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Post by fran182 on Dec 8, 2008 13:00:11 GMT -5
Top 50 on Hot AC
62 50 KANYE WEST Love Lockdown 110 74 36 0.387
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Post by KelownaGuy20 on Dec 8, 2008 22:13:41 GMT -5
Go Kanye! Get that HotAC hit!
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Post by blurple on Dec 8, 2008 23:30:06 GMT -5
Never heard this one yet at my HAC stations.
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Post by Vic on Dec 9, 2008 11:19:22 GMT -5
ugh.
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Post by Hot AC Archiver on Dec 9, 2008 14:07:23 GMT -5
I 2nd that opinion.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 9, 2008 18:48:17 GMT -5
How has Kanye done on Hot AC before? Has he ever made Top 20? I wonder if this one would do well? Sounds like the type of song that might hover in the bottom 30s for a dozen weeks.
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Post by musicfanpete on Dec 12, 2008 14:28:13 GMT -5
Never heard this one yet at my HAC stations. WTMX in Chicago has been playing this mainly in their "New Tunes at Nine" segment. Of course they have also been playing "Stronger" and "Homecoming" mainly during late evenings and overnights as well. Go figure! I'm not sure they should be playing those two songs, but "Love Lockdown" is a bit more of a fit at Hot AC since he actually sings this song! But I don't see this being a major Hot AC hit. Maybe barely top 40, but not much higher.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 14, 2008 9:59:45 GMT -5
How has Kanye done on Hot AC before? Has he ever made Top 20? I wonder if this one would do well? Sounds like the type of song that might hover in the bottom 30s for a dozen weeks. Yeah really think this and the "Single Ladies" thing just means that a lot of Hot ACs need to be reclassified as CHR
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Post by KelownaGuy20 on Dec 14, 2008 18:41:15 GMT -5
How has Kanye done on Hot AC before? Has he ever made Top 20? I wonder if this one would do well? Sounds like the type of song that might hover in the bottom 30s for a dozen weeks. Yeah really think this and the "Single Ladies" thing just means that a lot of Hot ACs need to be reclassified as CHR Nah! I think it just means the format is finding a few non-traditional hits. Personally, nothing about either of these songs screams "CHR" to me. They're just music, and if someone within the demo at a specific station wants to hear 'em, I say "go for it!"
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 15, 2008 17:44:14 GMT -5
Yeah really think this and the "Single Ladies" thing just means that a lot of Hot ACs need to be reclassified as CHR Nah! I think it just means the format is finding a few non-traditional hits. Personally, nothing about either of these songs screams "CHR" to me. They're just music, and if someone within the demo at a specific station wants to hear 'em, I say "go for it!" But if they're adding rhythmic Beyonce and new Kanye this early, why would they not be classified as CHR? (Just wonderin...) My whole thing is just that it prevents songs like Broken and Come On Get Higher from breakin Top 40 CHR (and songs like Viva La Vida from breakin Top 10 CHR)...IMO makes the whole CHR chart inaccurate Really likin the fact that Hot AC's are reaching out to Beyonce and Kanye like this, but IMO they're essentially reachin out to "all the hits" which makes 'em CHR in my opinion
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Post by KelownaGuy20 on Dec 16, 2008 11:02:05 GMT -5
Nah! I think it just means the format is finding a few non-traditional hits. Personally, nothing about either of these songs screams "CHR" to me. They're just music, and if someone within the demo at a specific station wants to hear 'em, I say "go for it!" But if they're adding rhythmic Beyonce and new Kanye this early, why would they not be classified as CHR? (Just wonderin...) My whole thing is just that it prevents songs like Broken and Come On Get Higher from breakin Top 40 CHR (and songs like Viva La Vida from breakin Top 10 CHR)...IMO makes the whole CHR chart inaccurate Really likin the fact that Hot AC's are reaching out to Beyonce and Kanye like this, but IMO they're essentially reachin out to "all the hits" which makes 'em CHR in my opinion If you ask me, if a "HotAC" station were reaching out and playing something like Plies, Lil Wayne, and Soulja Boy, then we might have to look at re-classifying a station. But I think that with the target demo changing, it should only be expected that the music change a lil' too. Beyonce has had some success on the format before, so "Single Ladies," while new, doesn't surprise me that much, especially based on the theme of the song, and the demo(mid-30s women). Kanye's song has been out for nearly three months now, and has slowly built momentum. I don't see either being huge hits on the format, but if some HotACs have a mature audience who wants to hear these songs, I see no reason why we should have to reclassify a station that still plays traditional HotAC music, along with a couple new, "unexpected" tracks.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 16, 2008 18:58:05 GMT -5
But if they're adding rhythmic Beyonce and new Kanye this early, why would they not be classified as CHR? (Just wonderin...) My whole thing is just that it prevents songs like Broken and Come On Get Higher from breakin Top 40 CHR (and songs like Viva La Vida from breakin Top 10 CHR)...IMO makes the whole CHR chart inaccurate Really likin the fact that Hot AC's are reaching out to Beyonce and Kanye like this, but IMO they're essentially reachin out to "all the hits" which makes 'em CHR in my opinion If you ask me, if a "HotAC" station were reaching out and playing something like Plies, Lil Wayne, and Soulja Boy, then we might have to look at re-classifying a station. But I think that with the target demo changing, it should only be expected that the music change a lil' too. Yeah just think that if the target demo is changing (which it def. is on stations like WTMX, WWMX, WKRQ, etc.), then the station is CHR (i. e. it's no longer aimed at just adults)...holding these stations to "Hot AC" status is just a way of keepin the CHR chart as rhythmic as possible Also seems like a ridiculous standard that a station has to play ALL rap artists to be considered CHR (while they can leave out as many rock acts as they want, even #1s) Just my opinion, but CHR is supposed to mean Contemporary Hit Radio, and WKRQ, WTMX, and WWMX play a much wider variety of current hits than KIIS, WKSC, and WKQI... IMO there's nothin wrong with playin Love Lockdown, Single Ladies, and even T. I., but if you do, you're openin yourself up to playin all the hits (from every genre), so not sure why you're still labeled Hot AC
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Post by fran182 on Dec 17, 2008 12:52:00 GMT -5
Would like to see this charting here!
Great song...
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Post by beejus on Dec 17, 2008 13:13:43 GMT -5
If you ask me, if a "HotAC" station were reaching out and playing something like Plies, Lil Wayne, and Soulja Boy, then we might have to look at re-classifying a station. But I think that with the target demo changing, it should only be expected that the music change a lil' too. Yeah just think that if the target demo is changing (which it def. is on stations like WTMX, WWMX, WKRQ, etc.), then the station is CHR (i. e. it's no longer aimed at just adults)...holding these stations to "Hot AC" status is just a way of keepin the CHR chart as rhythmic as possible Also seems like a ridiculous standard that a station has to play ALL rap artists to be considered CHR (while they can leave out as many rock acts as they want, even #1s) Just my opinion, but CHR is supposed to mean Contemporary Hit Radio, and WKRQ, WTMX, and WWMX play a much wider variety of current hits than KIIS, WKSC, and WKQI... IMO there's nothin wrong with playin Love Lockdown, Single Ladies, and even T. I., but if you do, you're openin yourself up to playin all the hits (from every genre), so not sure why you're still labeled Hot AC I don't think it's that the they're changing their target demo... I think it's more the target demo itself is changing. Women 25-49 these days are different from Women 25-49 even just 5 years ago. I remember back in the days when Hot AC meant "No Rap, and No Hard Stuff". It was THE slogan used in Hot AC (and mainstream too). But now, a 25 year old woman grew up listening to the grunge era of Alternative and more and more Rap offerings of the 90s and early 00s. Stations are realizing that, and realizing "what was considered 'hard rock' is now acceptable in the format." And CHRs are seeing their target demo realize artists like the Fray and Snow Patrol are acceptable. The format lines are getting blurred (much like Alternative and Active Rock in the early 00's), but each has it's own distinct flavor. Plus look at the gold libraries of stations. If they're playing Deep Blue Something, the Gin Blossoms and stuff like that regularly alongside Kanye, Beyonce, and Kevin Rudolf, I'd still classify them as Hot AC. And for interest of full disclosure... my station is playing all of those tracks. Beyonce's "If I Were A Boy" across all dayparts. Kevin Rudolf we just opened up too (Rapless version). The rest are regulated to nights. Just my two cents.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 17, 2008 16:08:56 GMT -5
Plus look at the gold libraries of stations. If they're playing Deep Blue Something, the Gin Blossoms and stuff like that regularly alongside Kanye, Beyonce, and Kevin Rudolf, I'd still classify them as Hot AC. Yeah I guess that makes more sense...only thing is there's a handful of "Hot ACs" rotating their powers 80-90x a week, so really think those should be moved to CHR (esp. if they're playin Kanye and new Beyonce this early) If Hot AC plays Deep Blue Something followed by Spin Doctors followed by new Beyonce, then I guess it makes sense that they're classified as HAC (but thinkin that should reveal itself in low power rotation numbers...)
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Post by musicfanpete on Dec 17, 2008 16:35:56 GMT -5
Plus look at the gold libraries of stations. If they're playing Deep Blue Something, the Gin Blossoms and stuff like that regularly alongside Kanye, Beyonce, and Kevin Rudolf, I'd still classify them as Hot AC. Yeah I guess that makes more sense...only thing is there's a handful of "Hot ACs" rotating their powers 80-90x a week, so really think those should be moved to CHR (esp. if they're playin Kanye and new Beyonce this early) If Hot AC plays Deep Blue Something followed by Spin Doctors followed by new Beyonce, then I guess it makes sense that they're classified as HAC (but thinkin that should reveal itself in low power rotation numbers...) Well I would consider WTMX in that category. They still play songs by Deep Blue Something, the Goo Goo Dolls and the Fray combined with Beyonce and Kanye, and they keep their rotation to no higher than 50 plays a week. So right there I think that would qualify them as Hot AC, if for no other reason.
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Post by Matt4319 on Dec 19, 2008 21:14:46 GMT -5
The WTMX morning show played "Single Ladies" a few days ago.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 20, 2008 17:45:22 GMT -5
Yeah I guess that makes more sense...only thing is there's a handful of "Hot ACs" rotating their powers 80-90x a week, so really think those should be moved to CHR (esp. if they're playin Kanye and new Beyonce this early) If Hot AC plays Deep Blue Something followed by Spin Doctors followed by new Beyonce, then I guess it makes sense that they're classified as HAC (but thinkin that should reveal itself in low power rotation numbers...) Well I would consider WTMX in that category. They still play songs by Deep Blue Something, the Goo Goo Dolls and the Fray combined with Beyonce and Kanye, and they keep their rotation to no higher than 50 plays a week. So right there I think that would qualify them as Hot AC, if for no other reason. Yeah still not sure though cause there are so many small-market CHRs that have their powers set in the 50s... I guess IMO if they play back-to-back 90s songs they should report to Hot AC, but just playin Deep Blue Something every once in a while doesn't seem like it should disqualify a station from bein CHR - and tons of CHRs replay hits by the Fray (and some replay hits by the Goo Goo Dolls esp. durin the daytime)
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Post by KelownaGuy20 on Dec 20, 2008 18:02:51 GMT -5
Well I would consider WTMX in that category. They still play songs by Deep Blue Something, the Goo Goo Dolls and the Fray combined with Beyonce and Kanye, and they keep their rotation to no higher than 50 plays a week. So right there I think that would qualify them as Hot AC, if for no other reason. Yeah still not sure though cause there are so many small-market CHRs that have their powers set in the 50s... I guess IMO if they play back-to-back 90s songs they should report to Hot AC, but just playin Deep Blue Something every once in a while doesn't seem like it should disqualify a station from bein CHR - and tons of CHRs replay hits by the Fray (and some replay hits by the Goo Goo Dolls esp. durin the daytime) If you ask me, if a majority of an hour of programming is recurrent or gold, you're likely a HotAC. If a majority is "new," you should be a CHR. If you take a look at an hour from my station: 11:57 - Duran Duran - Ordinary World (Gold) 12:01 - Deborah Cox - Beautiful U R (Current) 12:05 - T.I. - Whatever You Like (Current) 12:09 - Natasha Bedingfield featuring Sean Kingston - Love Like This (Recurrent) 12:21 - Miley Cyrus - See You Again (Recurrent) 12:25 - Suzie McNeil - Don't Tell Me Goodbye (Current) 12:29 - State of Shock - Best I Ever Had (Recurrent) 12:37 - Colbie Caillat - Mistletoe (Christmas subbing in for Gold) 12:40 - Usher - Love In This Club (Recurrent) 12:44 - Bedouin Soundclash - When The Night Feels My Song (Gold) 12:52 - Mariah Carey featuring Jay-Z - Heartbreaker (Gold) 12:56 - Shontelle - T-Shirt (Current) 1:00 - Estelle featuring Kanye West - American Boy (Recurrent) That's 4 currents based on 13 songs. Not a CHR by any means, if you ask me.
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Post by musicfanpete on Dec 20, 2008 23:13:13 GMT -5
Let me start out with a sample hour from WTMX from this morning:
8:57 AM FALL OUT BOY This Ain't A Scene, It's An... Island/IDJMG (recurrent) 8:53 AM JOHN MAYER Say Aware/Columbia (recurrent) 8:43 AM MISSY HIGGINS Where I Stood Reprise (current) 8:40 AM TIMBALAND The Way I Are f/Keri Hilson Mosley/BG/Interscope (recurrent) 8:35 AM DAUGHTRY What About Now RCA/RMG (current) 8:32 AM MADONNA 4 Minutes Warner Bros. (recurrent) 8:26 AM LIFEHOUSE Broken Geffen/Interscope (current) 8:16 AM COLBIE CAILLAT Bubbly Universal Republic (recurrent) 8:13 AM METRO STATION Shake It Columbia (recurrent) 8:10 AM MICHELLE BRANCH Everywhere Maverick (gold) 8:06 AM FIVE FOR FIGHTING World Aware/Columbia (recurrent) 8:02 AM BEYONCE Single Ladies (Put A Ring... Music World/Columbia (current)
As illustrated by the sample above, the Mix also plays few currents, with only 4 played out of twelve songs (some hours contain more gold songs than this). And, I agree with both theories regarding what constitutes a Hot AC station. But there are a couple of points I would like to make.
KelwonaGuy20, I agree with your theory regarding the percentage of currents designating what format a station would be, but I think the type of song is ultimately what identifies the station's format. If I were programming a Hot AC station, there is no way I would play that T.I. song or that Usher song. While I'm sure a few 25 to 40 year old female Hot AC core listeners would like those songs, most would be changing the station if they hear those songs since they listen to the Hot AC format to get away from songs like that. So I think it is more important on what gets played rather than how many times a song gets played.
In regard to your theory atlantaboy, while I understand the number of plays a song in power rotation receives is an important factor, it's not that simple. There are a few Hot AC reporters that lean Modern AC/alternative (ie: no Rihanna or Beyonce) that play their powers 80 to 90 times a week. While that fits the pattern of a typical CHR and there is no rule that a CHR station needs to play rhythmic songs to qualify as a CHR, these stations probably would fit better on the Alternative panel.
So in short, the type of song played, I believe is the most important factor in determining what format a station belongs to. While both of your theories hold weight, determining a station's format is not always an exact science. But that's what makes this topic so interesting to discuss! :)
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Post by blurple on Dec 20, 2008 23:21:26 GMT -5
I can definitely feel a shift in WTMX' playlist. I would never have guessed them adding "Single Ladies". I've heard it quite a number of times already. And musicfanpete, you were right. I finally heard "Love Lockdown" and it was in the wee hours lol.
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Post by atlantaboy on Dec 21, 2008 14:02:29 GMT -5
Let me start out with a sample hour from WTMX from this morning: 8:57 AM FALL OUT BOY This Ain't A Scene, It's An... Island/IDJMG (recurrent) 8:53 AM JOHN MAYER Say Aware/Columbia (recurrent) 8:43 AM MISSY HIGGINS Where I Stood Reprise (current) 8:40 AM TIMBALAND The Way I Are f/Keri Hilson Mosley/BG/Interscope (recurrent) 8:35 AM DAUGHTRY What About Now RCA/RMG (current) 8:32 AM MADONNA 4 Minutes Warner Bros. (recurrent) 8:26 AM LIFEHOUSE Broken Geffen/Interscope (current) 8:16 AM COLBIE CAILLAT Bubbly Universal Republic (recurrent) 8:13 AM METRO STATION Shake It Columbia (recurrent) 8:10 AM MICHELLE BRANCH Everywhere Maverick (gold) 8:06 AM FIVE FOR FIGHTING World Aware/Columbia (recurrent) 8:02 AM BEYONCE Single Ladies (Put A Ring... Music World/Columbia (current) Yeah I def. see now why WTMX is reportin to Hot AC (i. e. Michelle Branch followed by Five For Fighting song that never even went for adds at CHR...also Say by John Mayer followed by Missy Higgins - ) Still think WKRQ/Cincinatti and KUDD/Salt Lake City should be reportin to CHR though (and maybe WWMX/Baltimore depending on % of currents) As far as that Canadian Hot AC playlist, though, that seems pretty much like a Rhythmic Hot AC IMO
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Post by musicfanpete on Dec 21, 2008 18:43:34 GMT -5
I can definitely feel a shift in WTMX' playlist. I would never have guessed them adding "Single Ladies". I've heard it quite a number of times already. And musicfanpete, you were right. I finally heard "Love Lockdown" and it was in the wee hours lol. Apparently a lot of Hot AC stations have added this as it already is well within the top 40 and moving up fairly quickly. As I said on another thread, I don't think this is one of her better songs, but it still seems to be catching on for whatever reason. This could be a quick "hitter" though. Fast up the charts and just as fast down.
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Post by musicfanpete on Dec 21, 2008 19:00:21 GMT -5
Yeah I def. see now why WTMX is reportin to Hot AC (i. e. Michelle Branch followed by Five For Fighting song that never even went for adds at CHR...also Say by John Mayer followed by Missy Higgins - ) Still think WKRQ/Cincinatti and KUDD/Salt Lake City should be reportin to CHR though (and maybe WWMX/Baltimore depending on % of currents) As far as that Canadian Hot AC playlist, though, that seems pretty much like a Rhythmic Hot AC IMO Regarding WTMX, the other stations you mention play these songs, but there are reasons why these other stations differ from the Mix. However, there is another reason why WKRQ should be reporting to the CHR panel, as illustrated by the following hour: 5:59 AM CHRIS BROWN Run It Jive/Zomba 5:55 AM 3 DOORS DOWN Let Me Be Myself Universal Republic 5:51 AM 50 CENT In Da Club Shady/Interscope 5:47 AM TAYLOR SWIFT Love Story Big Machine/Uni Republic 5:43 AM GOO GOO DOLLS Iris Warner Bros. 5:39 AM RIHANNA Rehab Def Jam/IDJMG 5:35 AM SAVING ABEL Addicted Virgin/Capitol 5:27 AM HINDER Without You Universal Republic 5:23 AM BRITNEY SPEARS Womanizer Jive/Zomba 5:19 AM GAVIN ROSSDALE Love Remains The Same Interscope 5:16 AM PLAIN WHITE T'S 1, 2, 3, 4 Fearless/Hollywood 5:11 AM BEYONCE If I Were A Boy Music World/Columbia 5:07 AM LADY GAGA Just Dance f/Colby O'Donis Interscope 5:03 AM O.A.R. Shattered (Turn The Car...) Atlantic/RRP No Hot AC in their right mind should be playing the likes of 50 Cent! Persuing their playlist from time to time, I have also seen them play the likes of Sir-Mix-Alot and Naughty by Nature, as a couple of examples! Even if they keep their current playlist free of songs like that, the fact that they play straight ahead hip-hop songs within their gold library should automatically disqualify them from the Hot AC panel, high power rotation notwithstanding! I know WWMX plays songs like this as well, as does WQAL in Cleveland. So you can make cases for those two stations to be shifted to the CHR panel as well. Now KUDD is an interesting case. They are more modern leaning as they play the likes of Kate Voegele, Flyleaf and Lesley Roy. But they also play Kevin Rudolf and Rihanna, so based on that, I would probably shift them to the CHR panel as well, especially with their powers garnering 80 to 90+ plays a week! And I know KelownaGuy20 may disagree with us, but I agree with you that his Sun FM station is most definately a CHR station. As a matter of fact, his playlist fits exactly what we would view as a typical CHR station should sound like. It is not so heavily rhythmic that it would qualify as a Rhythmic station, but it is most certainly not a Hot AC either. Sorry KelownaGuy20!
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Post by beejus on Dec 21, 2008 23:06:03 GMT -5
Hey now... I gotta defend Sir Mix-A-Lot on a Hot AC. I only have it in the "oh wow" rotation... but seriously... think of your target demo and think of how old they were when that song came out.
Hell... I still play it at High School dances. That song has staying power!
I will agree with 50 Cent though... that is a major stretch for a Hot AC.
And as for KUDD... they had been slowly making their transition from Hot AC to CHR. When they cranked their powers to 90 spins or so... they also changed their slogan to "Utah's Hit Music Station." Musically though... even with Rihanna and the like, I'd still classify them as Hot AC even with the spin amounts. But they might still be in the process of sliding the music to more CHR... so this may not be the end result.
Either way... it's still a good new music station!
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Post by Battle601 on Dec 21, 2008 23:55:24 GMT -5
What is the exact criteria used to determine whether a song is recurrent or gold?
From what I can understand, a song becomes recurrent after it has peaked and this usually involves songs that were previously in power or regular rotation (in current status).
But when does a song move from recurrent to gold status? I assume there's a certain cut-off date that radio stations use to separate the two categories. So now as we near the end of 2008, I guess that any material released prior to and including 2005 is now considered gold, while anything after 2005 is recurrent. Then again, I'll assume it's not always clear cut either. Can someone please clarify this? I'm interested to know how this works.
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Post by musicfanpete on Dec 22, 2008 10:39:00 GMT -5
Hey now... I gotta defend Sir Mix-A-Lot on a Hot AC. I only have it in the "oh wow" rotation... but seriously... think of your target demo and think of how old they were when that song came out. Hell... I still play it at High School dances. That song has staying power! I will agree with 50 Cent though... that is a major stretch for a Hot AC. And as for KUDD... they had been slowly making their transition from Hot AC to CHR. When they cranked their powers to 90 spins or so... they also changed their slogan to "Utah's Hit Music Station." Musically though... even with Rihanna and the like, I'd still classify them as Hot AC even with the spin amounts. But they might still be in the process of sliding the music to more CHR... so this may not be the end result. Either way... it's still a good new music station! Well, my feeling is playing Sir-Mix-A-Lot on a Hot AC might not be a great idea since most listeners who grew up with the song outgrow it as they get older. This is why Hot AC's exist. Probably the best place to hear this song would be a CHR like WKSC in Chicago that plays an "oh-wow" song like this from time to time, or a 90's oldies station. Now I could be wrong and the Hot AC target demo just loves this song, but there should be stations in existence for people who don't want to hear songs like this. Maybe the new crop of bright AC's will eventually take over as that type of station, while Hot AC's morph into a more CHR sound.
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Post by KelownaGuy20 on Dec 22, 2008 15:15:05 GMT -5
But when does a song move from recurrent to gold status? I assume there's a certain cut-off date that radio stations use to separate the two categories. So now as we near the end of 2008, I guess that any material released prior to and including 2005 is now considered gold, while anything after 2005 is recurrent. Then again, I'll assume it's not always clear cut either. Can someone please clarify this? I'm interested to know how this works. At my station, there's really no "criteria" for when a song goes into gold. It all depends on when it gets bumped down that far. Both our "recurrent" and "secondary recurrent" categories are supposed to hold only so many songs in then. When the categories get too full, we have to bump out some of the older songs. When that happens in some of the lower recurrent categories, that's when songs go "gold" for us. In defense of 50 Cent, I'd like to mention that my station does play "In Da Club," but dayparted to 6pm - 6am. In that manner, it wouldn't get played between 6am and 6pm. It's a way to appeal to a younger listener at night (when many of them listen), while still playing the songs they want to hear, but not forcing the upper side of the demo to hear songs like 50 (not that he's ever gotten a complaint from our audience the few times we've played him during the day). I know that many CHR stations here play songs similar to the ones we play, but they'll play T.I. upwards of 90 times a week. We play T.I. upwards of 15 times a week, dayparted into evenings and overnights, and the occasional time on the weekend, since we run an evening schedule there, too. I guess for me, HotAC and CHR CAN be similar, but the real difference is spins. If you look at the Canadian HotAC and Canadian CHR charts, they're quite similar in the songs played. The real difference comes from how many times you hear a song.
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Post by Ragin on Dec 23, 2008 8:12:35 GMT -5
Nah! I think it just means the format is finding a few non-traditional hits. Personally, nothing about either of these songs screams "CHR" to me. They're just music, and if someone within the demo at a specific station wants to hear 'em, I say "go for it!" But if they're adding rhythmic Beyonce and new Kanye this early, why would they not be classified as CHR? (Just wonderin...) My whole thing is just that it prevents songs like Broken and Come On Get Higher from breakin Top 40 CHR (and songs like Viva La Vida from breakin Top 10 CHR)...IMO makes the whole CHR chart inaccurate Really likin the fact that Hot AC's are reaching out to Beyonce and Kanye like this, but IMO they're essentially reachin out to "all the hits" which makes 'em CHR in my opinion The thing I like about HOTAC is that if the song is good for the target audience they often play it regardless of the artist. This song is perfect for HOTAC. I love this song.
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musicfanpete
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Post by musicfanpete on Dec 23, 2008 15:44:25 GMT -5
But when does a song move from recurrent to gold status? I assume there's a certain cut-off date that radio stations use to separate the two categories. So now as we near the end of 2008, I guess that any material released prior to and including 2005 is now considered gold, while anything after 2005 is recurrent. Then again, I'll assume it's not always clear cut either. Can someone please clarify this? I'm interested to know how this works. At my station, there's really no "criteria" for when a song goes into gold. It all depends on when it gets bumped down that far. Both our "recurrent" and "secondary recurrent" categories are supposed to hold only so many songs in then. When the categories get too full, we have to bump out some of the older songs. When that happens in some of the lower recurrent categories, that's when songs go "gold" for us. In defense of 50 Cent, I'd like to mention that my station does play "In Da Club," but dayparted to 6pm - 6am. In that manner, it wouldn't get played between 6am and 6pm. It's a way to appeal to a younger listener at night (when many of them listen), while still playing the songs they want to hear, but not forcing the upper side of the demo to hear songs like 50 (not that he's ever gotten a complaint from our audience the few times we've played him during the day). I know that many CHR stations here play songs similar to the ones we play, but they'll play T.I. upwards of 90 times a week. We play T.I. upwards of 15 times a week, dayparted into evenings and overnights, and the occasional time on the weekend, since we run an evening schedule there, too. I guess for me, HotAC and CHR CAN be similar, but the real difference is spins. If you look at the Canadian HotAC and Canadian CHR charts, they're quite similar in the songs played. The real difference comes from how many times you hear a song. Yes, I agree the spin count is a major factor differentiating Hot AC from CHR. And if all of these songs test well on your station, more power to you. I think there is a fundamental difference between the U.S. Hot AC format and the Canadian Hot AC format. In the U.S., I think there are a lot of stations that think like me and are very careful not to add songs that can cause problems, i.e. harder edged hip-hop. It's so much slanted to the other side here that there probably are about 40 to 50 stations on the Hot AC panel that will not even play Rihanna unless she's paired with another Hot AC core artist like Maroon 5. Now, I have always be an advocate of adding CHR crossovers to a typical Hot AC playlist, and more stations in the U.S. are doing that. I think Beyonce, Lady GaGa, Kevin Rudolf and even certain Kanye West songs sound great on the format and help these stations sound more like a true Adult Top 40 station. And fortunately more stations are playing them. WTMX in Chicago I believe plays the perfect balance of rhythmic and Hot AC music without overplaying songs like CHR's do. I just think there exists a limit on what should be played, and when rap music starts creeping in, I think the station should be classified as a CHR irregardless of the spins. This is why both factors of music type and spins have to come into play.
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