on this. Our Canadian posters here tend to lean toward a more CHR sound as their Hot AC's lean toward a mainstream CHR sound. Others here like the more Triple A leaning Modern AC sound. To each his or her own.

Btw, I would stop way short of playing the likes of Flo Rida and T.I. like I have seen on some so-called Hot AC stations. As far as WTMX playing the new T.I. song, you must have the wrong station as this is not showing up in the top 50 per Allaccess. The only T.I. song the Mix is playing is "My Love" (with Justin Timberlake), which was a minor hit on Hot AC about three years ago. It even made the AT 40 HAC countdown for a few weeks.

Also, just curious atlantaboy where you would cut off more urban sounding artists from being played on HAC radio. Would you like hearing say Leona Lewis, softer Beyonce songs like "Irreplacable", and Natasha Bedingfield or Pink, or would those even be pushing the envelope for Hot AC? Just curious because I like to hear different opinions on where this format will go next.

[atlantaboy]

Mar 7, 2009 19:31:01 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

Mar 7, 2009 19:07:12 GMT -5 atlantaboy said:

Yeah sorry really gotta disagree here...Daughtry had tons of CHR hits, and I'm Yours was just as big (or even bigger) on CHR than on HAC - the exclusive Rihanna/Beyonce/T. I./Britney thing might apply to stations like WKSC/Chicago or KIIS, but to most CHR listeners, Daughtry, Mraz, Colbie Caillat, and The Fray have been huge alongside Beyonce/Britney/Rihanna etc.

Also still kinda confused cause if u wanna hear more songs like Just Dance, Rihanna, Britney, and Beyonce would fit right in and become core HAC artists

Not sure how u could want more songs like Just Dance on HAC, but not want Beyonce, Rihanna, Britney, etc.

Yeah, I'm going by WKSC "standards". I don't think they even know who Jason Mraz, Colbie Caillat or Daughtry are as they have never played any of them!

Yeah IMO stations like that should basically count as Rhythmic...esp. since Jason Mraz and Daughtry both hit #1 CHR and Colbie would've except for Apologize peakin at the same time

[atlantaboy]

Mar 7, 2009 19:31:01 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

These types of songs by Beyonce are songs that resinate well with adults and I think do well on the format. But obviously others like you believe we should keep them separate so Hot AC has a more distinct sound.

Naw I'm all for it...just that IMO stations like that are basically CHRs (in markets where the CHRs are basically Rhythmics)

[atlantaboy]

Mar 7, 2009 19:31:01 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

Also, just curious atlantaboy where you would cut off more urban sounding artists from being played on HAC radio. Would you like hearing say Leona Lewis, softer Beyonce songs like "Irreplacable", and Natasha Bedingfield or Pink, or would those even be pushing the envelope for Hot AC? Just curious because I like to hear different opinions on where this format will go next.

(Sorry not sure how to quote multiple times in one post )

IMO Irreplaceable, If I Were A Boy, Leona Lewis, Natasha Bedingfield, and Pink (since her second CD) fit into "traditional" Hot AC automatically

Playin Single Ladies (right off the bat), Just Dance (heavily), Love In This Club, Womanizer, Circus, Let It Rock, and test-spinning Dead And Gone/Right Round makes for an exciting adult-leaning CHR, IMO not HAC, esp. since if HACs focus on Britney, Lady GaGa, and Beyonce, they don't really have a need to break new artists like Eric Hutchinson

BTW that Dead And Gone thing on WTMX must've been a test cause ur right they completely took it off their playlist this week...but yeah last week it definitely had 20+ plays (acc. to R&R Website)

[musicfanpete]

Mar 7, 2009 19:48:01 GMT -5 atlantaboy said:

Mar 7, 2009 19:31:01 GMT -5 musicfanpete said:

Also, just curious atlantaboy where you would cut off more urban sounding artists from being played on HAC radio. Would you like hearing say Leona Lewis, softer Beyonce songs like "Irreplacable", and Natasha Bedingfield or Pink, or would those even be pushing the envelope for Hot AC? Just curious because I like to hear different opinions on where this format will go next.

(Sorry not sure how to quote multiple times in one post )

IMO Irreplaceable, If I Were A Boy, Leona Lewis, Natasha Bedingfield, and Pink (since her second CD) fit into "traditional" Hot AC automatically

Playin Single Ladies (right off the bat), Just Dance (heavily), Love In This Club, Womanizer, Circus, Let It Rock, and test-spinning Dead And Gone/Right Round makes for an exciting adult-leaning CHR, IMO not HAC, esp. since if HACs focus on Britney, Lady GaGa, and Beyonce, they don't really have a need to break new artists like Eric Hutchinson

BTW that Dead And Gone thing on WTMX must've been a test cause ur right they completely took it off their playlist this week...but yeah last week it definitely had 20+ plays (acc. to R&R Website)

Got it. I see where you are coming from regarding the differences between a Hot AC and an Adult CHR station. The way things are going now, this would take a complete reclassification of stations to fix these discrepencies. But for now it seems like both major publications aren't in any hurry to change things.

What you say makes sense, but some will still argue that as long as a station stays free of rap it could still be called a Hot AC station, while others believe it should be classified as a CHR. No matter what we think though, the average listener could care less what a station is classified as, as long as they like it. :)

Oh, thank god I did not hear that T.I. song on the Mix! There's NO way that belongs on there, and if it was a test run, I'd say that "test" failed miserably! Let's hope I never hear that song on this station!

[atlantaboy]

^Lol agreed...I kinda like Live Your Life, but really can't stand Dead And Gone (plus it's really depressing)

Yeah still not likin whoever came up with the double standard that avoiding Rap automatically = Hot AC while avoiding Rock still = CHR...it just leads to an inaccurately rhythmic-leaning CHR chart IMO, and those are the peaks the most people follow